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Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550 mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low. What do I do now? Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my blood numbers under control? |
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"You don't say what you eat or do." - Here is more information.
I am a vegan Dr John McDougall style (mainly beans, grains, fruits and vegetables; no dairy or eggs), I pay close attention to my diet and do not eat any sweets/desserts. I eat a low fat diet (~10-15% calories from fat) I do however engage in occasional high glycemic index food eating, white potatoes, rice cakes, pretzels (no salt) etc.. I take my vitamins everyday (multivitamin, vitamin C, Flax Omega-3). I work as an engineer in a cubicle and lead a largely sedentary lifestyle. I am a healthy weight (155 lbs, 5'7"). Right now my goal is to try to eat fewer high glycemic foods and eat more vegetables. Also, I hope to exercise more, probably engage in walking. I wonder if anyone has any other creative ideas to lower my high triglycerides? |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:16:56 GMT, Beach Runner > wrote:
> > wrote: >> "You don't say what you eat or do." - Here is more information. >> >> I am a vegan Dr John McDougall style (mainly beans, grains, fruits and >> vegetables; no dairy or eggs), I pay close attention to my diet and do >> not eat any sweets/desserts. I eat a low fat diet (~10-15% calories >> from fat) I do however engage in occasional high glycemic index food >> eating, white potatoes, rice cakes, pretzels (no salt) etc.. I take my >> vitamins everyday (multivitamin, vitamin C, Flax Omega-3). >> >> I work as an engineer in a cubicle and lead a largely sedentary >> lifestyle. I am a healthy weight (155 lbs, 5'7"). >> Bobs >> Right now my goal is to try to eat fewer high glycemic foods and eat >> more vegetables. Also, I hope to exercise more, probably engage in >> walking. >> >> I wonder if anyone has any other creative ideas to lower my high >> triglycerides? If your blood type is O or B your high triglicerides are easily explained - and quite possibly treatable with some diet modifications. If you are A or AB, we'll have to look a little bit more specifically at what foods you are eating that are causing the rise. best wishes, Steve |
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> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my > blood numbers under control? Reduce: - your fruit intake if you eat a lot - use of fruit juice and sweeetened beverages - use of sweeteners - use of flour products - use of processed foods - eat more vegetables - eat less - exercise more Good Luck Steve Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html "The great American thought trap: It is not real unless it can be seen on television or bought in a shopping mall" Steve's Home Page http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ |
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> wrote in message oups.com... > > Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550 > mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low. > > What do I do now? > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my > blood numbers under control? > Fix those numbers man, mine are like yours, and I just had emergency angioplasty and stints about a month ago. And I am only 43! Had 3 put in, and 2 more bad spots, but not bad enough to fix. Have bad CAD. (Coronary artery disease). On beta blockers for pain. Buy my Triglycerides have been about 600, and HDL (good stuff) had been very, very low). A cocktail for problems. Been this way sense I was in my early 20's when I got it taken the first time. Not that high, but to high. And has been high for years, but never was told the meaning of the numbers. I will not go into detail here, but I almost died I think. They got it just in time. 90-95% blocked, 75-85% blocked, and one down the line from that one, 40-50 % blocked. SO dude, do what it takes. And you do not need to take aerobic for exercise, find a good Tai Chi class. After you learn a set, you can do it a few times a day. That's something. Best of luck! |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:32:18 GMT, usual suspect >
wrote: wrote: >> Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550 >> mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low. >> >> What do I do now? >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my >> blood numbers under control? > >For starters, seek professional medical and nutritional advice rather >than turning to crackpots on usenet who share your eating disorder. >Since you wrote with more details, I would urge you to investigate the >other side of the issue (i.e., the opposite of MacDougal's perspective) >regarding fat intake. > Good advice on seeking advice from the pros' but...... Why would you assume advice given would come from crackpots? Some here with similar ailments or who know friends in such situations probably have information received from professionals that they'd be happy to share and suggest he research into and seek info on. >For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels >concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy >and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a >variety of disorders including elevation of triglycerides as well as >neurological issues. Nerve cells (including your brain) require lipids >to function properly. > Good advice. The body does require saturated fats - it's only in excess amounts is it very damaging. Monosaturated fats are vital in maintaining a healthy heart by lowering LDL cholesterol and boosting HDL levels. As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily] low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts. >Second, exercise is remarkably more beneficial in weight maintenance and >creating sound health than simply adopting a peculiar (and the MacDougal >plan IS peculiar) diet. Take up a variety of activities. True--- Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person. > >Third, I don't understand your "goal" with respect to glycemic issues. >Are you diabetic or do you have a metabolic disorder? If you don't have >such an underlying issue, you should reconsider such restrictions on >your intake. Eat sensibly. That means consuming adequate amounts of all >the macronutrients (fats, protein, and carbohydrates). Particularly eat high amounts of protein regarding G.I issues. Don't overdo the carbs AT ALL! Great non-meat/fish sources of protein are Tofu, cauliflower, soybean, walnuts, pine nuts, kale, bulgor. If you like potatoes, opt for sweet potatoes and red potatoes which have a lower G.I than white ones. Figure out, based on your sex/activity, your minimum healthy daily calorie intake requirements and from there your minimal protein intake and a lower proportion of Carb intake. > >Finally, I would urge you to seek professional guidance about eating >disorders. Restrictive diets should be only for people who have >legitimate health issues which demand restrictions. Otherwise-healthy >people shouldn't place burdens on themselves, lest they end up with new >issues like you now have. Agreed on eating as you see fit, but nutrition information is the key. What meat-eaters may perceive as restrictive in a general sense, is [in my case anyway] not a pertinent issue regarding being only used for 'legitimate health issues'. Leaving out from my diet meat, fish, eggs, [lacto-vegetarian by definition I suppose] and getting all the proper nutrition intake that IS abundantly available from other sources is just my personal option for being healthy along with remaining constantly active. The perception that those on such diets are weak, emaciated and light-headed is quite false. Once again it comes down to meeting your proper minimal calorie intake/balance and making sure your micronutrients needs are met. I'd think anyone should be restrictive in avoiding trans-fats and hydrogenated oils regardless of whatever source it comes from. > >Veganism IS such a restrictive diet, and so are these fad restrictive >diets like MacDougal's (which restricts fats) and carb-restrictive diets >which focus on carbs or glycemic index. Though you may choose to remain >vegan, you will have higher hurdles to jump in terms of getting >appropriate nutrition. That includes your choice of supplements (i.e., >flax capsules which contain both omega-6 and omega-3; you need the >latter, NOT the former). > >You would do well now that you have red flags to consider all your >options and make sounder decisions than you have. Agreed. It's all a learning process. Even with dissenting views in this newsgroup there is much valid information to peruse through and appreciate. Another good red flag is making sure you don't have too much of a good thing. Keep in mind dangerous toxicity issues if you excessively overdo your intake of several micronutrients [ minerals and vitamins]. Some research you may want to look into and seek advice on regards MCT - Medium Chain Triglycerides. wrote: >> Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550 >> mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low. Some useful sites you may like; http://www.dietitian.com/vegetari.html http://www.glycemicindex.com/ http://www.youngagain.com/noname62.html ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Joe wrote:
>>>Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550 >>>mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low. >>> >>>What do I do now? >>> >>>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my >>>blood numbers under control? >> >>For starters, seek professional medical and nutritional advice rather >>than turning to crackpots on usenet who share your eating disorder. >>Since you wrote with more details, I would urge you to investigate the >>other side of the issue (i.e., the opposite of MacDougal's perspective) >>regarding fat intake. > > Good advice on seeking advice from the pros' but...... > Why would you assume advice given would come from crackpots? How would YOU distinguish between a crackpot foot-masseuse like Lesley and someone who gives sound advice? > Some here with similar ailments or who know friends in such situations > probably have information received from professionals that they'd be > happy to share and suggest he research into and seek info on. Lesley claims to have healed her sister's brain injury by rubbing her feet, to have protected her cats from viruses by use of a device called a Zapper, and so on. She is one example of the kooks masquerading as "experts" on USENET. Others here will recommend veganism even if it causes more problems than it solves for any particular individual. Clearly, the original poster has an issue which requires professional advice and treatment. He doesn't need armchair vegan "nutritionists" advising him and potentially ****ing up his problems even more than they already are. >>For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels >>concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy >>and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a >>variety of disorders including elevation of triglycerides as well as >>neurological issues. Nerve cells (including your brain) require lipids >>to function properly. > > Good advice. The body does require saturated fats - it's only in > excess amounts is it very damaging. Anything in excess is potentially damaging. That includes ignorance, and you have more than your fair share of it. The diet should contain less than 10% of total daily calories. In a 2000-calorie per day plan, that would mean no more than 20 grams of saturated fat. > Monosaturated Mono*UN*saturated, you ****ing imbecile. Mono**UN**saturated. You're the goddam epitome of the problem with seeking advice over USENET. > fats are vital in > maintaining a healthy heart by lowering LDL cholesterol and boosting > HDL levels. You have the cart before the horse: monoUNsaturated fats elevate HDL and that works to (marginally) decrease LDL. > As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on > keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily] > low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts. Again, you're a ****ing clueless idiot. Mono*UN*saturated fats also contain omega-6 FAs (and, with the exception of canola, little or no omega-3). Polyunsaturated oils also don't contain much (if any) omega-3 FAs. More importantly, it's next to impossible to balance omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids into a favorable ratio without consuming some meat (fish, grass-fed beef, wild game, etc.) or fish oil supplements. Vegetarian sources of omega-3 also tend to have a high ratio of omega-6 and have no long-chained FAs (either omega-3 or -6). http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/esstable.html >>Second, exercise is remarkably more beneficial in weight maintenance and >>creating sound health than simply adopting a peculiar (and the MacDougal >>plan IS peculiar) diet. Take up a variety of activities. > > True--- Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of > proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better > longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person. What a ****. Malnourished skinny people don't fare *ANY* better than anyone else. >>Third, I don't understand your "goal" with respect to glycemic issues. >>Are you diabetic or do you have a metabolic disorder? If you don't have >>such an underlying issue, you should reconsider such restrictions on >>your intake. Eat sensibly. That means consuming adequate amounts of all >>the macronutrients (fats, protein, and carbohydrates). > > Particularly eat high amounts of protein regarding G.I issues. Don't > overdo the carbs AT ALL! That's why the OP finds himself in trouble now, you ****ing moron. You don't correct extremes with other extremes -- that only makes things worse. He needs *moderation* in his life and diet. That's why he should NOT seek advice from vegans on usenet. ****. <...> >>Finally, I would urge you to seek professional guidance about eating >>disorders. Restrictive diets should be only for people who have >>legitimate health issues which demand restrictions. Otherwise-healthy >>people shouldn't place burdens on themselves, lest they end up with new >>issues like you now have. > > Agreed on eating as you see fit, Then shut the **** up and stop dispensing advice based on personal philosophy rather than science. >>Veganism IS such a restrictive diet, and so are these fad restrictive >>diets like MacDougal's (which restricts fats) and carb-restrictive diets >>which focus on carbs or glycemic index. Though you may choose to remain >>vegan, you will have higher hurdles to jump in terms of getting >>appropriate nutrition. That includes your choice of supplements (i.e., >>flax capsules which contain both omega-6 and omega-3; you need the >>latter, NOT the former). >> >>You would do well now that you have red flags to consider all your >>options and make sounder decisions than you have. > > Agreed. The shut the **** up and stop dispensing vegan pseudoscience. The OP needs help, not another vegan nitwit telling him to research MCTs. You are exactly the kind of usenet twit he should avoid. |
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usual suspect corrected:
<...> >> Good advice. The body does require saturated fats - it's only in >> excess amounts is it very damaging. > > Anything in excess is potentially damaging. That includes ignorance, and > you have more than your fair share of it. The diet should contain less > than 10% of total daily calories in the form of saturated fats. > In a 2000-calorie per day plan, that > would mean no more than 20 grams of saturated fat. <...> |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:52:31 GMT, usual suspect >
wrote: >usual suspect corrected: I'm surprised you didn't call yourself an 'f'ing poofda imbecile' when you corrected yourself. Most of your ranting is laughable to me at best, and makes you seem like the veritable crackpot whose comments one should be wary of. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:47:18 GMT, usual suspect >
wrote: > >Lesley claims to have healed her sister's brain injury by rubbing her >feet, to have protected her cats from viruses by use of a device called >a Zapper, and so on. Hopefully something miraculous will heal your brain injury that makes get into rabid hysterics .. >>>For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels >>>concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy >>>and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a Telling me something I know already, if you read what I said. >Anything in excess is potentially damaging. Dopey generalised statement - of course. > >> Monosaturated > >Mono*UN*saturated, you ****ing imbecile. Mono**UN**saturated. You're the >goddam epitome of the problem with seeking advice over USENET. Spelling error which you do infrequently. Imagine blowing a gasket over that. Please don't be a judge at a Spelling B. > >You have the cart before the horse: monoUNsaturated fats elevate HDL and >that works to (marginally) decrease LDL. Sweet Lord.... hyped over that! > >> As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on >> keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily] >> low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts. > >Polyunsaturated oils also don't contain much (if any) omega-3 FAs. Are you nuts?! > >More importantly, it's next to impossible to balance omega-3 and omega-6 >fatty acids into a favorable ratio without consuming some meat (fish, >grass-fed beef, wild game, etc.) or fish oil supplements. You are nuts. Keep track of amounts of intakes of Omega 6 and Omega 3 and you'll know you can do it. But you never like to say 'never say never'. > >>> Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of >> proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better >> longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person. > >What a ****. Malnourished skinny people don't fare *ANY* better than >anyone else. You got pretty riled up there-more than usual- are you hinting you are inactive and obese. > >>> Don't >> overdo the carbs AT ALL! > >That's why the OP finds himself in trouble now, you ****ing moron. You >don't correct extremes with other extremes -- that only makes things >worse. He needs *moderation* in his life and diet. That's why he should >NOT seek advice from vegans on usenet. ****. Well "Mr.All Sudies and no practicality" I have a couple of friends with G.I issues and IF you think not overdoing Carbs is of no concern then you are a crackpot on crack. > > >Then shut the **** up and stop dispensing advice based on personal >philosophy rather than science. Actually your consistent ranting probably puts many people off much of what you 'claim'. Take assistance when you get it. > > >The shut the **** up and stop dispensing vegan pseudoscience. The OP >needs help, not another vegan nitwit telling him to research MCTs. I'm vegetarian you presumptive monkey; where did I say I was a vegan? >are exactly the kind of usenet twit he should avoid. I have a feeling many people avoid you for a number of unflattering reasons. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Joe wrote:
>>usual suspect corrected: > > I'm surprised Only because you're ****ing clueless. |
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usual suspect wrote: > Joe wrote: > >>> usual suspect corrected: >> >> >> I'm surprised > > > Only because you're ****ing clueless. That's typical of you nasty personality. He came seeking honest advice. I explained carbs get converted to fats, there are genetic components and exercise. He should also consult you his medical professional. Your statement is just plain mean and provides no information. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
>>> I'm surprised >> >> Only because you're ****ing clueless. > > That's typical of you nasty personality. He came seeking honest advice. Did you read what Joe wrote and to what I replied, dumb ass? Go back through the thread and see if what I wrote isn't appropriate. Moron. > I explained carbs get converted to fats, there are genetic components > and exercise. He should also consult you his medical professional. That was in response to JOE, not to the original poster (Miguel?). > Your statement is just plain mean and provides no information. Go **** yourself, you drug-addled pansy. I corrected a point I'd made and Joe replied, "I'm surprised you didn't call yourself an 'f'ing poofda imbecile' when you corrected yourself." Why are you so goddam dense? |
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usual suspect wrote: > Beach Runner wrote: > >>>> I'm surprised >>> >>> >>> Only because you're ****ing clueless. >> >> >> That's typical of you nasty personality. He came seeking honest advice. > > > Did you read what Joe wrote and to what I replied, dumb ass? Go back > through the thread and see if what I wrote isn't appropriate. Moron. > >> I explained carbs get converted to fats, there are genetic components >> and exercise. He should also consult you his medical professional. > > > That was in response to JOE, not to the original poster (Miguel?). > >> Your statement is just plain mean and provides no information. > > > Go **** yourself, you drug-addled pansy. I corrected a point I'd made > and Joe replied, "I'm surprised you didn't call yourself an 'f'ing > poofda imbecile' when you corrected yourself." Why are you so goddam dense? The information I gave was correct. I'm not taking any meds that I needed after a car accident. And I'd never be so nasty as you. |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:15:21 GMT, Beach Runner > wrote:
> > >The information I gave was correct. I'm not taking any meds that I >needed after a car accident. And I'd never be so nasty as you. Could anyone be as nasty as this baffoon. Suspect is destined to live a lonely, miserable, whiney life which will be pretty sad once he hits senior age. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:47:18 GMT, usual suspect >
wrote: > >Lesley claims to have healed her sister's brain injury by rubbing her >feet, to have protected her cats from viruses by use of a device called >a Zapper, and so on. Hopefully something miraculous will heal your brain injury that makes get into rabid hysterics .. >>>For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels >>>concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy >>>and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a Telling me something I know already, if you read what I said. >Anything in excess is potentially damaging. Dopey generalised statement - of course. > >> Monosaturated > >Mono*UN*saturated, you ****ing imbecile. Mono**UN**saturated. You're the >goddam epitome of the problem with seeking advice over USENET. Spelling error which you do infrequently. Imagine blowing a gasket over that. Please don't be a judge at a Spelling B. > >You have the cart before the horse: monoUNsaturated fats elevate HDL and >that works to (marginally) decrease LDL. Sweet Lord.... hyped over that! > >> As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on >> keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily] >> low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts. > >Polyunsaturated oils also don't contain much (if any) omega-3 FAs. Are you nuts?! > >More importantly, it's next to impossible to balance omega-3 and omega-6 >fatty acids into a favorable ratio without consuming some meat (fish, >grass-fed beef, wild game, etc.) or fish oil supplements. You are nuts. Keep track of amounts of intakes of Omega 6 and Omega 3 and you'll know you can do it. But you never like to say 'never say never'. > >>> Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of >> proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better >> longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person. > >What a ****. Malnourished skinny people don't fare *ANY* better than >anyone else. You got pretty riled up there-more than usual- are you hinting you are inactive and obese. > >>> Don't >> overdo the carbs AT ALL! > >That's why the OP finds himself in trouble now, you ****ing moron. You >don't correct extremes with other extremes -- that only makes things >worse. He needs *moderation* in his life and diet. That's why he should >NOT seek advice from vegans on usenet. ****. Well "Mr.All Sudies and no practicality" I have a couple of friends with G.I issues and IF you think not overdoing Carbs is of no concern then you are a crackpot on crack. > > >Then shut the **** up and stop dispensing advice based on personal >philosophy rather than science. Actually your consistent ranting probably puts many people off much of what you 'claim'. Take assistance when you get it. > > >The shut the **** up and stop dispensing vegan pseudoscience. The OP >needs help, not another vegan nitwit telling him to research MCTs. I'm vegetarian you presumptive monkey; where did I say I was a vegan? >are exactly the kind of usenet twit he should avoid. I have a feeling many people avoid you for a number of unflattering reasons. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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