Your input, insight and links please.....?

Joe wrote:
> Your input, insight and links please.....?


Granted.


----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11303585
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2001 Mar;10(3):179-84. Related
Articles, Links

Erratum in:

* Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2001 Sep;10(9):1013.


Effect of soymilk consumption on serum estrogen and androgen
concentrations in Japanese men.

Nagata C, Takatsuka N, Shimizu H, Hayashi H, Akamatsu T, Murase K.

Department of Public Health, Gifu University School of Medicine, Japan.

Soy consumption has been associated with a reduced risk of prostate
cancer. The mechanism for this association may involve the effect of soy
on the endocrine system. We conducted a randomized dietary intervention
study to determine the effects of soy consumption on serum levels of
steroid hormones in men. Thirty-five men were randomly assigned to
either a soymilk-supplemented group or a control group. The men in the
soy-supplemented group were asked to consume 400 ml of soymilk daily for
8 weeks. The men in the control group maintained their usual diet. Blood
samples were obtained just before the initiation of the dietary period
and thereafter every two weeks for 12 weeks. Changes in hormone
concentrations were analyzed and compared between the two groups using
the mixed linear regression model against weeks from the start of the
dietary period. The mean (SD) soymilk intake estimated from dietary
records during the dietary study period was 342.9 (SD, 74.2) ml in the
soymilk-supplemented group. There was a significant difference between
the two groups in terms of changes in serum estrone concentrations,
which tended to decrease in the soy-supplemented group and increase in
the control group over time. None of the other hormones measured
(estradiol, total and free-testosterone, or sex hormone-binding
globulin) showed any statistical difference between the two groups in
terms of patterns of change. The results of the study indicate that
soymilk consumption may modify circulating estrone concentrations in men.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial


PMID: 11303585 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11880595
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1: J Nutr. 2002 Mar;132(3):570S-573S. Related Articles, Links

Hormonal effects of soy in premenopausal women and men.

Kurzer MS.

Department of Food Science and Nutrition, University of Minnesota,
St. Paul, MN 55108, USA.

Over the past few years, there has been increasing interest in the
possible hormonal effects of soy and soy isoflavone consumption in both
women and men. Soy consumption has been suggested to exert potentially
cancer-preventive effects in premenopausal women, such as increased
menstrual cycle length and sex hormone-binding globulin levels and
decreased estrogen levels. There has been some concern that consumption
of phytoestrogens might exert adverse effects on men's fertility, such
as lowered testosterone levels and semen quality. The studies in women
have provided modest support for beneficial effects. One cross-sectional
study showed serum estrogens to be inversely associated with soy intake.
Seven soy intervention studies controlled for phase of menstrual cycle.
These studies provided 32-200 mg/d of isoflavones and generally showed
decreased midcycle plasma gonadotropins and trends toward increased
menstrual cycle length and decreased blood concentrations of estradiol,
progesterone and sex hormone-binding globulin. A few studies also showed
decreased urinary estrogens and increased ratios of urinary 2-(OH) to
16alpha-(OH) and 2-(OH) to 4-(OH) estrogens. Soy and isoflavone
consumption does not seem to affect the endometrium in premenopausal
women, although there have been weak estrogenic effects reported in the
breast. Thus, studies in women have mostly been consistent with
beneficial effects, although the magnitude of the effects is quite small
and of uncertain significance. Only three intervention studies reported
hormonal effects of soy isoflavones in men. These recent studies in men
consuming soyfoods or supplements containing 40--70 mg/d of soy
isoflavones showed few effects on plasma hormones or semen quality.
These data do not support concerns about effects on reproductive
hormones and semen quality.

Publication Types:

* Review
* Review, Tutorial


PMID: 11880595 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12094627
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Nutr Cancer. 2001;41(1-2):41-6. Related Articles, Links

Soy milk intake in relation to serum sex hormone levels in British men.

Allen NE, Appleby PN, Davey GK, Key TJ.

Cancer Research UK Epidemiology Unit, University of Oxford, Oxford
OX2 6HE, UK.

Soy beans contain high levels of the isoflavones genistein and
daidzein and their glycosides and have been implicated in the prevention
of prostate cancer, possibly via their effects on sex hormone
metabolism. The aim of this study was to assess the relation between
dietary soy intake and sex hormone levels in a cross-sectional analysis
of 696 men with a wide range of soy intakes. Soy milk intake was
measured using a validated semiquantitative food frequency
questionnaire, and serum hormone concentrations were measured by
immunoassay. Multiple regression was used to investigate the association
between soy milk intake, an index of isoflavone intake, and hormone
levels after adjustment for pertinent confounders. Soy milk intake was
not associated with serum concentrations of testosterone, free
testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide, sex hormone-binding globulin,
or luteinizing hormone. These results suggest that soy milk intake, as a
marker of isoflavone intake, is not associated with serum sex hormone
concentrations among free-living Western men.

PMID: 12094627 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/04167/331753.stm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eat your soy, boys
A food that's good for girls is good for guys, too

Tuesday, June 15, 2004
By Sally Squires, The Washington Post

Yes, it's true that your wife, girlfriend or significant other has been
eating a lot of soy lately, mainly to boost her female hormones. That
doesn't mean it's bad for you, fella. Instead of pushing aside that soy
milk, go ahead and pour some on your morning cereal. Dig into the soy
burgers at the office cafeteria and the tofu that appears in your
takeout stir-fry.

There is strong evidence that the risk of prostate cancer may be reduced
by eating soy products such as these: plain soy milk and organic soy
non-dairy frozen dessert.
Click photo for larger image.

Benefits for men of a diet that includes soy

It turns out that soy, at least in the doses most people will consume it
in food, may be good for guys, too. A growing number of studies suggest
that soy has plenty of health benefits for men -- from lowering
cholesterol levels to protecting against prostate cancer -- and few
downsides.

"Real men should eat soy," said Kenneth Setchell, professor of
pediatrics at the Cincinnati Children's Medical Center, who has studied
soy for 30 years. "Generally, men are put off by soy. It tends to be
sort of a woman's thing. That's a great pity, because the evidence that
soy protects against prostate cancer is quite strong."

While there have been worries that men who consume large quantities of
low-carb soy bread, soy cereal or other soy-filled foods may get a
little too in touch with their feminine sides, research findings have
generally not borne out those fears.

"Soy is a very healthy food," said physician James Anderson, who has
studied soy for 15 years at the University of Kentucky in Lexington and
is convinced enough of its benefits to eat about a dozen servings per
week. "It's very safe."

Most concerns about soy have centered around the fact that it is a rich
source of isoflavones, substances that mimic the effects of the female
hormone estrogen. To determine what these plant-based chemicals might
do, Steven Zeisel and his colleagues at the University of North Carolina
at Chapel Hill fed megadoses of soy to men as part of a recent National
Cancer Institute study.

Nipple discharge, breast enlargement and slight decreases in
testosterone occurred with the megadoses. But "we still couldn't find
anything that was serious, and we went up to doses that are probably 30
times what you could get from normal foods," Zeisel said.

And if you stick with foods rich in soy as opposed to supplements,
researchers say, there's no evidence of harm, unless you happen to be
among the one in every 1,000 people who are allergic to soy.

Not only is soy a rich source of high-quality protein, it also contains
complex carbohydrates that don't raise blood sugar as high as more
processed carbohydrates. It has fiber, folic acid (a key B vitamin),
healthy fat and antioxidants that help protect against cancer.

There's also evidence that soy acts as a probiotic in some people,
promoting growth of healthy bacteria in the gastrointestinal tract that
in turn produce health-promoting substances. It only takes a small
amount of soy to produce health benefits. Less than a handful of soy
nuts, about a fifth of a cup, provides 12 grams of protein, said
Anderson, who keeps a stash near his desk for snacks.

Just resist any urge to eat raw soy. Uncooked soybeans contain a
substance that inhibits trypsin, a key enzyme required for protein
digestion.








--

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Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"

"Joe" > wrote in message
news
> Your input, insight and links please.....?

I say that if people are so scared
of soy, switch to a different legume.
Make pinto bean milk, or kidney
bean tofu, etc. TVP can be made
from other beans too. Since the
fear of soy seems kind of wide
spread these days, there's a
market niche that needs filling
by an enterpreneur or two. I
personally have nothing against
soy, but there are definitely
people who feel it's a concern
so that's a market demand.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Stupid Nectar wrote:
>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
>
> I say that if people are so scared
> of soy, switch to a different legume.
> Make pinto bean milk,

Try it and see why people don't drink it.

> or kidney bean tofu,

Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?

> etc. TVP can be made
> from other beans too.

Such as?

<snip retarded statements>

--
"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Stupid Nectar wrote:
> >>Your input, insight and links please.....?
> >
> > I say that if people are so scared
> > of soy, switch to a different legume.
> > Make pinto bean milk,
>
> Try it and see why people don't drink it.
>
> > or kidney bean tofu,
>
> Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?

Dummy yourself. WTF is proetin?

> > etc. TVP can be made
> > from other beans too.
>
> Such as?
>
> <snip retarded statements>


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Stupid Nectar wrote:
>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
>>>
>>>I say that if people are so scared
>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
>>>Make pinto bean milk,
>>
>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
>>
>>>or kidney bean tofu,
>>
>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
>
> WTF is proetin?

Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
comprehend? Why not answer the question if you did?

>>>etc. TVP can be made
>>>from other beans too.
>>
>>Such as?

Which ones, dumb ass?

Good info Steve;
I found this link to be of interest;
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/isoflavones.html

an excerpt from the link;-

".....It is concluded that soy isoflavones can be the cause of
thyroid disorders in soy consumers and, hence, there is every
indication that cases of goitre and hypothyroidism in infants were
caused by the soy isoflavones. Unless diets that include soy
isoflavones are adequately supplemented with iodine, goitre will
result. In this regard Kay et al. discuss the minimum safety iodine
requirement for a soybean diet (28).

However, even if iodine supplementation does occur, under conditions
of high chronic doses of isoflavones persistent inhibition of thyroid
hormone synthesis could potentially lead to thyroid cancer (27).

With regard to breast cancer, Dees et al. have shown that dietary
concentrations of genistein may stimulate breast cells to enter the
cell cycle; this finding led these authors to conclude that women
should not consume soy products to prevent breast cancer (29). This
work is consistent with an earlier report by Petrakis et al. who
expressed concern that women fed soy protein isolate have an increased
incidence of epithelial hyperplasia (21).

There is no doubt that soy isoflavones are biologically active in
humans. The first report of a definitive experiment which showed this
involved the consumption of 60g of soy protein per day for one month
by pre-menopausal women (30). The soy isoflavones disrupted the
menstrual cycle during, and for up to three months after,
administration. With regard to this study the ADM document claims "no
adverse effects were noted' but the authors of the original paper did
not state this. It is appreciated that there are varying opinions in
the scientific community as to what constitutes toxicity. In recent
times, however, there has evolved a greater understanding of endocrine
disrupters and their effects. Many now view the multiplicity of
effects that endocrine disrupters can induce as toxic effects (8).

The inclusion of endocrine disrupters in human diets should not be
taken lightly. With specific reference to soy-based infant formulas
the high soy isoflavone intake of this population group has led Dr
Sheehan to note that infants fed soy-based formulas have been placed
at risk in a "large, uncontrolled, and basically unmonitored human
infant experiment' (31). If soy isoflavones are granted GRAS status
this experiment would spread to the greater population and millions
would be exposed to compounds which are increasingly being shown to
have adverse effects.

Also, the synergistic effects that soy isoflavones may induce when
combined with other xenoestrogens that the human population are
exposed are beyond the scope of this document. However, there is a
general thesis that because of the potential for synergistic effects,
human exposure to all endocrine disrupters, such as the soy
isoflavones, requires urgent reduction (8). .........."

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:36:20 -0400, Steve
> wrote:

>Joe wrote:
>> Your input, insight and links please.....?
>
>
>Granted.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11303585
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>1: Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2001 Mar;10(3):179-84. Related
>Articles, Links
>
> Erratum in:
>
> * Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2001 Sep;10(9):1013.
>
>
> Effect of soymilk consumption on serum estrogen and androgen
>concentrations in Japanese men.
>
> Nagata C, Takatsuka N, Shimizu H, Hayashi H, Akamatsu T, Murase K.
>
> Department of Public Health, Gifu University School of Medicine, Japan.
>
> Soy consumption has been associated with a reduced risk of prostate
>cancer. The mechanism for this association may involve the effect of soy
>on the endocrine system. We conducted a randomized dietary intervention
>study to determine the effects of soy consumption on serum levels of
>steroid hormones in men. Thirty-five men were randomly assigned to
>either a soymilk-supplemented group or a control group. The men in the
>soy-supplemented group were asked to consume 400 ml of soymilk daily for
>8 weeks. The men in the control group maintained their usual diet. Blood
>samples were obtained just before the initiation of the dietary period
>and thereafter every two weeks for 12 weeks. Changes in hormone
>concentrations were analyzed and compared between the two groups using
>the mixed linear regression model against weeks from the start of the
>dietary period. The mean (SD) soymilk intake estimated from dietary
>records during the dietary study period was 342.9 (SD, 74.2) ml in the
>soymilk-supplemented group. There was a significant difference between
>the two groups in terms of changes in serum estrone concentrations,
>which tended to decrease in the soy-supplemented group and increase in
>the control group over time. None of the other hormones measured
>(estradiol, total and free-testosterone, or sex hormone-binding
>globulin) showed any statistical difference between the two groups in
>terms of patterns of change. The results of the study indicate that
>soymilk consumption may modify circulating estrone concentrations in men.
>
> Publication Types:
>
> * Clinical Trial
> * Randomized Controlled Trial
>
>
> PMID: 11303585 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=11880595
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>1: J Nutr. 2002 Mar;132(3):570S-573S. Related Articles, Links
>
> Hormonal effects of soy in premenopausal women and men.
>
> Kurzer MS.
>
> Department of Food Science and Nutrition, University of Minnesota,
>St. Paul, MN 55108, USA.
>
> Over the past few years, there has been increasing interest in the
>possible hormonal effects of soy and soy isoflavone consumption in both
>women and men. Soy consumption has been suggested to exert potentially
>cancer-preventive effects in premenopausal women, such as increased
>menstrual cycle length and sex hormone-binding globulin levels and
>decreased estrogen levels. There has been some concern that consumption
>of phytoestrogens might exert adverse effects on men's fertility, such
>as lowered testosterone levels and semen quality. The studies in women
>have provided modest support for beneficial effects. One cross-sectional
>study showed serum estrogens to be inversely associated with soy intake.
>Seven soy intervention studies controlled for phase of menstrual cycle.
>These studies provided 32-200 mg/d of isoflavones and generally showed
>decreased midcycle plasma gonadotropins and trends toward increased
>menstrual cycle length and decreased blood concentrations of estradiol,
>progesterone and sex hormone-binding globulin. A few studies also showed
>decreased urinary estrogens and increased ratios of urinary 2-(OH) to
>16alpha-(OH) and 2-(OH) to 4-(OH) estrogens. Soy and isoflavone
>consumption does not seem to affect the endometrium in premenopausal
>women, although there have been weak estrogenic effects reported in the
>breast. Thus, studies in women have mostly been consistent with
>beneficial effects, although the magnitude of the effects is quite small
>and of uncertain significance. Only three intervention studies reported
>hormonal effects of soy isoflavones in men. These recent studies in men
>consuming soyfoods or supplements containing 40--70 mg/d of soy
>isoflavones showed few effects on plasma hormones or semen quality.
>These data do not support concerns about effects on reproductive
>hormones and semen quality.
>
> Publication Types:
>
> * Review
> * Review, Tutorial
>
>
> PMID: 11880595 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12094627
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>1: Nutr Cancer. 2001;41(1-2):41-6. Related Articles, Links
>
> Soy milk intake in relation to serum sex hormone levels in British men.
>
> Allen NE, Appleby PN, Davey GK, Key TJ.
>
> Cancer Research UK Epidemiology Unit, University of Oxford, Oxford
>OX2 6HE, UK.
>
> Soy beans contain high levels of the isoflavones genistein and
>daidzein and their glycosides and have been implicated in the prevention
>of prostate cancer, possibly via their effects on sex hormone
>metabolism. The aim of this study was to assess the relation between
>dietary soy intake and sex hormone levels in a cross-sectional analysis
>of 696 men with a wide range of soy intakes. Soy milk intake was
>measured using a validated semiquantitative food frequency
>questionnaire, and serum hormone concentrations were measured by
>immunoassay. Multiple regression was used to investigate the association
>between soy milk intake, an index of isoflavone intake, and hormone
>levels after adjustment for pertinent confounders. Soy milk intake was
>not associated with serum concentrations of testosterone, free
>testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide, sex hormone-binding globulin,
>or luteinizing hormone. These results suggest that soy milk intake, as a
>marker of isoflavone intake, is not associated with serum sex hormone
>concentrations among free-living Western men.
>
> PMID: 12094627 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>From:
>http://www.postgazette.com/pg/04167/331753.stm
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Eat your soy, boys
>A food that's good for girls is good for guys, too
>
>Tuesday, June 15, 2004
>By Sally Squires, The Washington Post
>
>Yes, it's true that your wife, girlfriend or significant other has been
>eating a lot of soy lately, mainly to boost her female hormones. That
>doesn't mean it's bad for you, fella. Instead of pushing aside that soy
>milk, go ahead and pour some on your morning cereal. Dig into the soy
>burgers at the office cafeteria and the tofu that appears in your
>takeout stir-fry.
>
>There is strong evidence that the risk of prostate cancer may be reduced
>by eating soy products such as these: plain soy milk and organic soy
>non-dairy frozen dessert.
>Click photo for larger image.
>
>Benefits for men of a diet that includes soy
>
>It turns out that soy, at least in the doses most people will consume it
>in food, may be good for guys, too. A growing number of studies suggest
>that soy has plenty of health benefits for men -- from lowering
>cholesterol levels to protecting against prostate cancer -- and few
>downsides.
>
>"Real men should eat soy," said Kenneth Setchell, professor of
>pediatrics at the Cincinnati Children's Medical Center, who has studied
>soy for 30 years. "Generally, men are put off by soy. It tends to be
>sort of a woman's thing. That's a great pity, because the evidence that
>soy protects against prostate cancer is quite strong."
>
>While there have been worries that men who consume large quantities of
>low-carb soy bread, soy cereal or other soy-filled foods may get a
>little too in touch with their feminine sides, research findings have
>generally not borne out those fears.
>
>"Soy is a very healthy food," said physician James Anderson, who has
>studied soy for 15 years at the University of Kentucky in Lexington and
>is convinced enough of its benefits to eat about a dozen servings per
>week. "It's very safe."
>
>Most concerns about soy have centered around the fact that it is a rich
>source of isoflavones, substances that mimic the effects of the female
>hormone estrogen. To determine what these plant-based chemicals might
>do, Steven Zeisel and his colleagues at the University of North Carolina
>at Chapel Hill fed megadoses of soy to men as part of a recent National
>Cancer Institute study.
>
>Nipple discharge, breast enlargement and slight decreases in
>testosterone occurred with the megadoses. But "we still couldn't find
>anything that was serious, and we went up to doses that are probably 30
>times what you could get from normal foods," Zeisel said.
>
>And if you stick with foods rich in soy as opposed to supplements,
>researchers say, there's no evidence of harm, unless you happen to be
>among the one in every 1,000 people who are allergic to soy.
>
>Not only is soy a rich source of high-quality protein, it also contains
>complex carbohydrates that don't raise blood sugar as high as more
>processed carbohydrates. It has fiber, folic acid (a key B vitamin),
>healthy fat and antioxidants that help protect against cancer.
>
>There's also evidence that soy acts as a probiotic in some people,
>promoting growth of healthy bacteria in the gastrointestinal tract that
>in turn produce health-promoting substances. It only takes a small
>amount of soy to produce health benefits. Less than a handful of soy
>nuts, about a fifth of a cup, provides 12 grams of protein, said
>Anderson, who keeps a stash near his desk for snacks.
>
>Just resist any urge to eat raw soy. Uncooked soybeans contain a
>substance that inhibits trypsin, a key enzyme required for protein
>digestion.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Stupid Nectar wrote:
> >>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
> >>>
> >>>I say that if people are so scared
> >>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
> >>>Make pinto bean milk,
> >>
> >>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
> >>
> >>>or kidney bean tofu,
> >>
> >>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
> >
> > WTF is proetin?
>
> Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
> comprehend? Why not answer the question if you did?

I guess I didn't think you'd be dumb
enough to ask whether other beans
have protein.

> >>>etc. TVP can be made
> >>>from other beans too.
> >>
> >>Such as?
>
> Which ones, dumb ass?

Try it and find out you moron. There
are dozens of other edible beans.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Stupid Nectar wrote:
>>>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
>>>>>
>>>>>I say that if people are so scared
>>>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
>>>>>Make pinto bean milk,
>>>>
>>>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
>>>>
>>>>>or kidney bean tofu,
>>>>
>>>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
>>>
>>>WTF is proetin?
>>
>>Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
>>comprehend?
>
> I guess

That figures.

>>>>>etc. TVP can be made
>>>>
>>>>>from other beans too.
>>>>
>>>>Such as?
>>
>>Which ones, dumb ass?
>
> Try it and find out you moron. There
> are dozens of other edible beans.

You're the one making the point. From which ones can texturized protein
be processed, dumb ass?

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Stupid Nectar wrote:
> >>>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I say that if people are so scared
> >>>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
> >>>>>Make pinto bean milk,
> >>>>
> >>>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
> >>>>
> >>>>>or kidney bean tofu,
> >>>>
> >>>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
> >>>
> >>>WTF is proetin?
> >>
> >>Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
> >>comprehend?
> >
> > I guess
>
> That figures.
>
> >>>>>etc. TVP can be made
> >>>>
> >>>>>from other beans too.
> >>>>
> >>>>Such as?
> >>
> >>Which ones, dumb ass?
> >
> > Try it and find out you moron. There
> > are dozens of other edible beans.
>
> You're the one making the point. From which ones can texturized protein
> be processed, dumb ass?

Ask nicely.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Stupid Nectar wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I say that if people are so scared
>>>>>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
>>>>>>>Make pinto bean milk,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>or kidney bean tofu,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
>>>>>
>>>>>WTF is proetin?
>>>>
>>>>Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
>>>>comprehend?
>>>
>>>I guess
>>
>>That figures.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>etc. TVP can be made
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>from other beans too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Such as?
>>>>
>>>>Which ones, dumb ass?
>>>
>>>Try it and find out you moron. There
>>>are dozens of other edible beans.
>>
>>You're the one making the point. From which ones can texturized protein
>>be processed, dumb ass?
>
> Ask nicely.

I just did, dummy. Answer the question.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Stupid Nectar wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I say that if people are so scared
> >>>>>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
> >>>>>>>Make pinto bean milk,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>or kidney bean tofu,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>WTF is proetin?
> >>>>
> >>>>Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
> >>>>comprehend?
> >>>
> >>>I guess
> >>
> >>That figures.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>etc. TVP can be made
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>from other beans too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Such as?
> >>>>
> >>>>Which ones, dumb ass?
> >>>
> >>>Try it and find out you moron. There
> >>>are dozens of other edible beans.
> >>
> >>You're the one making the point. From which ones can texturized protein
> >>be processed, dumb ass?
> >
> > Ask nicely.
>
> I just did, dummy. Answer the question.

Ask nicely.


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Stupid Nectar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I say that if people are so scared
>>>>>>>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
>>>>>>>>>Make pinto bean milk,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>or kidney bean tofu,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>WTF is proetin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
>>>>>>comprehend?
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess
>>>>
>>>>That figures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>etc. TVP can be made
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from other beans too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Such as?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which ones, dumb ass?
>>>>>
>>>>>Try it and find out you moron. There
>>>>>are dozens of other edible beans.
>>>>
>>>>You're the one making the point. From which ones can texturized protein
>>>>be processed, dumb ass?
>>>
>>>Ask nicely.
>>
>>I just did, dummy. Answer the question.
>
> Ask nicely.

I just did, dummy. Answer the question.

holy geezus, lol. I thought this'd be a good thread started up to
delve into many insightful points of view.
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:50:23 GMT, usual suspect >
wrote:

>Stupid Nectar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Your input, insight and links please.....?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I say that if people are so scared
>>>>>>>>>>of soy, switch to a different legume.
>>>>>>>>>>Make pinto bean milk,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Try it and see why people don't drink it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or kidney bean tofu,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does it have enough proetin to coagulate, dummy?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>WTF is proetin?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Typo of "protein." Is your grasp of English so bad that you didn't
>>>>>>>comprehend?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess
>>>>>
>>>>>That figures.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>etc. TVP can be made
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>from other beans too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Such as?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which ones, dumb ass?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Try it and find out you moron. There
>>>>>>are dozens of other edible beans.
>>>>>
>>>>>You're the one making the point. From which ones can texturized protein
>>>>>be processed, dumb ass?
>>>>
>>>>Ask nicely.
>>>
>>>I just did, dummy. Answer the question.
>>
>> Ask nicely.
>
>I just did, dummy. Answer the question.