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NY Times US Meat Does not meet standards of health
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/op...html?th&emc=th
The New York Times August 13, 2005 Safer Beef Fears of another case of mad cow disease in the United States have faded for the time being because tests on the most recent suspect animal came back negative. But that is no reason to feel confident about the American beef supply. American cows still eat food that can potentially infect them with mad cow disease. American meatpackers use dangerous methods that other countries ban. And the United States Department of Agriculture does not require enough testing to ensure that American beef is completely safe. U.S.D.A. officials and spokesmen for the meatpacking industry argue that the public is protected by current safety procedures. The chance of human infection is indeed very low - but the disease that mad cow induces in human is always fatal, so extreme caution is warranted. The Agriculture Department is hamstrung by its dual and conflicting mission: to promote the nation's meat industry and to protect the consumer. It's clear which is winning. In April, Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns suggested that the mad cow rules might even be relaxed to allow companies to sell some cows too sick to walk for use in human food. Instead of reacting to the confirmation of a case of mad cow in June by fixing the remaining loopholes in the system, Mr. Johanns announced that he had eaten beef for lunch. Mad cow disease lurks in the animal's nervous system, and cows contract it by eating infected tissue. While cows are naturally herbivores, the beef industry turned them into cannibals by making meal ground from beef and beef bones a staple of the industrial cow's diet. In the wake of the British mad cow epidemic, the Food and Drug Administration banned beef and bone meal as cow feed. But it is tempting for farmers and feedlots to violate the feed ban because the meal is a cheap protein source and can be kept on hand to feed chickens and pigs. Cows are fed at a million different sites in America, and the Government Accountability Office criticizes the F.D.A.'s inspection regime as insufficient and ridden with loopholes. In addition, cattle blood, which is suspected of being able to carry infection, can legally be given to calves as part of a milk substitute. Industrial cows are also still fed material scooped from the bottom of chicken cages. The chicken manure is the safe part - spilled chicken feed, which can include the same beef and bone meal that has been banned as cow feed, is more dangerous. After the first case of mad cow disease was found in America in 2003, the U.S.D.A. tightened the rules to remove some potentially infective nervous system tissue from slaughterhouse processing lines so it wouldn't slip into the food supply or contaminate other meat. But some nervous system tissue is still permitted, as long as it comes from cows under 30 months old. This is not a perfect cutoff point - there have been cases of younger cows with mad cow disease in Britain and Japan. Nor can we be certain of a cow's age because the United States has no mandatory animal identification system, like the tattooing or ear tags used in other nations. Each slaughterhouse has workers who check cows for molars that erupt around 30 months. They also watch processing lines for brain and spinal cord tissue. The U.S.D.A. says its inspectors can ensure that companies protect the beef supply. But whistle-blowing meat inspectors contend that they lack the power to do their job, and that the agency lets companies pile up violations without any penalties. Boneless steaks and roasts are probably safe to eat. The riskiest meats are ground beef, hot dogs, taco fillings and pizza toppings - the things children love. These products can come out of "advanced meat recovery" machines: rubber fingers that strip a carcass clean. These machines are banned in Europe and Japan, and some American meatpackers have stopped using them. Still, there's no law against them, even though a U.S.D.A. study in 2002 found that only 12 percent of the plants it examined consistently produced meat from these machines that was clean of nervous system tissue. Regulations have been tightened, but they still allow the use of these machines to include nervous system tissue as long as it comes from young cows. Washington relies on its rules to keep mad cow disease out of the meat supply. But it doesn't test enough cows to know whether they work. America tests about 1 percent of the slaughtered cows, and recent experiences don't inspire confidence in the testing regime. The Agriculture Department initially said its tests on one of the two American cows found to be infected had shown the cow was healthy. The positive result came out only after the U.S.D.A.'s inspector general required British tests that the U.S.D.A. had said were unnecessary. European countries test all animals over a certain age, and until recently, Japan tested every cow. More than 60 countries have completely or partly banned American beef, including Japan, the largest importer. Wider testing would probably open these markets. Creekstone Farms, a Kansas slaughterhouse, announced last year that it wanted to test all its cows. The U.S.D.A., which controls the mad-cow testing kits, said no; apparently major slaughterhouses feared that universal testing by Creekstone would create pressure on them to do the same. Instead of winning other nations' trust by improving safety, Washington relies on clout. President Bush has personally lobbied Japan to accept American beef. Beef producers need not improve their safety practices when the Agriculture Department acts as their marketing arm. It is time for Americans to have the protection of a food safety agency separate from U.S.D.A. * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company |
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The basic problem, as McCain points out is that lobbying groups and
industry have too much power in American politics, so instead of working for public good, they follow their wallets. Beach Runner wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/op...html?th&emc=th > > The New York Times > August 13, 2005 > Safer Beef > > Fears of another case of mad cow disease in the United States have faded > for the time being because tests on the most recent suspect animal came > back negative. But that is no reason to feel confident about the > American beef supply. American cows still eat food that can potentially > infect them with mad cow disease. American meatpackers use dangerous > methods that other countries ban. And the United States Department of > Agriculture does not require enough testing to ensure that American beef > is completely safe. > > U.S.D.A. officials and spokesmen for the meatpacking industry argue that > the public is protected by current safety procedures. The chance of > human infection is indeed very low - but the disease that mad cow > induces in human is always fatal, so extreme caution is warranted. The > Agriculture Department is hamstrung by its dual and conflicting mission: > to promote the nation's meat industry and to protect the consumer. It's > clear which is winning. > > In April, Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns suggested that the mad cow > rules might even be relaxed to allow companies to sell some cows too > sick to walk for use in human food. Instead of reacting to the > confirmation of a case of mad cow in June by fixing the remaining > loopholes in the system, Mr. Johanns announced that he had eaten beef > for lunch. > > Mad cow disease lurks in the animal's nervous system, and cows contract > it by eating infected tissue. While cows are naturally herbivores, the > beef industry turned them into cannibals by making meal ground from beef > and beef bones a staple of the industrial cow's diet. In the wake of the > British mad cow epidemic, the Food and Drug Administration banned beef > and bone meal as cow feed. > > But it is tempting for farmers and feedlots to violate the feed ban > because the meal is a cheap protein source and can be kept on hand to > feed chickens and pigs. Cows are fed at a million different sites in > America, and the Government Accountability Office criticizes the > F.D.A.'s inspection regime as insufficient and ridden with loopholes. > > In addition, cattle blood, which is suspected of being able to carry > infection, can legally be given to calves as part of a milk substitute. > Industrial cows are also still fed material scooped from the bottom of > chicken cages. The chicken manure is the safe part - spilled chicken > feed, which can include the same beef and bone meal that has been banned > as cow feed, is more dangerous. > > After the first case of mad cow disease was found in America in 2003, > the U.S.D.A. tightened the rules to remove some potentially infective > nervous system tissue from slaughterhouse processing lines so it > wouldn't slip into the food supply or contaminate other meat. But some > nervous system tissue is still permitted, as long as it comes from cows > under 30 months old. > > This is not a perfect cutoff point - there have been cases of younger > cows with mad cow disease in Britain and Japan. Nor can we be certain of > a cow's age because the United States has no mandatory animal > identification system, like the tattooing or ear tags used in other > nations. Each slaughterhouse has workers who check cows for molars that > erupt around 30 months. They also watch processing lines for brain and > spinal cord tissue. > > The U.S.D.A. says its inspectors can ensure that companies protect the > beef supply. But whistle-blowing meat inspectors contend that they lack > the power to do their job, and that the agency lets companies pile up > violations without any penalties. > > Boneless steaks and roasts are probably safe to eat. The riskiest meats > are ground beef, hot dogs, taco fillings and pizza toppings - the things > children love. These products can come out of "advanced meat recovery" > machines: rubber fingers that strip a carcass clean. These machines are > banned in Europe and Japan, and some American meatpackers have stopped > using them. > > Still, there's no law against them, even though a U.S.D.A. study in 2002 > found that only 12 percent of the plants it examined consistently > produced meat from these machines that was clean of nervous system > tissue. Regulations have been tightened, but they still allow the use of > these machines to include nervous system tissue as long as it comes from > young cows. > > Washington relies on its rules to keep mad cow disease out of the meat > supply. But it doesn't test enough cows to know whether they work. > America tests about 1 percent of the slaughtered cows, and recent > experiences don't inspire confidence in the testing regime. The > Agriculture Department initially said its tests on one of the two > American cows found to be infected had shown the cow was healthy. The > positive result came out only after the U.S.D.A.'s inspector general > required British tests that the U.S.D.A. had said were unnecessary. > > European countries test all animals over a certain age, and until > recently, Japan tested every cow. More than 60 countries have completely > or partly banned American beef, including Japan, the largest importer. > Wider testing would probably open these markets. Creekstone Farms, a > Kansas slaughterhouse, announced last year that it wanted to test all > its cows. The U.S.D.A., which controls the mad-cow testing kits, said > no; apparently major slaughterhouses feared that universal testing by > Creekstone would create pressure on them to do the same. > > Instead of winning other nations' trust by improving safety, Washington > relies on clout. President Bush has personally lobbied Japan to accept > American beef. Beef producers need not improve their safety practices > when the Agriculture Department acts as their marketing arm. It is time > for Americans to have the protection of a food safety agency separate > from U.S.D.A. > > * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company |
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Beach Runner wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/op...html?th&emc=th > > The New York Times > August 13, 2005 > Safer Beef > > Fears of another case of mad cow disease in the United States have faded > for the time being because tests on the most recent suspect animal came > back negative. Two positive BSE cattle in all of US history. That's two cattle out of ~120,000,000 in just the last three years, or a known infection rate of 0.000001667% over that period. Any fears over such infinitesimal odds are irrational. |
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Bumbling Bob replied to his own post:
> The basic problem, Why do you reply to yourself so often, dummy? |
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usual suspect wrote: > Beach Runner wrote: > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/op...html?th&emc=th >> >> The New York Times >> August 13, 2005 >> Safer Beef >> >> Fears of another case of mad cow disease in the United States have >> faded for the time being because tests on the most recent suspect >> animal came back negative. > > > Two positive BSE cattle in all of US history. That's two cattle out of > ~120,000,000 in just the last three years, or a known infection rate of > 0.000001667% over that period. Any fears over such infinitesimal odds > are irrational. Ignored over the fact is that whistle blowers offer to take lie detector tests, to show that the tests are farces and don't meet standards. They also wouldn't allow an importer of Japanese beef to test each animal to meet their safety standards. It is also well known that many cattle feeders are either ignorant of the law, or simply disobey to increase profit. It's not the biggest danger, cancer and heart disease are much larger dangers. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/op...html?th&emc=th >>> >>> The New York Times >>> August 13, 2005 >>> Safer Beef >>> >>> Fears of another case of mad cow disease in the United States have >>> faded for the time being because tests on the most recent suspect >>> animal came back negative. >> >> Two positive BSE cattle in all of US history. That's two cattle out of >> ~120,000,000 in just the last three years, or a known infection rate >> of 0.000001667% over that period. Any fears over such infinitesimal >> odds are irrational. > > Ignored over the fact is that whistle blowers offer to take lie detector > tests, A polygraph exam, its results, or even an offer to take one, isn't _prima facie_ evidence of anything. > to show that the tests are farces and don't meet standards. The tests aren't a farce: without them, you'd have ZERO cases of BSE in the US to hang your hat upon rather than the two you do have. > They also wouldn't allow an importer of Japanese beef > to test each animal to meet their safety standards. The issue or situation isn't as you present it. There is *one* beef producer, Creekstone Farms, which wants its own separate, private testing regime of EVERY head it produces which would serve as a *MARKETING TOOL*, not as scientific verification of its safety. That's the primary objection by the USDA. The every-cow test issue is also a NON SEQUITUR: Japan banned ALL beef from the US, including beef from Creekstone. The testing regime Creekstone wants would not allow it or anyone else's meat back into Japan. If Japan were to fall for this MARKETING GIMMICK, it would establish a dangerous and expensive precedent whereby all cattle would have to be tested prior to export (and possibly of domestic sale). It's an unwise and unsound policy because there's no justification for testing 100% of cattle for BSE -- a point the Japanese themselves agreed was unwise with respect to US beef. Ultimately, it would likely scare away consumers because of the high incidence of initial false positives (such as the last "suspected" case, which was found to not be BSE). http://www.meatnews.com/index.cfm?fu...le&artNum=7273 > It is also well known Logical fallacy of appealing to popularity. Likewise, the rest of your BS was non sequitur. |
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