Today: Bean soup! Experiment while you may. Bean soup is a very
versatile dish (as most soups are).

T.

12 ounces black-eyed peas (about 2 cups)
2 medium potatoes, peeled and diced
3 stalks celery, sliced
2 carrots, sliced
3 Tbs. tamari soy sauce
1 medium onion, chopped
2 cloves garlic, diced
1/4 teaspoon pepper
1 tsp. basil
1 tsp. dried dill weed

Rinse black-eyed peas well. Place in a large pot and cover with water
by 1 inch. Soak overnight.

Drain off soaking water. To pot of drained peas, add 7 cups of water
and rest of ingredients above. Bring to a boil 2 minutes. Reduce heat
to medium-low. Simmer 1 to 2 hours or until beans are tender. Stir
occasionally, mashing beans and potatoes against sides of the pot to
thicken soup.

Yield: 10 bowls (1 1/2 cups each)
Preparation Time: 10 minutes
Cooking Time: 1 1/4-2 1/4 hours

I have been experimenting with Bean Soup too. I juice veggies quite a
bit and add the pulp to my soup stock. I like adding canned beans
(black, black-eyed) and sometimes garbanzo beans. I have not tried
adding tofu yet. Miso soup-mix packets are a great addition. Chili
powder, cumin, and cayenne pepper makes a different tasting soup and
not too bad either! I also recommend making extra an using a juicer or
blender for making a bean-salsa. This makes a great snackfood.

Tough question: Is there anything that can be added to the
soaking-water that will have a taste-effect (a good one mind you)?

Bueno!

buzzgun wrote:

> I have been experimenting with Bean Soup too. I juice veggies quite
> a
> bit and add the pulp to my soup stock.

You mean the leftovers from the juicing? That's a good idea. I always
throw it away, which is a waste.

> I like adding canned beans
> (black, black-eyed) and sometimes garbanzo beans. I have not tried
> adding tofu yet.

Me neither, I'm just the messenger :-)

> Tough question: Is there anything that can be added to the
> soaking-water that will have a taste-effect (a good one mind you)?

I have no idea. I don't think it would work - those beans are raw,
aren't they?

T.

"Taemon" > wrote in message
...
> Today: Bean soup! Experiment while you may. Bean soup is a very
> versatile dish (as most soups are).
>
> T.
>
> 12 ounces black-eyed peas (about 2 cups)
> 2 medium potatoes, peeled and diced
> 3 stalks celery, sliced
> 2 carrots, sliced
> 3 Tbs. tamari soy sauce
> 1 medium onion, chopped
> 2 cloves garlic, diced
> 1/4 teaspoon pepper
> 1 tsp. basil
> 1 tsp. dried dill weed
>
> Rinse black-eyed peas well. Place in a large pot and cover with water
> by 1 inch. Soak overnight.
>
> Drain off soaking water. To pot of drained peas, add 7 cups of water
> and rest of ingredients above. Bring to a boil 2 minutes. Reduce heat
> to medium-low. Simmer 1 to 2 hours or until beans are tender. Stir
> occasionally, mashing beans and potatoes against sides of the pot to
> thicken soup.
>
> Yield: 10 bowls (1 1/2 cups each)
> Preparation Time: 10 minutes
> Cooking Time: 1 1/4-2 1/4 hours

Do remember that if using red kidney beans, they can be poisonous if not
cooked for long enough. I always use canned. As far as I know, all other
benas are Ok. If using canned beans, add very late on as too much cooking
makes the skins tough.

Deb


>
>
>

Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but red kidney
beans contain the highest concentrations of Phytohaemagglutnin, which
causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a trypsin inhibitor
which
prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the established
guildlines,
cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.

http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses

"Dave" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
> red kidney
> beans contain the highest concentrations of Phytohaemagglutnin,
> which
> causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a trypsin
> inhibitor
> which
> prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> established
> guildlines,
> cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
===============================
LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
thanks....



>
> http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
> http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
>

rick wrote:
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
> > red kidney
> > beans contain the highest concentrations of Phytohaemagglutnin,
> > which
> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a trypsin
> > inhibitor
> > which
> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> > established
> > guildlines,
> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> ===============================
> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> thanks....

(a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore" line
of argument and had already said as much.
(b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?


> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
> >

They are raw, dried beans. I have a follow-up question. When you cook
beans awhile and come back, there is a skin on the top. Is this worth
keeping? It is a little gross when wet, but has a pretty good smell
when rather dry (I left the stovetop on while going to class this week
and came back to a very large amount of this skin). Would you re-heat
and dissolve it? Add it to a little burrito? lol thanks

Buzz.

"Dave" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> rick wrote:
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
>> > red kidney
>> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>> > which
>> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>> > trypsin
>> > inhibitor
>> > which
>> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
>> > established
>> > guildlines,
>> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>> ===============================
>> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
>> thanks....
>
> (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore" line
> of argument and had already said as much.
> (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
============================
That you can't eat plants without cooking them...


>
>
>> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
>> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
>> >
>

rick wrote:
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
> >> > red kidney
> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >> > which
> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >> > trypsin
> >> > inhibitor
> >> > which
> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> >> > established
> >> > guildlines,
> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >> ===============================
> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >> thanks....
> >
> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore" line
> > of argument and had already said as much.
> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> ============================
> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...

We can eat plants without cooking them or processing them in any way,
just not those particular types of plants.

> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
> >> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
> >> >
> >

"Dave" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> rick wrote:
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > rick wrote:
>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly
>> >> > but
>> >> > red kidney
>> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>> >> > which
>> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>> >> > trypsin
>> >> > inhibitor
>> >> > which
>> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
>> >> > established
>> >> > guildlines,
>> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>> >> ===============================
>> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
>> >> thanks....
>> >
>> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
>> > line
>> > of argument and had already said as much.
>> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>> ============================
>> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>
> We can eat plants without cooking them or processing them in
> any way,
> just not those particular types of plants.
=================================
And, there are far more plants that are poisonous/non-nutritious
to us than there are poisonous/non-nutrious meats. Sounds to me
like we weren't meant to eat only plants...

When you have go through an intensive processing just to make it
edible, how many more animals are you willing to kill for that
processing. Thanks for the example of how vegan are
hypocritically selective about foods. they claim all meats are
bad, and then will kill willy-nilly for products that they make
look/taste like meat.




>
>> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
>> >> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
>> >> >
>> >
>

"rick" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
> >> > red kidney
> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >> > which
> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >> > trypsin
> >> > inhibitor
> >> > which
> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> >> > established
> >> > guildlines,
> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >> ===============================
> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >> thanks....
> >
> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore" line
> > of argument and had already said as much.
> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> ============================
> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...

Rick, you should know by now that
beans, grains and some other seeds
can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
of course many fruits and vegetables
and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

> >
> >
> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
> >> >
http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
> >> >
> >
>
>

rick wrote:
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > rick wrote:
> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > red kidney
> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >> >> > trypsin
> >> >> > inhibitor
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> >> >> > established
> >> >> > guildlines,
> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >> >> ===============================
> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >> >> thanks....
> >> >
> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
> >> > line
> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >> ============================
> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >
> > We can eat plants without cooking them or processing them in
> > any way,
> > just not those particular types of plants.
> =================================
> And, there are far more plants that are poisonous/non-nutritious
> to us than there are poisonous/non-nutrious meats. Sounds to me
> like we weren't meant to eat only plants...

I have no intention of defending the theory that we are biologically
designed to be herbivores. I don't buy into it either.
>
> When you have go through an intensive processing just to make it
> edible,

Soaking and cooking is hardly intensive processing. You have to cook
meat to make it edible anyway.

> how many more animals are you willing to kill for that
> processing. Thanks for the example of how vegan are
> hypocritically selective about foods. they claim all meats are
> bad, and then will kill willy-nilly for products that they make
> look/taste like meat.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
> >> >> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >

"Dave" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> rick wrote:
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > rick wrote:
>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > rick wrote:
>> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> >> oups.com...
>> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
>> >> >> > properly
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > red kidney
>> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>> >> >> > trypsin
>> >> >> > inhibitor
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > established
>> >> >> > guildlines,
>> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>> >> >> ===============================
>> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a
>> >> >> herbavore,
>> >> >> thanks....
>> >> >
>> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
>> >> > line
>> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
>> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>> >> ============================
>> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>> >
>> > We can eat plants without cooking them or processing them in
>> > any way,
>> > just not those particular types of plants.
>> =================================
>> And, there are far more plants that are
>> poisonous/non-nutritious
>> to us than there are poisonous/non-nutrious meats. Sounds to
>> me
>> like we weren't meant to eat only plants...
>
> I have no intention of defending the theory that we are
> biologically
> designed to be herbivores. I don't buy into it either.
>>
>> When you have go through an intensive processing just to make
>> it
>> edible,
>
> Soaking and cooking is hardly intensive processing. You have to
> cook
> meat to make it edible anyway.
==========================
No, you don't. Try looking into soy processing, turning crap
into fake meat crap....


>
>> how many more animals are you willing to kill for that
>> processing. Thanks for the example of how vegan are
>> hypocritically selective about foods. they claim all meats
>> are
>> bad, and then will kill willy-nilly for products that they
>> make
>> look/taste like meat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
>> >> >> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
> "rick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > rick wrote:
>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly
>> >> > but
>> >> > red kidney
>> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>> >> > which
>> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>> >> > trypsin
>> >> > inhibitor
>> >> > which
>> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
>> >> > established
>> >> > guildlines,
>> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>> >> ===============================
>> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
>> >> thanks....
>> >
>> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
>> > line
>> > of argument and had already said as much.
>> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>> ============================
>> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>
> Rick, you should know by now that
> beans, grains and some other seeds
> can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
> of course many fruits and vegetables
> and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
======================
And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many many
more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
meat that isn't.....



>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
>
>> >
>> >
>> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
>> >> >
> http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
>> >> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

rick wrote:
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > rick wrote:
> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > rick wrote:
> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > rick wrote:
> >> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
> >> >> >> > properly
> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> > red kidney
> >> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >> >> >> > which
> >> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >> >> >> > trypsin
> >> >> >> > inhibitor
> >> >> >> > which
> >> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > established
> >> >> >> > guildlines,
> >> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >> >> >> ===============================
> >> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a
> >> >> >> herbavore,
> >> >> >> thanks....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
> >> >> > line
> >> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
> >> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >> >> ============================
> >> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >> >
> >> > We can eat plants without cooking them or processing them in
> >> > any way,
> >> > just not those particular types of plants.
> >> =================================
> >> And, there are far more plants that are
> >> poisonous/non-nutritious
> >> to us than there are poisonous/non-nutrious meats. Sounds to
> >> me
> >> like we weren't meant to eat only plants...
> >
> > I have no intention of defending the theory that we are
> > biologically
> > designed to be herbivores. I don't buy into it either.
> >>
> >> When you have go through an intensive processing just to make
> >> it
> >> edible,
> >
> > Soaking and cooking is hardly intensive processing. You have to
> > cook
> > meat to make it edible anyway.
> ==========================
> No, you don't.

Ever tried chewing raw meat?

> Try looking into soy processing, turning crap
> into fake meat crap....

soy milk is made by soaking, grinding, boiling and straining soybeans.
This can be made into tofu by coagulating soy milk and pressing the
resultant curds; a similar process to making cheese from milk.

Tempeh is made by fermenting soybeans for approximately 24 hours at
around 30C with the fungus rhizopus oligosporus. The soybeans are
first softened and then cracked or pulped and partly cooked.

Textured vegetable protein is made from defatted soya flour which
is a byproduct of making soybean oil. To me this sounds rather like
the cattle feed you describe as a 'waste' product!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

I don't consider any of these products to be "meat analogues" although
they are sometimes promoted as such.

> >> how many more animals are you willing to kill for that
> >> processing. Thanks for the example of how vegan are
> >> hypocritically selective about foods. they claim all meats
> >> are
> >> bad, and then will kill willy-nilly for products that they
> >> make
> >> look/taste like meat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
> >> >> >> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >

"rick" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "rick" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >>
> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > rick wrote:
> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > red kidney
> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >> >> > trypsin
> >> >> > inhibitor
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> >> >> > established
> >> >> > guildlines,
> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >> >> ===============================
> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >> >> thanks....
> >> >
> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
> >> > line
> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >> ============================
> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >
> > Rick, you should know by now that
> > beans, grains and some other seeds
> > can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
> > of course many fruits and vegetables
> > and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
> ======================
> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
> many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many many
> more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
> meat that isn't.....

Blowfish. As far as plants go, if you don't
know which ones in our society that are
edible, then I guess you'll never know.
The point is that the edible ones are
indeed edible raw. Do you eat your
meat raw? It sounds like you should be
hanging out in those Paleo-diet groups.
But watch out for raw ground beef. It
can kill you too.


--
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http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Dave wrote:
<..>
> Soaking and cooking is hardly intensive processing.

Drying them in the first place, then soaking and cooking, are all
intensive processes.

> You have to cook
> meat to make it edible anyway.

No, you don't. Sashimi, carpaccio, and tartar are edible forms of food
(meat) presentation that involve raw meat.

Dave wrote:
<...>
> Ever tried chewing raw meat?

Yes. Raw meat dishes don't require chewing. True, sashimi and carpaccio
are thinly sliced -- but many raw vegetables are also sliced to make
eating them easier or more convenient. True, tartar is ground up -- but
so are various vegetarian dishes. The amount of processing in carpaccio,
sashimi, and tartar is nothing compared to making seitan or tofu.

<...>

Skanky wrote:
<...>
>>>Rick, you should know by now that
>>>beans, grains and some other seeds
>>>can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>>>of course many fruits and vegetables
>>>and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>>
>>======================
>>And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>>many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many many
>>more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
>>meat that isn't.....
>
> Blowfish.

Guess again, dummy. Fugu contains nutrients, and is safe when processed
properly.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Skanky wrote:
> <...>
>>>>Rick, you should know by now that
>>>>beans, grains and some other seeds
>>>>can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>>>>of course many fruits and vegetables
>>>>and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>>>
>>>======================
>>>And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>>>many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many many
>>>more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
>>>meat that isn't.....
>>
>> Blowfish.
>
> Guess again, dummy. Fugu contains nutrients, and is safe when processed
> properly.

"When processed properly" is *very* key here. Not just anybody can prepare
fugu, you have to be specially trained and licensed to do so.

To be fair in these comparisions I think you have to consider that many
animals are dangerous to hunt: boars, snakes, bears, large cats, charging
rumnants, some fish, and many now extinct species to name a few. Plants
cannot hunt, charge, maul, bite, or tear flesh.

Animals can also become toxic if they consume toxic foods or if they become
ill. This is not a problem with plants since they are at the bottom of the
food chain.

"Poisonous" plants is much too vague a term. There are many plants that will
make a person sick but only a few that can actually kill. It is just as
possible for a person to learn which plants are toxic, or how eliminate
toxins in plants, as it is to be trained to prepare fugu.

"rick" > wrote in message
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>
> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "rick" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>>
>>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> >
>>> > rick wrote:
>>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>>> >> oups.com...
>>> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
>>> >> > red kidney
>>> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>>> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>>> >> > which
>>> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>>> >> > trypsin
>>> >> > inhibitor
>>> >> > which
>>> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
>>> >> > established
>>> >> > guildlines,
>>> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>>> >> ===============================
>>> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
>>> >> thanks....
>>> >
>>> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore" line
>>> > of argument and had already said as much.
>>> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>>> ============================
>>> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>>
>> Rick, you should know by now that
>> beans, grains and some other seeds
>> can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>> of course many fruits and vegetables
>> and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
> ======================
> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are many plants
> that are outright poisonous for people, and many many more that contain no
> nutrients for human consumption. Name a meat that isn't.....

How about if you name a couple of the "many, many plants that contain no
nutrients for human consumption". Make sure they are not contained in the
set that "are outright poisonous for people". Shouldn't be too difficult if
there are so many of them...

"Dave" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>

snippage...

>> > I have no intention of defending the theory that we are
>> > biologically
>> > designed to be herbivores. I don't buy into it either.
>> >>
>> >> When you have go through an intensive processing just to
>> >> make
>> >> it
>> >> edible,
>> >
>> > Soaking and cooking is hardly intensive processing. You have
>> > to
>> > cook
>> > meat to make it edible anyway.
>> ==========================
>> No, you don't.
>
> Ever tried chewing raw meat?
=======================
Sure, less hard than carrots and far less stringy than celery.


>
>> Try looking into soy processing, turning crap
>> into fake meat crap....
>
> soy milk is made by soaking, grinding, boiling and straining
> soybeans.
> This can be made into tofu by coagulating soy milk and pressing
> the
> resultant curds; a similar process to making cheese from milk.
>
> Tempeh is made by fermenting soybeans for approximately 24
> hours at
> around 30C with the fungus rhizopus oligosporus. The soybeans
> are
> first softened and then cracked or pulped and partly cooked.
>
> Textured vegetable protein is made from defatted soya flour
> which
> is a byproduct of making soybean oil. To me this sounds rather
> like
> the cattle feed you describe as a 'waste' product!
=======================
Now, try looking up the real process using chemicals for mass
production oils....



>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> I don't consider any of these products to be "meat analogues"
> although
> they are sometimes promoted as such.
>
>> >> how many more animals are you willing to kill for that
>> >> processing. Thanks for the example of how vegan are
>> >> hypocritically selective about foods. they claim all meats
>> >> are
>> >> bad, and then will kill willy-nilly for products that they
>> >> make
>> >> look/taste like meat.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> > http://www.foodreference.com/html/ar...poisoning.html
>> >> >> >> > http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydie...dpulses/pulses
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
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> "rick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "rick" > wrote in message
>> > ink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > rick wrote:
>> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> >> oups.com...
>> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
>> >> >> > properly
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > red kidney
>> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>> >> >> > trypsin
>> >> >> > inhibitor
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > established
>> >> >> > guildlines,
>> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>> >> >> ===============================
>> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a
>> >> >> herbavore,
>> >> >> thanks....
>> >> >
>> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
>> >> > line
>> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
>> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>> >> ============================
>> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>> >
>> > Rick, you should know by now that
>> > beans, grains and some other seeds
>> > can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>> > of course many fruits and vegetables
>> > and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>> ======================
>> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>> many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many
>> many
>> more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
>> meat that isn't.....
>
> Blowfish.
=======================
Nope. Not all the flesh is poisonous....




As far as plants go, if you don't
> know which ones in our society that are
> edible, then I guess you'll never know.
> The point is that the edible ones are
> indeed edible raw. Do you eat your
> meat raw? It sounds like you should be
> hanging out in those Paleo-diet groups.
> But watch out for raw ground beef. It
> can kill you too.
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
>
>

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "rick" > wrote in message
>>> ink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > rick wrote:
>>>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>>>> >> oups.com...
>>>> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
>>>> >> > properly but
>>>> >> > red kidney
>>>> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>>>> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>>>> >> > which
>>>> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>>>> >> > trypsin
>>>> >> > inhibitor
>>>> >> > which
>>>> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > established
>>>> >> > guildlines,
>>>> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>>>> >> ===============================
>>>> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
>>>> >> thanks....
>>>> >
>>>> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
>>>> > line
>>>> > of argument and had already said as much.
>>>> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>>>> ============================
>>>> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>>>
>>> Rick, you should know by now that
>>> beans, grains and some other seeds
>>> can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>>> of course many fruits and vegetables
>>> and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>> ======================
>> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>> many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many
>> many more that contain no nutrients for human consumption.
>> Name a meat that isn't.....
>
> How about if you name a couple of the "many, many plants that
> contain no nutrients for human consumption". Make sure they are
> not contained in the set that "are outright poisonous for
> people". Shouldn't be too difficult if there are so many of
> them...
==========================
grass, fool....
and yet a real herbavore, cows, can easily convert that to
edible, tasty, healthy foods for people.


>
>

usual suspect wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> <...>
> > Ever tried chewing raw meat?
>
> Yes. Raw meat dishes don't require chewing. True, sashimi and carpaccio
> are thinly sliced -- but many raw vegetables are also sliced to make
> eating them easier or more convenient. True, tartar is ground up -- but
> so are various vegetarian dishes. The amount of processing in carpaccio,
> sashimi, and tartar is nothing compared to making seitan or tofu.
>
> <...>
I stand corrected.

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> > "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "rick" > wrote in message
> >> ink.net...
> >>>
> >>> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >>> oups.com...
> >>> >
> >>> > rick wrote:
> >>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >>> >> oups.com...
> >>> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked properly but
> >>> >> > red kidney
> >>> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >>> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >>> >> > which
> >>> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >>> >> > trypsin
> >>> >> > inhibitor
> >>> >> > which
> >>> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow the
> >>> >> > established
> >>> >> > guildlines,
> >>> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >>> >> ===============================
> >>> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >>> >> thanks....
> >>> >
> >>> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore" line
> >>> > of argument and had already said as much.
> >>> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >>> ============================
> >>> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >>
> >> Rick, you should know by now that
> >> beans, grains and some other seeds
> >> can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
> >> of course many fruits and vegetables
> >> and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
> > ======================
> > And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are many
plants
> > that are outright poisonous for people, and many many more that contain
no
> > nutrients for human consumption. Name a meat that isn't.....
>
> How about if you name a couple of the "many, many plants that contain no
> nutrients for human consumption". Make sure they are not contained in the
> set that "are outright poisonous for people". Shouldn't be too difficult
if
> there are so many of them...

The hobby botanist in me is
looking forward to this.


--
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C. James Strutz wrote:
>><...>
>>
>>>>>Rick, you should know by now that
>>>>>beans, grains and some other seeds
>>>>>can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>>>>>of course many fruits and vegetables
>>>>>and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>>>>
>>>>======================
>>>>And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>>>>many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many many
>>>>more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
>>>>meat that isn't.....
>>>
>>>Blowfish.
>>
>>Guess again, dummy. Fugu contains nutrients, and is safe when processed
>>properly.
>
>
> "When processed properly" is *very* key here. Not just anybody can prepare
> fugu, you have to be specially trained and licensed to do so.

Skanky made a *blanket* statement that fugu is poisonous and/or contains
no nutrients. I specified that it can be safe when properly processed.

> To be fair in these comparisions I think you have to consider that many
> animals are dangerous to hunt: boars, snakes, bears, large cats, charging
> rumnants, some fish, and many now extinct species to name a few.

I think your concern about the danger is overblown.

> Plants cannot hunt, charge, maul, bite, or tear flesh.

Tearing flesh? My legs beg to differ with you after a little incident
with some briar last weekend. And if your definition of hunting includes
using some form of lure to attract prey, what do you consider these
plants to be doing?
http://tinyurl.com/ddu75

> Animals can also become toxic if they consume toxic foods or if they become
> ill. This is not a problem with plants since they are at the bottom of the
> food chain.

Plants grown intentionally or unintentionally in the presence of various
chemicals can be toxic and cause poisoning of humans and other animals.
Crops are routinely deemed unfit for human consumption because of toxic
exposure to banned pesticides, overuse of pesticides, contact with human
excreta, exposure to carcinogenic and other dangerous chemicals, etc.

<...>

"rick" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "rick" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >>
> >> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> "rick" > wrote in message
> >>> ink.net...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >>>> oups.com...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > rick wrote:
> >>>> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >>>> >> oups.com...
> >>>> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
> >>>> >> > properly but
> >>>> >> > red kidney
> >>>> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >>>> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >>>> >> > which
> >>>> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >>>> >> > trypsin
> >>>> >> > inhibitor
> >>>> >> > which
> >>>> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > established
> >>>> >> > guildlines,
> >>>> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >>>> >> ===============================
> >>>> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >>>> >> thanks....
> >>>> >
> >>>> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
> >>>> > line
> >>>> > of argument and had already said as much.
> >>>> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >>>> ============================
> >>>> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >>>
> >>> Rick, you should know by now that
> >>> beans, grains and some other seeds
> >>> can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
> >>> of course many fruits and vegetables
> >>> and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
> >> ======================
> >> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
> >> many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many
> >> many more that contain no nutrients for human consumption.
> >> Name a meat that isn't.....
> >
> > How about if you name a couple of the "many, many plants that
> > contain no nutrients for human consumption". Make sure they are
> > not contained in the set that "are outright poisonous for
> > people". Shouldn't be too difficult if there are so many of
> > them...
> ==========================
> grass, fool....
> and yet a real herbavore, cows, can easily convert that to
> edible, tasty, healthy foods for people.

If I remember correctly, the juice of
all members of the grass family is
edible to humans. To obtain the juice,
a grinder similar to a meat grinder is
used. Many raw foodists drink a bit
of wheat grass juice every day made
from sprouts that are about a week
old.


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"rick" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "rick" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >>
> >> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > "rick" > wrote in message
> >> > ink.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > rick wrote:
> >> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
> >> >> >> > properly
> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> > red kidney
> >> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >> >> >> > which
> >> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >> >> >> > trypsin
> >> >> >> > inhibitor
> >> >> >> > which
> >> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > established
> >> >> >> > guildlines,
> >> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >> >> >> ===============================
> >> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a
> >> >> >> herbavore,
> >> >> >> thanks....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
> >> >> > line
> >> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
> >> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >> >> ============================
> >> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >> >
> >> > Rick, you should know by now that
> >> > beans, grains and some other seeds
> >> > can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
> >> > of course many fruits and vegetables
> >> > and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
> >> ======================
> >> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
> >> many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many
> >> many
> >> more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
> >> meat that isn't.....
> >
> > Blowfish.
> =======================
> Nope. Not all the flesh is poisonous....

It takes training and a license to
prepare it so that it's safe to eat.

> As far as plants go, if you don't
> > know which ones in our society that are
> > edible, then I guess you'll never know.
> > The point is that the edible ones are
> > indeed edible raw. Do you eat your
> > meat raw? It sounds like you should be
> > hanging out in those Paleo-diet groups.
> > But watch out for raw ground beef. It
> > can kill you too.

Let's not forget the ground beef's E.coli.
And other lovely gifts from other dead
livestock, like anthrax and salmonella.


--
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Skanky wrote:
> "rick" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>
>>"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>"rick" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
>>>
>>>>"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>"rick" > wrote in message
arthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dave" > wrote in message
oglegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dave" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:1130243790.628986.101310@g47g2000cwa. googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
>>>>>>>>>properly but
>>>>>>>>>red kidney
>>>>>>>>>beans contain the highest concentrations of
>>>>>>>>>Phytohaemagglutnin,
>>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
>>>>>>>>>trypsin
>>>>>>>>>inhibitor
>>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>established
>>>>>>>>>guildlines,
>>>>>>>>>cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>===============================
>>>>>>>>LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
>>>>>>>>thanks....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
>>>>>>>line
>>>>>>>of argument and had already said as much.
>>>>>>>(b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>============================
>>>>>>That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>>>>>
>>>>>Rick, you should know by now that
>>>>>beans, grains and some other seeds
>>>>>can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>>>>>of course many fruits and vegetables
>>>>>and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>>>>
>>>>======================
>>>>And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>>>>many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many
>>>>many more that contain no nutrients for human consumption.
>>>>Name a meat that isn't.....
>>>
>>>How about if you name a couple of the "many, many plants that
>>>contain no nutrients for human consumption". Make sure they are
>>>not contained in the set that "are outright poisonous for
>>>people". Shouldn't be too difficult if there are so many of
>>>them...
>>
>>==========================
>>grass, fool....
>>and yet a real herbavore, cows, can easily convert that to
>>edible, tasty, healthy foods for people.
>
>
> If I remember correctly,

We know that your memory is pretty ****ed up. No doubt it has something
to do with your drug abuse.

> the juice of
> all members of the grass family is
> edible to humans.

That requires extensive processing. Most grasses can't even be juiced
with a standard juicer. And most grasses that are juiced aren't common
meadow grasses, but the sprouts of various edible grains.

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
news
> "rick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "rick" > wrote in message
>> > ink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > "rick" > wrote in message
>> >> > ink.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> >> oups.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > rick wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Dave" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> oups.com...
>> >> >> >> > Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
>> >> >> >> > properly
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > red kidney
>> >> >> >> > beans contain the highest concentrations of
>> >> >> >> > Phytohaemagglutnin,
>> >> >> >> > which
>> >> >> >> > causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > trypsin
>> >> >> >> > inhibitor
>> >> >> >> > which
>> >> >> >> > prevents proper digestion of your food. If you
>> >> >> >> > follow
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > established
>> >> >> >> > guildlines,
>> >> >> >> > cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
>> >> >> >> ===============================
>> >> >> >> LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a
>> >> >> >> herbavore,
>> >> >> >> thanks....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > (a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a
>> >> >> > herbivore"
>> >> >> > line
>> >> >> > of argument and had already said as much.
>> >> >> > (b) How have I just proved that man is not a
>> >> >> > herbivore?
>> >> >> ============================
>> >> >> That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
>> >> >
>> >> > Rick, you should know by now that
>> >> > beans, grains and some other seeds
>> >> > can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>> >> > of course many fruits and vegetables
>> >> > and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>> >> ======================
>> >> And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there
>> >> are
>> >> many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and
>> >> many
>> >> many
>> >> more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name
>> >> a
>> >> meat that isn't.....
>> >
>> > Blowfish.
>> =======================
>> Nope. Not all the flesh is poisonous....
>
> It takes training and a license to
> prepare it so that it's safe to eat.
===================
Yet the flesh is not poisonous. thanks for proving my point,
killer.


>
>> As far as plants go, if you don't
>> > know which ones in our society that are
>> > edible, then I guess you'll never know.
>> > The point is that the edible ones are
>> > indeed edible raw. Do you eat your
>> > meat raw? It sounds like you should be
>> > hanging out in those Paleo-diet groups.
>> > But watch out for raw ground beef. It
>> > can kill you too.
>
> Let's not forget the ground beef's E.coli.
> And other lovely gifts from other dead
> livestock, like anthrax and salmonella.
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
>
>
>

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
>>><...>
>>>
>>>>>>Rick, you should know by now that
>>>>>>beans, grains and some other seeds
>>>>>>can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
>>>>>>of course many fruits and vegetables
>>>>>>and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
>>>>>
>>>>>======================
>>>>>And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
>>>>>many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many many
>>>>>more that contain no nutrients for human consumption. Name a
>>>>>meat that isn't.....
>>>>
>>>>Blowfish.
>>>
>>>Guess again, dummy. Fugu contains nutrients, and is safe when processed
>>>properly.
>>
>>
>> "When processed properly" is *very* key here. Not just anybody can
>> prepare fugu, you have to be specially trained and licensed to do so.
>
> Skanky made a *blanket* statement that fugu is poisonous and/or contains
> no nutrients. I specified that it can be safe when properly processed.
>
>> To be fair in these comparisions I think you have to consider that many
>> animals are dangerous to hunt: boars, snakes, bears, large cats, charging
>> rumnants, some fish, and many now extinct species to name a few.
>
> I think your concern about the danger is overblown.

Maybe today it is but it was a very serious concern before technology gave
us an advantage.

>> Plants cannot hunt, charge, maul, bite, or tear flesh.
>
> Tearing flesh? My legs beg to differ with you after a little incident with
> some briar last weekend.

I mean tearing flesh in the way that animals tear flesh, not little
scratches from briars.

> And if your definition of hunting includes using some form of lure to
> attract prey, what do you consider these plants to be doing?
> http://tinyurl.com/ddu75

We're talking about people, not insects. Carnivorous plants don't eat
people.

>> Animals can also become toxic if they consume toxic foods or if they
>> become ill. This is not a problem with plants since they are at the
>> bottom of the food chain.
>
> Plants grown intentionally or unintentionally in the presence of various
> chemicals can be toxic and cause poisoning of humans and other animals.
> Crops are routinely deemed unfit for human consumption because of toxic
> exposure to banned pesticides, overuse of pesticides, contact with human
> excreta, exposure to carcinogenic and other dangerous chemicals, etc.

Again, pesticides and other chemicals are products of technology. Plants
weren't artificially toxic before chemicals were invented.

The context of this discussion is whether humans were intended to be
herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores. It is an evolutionary process and not
one that can be greatly effected by the last few hundred years that we've
had technology.

Positions and attitudes aside, what do you think humans were intended to eat
and why?

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> >>
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> >>>>
> >>>>>"rick" > wrote in message
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>rick wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Dave" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:1130243790.628986.101310@g47g2000cwa. googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Some other beans can be poisonous if not cooked
> >>>>>>>>>properly but
> >>>>>>>>>red kidney
> >>>>>>>>>beans contain the highest concentrations of
> >>>>>>>>>Phytohaemagglutnin,
> >>>>>>>>>which
> >>>>>>>>>causes nausea and diarrhoea. Raw soya beans contain a
> >>>>>>>>>trypsin
> >>>>>>>>>inhibitor
> >>>>>>>>>which
> >>>>>>>>>prevents proper digestion of your food. If you follow
> >>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>established
> >>>>>>>>>guildlines,
> >>>>>>>>>cooking from fresh should be perfectly safe.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>===============================
> >>>>>>>>LOL I guess you just proved that man is not a herbavore,
> >>>>>>>>thanks....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>(a) I don't believe in the "man is naturally a herbivore"
> >>>>>>>line
> >>>>>>>of argument and had already said as much.
> >>>>>>>(b) How have I just proved that man is not a herbivore?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>============================
> >>>>>>That you can't eat plants without cooking them...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Rick, you should know by now that
> >>>>>beans, grains and some other seeds
> >>>>>can be sprouted and eaten raw. And
> >>>>>of course many fruits and vegetables
> >>>>>and nuts can obviously be eaten raw too.
> >>>>
> >>>>======================
> >>>>And, as you are apparently too stupid to understand, there are
> >>>>many plants that are outright poisonous for people, and many
> >>>>many more that contain no nutrients for human consumption.
> >>>>Name a meat that isn't.....
> >>>
> >>>How about if you name a couple of the "many, many plants that
> >>>contain no nutrients for human consumption". Make sure they are
> >>>not contained in the set that "are outright poisonous for
> >>>people". Shouldn't be too difficult if there are so many of
> >>>them...
> >>
> >>==========================
> >>grass, fool....
> >>and yet a real herbavore, cows, can easily convert that to
> >>edible, tasty, healthy foods for people.
> >
> >
> > If I remember correctly,
>
> We know that your memory is pretty ****ed up. No doubt it has something
> to do with your drug abuse.
>
> > the juice of
> > all members of the grass family is
> > edible to humans.
>
> That requires extensive processing. Most grasses can't even be juiced
> with a standard juicer. And most grasses that are juiced aren't common
> meadow grasses, but the sprouts of various edible grains.

No extensive processing is needed.
The juicer used usually is a manual
one requiring no electricity. A more
down to earth method would be to
chew on the grass, sucking out the
juices and then spitting out the
remaining fibers. Many people buy
a manual meat grinder for their
wheatgrass juicing.
http://tinyurl.com/8jm9n
I used to grow and drink wheatgrass
back in the early 80s. I got really
grossed out by the taste after a
while. Pills made of dried
wheatgrass are also available.

C. James Strutz wrote:
<...>
> Positions and attitudes aside, what do you think humans were intended to eat
> and why?

I'm not hung up on "original" diet nonsense because we're not a static
species. We're constantly evolving and adapting. Accordingly, I think
humans and other primates thrive on a varied diet. We are what we are
today because someone swinging in the old family tree decided to try
eating meat. That eventually led to greater and more complex brain
development (more so for some of us than others).

http://www.fi.edu/brain/fats.htm

Skanky wrote:
>>>If I remember correctly,
>>
>>We know that your memory is pretty ****ed up. No doubt it has something
>>to do with your drug abuse.

Established.

>>>the juice of
>>>all members of the grass family is
>>>edible to humans.
>>
>>That requires extensive processing. Most grasses can't even be juiced
>>with a standard juicer. And most grasses that are juiced aren't common
>>meadow grasses, but the sprouts of various edible grains.
>
> No extensive processing is needed.

Bullshit. It requires mechanical extraction. Compare that to other foods
which can be juiced by hand, e.g., citrus fruits.

> The juicer used usually is a manual
> one

Mechanical. How the hell do you think that mechanical juicer is made --
with rocks or sticks? They're made out of cast iron or other metals
which are heated to super high heats to melt them before the various
parts can be molded and forged. There are several levels of processing
from mining to forging to assembly required before your stupid grass is
ever juiced.

> requiring no electricity.

Guess again. You're so stupid you assume meat grinders appear
miraculously in stores so hippies like you can juice wheat and barley
grass. The processing of the juicer is required before you can process
the juice. You cannot leave out that process.

<...>
> Pills made of dried
> wheatgrass are also available.

Which requires even more processing: extraction, drying, encapsulation, etc.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Skanky wrote:
> >>>If I remember correctly,
> >>
> >>We know that your memory is pretty ****ed up. No doubt it has something
> >>to do with your drug abuse.
>
> Established.

Why are you talking to yourself?

> >>>the juice of
> >>>all members of the grass family is
> >>>edible to humans.
> >>
> >>That requires extensive processing. Most grasses can't even be juiced
> >>with a standard juicer. And most grasses that are juiced aren't common
> >>meadow grasses, but the sprouts of various edible grains.
> >
> > No extensive processing is needed.
>
> Bullshit. It requires mechanical extraction. Compare that to other foods
> which can be juiced by hand, e.g., citrus fruits.

So, are you a Luddite or something?
Even the Amish would approve of
the manual wheatgrass juicers as
being primitive enough. Why are you
so freaked about humans finding
ways, mechanical in this case, to
ease a task?

> > The juicer used usually is a manual
> > one
>
> Mechanical. How the hell do you think that mechanical juicer is made --
> with rocks or sticks? They're made out of cast iron or other metals
> which are heated to super high heats to melt them before the various
> parts can be molded and forged. There are several levels of processing
> from mining to forging to assembly required before your stupid grass is
> ever juiced.

So, you're wanting people to regress
to the stone age? No metal ages for
you. Do you feel that metal forging is
wrong?

> > requiring no electricity.
>
> Guess again. You're so stupid you assume meat grinders appear
> miraculously in stores so hippies like you can juice wheat and barley
> grass. The processing of the juicer is required before you can process
> the juice. You cannot leave out that process.

Why is that initial process so bad?

> <...>
> > Pills made of dried
> > wheatgrass are also available.
>
> Which requires even more processing: extraction, drying, encapsulation,
etc.

What's wrong with that?


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Skanky wrote:
>>>>>the juice of
>>>>>all members of the grass family is
>>>>>edible to humans.
>>>>
>>>>That requires extensive processing. Most grasses can't even be juiced
>>>>with a standard juicer. And most grasses that are juiced aren't common
>>>>meadow grasses, but the sprouts of various edible grains.
>>>
>>>No extensive processing is needed.
>>
>>Bullshit. It requires mechanical extraction. Compare that to other foods
>>which can be juiced by hand, e.g., citrus fruits.
>
> So

I can see how your feeble brain cell would stumble upon consideration of
all the processes involved to get a little bit of juice from a whole lot
of inputs. You only want to look at the grass (as usual). The processing
of the juice is much more complex than your brain cell can grasp because
such processing has to include all the inputs required and not just the
grass. Just the mechanical grinder/juicer requires extensive processing:
mining, melting, casting, forging, etc. Without it, no grass juice.

> are you a Luddite or something?

No, you're building yet another strawman.

> Why are you so freaked

I'm not freaked, you freak. You challenged Rick and made the foolish
claim that "no extensive processing is needed" to get nutrients from
grasses. I've explained why you're wrong. In order to get nutrients from
grasses, ore must be first mined and processed into mechanical devices
which can extract said nutrients. You get no nutrients from the grass if
that manufacturing process is skipped. Chewing on it -- your fall back
position -- won't return the number of calories it takes to chew cud in
the first place.

>>>The juicer used usually is a manual
>>>one
>>
>>Mechanical. How the hell do you think that mechanical juicer is made --
>>with rocks or sticks? They're made out of cast iron or other metals
>>which are heated to super high heats to melt them before the various
>>parts can be molded and forged. There are several levels of processing
>>from mining to forging to assembly required before your stupid grass is
>>ever juiced.
>
> So

Your poor little brain cell must be having such a difficult time.

> you're wanting people to regress
> to the stone age?

Strawman.

> Do you feel that metal forging is wrong?

Non sequitur. You're avoiding the discussion of all the steps of
processing juice from grasses, and looking like a feeble ass doing it.

>>>requiring no electricity.
>>
>>Guess again. You're so stupid you assume meat grinders appear
>>miraculously in stores so hippies like you can juice wheat and barley
>>grass. The processing of the juicer is required before you can process
>>the juice. You cannot leave out that process.
>
> Why is that initial process so bad?

It's not a question of being bad, it's just an appropriate response to
your ridiculous claim that "no extensive processing is needed" to get
nutrients from grass.

>><...>
>>
>>>Pills made of dried
>>>wheatgrass are also available.
>>
>>Which requires even more processing: extraction, drying, encapsulation,
>>etc.
>
> What's wrong with that?

Ask yourself that question after re-reading your statement about how "no
extensive processing is needed" a few times. Dumb ass.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
> <...>
>> Positions and attitudes aside, what do you think humans were intended to
>> eat and why?
>
> I'm not hung up on "original" diet nonsense because we're not a static
> species. We're constantly evolving and adapting. Accordingly, I think
> humans and other primates thrive on a varied diet. We are what we are
> today because someone swinging in the old family tree decided to try
> eating meat. That eventually led to greater and more complex brain
> development (more so for some of us than others).
>
> http://www.fi.edu/brain/fats.htm

Very interesting. The theory is that brain function increased in humans when
they began eating meat. Ultimately, it is the omega-3 and omega-6 fatty
acids that are transformed into longer chained fatty acids which incorporate
into brain cells. Today we know that there are sources of essential fatty
acids other than meat. Early humans must have eaten plant based foods that
also contained essential fatty acids: green leafy vegetables, seeds, and
nuts. I wonder if they just didn't get them in sufficient quantity until
they began eating meat.

Eating a varied diet is good as long as you get enough essential fatty acids
while avoiding trans fats, at least where it concerns the care and feeding
of the brain.

BTW, sorry to hear that the Astros were swept in the World Series. It was a
great season to make it that far...

C. James Strutz wrote:
>>>Positions and attitudes aside, what do you think humans were intended to
>>>eat and why?
>>
>>I'm not hung up on "original" diet nonsense because we're not a static
>>species. We're constantly evolving and adapting. Accordingly, I think
>>humans and other primates thrive on a varied diet. We are what we are
>>today because someone swinging in the old family tree decided to try
>>eating meat. That eventually led to greater and more complex brain
>>development (more so for some of us than others).
>>
>>http://www.fi.edu/brain/fats.htm
>
> Very interesting.

It is, and I think the concept of evolution -- dynamic adaptation and
physiological and genetic changes ultimately stemming from it -- shows
the folly of the peculiar suggestions made by dietary Luddites (e.g.,
vegan raw food advocates) that modern man should base his diet on either
what other primate species eat or what they think certain early hominids
ate.

Their arguments about comparative anatomy are specious because evolution
isn't linear, and it isn't even consistent within the same species. We
don't have claws our mouths filled with canines for shredding raw meat
because our brains evolved quickly enough that we had the cognitive
ability to develop tools like knives and we used fire to cook meat (and
plants that we couldn't eat without cooking).

> The theory is that brain function increased in humans when
> they began eating meat. Ultimately, it is the omega-3 and omega-6 fatty
> acids that are transformed into longer chained fatty acids which incorporate
> into brain cells.

Principally the omega-3. Plant-based foods are rich in omega-6 FAs.
Speaking with respect to contemporary health, most people have diets
with deficiencies in omega-3 and surpluses of omega-6. This FA imbalance
is associated with higher incidence of heart disease, neurological
issues, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid

And a site I use with a dose of caution:
Generally our diet contains far to much omega 6 fats. Experts
looking at the dietary ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids
suggest that in early human history the ratio was about 1:1.
Currently most Americans eat a dietary ratio that falls between
20:1 and 50:1. The optimal ratio is most likely closer to the
original ratio of 1:1. For most of us this means greatly
reducing the omega-6 fatty acids we consume and increasing the
amount of omega-3 fatty acids.

Please recognize that we get ALL the omega-6 and omega-9 fat we
need from food. We do NOT need to take any supplements for these
fats. Many of the omega fat supplements you see in health food
stores will only serve to worsen your health, not improve it as
they contain omega 6 fats which will worsen your omega-6 to
omega-3 ratio.
http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/27/omega3_fats.htm

> Today we know that there are sources of essential fatty
> acids other than meat.

Not all fatty acids are created equal. I addressed this issue a couple
weeks ago. The differences between the plant-based and animal-based FAs
are substantial, and the research seems to confirm it. Flax isn't a
direct substitute for the FAs found in oily cold-water fish because the
omega-3 FAs in the flax are short-chained and because the flax contains
a tremendous amount of omega-6. In comparison, fish oils are
long-chained and have a lot more omega-3 than omega-6.

http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/esstable.html

> Early humans must have eaten plant based foods that
> also contained essential fatty acids: green leafy vegetables, seeds, and
> nuts. I wonder if they just didn't get them in sufficient quantity until
> they began eating meat.

Meat's nutrients are concentrated, especially when discussing fats and
fatty acids. A small serving of salmon or herring contains more EFAs
than a couple pounds of leafy greens.

> Eating a varied diet is good as long as you get enough essential fatty acids
> while avoiding trans fats, at least where it concerns the care and feeding
> of the brain.

Avoiding transfats is quite easy. Searching through BS hype about the
latest health fads to get to the truth takes more effort, but it's worth it.

> BTW, sorry to hear that the Astros were swept in the World Series. It was a
> great season to make it that far...

No complaints about it at all. I think their season and postseason
would've been more productive had they not tied up the entire winter in
pursuing Carlos Beltran. I hope they learned their lesson from that fiasco.

Here's to the Pens for finally winning last night.