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Old 15-08-2005, 12:23 AM
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What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is perfected?
Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579

Laurie




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Laurie wrote:

What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is perfected?
Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579

Laurie



It's an emotional reaction, but it disgusts me.

Does someone having moral beliefs make them a whiner?

Maybe it will put the meat manufacturing industry out of business and
reduce the suffering of
meat factories. I hope so.

Will they account for a digestive system that is many times the length
of the trunk and is not designed to eat meat?

What are the long term effects?


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Beach Runner wrote:
What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is
perfected? Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579


It's an emotional reaction, but it disgusts me.


Why?

Does someone having moral beliefs make them a whiner?


You don't have any moral beliefs.

Maybe it will put the meat manufacturing industry out of business


WTF do you think is the ultimate goal of those trying to make meat in
labs, dipshit? To *manufacture meat*.

and reduce the suffering of meat factories.


There are no "meat factories." They're called farms. These scientists
will change that: reduced farms for real meat, factories for this
product which you shouldn't find objectionable on AR grounds since it
doesn't "harm" a "sentient being."
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Old 20-08-2005, 11:18 AM
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usual suspect wrote:

Beach Runner wrote:

What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is
perfected? Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579



It's an emotional reaction, but it disgusts me.




Why?

Does someone having moral beliefs make them a whiner?



You don't have any moral beliefs.

You're wrong

Maybe it will put the meat manufacturing industry out of business



WTF do you think is the ultimate goal of those trying to make meat in
labs, dipshit? To *manufacture meat*.

and reduce the suffering of meat factories.


I agree "that" would be good. I also would not chose to eat such things.
I don't want to be a guinea pig (like gene manipulation) like the many
new chemicals which have proven to be toxic. What about Pig Gestation
boxes, where pigs are kept in boxes. Pigs are smarter than dogs so it's
easy to see they suffer.


There are no "meat factories." They're called farms. These scientists
will change that: reduced farms for real meat, factories for this
product which you shouldn't find objectionable on AR grounds since it
doesn't "harm" a "sentient being."


Tell that to chickens kept in cages and never see the light of day.
That's hardly a farm. Turkeys have have their beaks cut off so they
can't choose their foods. That's not what people think of when they see
Farmer Jones's farms.

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Old 22-08-2005, 04:44 PM
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Beach Rambler wrote:
What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is
perfected? Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579



It's an emotional reaction, but it disgusts me.


Why?


WHY DOES IT DISGUST YOU?

Does someone having moral beliefs make them a whiner?


You don't have any moral beliefs.


You're wrong


Ipse dixit. Your veganism/animal rights beliefs aren't moral. Veganism
is a pseudoethical system which pretends to be a "solution" which
reduces or eliminates a specific "problem." The fact, though, is that
veganism in nearly every instance exacerbates the problem it seeks to
solve. Veganism is predicated on the logical fallacy of denying the
antecedent: "if I don't eat meat (or consume dairy or wear fur, etc.),
animals don't suffer." Animals DO suffer and die to produce non-meat
foods through standard agricultural practices including the use of
machinery, irrigation, pesticides, etc. In short, veganism objects to
the death of just one animal which others eat while turning a blind eye
to the thousands of dead animals which die to produce a vegan's diet.

Maybe it will put the meat manufacturing industry out of business


WTF do you think is the ultimate goal of those trying to make meat in
labs, dipshit? To *manufacture meat*.

and reduce the suffering of meat factories.


I agree "that" would be good.


Why are you agreeing with what you wrote, dumb ass?

I also would not chose to eat such things.


Choose. Why not? You already eat foods which are very much similar to
those either for yourself or for your shack-up girlfriend's granddaughter.

I don't want to be a guinea pig


You may as well be, Bob. After all, you claim to have been a vegan for
over 30 years and that you're over 50 years-old. That means you've been
orthorexic nearly your entire adult life for some very dubious reasons.
What are the results of your three decades of orthorexia? You have a
WOMAN'S DISEASE -- osteoporosis -- and you have to take B12 shots. You
are NOT the poster child for veganism's benefits and you really
shouldn't hold yourself up as one.

What about Pig Gestation
boxes, where pigs are kept in boxes.


They're NOT boxes, they're stalls. Stop being a sycophant for
anti-farming activists. You're probably operating off disinformation
from the 2002 initiative to ban them in Florida.

The activists also suggested that passage of the amendment would
protect citizens from the influx of corporate hog farming. The
state of Florida lacks the infrastructure to support large hog
operations, he points out.

The new amendment will have little or no impact on hog farming,
declares Hall. The only two producers in the state using
gestation stalls are planning to phase out their operations, he
adds. The amendment goes into effect in 2008....

Kathy Chinn, chairman of the National Pork Boardís Animal
Welfare Committee, says it is too bad so many of Floridaís
voters lacked the benefit of scientific information or
understanding of animal care practices.

"They donít understand that our livelihood depends on the
welfare of our animals, and individually housing sows greatly
enhances their welfare," she states. "Sows are protected from
the aggressive nature of their neighbors."
http://nationalhogfarmer.com/news/fa...aws_gestation/

Pigs are smarter than dogs


They're certainly smarter than you.

There are no "meat factories." They're called farms. These scientists
will change that: reduced farms for real meat, factories for this
product which you shouldn't find objectionable on AR grounds since it
doesn't "harm" a "sentient being."


Tell that to chickens


Chickens don't understand any human language, you moron.


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Old 22-08-2005, 04:50 PM
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"useless cesspool" wrote in message
. ..

\ You may as well be, Bob. After all, you claim to have been a vegan for
over 30 years and that you're over 50 years-old. That means you've been
orthorexic nearly your entire adult life for some very dubious reasons.
What are the results of your three decades of orthorexia? You have a
WOMAN'S DISEASE -- osteoporosis -- and you have to take B12 shots. You
are NOT the poster child for veganism's benefits and you really
shouldn't hold yourself up as one.


You are the only one here who fits
the description of orthorexia. I have
a friend who is an average meat
eater. He has been all his life. He
is now in his 60s and he has
osteoporosis. How did he get it
according to you?




--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/


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Old 22-08-2005, 06:11 PM
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Dependency-Scented Liar wrote:
You may as well be, Bob. After all, you claim to have been a vegan for
over 30 years and that you're over 50 years-old. That means you've been
orthorexic nearly your entire adult life for some very dubious reasons.
What are the results of your three decades of orthorexia? You have a
WOMAN'S DISEASE -- osteoporosis -- and you have to take B12 shots. You
are NOT the poster child for veganism's benefits and you really
shouldn't hold yourself up as one.


You are the only one here


Bob has a woman's disease and takes B12 shots after thirty years of
veganism. Don't tell me veganism is inherently healthy. Bob is proof to
the contrary. Dittos for the morbidly obese self-crippled
ex-greasemonkey in Eastbourne, who's a candidate for adult-onset
diabetes if he doesn't already have it (it would certainly explain his
"bluefoot").
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Old 22-08-2005, 06:18 PM
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"usual suspect" wrote in message
.. .
Dependency-Scented Liar wrote:
You may as well be, Bob. After all, you claim to have been a vegan for
over 30 years and that you're over 50 years-old. That means you've been
orthorexic nearly your entire adult life for some very dubious reasons.
What are the results of your three decades of orthorexia? You have a
WOMAN'S DISEASE -- osteoporosis -- and you have to take B12 shots. You
are NOT the poster child for veganism's benefits and you really
shouldn't hold yourself up as one.


You are the only one here


Bob has a woman's disease and takes B12 shots after thirty years of
veganism. Don't tell me veganism is inherently healthy. Bob is proof to
the contrary. Dittos for the morbidly obese self-crippled
ex-greasemonkey in Eastbourne, who's a candidate for adult-onset
diabetes if he doesn't already have it (it would certainly explain his
"bluefoot").


You're avoiding my question. How
do you explain my male friend who's
been a meat eater for over 60 years
and has this "women's disease"?


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/


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Old 22-08-2005, 07:11 PM
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usual suspect wrote:

Beach Rambler wrote:

What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is
perfected? Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579




It's an emotional reaction, but it disgusts me.


Why?

After what you wrote, none of your ****ing business.



WHY DOES IT DISGUST YOU?


It reminds me of
Does someone having moral beliefs make them a whiner?


You don't have any moral beliefs.


**** you.


You're wrong



Ipse dixit.


You love that phrase. Do you jerk off to it?
Your veganism/animal rights beliefs aren't moral. Veganism
is a pseudoethical system which pretends to be a "solution" which
reduces or eliminates a specific "problem." The fact, though, is that
veganism in nearly every instance exacerbates the problem it seeks to
solve. Veganism is predicated on the logical fallacy of denying the
antecedent: "if I don't eat meat (or consume dairy or wear fur, etc.),
animals don't suffer." Animals DO suffer and die to produce non-meat
foods through standard agricultural practices including the use of
machinery, irrigation, pesticides, etc. In short, veganism objects to
the death of just one animal which others eat while turning a blind eye
to the thousands of dead animals which die to produce a vegan's diet.

YOu have no ****ing memory. Nothing is perfect. I have said I use
organic produce whenever possible.

Maybe it will put the meat manufacturing industry out of business


WTF do you think is the ultimate goal of those trying to make meat in
labs, dipshit? To *manufacture meat*.

and reduce the suffering of meat factories.



I agree "that" would be good.



Why are you agreeing with what you wrote, dumb ass?

That aspect would be good, even if I chose not to eat it.
I also would not chose to eat such things.



Choose. Why not? You already eat foods which are very much similar to
those either for yourself or for your shack-up girlfriend's granddaughter.

I don't want to be a guinea pig



You may as well be, Bob. After all, you claim to have been a vegan for
over 30 years and that you're over 50 years-old. That means you've been
orthorexic nearly your entire adult life for some very dubious reasons.
What are the results of your three decades of orthorexia? You have a
WOMAN'S DISEASE -- osteoporosis -- and you have to take B12 shots. You
are NOT the poster child for veganism's benefits and you really
shouldn't hold yourself up as one.


As you don't recall, perhaps you should be checked for Alzheimer's, my
brother who is a scientist and eats a "scientifically conceived" diet
has much worse osteoporosis than me. He eats a well rounded diet, as
you would call it, avoid saturated fats, and empty calories. But he
eats a variety of low fat meat and fish. I won't identify him, but he
is published in several fields.

In his early research days they managed to kill pigs on a diet mostly of
cream and butter. It sure got his attention.

I take B12 shots as a preventive measure. I specifically asked for
them, they were not proscribed. I am in the safe range, but would
prefer to be higher.




And I'm in a normal range.


You have a sickness
Bob

What about Pig Gestation boxes, where pigs are kept in boxes.



They're NOT boxes, they're stalls. Stop being a sycophant for
anti-farming activists. You're probably operating off disinformation
from the 2002 initiative to ban them in Florida.

The activists also suggested that passage of the amendment would
protect citizens from the influx of corporate hog farming. The
state of Florida lacks the infrastructure to support large hog
operations, he points out.

The new amendment will have little or no impact on hog farming,
declares Hall. The only two producers in the state using
gestation stalls are planning to phase out their operations, he
adds. The amendment goes into effect in 2008....

Kathy Chinn, chairman of the National Pork Boardís Animal
Welfare Committee, says it is too bad so many of Floridaís
voters lacked the benefit of scientific information or
understanding of animal care practices.

"They donít understand that our livelihood depends on the
welfare of our animals, and individually housing sows greatly
enhances their welfare," she states. "Sows are protected from
the aggressive nature of their neighbors."
http://nationalhogfarmer.com/news/fa...aws_gestation/

Pigs are smarter than dogs



They're certainly smarter than you.

There are no "meat factories." They're called farms. These scientists
will change that: reduced farms for real meat, factories for this
product which you shouldn't find objectionable on AR grounds since it
doesn't "harm" a "sentient being."



Tell that to chickens



Chickens don't understand any human language, you moron.

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Old 23-08-2005, 01:42 PM
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Beach Rambler wrote:
What will the AR and "ethical vegan" whiners do when this is
perfected? Have to learn logic and science?
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=4579

It's an emotional reaction, but it disgusts me.

Why?


After what you wrote, none of your ****ing business.


Poor baby. Specifically, which part set you off?

WHY DOES IT DISGUST YOU?


It reminds me of


Of what?

Does someone having moral beliefs make them a whiner?

You don't have any moral beliefs.


**** you.


Hehe. At least I have nothing to fear from your anger since you've
already admitted you're not man enough to attempt what you say should be
done to me.

You're wrong


Ipse dixit.


You love that phrase.


No, I use it when appropriate.

Your veganism/animal rights beliefs aren't moral. Veganism
is a pseudoethical system which pretends to be a "solution" which
reduces or eliminates a specific "problem." The fact, though, is that
veganism in nearly every instance exacerbates the problem it seeks to
solve. Veganism is predicated on the logical fallacy of denying the
antecedent: "if I don't eat meat (or consume dairy or wear fur, etc.),
animals don't suffer." Animals DO suffer and die to produce non-meat
foods through standard agricultural practices including the use of
machinery, irrigation, pesticides, etc. In short, veganism objects to
the death of just one animal which others eat while turning a blind
eye to the thousands of dead animals which die to produce a vegan's diet.


YOu have no ****ing memory. Nothing is perfect. I have said I use
organic produce whenever possible.


Organic produce is no different than conventional in the instances
above. Organic doesn't reduce animal suffering or death.

Maybe it will put the meat manufacturing industry out of business

WTF do you think is the ultimate goal of those trying to make meat
in labs, dipshit? To *manufacture meat*.

and reduce the suffering of meat factories.

I agree "that" would be good.


Why are you agreeing with what you wrote, dumb ass?


That aspect would be good, even if I chose not to eat it.


Why would it be good?

I also would not chose to eat such things.


Choose. Why not? You already eat foods which are very much similar to
those either for yourself or for your shack-up girlfriend's
granddaughter.

I don't want to be a guinea pig


You may as well be, Bob. After all, you claim to have been a vegan for
over 30 years and that you're over 50 years-old. That means you've
been orthorexic nearly your entire adult life for some very dubious
reasons. What are the results of your three decades of orthorexia? You
have a WOMAN'S DISEASE -- osteoporosis -- and you have to take B12
shots. You are NOT the poster child for veganism's benefits and you
really shouldn't hold yourself up as one.


As you don't recall, perhaps you should be checked for Alzheimer's, my
brother who is a scientist


No, he's a lawyer.

and eats a "scientifically conceived" diet
has much worse osteoporosis than me.


"than I." He's older than you are, too.

He eats a well rounded diet, as
you would call it, avoid saturated fats, and empty calories. But he
eats a variety of low fat meat and fish. I won't identify him, but he
is published in several fields.


Why does it matter if he's published?

In his early research days they managed to kill pigs on a diet mostly of
cream and butter. It sure got his attention.

I take B12 shots as a preventive measure. I specifically asked for
them, they were not proscribed.


Prescribed. I don't believe a doctor would give you B12 injections
unless you needed them.

I am in the safe range, but would
prefer to be higher.

And I'm in a normal range.


You're abnormal.

You have a sickness


No, I feel quite fine. Why did you ignore the following?

What about Pig Gestation boxes, where pigs are kept in boxes.


They're NOT boxes, they're stalls. Stop being a sycophant for
anti-farming activists. You're probably operating off disinformation
from the 2002 initiative to ban them in Florida.

The activists also suggested that passage of the amendment would
protect citizens from the influx of corporate hog farming. The
state of Florida lacks the infrastructure to support large hog
operations, he points out.

The new amendment will have little or no impact on hog farming,
declares Hall. The only two producers in the state using
gestation stalls are planning to phase out their operations, he
adds. The amendment goes into effect in 2008....

Kathy Chinn, chairman of the National Pork Boardís Animal
Welfare Committee, says it is too bad so many of Floridaís
voters lacked the benefit of scientific information or
understanding of animal care practices.

"They donít understand that our livelihood depends on the
welfare of our animals, and individually housing sows greatly
enhances their welfare," she states. "Sows are protected from
the aggressive nature of their neighbors."
http://nationalhogfarmer.com/news/fa...aws_gestation/


Why did you lie about gestation stalls?

Pigs are smarter than dogs


They're certainly smarter than you.

There are no "meat factories." They're called farms. These
scientists will change that: reduced farms for real meat, factories
for this product which you shouldn't find objectionable on AR
grounds since it doesn't "harm" a "sentient being."

Tell that to chickens


Chickens don't understand any human language, you moron.


When was the last time you tried to carry on a debate with a rooster? I
bet it strutted away the winner, bird brain. BTW, have you done the
water calculations for Mr Etter yet?


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