Vegan (alt.food.vegan) This newsgroup exists to share ideas and issues of concern among vegans. We are always happy to share our recipes- perhaps especially with omnivores who are simply curious- or even better, accomodating a vegan guest for a meal!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)   Report Post  
 
Posts: n/a
Default new

hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it
a try
i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6
years. anyone suprised?
i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the
fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was
obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes
instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries.

what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on public
schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my
children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little
people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread i
made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and their
little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's
arteries are hardened by 12.

-R


  #2 (permalink)   Report Post  
Steve
 
Posts: n/a
Default

wrote:
> hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it
> a try
> i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6
> years. anyone suprised?


Hi R;

When I was in school I worked at a few fast food places. When you need
money, you do what you have to do.

I recommend that all vegans read this link
http://www.veganhealth.org
and the one in my sig

In regards to newsgroups, if you set your newsreader to filter out cross
posts you will lose 85% of the noise. You can knock out 14% more by
filtering out 3-4 people. You will soon discover who they are.

What is left is not a lot, but it is good, some nice posts from some
nice people.

Congratulations on being vegan for 7 years!

Steve

Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html

Steve's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/

"The great American thought trap: It is not real
unless it can be seen on television or bought in a
shopping mall"


  #3 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

wrote:
> hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it
> a try
> i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6
> years. anyone suprised?


No, I'm not surprised that your life has stagnated at 21 in the mire of
veganism OR the drudgery of working at McD's. Why are you still working
a cash register after six years? Why haven't you become a manager?

> i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the
> fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was
> obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes
> instead of meat)


As you should be. It's not your duty to assume customers are trying to
"cut back on" anything.

> i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries.


Why? Did she say she didn't want minute amounts of animal parts included
in her meal? If so, why did you not warn her about the bun since it has
dairy?

> what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on public
> schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my
> children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little
> people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread i
> made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and their
> little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's
> arteries are hardened by 12.


And we'll see whose (NOT who's) hormones go bonkers because of the
phytoestrogens in soy.

See:
http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html

Rat pups, exposed to high doses of the plant estrogen coumestrol
(found in sunflower seeds and oil and alfalfa sprouts) through
their mother's milk, suffered permanent reproductive problems:
female pups when grown did not ovulate, and males had altered
mounting behavior and fewer ejaculations (2).
[Whitten, P., C. Lewis and F. Naftolin. 1993. A Phytoestrogen
diet induces the premature anovulatory syndrome in lactationally
exposed female rats. Biology of Reproduction 49:1117-21.]

Neonatal and immature rats exposed to coumestrol experienced
estrogen-related responses, such as premature estrous cycles.
Coumestrol also interrupted ovarian cycles in adult female rats
(3).
[Barrett, J. 1996. Phytoestrogens: Friends or Foes?
Environmental Health Perspectives 104:478-82.]

Newborn rats exposed to the phytoestrogen genistein (a compound
found in soy products), experienced altered hormone secretions
and the onset of puberty may have been delayed because female
rats were exposed to the compound as fetuses (3).
[Ibid.]

“In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
weeks of daily soya ingestion.”
[Supported by USPHS CA56273, CA65628, CA45181, John Sealy
Memorial Endowment Fund for Biomedical Research, American
Institute for Cancer Research grant 95B119, and NIH NCRR GCRC
grant M01 RR00073]

All above lifted from:
http://www.cheapbodybuildingsu pplements.com/articles/soyestrogen.shtml

Additionally, see:
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter6.htm
  #4 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

> wrote in message
.net...
> hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give

it
> a try
> i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6
> years. anyone suprised?
> i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the
> fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was
> obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes
> instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the

fries.
>
> what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on

public
> schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my
> children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little
> people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread

i
> made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and

their
> little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's
> arteries are hardened by 12.
>
> -R


Hi. Good luck with the trolls here.
Don't let them scare you off with
their insults or lies. If you're ever
looking for free vegan recipes
come visit my directory of recipe
sites listed below. Many of the
links there are vegan


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/


  #5 (permalink)   Report Post  
Beach Runner
 
Posts: n/a
Default

The will be a few trolls, nasty people like Unusual Suspects.
Please don't let him chase you away. This group is for you.


You will add years to your life and help the world. However, continue
to learn about nutrition! There are great sources.


Scented Nectar wrote:
> > wrote in message
> .net...
>
>>hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give

>
> it
>
>>a try
>>i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6
>>years. anyone suprised?
>>i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the
>>fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was
>>obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes
>>instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the

>
> fries.
>
>>what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on

>
> public
>
>>schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my
>>children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little
>>people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread

>
> i
>
>>made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and

>
> their
>
>>little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's
>>arteries are hardened by 12.
>>
>>-R

>
>
> Hi. Good luck with the trolls here.
> Don't let them scare you off with
> their insults or lies. If you're ever
> looking for free vegan recipes
> come visit my directory of recipe
> sites listed below. Many of the
> links there are vegan
>
>



  #6 (permalink)   Report Post  
rick
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
...
> The will be a few trolls, nasty people like Unusual Suspects.
> Please don't let him chase you away. This group is for you.
>
>
> You will add years to your life and help the world.

====================
Continuing the ly I see, eh killer? When you going to back up
your delusions?


However, continue
> to learn about nutrition! There are great sources.

=============
Yep, it's called meat. Far better for you and the environment
than all the petro-chemical laced veggies you eat now...


>
>
> Scented Nectar wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> .net...
>>
>>>hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i
>>>will give

>>
>> it
>>
>>>a try
>>>i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at
>>>mcdonalds for 6
>>>years. anyone suprised?
>>>i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is
>>>sugar in the
>>>fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a
>>>customer who was
>>>obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac
>>>with tomatoes
>>>instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to
>>>eat the

>>
>> fries.
>>
>>>what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the
>>>segment on

>>
>> public
>>
>>>schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would
>>>never make my
>>>children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will
>>>send my little
>>>people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole
>>>wheat bread

>>
>> i
>>
>>>made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds
>>>good) and

>>
>> their
>>
>>>little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun,
>>>we'll see who's
>>>arteries are hardened by 12.
>>>
>>>-R

>>
>>
>> Hi. Good luck with the trolls here.
>> Don't let them scare you off with
>> their insults or lies. If you're ever
>> looking for free vegan recipes
>> come visit my directory of recipe
>> sites listed below. Many of the
>> links there are vegan
>>


  #7 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Car-less, homebound pot-head Skanky wrote:
<...>
> Hi. Good luck with the trolls here.


Why did you even try to lie that you might own a car, Skanky?

If you're getting together somewhere accessable [sic]
by bus or subway, I would sure like to go. I have
no car though, so Markham's out for me, but I could
get to anywhere in Toronto itself.

http://tinyurl.com/d36ok

Re your agoraphobia, one of the mental health issues associated with
drug abuse -- even something as "mild" as marijuana -- is
depersonalization. This leads to anxiety disorders like agoraphobia. So
by continuing to smoke pot, you're only making yourself worse.

http://www.panicattacks.com.au/articles/marij.html
http://tinyurl.com/7tvjc
http://oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda/1997Main...7mfWeb-117.htm
Etc.

Between your drug-induced anxiety disorder and your fantasy-based
worldview (e.g., "veganics" is viable and will eventually become the
norm), I think you clearly need some serious couch time.
  #8 (permalink)   Report Post  
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I have a feling that i shouldn't reply to this but i will...
"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
> > hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give

it
> > a try
> > i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for

6
> > years. anyone suprised?

>
> No, I'm not surprised that your life has stagnated at 21 in the mire of
> veganism OR the drudgery of working at McD's. Why are you still working
> a cash register after six years? Why haven't you become a manager?


i am a manager, i am the resturant manager.
>
> > i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the
> > fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who

was
> > obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes
> > instead of meat)

>
> As you should be. It's not your duty to assume customers are trying to
> "cut back on" anything.


recent suits would argue differently, i didn't assume she was cutting back
i just informed her.

> > i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries.

>
> Why? Did she say she didn't want minute amounts of animal parts included
> in her meal? If so, why did you not warn her about the bun since it has
> dairy?

Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour,
thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, reduced iron), water, high
fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, yeast, contains
less than 2 % of each of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium
carbonate, calcium silicate, wheat gluten, soy flour, baking soda,
emulsifier (mono- and diglycerides, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of fatty
acids, ethanol, sorbitol, polysorbate 20, potassium propionate), sodium
stearoyl lactylate, dough conditioner (corn starch, ammonium chloride,
ammonium sulfate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide,
enzymes), calcium propionate (preservative
i will say that is a lot of junk but i think that for a budding vegan beef
is higher on the list then any of these chemicals. we have to start
somewhere.
>
> > what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on

public
> > schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make

my
> > children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my

little
> > people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat

bread i
> > made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and

their
> > little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see

who's
> > arteries are hardened by 12.

>
> And we'll see whose (NOT who's) hormones go bonkers because of the
> phytoestrogens in soy.
>

if i have baby rats i will keep that in mind. and i apoligize for my
spelling. i will blame it on being vegitarian. not eating meat affects the
ability to spell, expecially in the privacy of one's home while checking
e-mail in her underwear
> See:
>
http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html
>
> Rat pups, exposed to high doses of the plant estrogen coumestrol
> (found in sunflower seeds and oil and alfalfa sprouts) through
> their mother's milk, suffered permanent reproductive problems:
> female pups when grown did not ovulate, and males had altered
> mounting behavior and fewer ejaculations (2).
> [Whitten, P., C. Lewis and F. Naftolin. 1993. A Phytoestrogen
> diet induces the premature anovulatory syndrome in lactationally
> exposed female rats. Biology of Reproduction 49:1117-21.]
>
> Neonatal and immature rats exposed to coumestrol experienced
> estrogen-related responses, such as premature estrous cycles.
> Coumestrol also interrupted ovarian cycles in adult female rats
> (3).
> [Barrett, J. 1996. Phytoestrogens: Friends or Foes?
> Environmental Health Perspectives 104:478-82.]
>
> Newborn rats exposed to the phytoestrogen genistein (a compound
> found in soy products), experienced altered hormone secretions
> and the onset of puberty may have been delayed because female
> rats were exposed to the compound as fetuses (3).
> [Ibid.]
>
> “In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
> affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
> metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
> sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
> weeks of daily soya ingestion.”
> [Supported by USPHS CA56273, CA65628, CA45181, John Sealy
> Memorial Endowment Fund for Biomedical Research, American
> Institute for Cancer Research grant 95B119, and NIH NCRR GCRC
> grant M01 RR00073]
>
> All above lifted from:
> http://www.cheapbodybuildingsu pplements.com/articles/soyestrogen.shtml
>
> Additionally, see:
> http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html
> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter6.htm



  #9 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
news
> Car-less, homebound pot-head Skanky wrote:
> <...>
> > Hi. Good luck with the trolls here.

>
> Why did you even try to lie that you might own a car, Skanky?


Well Usual Shithead, I had no
car in 2003. Whether I have one
now, rent one, or borrow when
needed, you currently don't know.
You do know that I make regular
use of Toronto's very good transit
system, and that I sometimes
drive.

> If you're getting together somewhere accessable [sic]
> by bus or subway, I would sure like to go. I have
> no car though, so Markham's out for me, but I could
> get to anywhere in Toronto itself.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d36ok
>
> Re your agoraphobia, one of the mental health issues associated with
> drug abuse -- even something as "mild" as marijuana -- is
> depersonalization. This leads to anxiety disorders like agoraphobia. So
> by continuing to smoke pot, you're only making yourself worse.
>
> http://www.panicattacks.com.au/articles/marij.html
> http://tinyurl.com/7tvjc
> http://oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda/1997Main...7mfWeb-117.htm
> Etc.
>
> Between your drug-induced anxiety disorder and your fantasy-based
> worldview (e.g., "veganics" is viable and will eventually become the
> norm), I think you clearly need some serious couch time.


Personally I find that smoking
some pot relaxes me and does
not interfere with any of my
functioning outdoors. Maybe
that's because only some people
get anxiety from pot, or because
I only smoke when I'm indoors
for the night, I don't know. Pot
can intensify whatever mood
someone is in. So if there is
a tendency towards not liking
crowds like in my case, it might
intensify that. I don't want to
test that out personally. I only
smoke when I'm in a good
mood and comfortable
surroundings (like where I will
spend the night). If someone
like Rudy smoked pot, being
a psychopath, he would likely
go on a killing rampage, or
maybe just walk down the
street cussing at everyone
he passed that's not to his
liking.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/



  #10 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

wrote:
> I have a feling that i shouldn't reply to this but i will...


Why not? And from now on, please leave spaces between you replies and
that which you're replying. It makes it a lot easier to read what you wrote.

>>No, I'm not surprised that your life has stagnated at 21 in the mire of
>>veganism OR the drudgery of working at McD's. Why are you still working
>>a cash register after six years? Why haven't you become a manager?

>
> i am a manager, i am the resturant manager.


Congratulations.

>>As you should be. It's not your duty to assume customers are trying to
>>"cut back on" anything.

>
> recent suits would argue differently,


Lawsuits? Those aren't exactly recent. The settlement of the fries case
was a few years ago.

> i didn't assume she was cutting back
> i just informed her.


Why did you inform rather than ask?

>>>i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries.

>>
>>Why? Did she say she didn't want minute amounts of animal parts included
>>in her meal? If so, why did you not warn her about the bun since it has
>>dairy?

>
> Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour,
> thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, reduced iron), water, high
> fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, yeast, contains
> less than 2 % of each of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium
> carbonate, calcium silicate, wheat gluten, soy flour, baking soda,
> emulsifier (mono- and diglycerides, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of fatty
> acids, ethanol, sorbitol, polysorbate 20, potassium propionate), sodium
> stearoyl lactylate, dough conditioner (corn starch, ammonium chloride,
> ammonium sulfate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide,
> enzymes), calcium propionate (preservative
> i will say that is a lot of junk but i think that for a budding vegan beef
> is higher on the list then any of these chemicals. we have to start
> somewhere.


What chemicals?

>>And we'll see whose (NOT who's) hormones go bonkers because of the
>>phytoestrogens in soy.

>
> if i have baby rats i will keep that in mind.


The dangers extend beyond rats. To date, no studies have been done to
assess the risks to children. Did you read the first soy article I linked?

Here is is again:
http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html

Scroll down to the heading "Soy and Reproduction: Breeding Discontent."

> and i apoligize for my spelling.


You can hit your spell checker before hitting send.

> i will blame it on being vegitarian. not eating meat affects the
> ability to spell, expecially in the privacy of one's home while checking
> e-mail in her underwear


Hmmm. Are you hot?

<...>


  #11 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Scented Nectar wrote:
> Personally I find that smoking
> some pot relaxes me and does
> not interfere with any of my
> functioning outdoors.


Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors
appear to contradict your claims.

> Maybe
> that's because only some people
> get anxiety from pot, or because
> I only smoke when I'm indoors
> for the night,


I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're
afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle.

> I don't know.


You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it.

> Pot can intensify whatever mood
> someone is in.


So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users.

<...>
  #12 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Scented Nectar wrote:
> > Personally I find that smoking
> > some pot relaxes me and does
> > not interfere with any of my
> > functioning outdoors.

>
> Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors
> appear to contradict your claims.


As per usual, you don't know
what you're talking about. You
may think of it as anecdotal,
but to me it is first hand
experience.

> > Maybe
> > that's because only some people
> > get anxiety from pot, or because
> > I only smoke when I'm indoors
> > for the night,

>
> I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're
> afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle.


Whoa. I don't smoke because
of not liking crowds, so what
vicious cycle? It isn't a mind
numbing substance like booze.
Instead, it intensifies one's
mood.

> > I don't know.

>
> You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it.
>
> > Pot can intensify whatever mood
> > someone is in.

>
> So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users.


If I am finished my work and
chores for the day, and when
I am in for the night, it's my
relaxation time and I'm usually in
a very good mood. I get extra
mellow and happy when I
smoke. On the occasional
bad mood, I don't have the
desire to smoke. When I have
smoked during a bad mood,
it didn't make it worse but it
didn't make it better either,
so why bother? Waste of pot.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/


  #13 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>Personally I find that smoking
>>>some pot relaxes me and does
>>>not interfere with any of my
>>>functioning outdoors.

>>
>>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors
>>appear to contradict your claims.

>
> As per usual, you don't know
> what you're talking about. You
> may think of it as anecdotal,
> but to me it is first hand
> experience.


Which is the definition of anecdotal.

>>>Maybe
>>>that's because only some people
>>>get anxiety from pot, or because
>>>I only smoke when I'm indoors
>>>for the night,

>>
>>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're
>>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle.

>
> Whoa. I don't smoke because
> of not liking crowds,


You don't like crowds because you smoke.

> so what vicious cycle?


Your cycle of drug abuse and agoraphobia.

> It isn't a mind numbing substance


The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts
here. Your mind is clearly numbed.

> like booze.


Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?

> Instead, it intensifies one's
> mood.


So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users.

>>>I don't know.

>>
>>You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it.
>>
>>
>>>Pot can intensify whatever mood
>>>someone is in.

>>
>>So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users.

>
> If I am finished my work and
> chores for the day, and when
> I am in for the night, it's my
> relaxation time and I'm usually in
> a very good mood. I get extra
> mellow and happy when I
> smoke.


Because you like to escape reality.
  #14 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Scented Nectar wrote:
> >>>Personally I find that smoking
> >>>some pot relaxes me and does
> >>>not interfere with any of my
> >>>functioning outdoors.
> >>
> >>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors
> >>appear to contradict your claims.

> >
> > As per usual, you don't know
> > what you're talking about. You
> > may think of it as anecdotal,
> > but to me it is first hand
> > experience.

>
> Which is the definition of anecdotal.
>
> >>>Maybe
> >>>that's because only some people
> >>>get anxiety from pot, or because
> >>>I only smoke when I'm indoors
> >>>for the night,
> >>
> >>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're
> >>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle.

> >
> > Whoa. I don't smoke because
> > of not liking crowds,

>
> You don't like crowds because you smoke.


Nope. I've never liked crowds.
Long before I ever smoked pot.
When I smoke, I'm not even
thinking about crowds because
I responsibly only smoke in the
evenings when I am in for the
night. Once in a blue moon, if
I don't need to go out, I'll smoke
earlier.

> > so what vicious cycle?

>
> Your cycle of drug abuse and agoraphobia.


There is no cycle. Neither causes
the other. At least not with me.
There were a couple of exceptions
years ago to my evening only rule.
Once after toking, I had the
irresistable urge to go shopping.
I did, and didn't care about the
crowds and it was very fun.

> > It isn't a mind numbing substance

>
> The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts
> here. Your mind is clearly numbed.


If I post after smoking, my posts
still look fine the next day, when
I am 'sober'.

> > like booze.

>
> Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?


Many anti-pot people feel the
opposite about booze, despite
the greater amounts of violence,
accidents, etc. that can be
chalked up to booze.

> > Instead, it intensifies one's
> > mood.

>
> So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users.


When I'm in a good mood, it
intensifies that. It's in a very
gentle, mellow manner, or
maybe that's just how my
good moods are, and that's
the part that intensifies.

> >>>I don't know.
> >>
> >>You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Pot can intensify whatever mood
> >>>someone is in.
> >>
> >>So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users.

> >
> > If I am finished my work and
> > chores for the day, and when
> > I am in for the night, it's my
> > relaxation time and I'm usually in
> > a very good mood. I get extra
> > mellow and happy when I
> > smoke.

>
> Because you like to escape reality.


If anything, reality becomes even
more real while smoking pot. It
intensifies your current perceptions.
It's great for hobbies like painting
because you can really really get
into it. Reading a book comes
alive and vivid. Chatting and
relaxing with friends is extra fun.
Cooking is really fun, especially
with the tastebuds all primed
with a case of the munchies.



--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/



  #15 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>>Personally I find that smoking
>>>>>some pot relaxes me and does
>>>>>not interfere with any of my
>>>>>functioning outdoors.
>>>>
>>>>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors
>>>>appear to contradict your claims.
>>>
>>>As per usual, you don't know
>>>what you're talking about. You
>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>but to me it is first hand
>>>experience.

>>
>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.


Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."

>>>>>Maybe
>>>>>that's because only some people
>>>>>get anxiety from pot, or because
>>>>>I only smoke when I'm indoors
>>>>>for the night,
>>>>
>>>>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're
>>>>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle.
>>>
>>>Whoa. I don't smoke because
>>>of not liking crowds,

>>
>>You don't like crowds because you smoke.

>
> Nope. I've never liked crowds.
> Long before I ever smoked pot.


Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?

> When I smoke, I'm not even
> thinking about crowds


You're not thinking about ANYTHING when you smoke your pot. You're only
trying to escape reality.

> Once after toking, I had the
> irresistable urge to go shopping.
> I did,


So not only do you abuse drugs and have agoraphobia, you're also
impulsive (at least when you get stoned). You've said in the past you
believe your drug use to be healthy despite the evidence presented about
the dangers of the smoke itself, nevermind the deleterious effects to
your mental health. How is it healthy?

>>>It isn't a mind numbing substance

>>
>>The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts
>>here. Your mind is clearly numbed.

>
> If I post after smoking, my posts
> still look fine the next day, when
> I am 'sober'.


That means you're as jellyheaded as I thought you were.

>>>like booze.

>>
>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?

>
> Many anti-pot people feel the
> opposite about booze,


Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
your mind.

>>>Instead, it intensifies one's
>>>mood.

>>
>>So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users.

>
> When I'm in a good mood,


You've claimed, like other nitwitted pot-heads, that marijuana abuse
mellows people. Now you suggest it intensifies regardless of what kind
mood one is is: easy-going, violent, etc. Make up your braincell.

>>>If I am finished my work and
>>>chores for the day, and when
>>>I am in for the night, it's my
>>>relaxation time and I'm usually in
>>>a very good mood. I get extra
>>>mellow and happy when I
>>>smoke.

>>
>>Because you like to escape reality.

>
> If anything, reality becomes even
> more real while smoking pot.


No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness.
That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality.

> It intensifies your current perceptions.


Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality.

<...>


  #16 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Scented Nectar wrote:
> >>>>>Personally I find that smoking
> >>>>>some pot relaxes me and does
> >>>>>not interfere with any of my
> >>>>>functioning outdoors.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse

counselors
> >>>>appear to contradict your claims.
> >>>
> >>>As per usual, you don't know
> >>>what you're talking about. You
> >>>may think of it as anecdotal,
> >>>but to me it is first hand
> >>>experience.
> >>
> >>Which is the definition of anecdotal.

>
> Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
> indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."


We aren't talking about what
some users out of a group
experience, we are talking
about what I personally
experience. Anecdotal or
not, it's factual.

> >>>>>Maybe
> >>>>>that's because only some people
> >>>>>get anxiety from pot, or because
> >>>>>I only smoke when I'm indoors
> >>>>>for the night,
> >>>>
> >>>>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're
> >>>>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle.
> >>>
> >>>Whoa. I don't smoke because
> >>>of not liking crowds,
> >>
> >>You don't like crowds because you smoke.

> >
> > Nope. I've never liked crowds.
> > Long before I ever smoked pot.

>
> Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?


Why haven't you sought counselling
for your vegaphobia?

> > When I smoke, I'm not even
> > thinking about crowds

>
> You're not thinking about ANYTHING when you smoke your pot. You're only
> trying to escape reality.


Dave's not here, man.

> > Once after toking, I had the
> > irresistable urge to go shopping.
> > I did,

>
> So not only do you abuse drugs and have agoraphobia, you're also
> impulsive (at least when you get stoned). You've said in the past you
> believe your drug use to be healthy despite the evidence presented about
> the dangers of the smoke itself, nevermind the deleterious effects to
> your mental health. How is it healthy?


I would have had the urge to
shop whether or not I toked.
I had fun and I don't feel guilt.
I came home with some great
stuff too.

> >>>It isn't a mind numbing substance
> >>
> >>The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts
> >>here. Your mind is clearly numbed.

> >
> > If I post after smoking, my posts
> > still look fine the next day, when
> > I am 'sober'.

>
> That means you're as jellyheaded as I thought you were.
>
> >>>like booze.
> >>
> >>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?

> >
> > Many anti-pot people feel the
> > opposite about booze,

>
> Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
> instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
> is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
> your mind.


Why are you asuming I abuse
pot rather than use it? What
addiction? I think we have a
case of Reefer Madness
mindset.

> >>>Instead, it intensifies one's
> >>>mood.
> >>
> >>So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users.

> >
> > When I'm in a good mood,

>
> You've claimed, like other nitwitted pot-heads, that marijuana abuse
> mellows people. Now you suggest it intensifies regardless of what kind
> mood one is is: easy-going, violent, etc. Make up your braincell.


I don't know any violent people
well enough to know what they
are like when they smoke pot.
I don't plan on ever knowing it
first hand. No one I have ever
hung out with is violent. The
most violence in my life is this
newsgroup! You trolls and
your insults are the most
violently insane sounding
people I have ever 'met'.

> >>>If I am finished my work and
> >>>chores for the day, and when
> >>>I am in for the night, it's my
> >>>relaxation time and I'm usually in
> >>>a very good mood. I get extra
> >>>mellow and happy when I
> >>>smoke.
> >>
> >>Because you like to escape reality.

> >
> > If anything, reality becomes even
> > more real while smoking pot.

>
> No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness.
> That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality.


I'm speaking from first hand
knowledge. You're not. I
don't detach.

> > It intensifies your current perceptions.

>
> Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality.


I agree and if an insane person
smokes pot, they will probably
still be insane after. Maybe a
little mellower though.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/



  #17 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
> Dave's not here, man.


I should have put the above into
quotes and properly attributed it
to Cheech and Chong. Tokers
from my age group will recognize
the movie quote. It's not refering
to any Daves on this group.


  #18 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Skanky wrote:
<...>
>>>>>As per usual, you don't know
>>>>>what you're talking about. You
>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>>>but to me it is first hand
>>>>>experience.
>>>>
>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.

>>
>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."

>
> We aren't talking about what
> some users out of a group
> experience, we are talking
> about what I personally
> experience. Anecdotal or
> not, it's factual.


Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,
which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse.

<...>
>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?

>
> Why haven't you sought counselling
> for your vegaphobia?


Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense.

<...>
>>>>>like booze.
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?
>>>
>>>Many anti-pot people feel the
>>>opposite about booze,

>>
>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
>>your mind.

>
> Why are you asuming


Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If
someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be
worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on
the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least
one physically and mentally deleterious habit.

<...>
>>>>Because you like to escape reality.
>>>
>>>If anything, reality becomes even
>>>more real while smoking pot.

>>
>>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness.
>>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality.

>
> I'm speaking from first hand
> knowledge.


Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we
know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions.

> You're not.


I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's
effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your
subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction
forms its own bias.

> I don't detach.


You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when
you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming
commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me
to question your sanity and grasp of reality.

>>>It intensifies your current perceptions.

>>
>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality.

>
> I agree


Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality.
  #19 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Skanky wrote:
> <...>
> >>>>>As per usual, you don't know
> >>>>>what you're talking about. You
> >>>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
> >>>>>but to me it is first hand
> >>>>>experience.
> >>>>
> >>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.
> >>
> >>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
> >>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."

> >
> > We aren't talking about what
> > some users out of a group
> > experience, we are talking
> > about what I personally
> > experience. Anecdotal or
> > not, it's factual.

>
> Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,
> which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse.


Oh no, my computer screen is
blurring into psychedelic designs!!!

> >>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?

> >
> > Why haven't you sought counselling
> > for your vegaphobia?

>
> Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense.


You have orthorexia. That's why
you can't believe that others can
be vegan without the illness.

> >>>>>like booze.
> >>>>
> >>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?
> >>>
> >>>Many anti-pot people feel the
> >>>opposite about booze,
> >>
> >>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
> >>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
> >>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
> >>your mind.

> >
> > Why are you asuming

>
> Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If
> someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be
> worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on
> the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least
> one physically and mentally deleterious habit.


Stop snipping the sentence that
you are replying to, idiot.

> >>>>Because you like to escape reality.
> >>>
> >>>If anything, reality becomes even
> >>>more real while smoking pot.
> >>
> >>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness.
> >>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality.

> >
> > I'm speaking from first hand
> > knowledge.

>
> Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we
> know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions.


I know how it affects me, and
that's what counts.

> > You're not.

>
> I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's
> effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your
> subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction
> forms its own bias.


There's no addiction. Whenever
I don't smoke for a week or so,
there is no withdrawal, no longing,
etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
before I have to smack you or
something.

> > I don't detach.

>
> You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when
> you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming
> commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me
> to question your sanity and grasp of reality.
>
> >>>It intensifies your current perceptions.
> >>
> >>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from

reality.
> >
> > I agree

>
> Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality.


You want me to agree with your
misinformed viewpoints? I don't
think so. Why are you snipping
the sentences that you are
responding to? Is it because
you cannot answer them? The
above quote is a good example.
What are you trying to do? Lick
Rudy's balls? You've picked up
some bad habits (or is that
addictions).


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/



  #20 (permalink)   Report Post  
Derek
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>
>There's no addiction. Whenever
>I don't smoke for a week or so,
>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
>before I have to smack you or
>something.


Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath



  #21 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >

wrote:
> >
> >There's no addiction. Whenever
> >I don't smoke for a week or so,
> >there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> >before I have to smack you or
> >something.

>
> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
> ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath


That's a very good oath and one
I agree with totally. As for number
12 though, I can only take the info
secondhand that there's no
violence involved in the growing.
As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
is grown locally and nonviolently,
but I can't swear to it, as I've
never been inside a growhouse.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/


  #22 (permalink)   Report Post  
Derek
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:25 -0400, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>"Derek" > wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >wrote:
>> >
>> >There's no addiction. Whenever
>> >I don't smoke for a week or so,
>> >there is no withdrawal, no longing,
>> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
>> >before I have to smack you or
>> >something.

>>
>> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
>> ignore him, if you agree with it and want to, of course.
>> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath

>
>That's a very good oath and one
>I agree with totally. As for number
>12 though, I can only take the info
>secondhand that there's no
>violence involved in the growing.
>As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
>is grown locally and nonviolently,
>but I can't swear to it, as I've
>never been inside a growhouse.


Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of
spider mite very little violence goes on in them.
  #23 (permalink)   Report Post  
cricket
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:25 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >

wrote:
> >"Derek" > wrote in message

...
> >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar"

>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >There's no addiction. Whenever
> >> >I don't smoke for a week or so,
> >> >there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> >> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> >> >before I have to smack you or
> >> >something.
> >>
> >> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
> >> ignore him, if you agree with it and want to, of course.
> >> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath

> >
> >That's a very good oath and one
> >I agree with totally. As for number
> >12 though, I can only take the info
> >secondhand that there's no
> >violence involved in the growing.
> >As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
> >is grown locally and nonviolently,
> >but I can't swear to it, as I've
> >never been inside a growhouse.

>
> Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of
> spider mite very little violence goes on in them.


they may have a mad-tight game of spades occationally too. i hear those
games can get pretty heated.


  #24 (permalink)   Report Post  
C. James Strutz
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Skanky wrote:
> <...>
>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know
>>>>>>what you're talking about. You
>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>>>>but to me it is first hand
>>>>>>experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.
>>>
>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."

>>
>> We aren't talking about what
>> some users out of a group
>> experience, we are talking
>> about what I personally
>> experience. Anecdotal or
>> not, it's factual.

>
> Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,


Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's own
perceptions? Self perception is mostly a matter of honesty and not clouded
by some flighty notion of marijuana induced mind distortions.

> which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse.


An exaggeration. Occasional dope smoking doesn't qualify as chronic drug
abuse just as an occasional drink doesn't qualify as alcoholism. I'm not
surprised, however, that you consistently use exaggerations, lies, and
omissions to support your positions. You are not credible.

>>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?

>>
>> Why haven't you sought counselling
>> for your vegaphobia?

>
> Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense.


I don't know, "vegaphobia" is as descriptive of you as anything I could
think of. Well, "prick" comes pretty close.

>>>>>>like booze.
>>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?
>>>>
>>>>Many anti-pot people feel the
>>>>opposite about booze,
>>>
>>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
>>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
>>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
>>>your mind.

>>
>> Why are you asuming

>
> Stop changing the subject.


Your subject is invalid. You are assuming that she has an addiction problem
and that her mind will be "free" if she stops. Where do you get that "free
your mind" stuff - hillarious.

> You constantly view things in the extreme.


pot-kettle-black...

> I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least one physically and
> mentally deleterious habit.


Why not, you have psychosis.

>> I don't detach.

>
> You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when you
> started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming commercially
> viable.


> You've raised other issues which have also led me to question your sanity
> and grasp of reality.


Ha, that from the guy who writes "free your mind".

>>>>It intensifies your current perceptions.
>>>
>>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality.

>>
>> I agree

>
> Then stop disagreeing


????




  #25 (permalink)   Report Post  
Derek
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:57:20 GMT, "cricket" > wrote:
>"Derek" > wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:25 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >wrote:
>> >"Derek" > wrote in message ...
>> >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >There's no addiction. Whenever
>> >> >I don't smoke for a week or so,
>> >> >there is no withdrawal, no longing,
>> >> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
>> >> >before I have to smack you or
>> >> >something.
>> >>
>> >> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
>> >> ignore him, if you agree with it and want to, of course.
>> >> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath
>> >
>> >That's a very good oath and one
>> >I agree with totally. As for number
>> >12 though, I can only take the info
>> >secondhand that there's no
>> >violence involved in the growing.
>> >As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
>> >is grown locally and nonviolently,
>> >but I can't swear to it, as I've
>> >never been inside a growhouse.

>>
>> Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of
>> spider mite very little violence goes on in them.

>
>they may have a mad-tight game of spades occationally too. i hear those
>games can get pretty heated.


Things soon pitter down to a wheeze again once the
coughing fits pass.


  #26 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Skanky wrote:
<...>
>>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know
>>>>>>>what you're talking about. You
>>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>>>>>but to me it is first hand
>>>>>>>experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.
>>>>
>>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
>>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."
>>>
>>>We aren't talking about what
>>>some users out of a group
>>>experience, we are talking
>>>about what I personally
>>>experience. Anecdotal or
>>>not, it's factual.

>>
>>Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,
>>which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse.

>
> Oh no,


Oh, yes.

>>>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?
>>>
>>>Why haven't you sought counselling
>>>for your vegaphobia?

>>
>>Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense.

>
> You have orthorexia.


No, I don't. You do, and you have agoraphobia, chemical dependency, and
other dysfunctions indicated by your lack of contact with reality.

> That's why you can't believe that others can
> be vegan without the illness.


Vegetarians can be mentally healthy and very well-adjusted, but vegans
are inherently imbalanced with regard to diet (and worldview).

>>>>>>>like booze.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?
>>>>>
>>>>>Many anti-pot people feel the
>>>>>opposite about booze,
>>>>
>>>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
>>>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
>>>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
>>>>your mind.
>>>
>>>Why are you asuming

>>
>>Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If
>>someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be
>>worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on
>>the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least
>>one physically and mentally deleterious habit.

>
>
> Stop


Stop changing the subject.

>>>>>>Because you like to escape reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>If anything, reality becomes even
>>>>>more real while smoking pot.
>>>>
>>>>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness.
>>>>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality.
>>>
>>>I'm speaking from first hand
>>>knowledge.

>>
>>Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we
>>know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions.

>
> I know how it affects me, and
> that's what counts.


You're a mental defective, as we know from your admissions of chronic
drug use and agoraphobia. Your perceptions are altered by drugs. Your
subjective experiences are NOT objective. Objectively, you continue to
harm yourself despite evidence shown to you about the effects of
inhaling smoke as well as the long-term effects of smoking pot on the mind.

>>>You're not.

>>
>>I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's
>>effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your
>>subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction
>>forms its own bias.

>
> There's no addiction.


Yes, there is.

> Whenever I don't smoke for a week or so,


That's not long enough to tell.

> there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> before I have to smack you or
> something.


You wouldn't dare, bitch.

>>>I don't detach.

>>
>>You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when
>>you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming
>>commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me
>>to question your sanity and grasp of reality.
>>
>>
>>>>>It intensifies your current perceptions.
>>>>
>>>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from

>
> reality.
>
>>>I agree

>>
>>Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality.

>
> You want me to agree


The facts are the same whether you agree with them or not, retard. Your
altered perceptions have NOTHING to do with reality.
  #27 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Clueless Skanky wrote:
>>>There's no addiction. Whenever
>>>I don't smoke for a week or so,
>>>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
>>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
>>>before I have to smack you or
>>>something.

>>
>>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
>>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
>>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath

>
> That's a very good oath and one
> I agree with totally.


Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather
than FACTS (reality)?

> As for number 12 though, I can only take the info
> secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing.


"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
from within."

RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html

"This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
province," said Algar.

"Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."

Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
more assistance from private companies and individuals in
dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
risk.
http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk

And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold
in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border
continues to escalate.
http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html

> As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
> is grown locally


Wrong.

> and nonviolently,


VERY wrong.

> but I can't swear to it,


No shit.

> as I've never been inside a growhouse.


Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture
in general.
  #28 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Claire's fat-**** of an Uncle Dreck wrote:
>>That's a very good oath and one
>>I agree with totally. As for number
>>12 though, I can only take the info
>>secondhand that there's no
>>violence involved in the growing.
>>As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
>>is grown locally and nonviolently,
>>but I can't swear to it, as I've
>>never been inside a growhouse.

>
> Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of
> spider mite very little violence goes on in them.


Ipse dixit, liar.

"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
from within."

RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html

"This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
province," said Algar.

"Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."

Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
more assistance from private companies and individuals in
dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
risk.
http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk
  #29 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

C. James Putz wrote:
>>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know
>>>>>>>what you're talking about. You
>>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>>>>>but to me it is first hand
>>>>>>>experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.
>>>>
>>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
>>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."
>>>
>>>We aren't talking about what
>>>some users out of a group
>>>experience, we are talking
>>>about what I personally
>>>experience. Anecdotal or
>>>not, it's factual.

>>
>>Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,

>
> Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's own
> perceptions?


The issue, dumb ass, was her rejection of the term "anecdotal" for that.

<snip irrelevant attempts to stir shit>
  #30 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Skanky wrote:
> <...>
> >>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know
> >>>>>>>what you're talking about. You
> >>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal,
> >>>>>>>but to me it is first hand
> >>>>>>>experience.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal.
> >>>>
> >>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
> >>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."
> >>>
> >>>We aren't talking about what
> >>>some users out of a group
> >>>experience, we are talking
> >>>about what I personally
> >>>experience. Anecdotal or
> >>>not, it's factual.
> >>
> >>Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,
> >>which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse.

> >
> > Oh no,

>
> Oh, yes.


Reefer madness. Hide your kids!

> >>>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia?
> >>>
> >>>Why haven't you sought counselling
> >>>for your vegaphobia?
> >>
> >>Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense.

> >
> > You have orthorexia.

>
> No, I don't. You do, and you have agoraphobia, chemical dependency, and
> other dysfunctions indicated by your lack of contact with reality.


I'm in full contact with reality every
moment that I'm not asleep.

> > That's why you can't believe that others can
> > be vegan without the illness.

>
> Vegetarians can be mentally healthy and very well-adjusted, but vegans
> are inherently imbalanced with regard to diet (and worldview).
>
> >>>>>>>like booze.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Many anti-pot people feel the
> >>>>>opposite about booze,
> >>>>
> >>>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness
> >>>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse
> >>>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free
> >>>>your mind.
> >>>
> >>>Why are you asuming
> >>
> >>Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If
> >>someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be
> >>worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on
> >>the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least
> >>one physically and mentally deleterious habit.

> >
> >
> > Stop

>
> Stop changing the subject.


No, you stop snipping first.

> >>>>>>Because you like to escape reality.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If anything, reality becomes even
> >>>>>more real while smoking pot.
> >>>>
> >>>>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness.
> >>>>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality.
> >>>
> >>>I'm speaking from first hand
> >>>knowledge.
> >>
> >>Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we
> >>know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions.

> >
> > I know how it affects me, and
> > that's what counts.

>
> You're a mental defective, as we know from your admissions of chronic
> drug use and agoraphobia. Your perceptions are altered by drugs. Your
> subjective experiences are NOT objective. Objectively, you continue to
> harm yourself despite evidence shown to you about the effects of
> inhaling smoke as well as the long-term effects of smoking pot on the

mind.

You really do have a case of
Reefer Madness. Do you also
believe that enemies of the States
are out to poison your bodily fluids?
Do you receive radio signals in
your head and have to use tin
foil to avoid them?

> >>>You're not.
> >>
> >>I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's
> >>effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your
> >>subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction
> >>forms its own bias.

> >
> > There's no addiction.

>
> Yes, there is.


Nope.

> > Whenever I don't smoke for a week or so,

>
> That's not long enough to tell.


Sure it is.

> > there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> > etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> > before I have to smack you or
> > something.

>
> You wouldn't dare, bitch.


Oh yes I would, you dumb prick.

> >>>I don't detach.
> >>
> >>You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when
> >>you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming
> >>commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me
> >>to question your sanity and grasp of reality.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>It intensifies your current perceptions.
> >>>>
> >>>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from

> >
> > reality.
> >
> >>>I agree
> >>
> >>Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality.

> >
> > You want me to agree

>
> The facts are the same whether you agree with them or not, retard. Your
> altered perceptions have NOTHING to do with reality.


Thankfully not YOUR reality.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/





  #31 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Clueless Skanky wrote:
> >>>There's no addiction. Whenever
> >>>I don't smoke for a week or so,
> >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> >>>before I have to smack you or
> >>>something.
> >>
> >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
> >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
> >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath

> >
> > That's a very good oath and one
> > I agree with totally.

>
> Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather
> than FACTS (reality)?
>
> > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info
> > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing.

>
> "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
> who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
> Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
> and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
> million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
> we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
> from within."
>
> RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
> trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
> last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
> pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
> marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
> Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
> semiautomatic weapon on himself.
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html
>
> "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
> province," said Algar.
>
> "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
> what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
> what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."
>
> Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
> more assistance from private companies and individuals in
> dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
> neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
> risk.
> http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk
>
> And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold
> in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border
> continues to escalate.
> http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html
>
> > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
> > is grown locally

>
> Wrong.
>
> > and nonviolently,

>
> VERY wrong.
>
> > but I can't swear to it,

>
> No shit.
>
> > as I've never been inside a growhouse.

>
> Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture
> in general.


Time to hold a vote. All those who
think Usual Idiot should himself
imbibe in something relaxing so
that he won't be so uptight and
annoying, raise your hands.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/



  #32 (permalink)   Report Post  
cricket
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Clueless Skanky wrote:
> >>>There's no addiction. Whenever
> >>>I don't smoke for a week or so,
> >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> >>>before I have to smack you or
> >>>something.
> >>
> >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
> >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
> >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath

> >
> > That's a very good oath and one
> > I agree with totally.

>
> Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather
> than FACTS (reality)?
>
> > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info
> > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing.

>
> "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
> who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
> Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
> and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
> million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
> we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
> from within."
>
> RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
> trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
> last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
> pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
> marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
> Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
> semiautomatic weapon on himself.
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html
>
> "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
> province," said Algar.
>
> "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
> what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
> what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."
>
> Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
> more assistance from private companies and individuals in
> dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
> neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
> risk.
> http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk
>
> And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold
> in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border
> continues to escalate.
> http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html
>
> > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
> > is grown locally

>
> Wrong.
>
> > and nonviolently,

>
> VERY wrong.
>
> > but I can't swear to it,

>
> No shit.
>
> > as I've never been inside a growhouse.

>
> Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture
> in general.


where do you live? i grew up on a farm in ohio. it dosn't get a whole lot
more rual then that. and even though i moved to the city i still have a
garden where i grow every thing i can for myself.

and you would be suprised how many farmers who have hudreds of acres of
crops have very little know how about what they are doing and why, and even
how to to it by hand if they had to just to support their family.
it's sad.


  #33 (permalink)   Report Post  
cricket
 
Posts: n/a
Default

*hand* even if is just a cup of coffee or twislers.
"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
...
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Clueless Skanky wrote:
> > >>>There's no addiction. Whenever
> > >>>I don't smoke for a week or so,
> > >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> > >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> > >>>before I have to smack you or
> > >>>something.
> > >>
> > >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
> > >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.

> >
>>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath
> > >
> > > That's a very good oath and one
> > > I agree with totally.

> >
> > Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather
> > than FACTS (reality)?
> >
> > > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info
> > > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing.

> >
> > "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
> > who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
> > Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
> > and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
> > million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
> > we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
> > from within."
> >
> > RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
> > trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
> > last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
> > pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
> > marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
> > Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
> > semiautomatic weapon on himself.
> > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html
> >
> > "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
> > province," said Algar.
> >
> > "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
> > what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
> > what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."
> >
> > Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
> > more assistance from private companies and individuals in
> > dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
> > neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
> > risk.
> > http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk
> >
> > And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold
> > in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border
> > continues to escalate.
> > http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html
> >
> > > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
> > > is grown locally

> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > > and nonviolently,

> >
> > VERY wrong.
> >
> > > but I can't swear to it,

> >
> > No shit.
> >
> > > as I've never been inside a growhouse.

> >
> > Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture
> > in general.

>
> Time to hold a vote. All those who
> think Usual Idiot should himself
> imbibe in something relaxing so
> that he won't be so uptight and
> annoying, raise your hands.
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
>
>
>



  #34 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"cricket" > wrote in message
k.net...
> *hand* even if is just a cup of coffee or twislers.


I was thinking sedatives. But
coffee sounds good too.

> "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Clueless Skanky wrote:
> > > >>>There's no addiction. Whenever
> > > >>>I don't smoke for a week or so,
> > > >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
> > > >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
> > > >>>before I have to smack you or
> > > >>>something.
> > > >>
> > > >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
> > > >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
> > >
> >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath
> > > >
> > > > That's a very good oath and one
> > > > I agree with totally.
> > >
> > > Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather
> > > than FACTS (reality)?
> > >
> > > > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info
> > > > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing.
> > >
> > > "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
> > > who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
> > > Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
> > > and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
> > > million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
> > > we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
> > > from within."
> > >
> > > RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
> > > trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
> > > last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
> > > pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
> > > marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
> > > Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
> > > semiautomatic weapon on himself.
> > > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html
> > >
> > > "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
> > > province," said Algar.
> > >
> > > "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
> > > what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
> > > what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."
> > >
> > > Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
> > > more assistance from private companies and individuals in
> > > dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
> > > neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
> > > risk.
> > > http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk
> > >
> > > And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being

sold
> > > in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas

border
> > > continues to escalate.
> > > http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html
> > >
> > > > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
> > > > is grown locally
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > > and nonviolently,
> > >
> > > VERY wrong.
> > >
> > > > but I can't swear to it,
> > >
> > > No shit.
> > >
> > > > as I've never been inside a growhouse.
> > >
> > > Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about

agriculture
> > > in general.

> >
> > Time to hold a vote. All those who
> > think Usual Idiot should himself
> > imbibe in something relaxing so
> > that he won't be so uptight and
> > annoying, raise your hands.
> >
> >
> > --
> > SN
> > http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> >
> >
> >

>
>




  #35 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

cricket wrote:
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clueless Skanky wrote:
>>
>>>>>There's no addiction. Whenever
>>>>>I don't smoke for a week or so,
>>>>>there is no withdrawal, no longing,
>>>>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit
>>>>>before I have to smack you or
>>>>>something.
>>>>
>>>>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then
>>>>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course.
>>>>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath
>>>
>>>That's a very good oath and one
>>>I agree with totally.

>>
>>Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather
>>than FACTS (reality)?
>>
>>
>>>As for number 12 though, I can only take the info
>>>secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing.

>>
>>"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson,
>>who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called
>>Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people
>>and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4
>>million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what
>>we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate
>>from within."
>>
>>RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence,
>>trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers
>>last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a
>>pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the
>>marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim
>>Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
>>semiautomatic weapon on himself.
>>http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html
>>
>>"This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the
>>province," said Algar.
>>
>>"Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen
>>what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced
>>what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces."
>>
>>Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for
>>more assistance from private companies and individuals in
>>dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential
>>neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire
>>risk.
>>http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk
>>
>>And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold
>>in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border
>>continues to escalate.
>>http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html
>>
>>
>>>As far as I know, all pot in Ontario
>>>is grown locally

>>
>>Wrong.
>>
>>
>>>and nonviolently,

>>
>>VERY wrong.
>>
>>
>>>but I can't swear to it,

>>
>>No shit.
>>
>>
>>>as I've never been inside a growhouse.

>>
>>Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture
>>in general.

>
> where do you live?


Austin, Texas.

> i grew up on a farm in ohio.


I am a simple farm girl from
Quebec, we are esily confused.
- "cricket" 8/7/2005

Clearly so. Which is it?

> it dosn't get a whole lot
> more rual then that.


Did your family grow marijuana, which is the issue at hand?

> and even though i moved to the city i still have a
> garden where i grow every thing i can for myself.


You're a few steps ahead of the rank hypocrite Skanky.

> and you would be suprised how many farmers who have hudreds of acres of
> crops have very little know how about what they are doing and why,


I would be surprised if you were right. I was born in a farming
community and many of my family are still in agriculture.

> and even
> how to to it by hand if they had to just to support their family.
> it's sad.


Not as sad as your childhood memories. Did you grow up in Quebec or Ohio?


  #36 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Skanky wrote:
> I was thinking sedatives.


You toke enough weed, Skanky. You don't need sedatives, too.
  #37 (permalink)   Report Post  
Scented Nectar
 
Posts: n/a
Default

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. .
> Skanky wrote:
> > I was thinking sedatives.

>
> You toke enough weed, Skanky. You don't need sedatives, too.


Who's talking about ME taking
sedatives. We were talking about
you


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/



  #38 (permalink)   Report Post  
Beach Runner
 
Posts: n/a
Default



usual suspect wrote:

> C. James Putz wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> As per usual, you don't know
>>>>>>>> what you're talking about. You
>>>>>>>> may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>>>>>> but to me it is first hand
>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is the definition of anecdotal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
>>>>> indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We aren't talking about what
>>>> some users out of a group
>>>> experience, we are talking
>>>> about what I personally
>>>> experience. Anecdotal or
>>>> not, it's factual.
>>>
>>>
>>> Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,

>>
>>
>> Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's
>> own perceptions?

>
>
> The issue, dumb ass, was her rejection of the term "anecdotal" for that.
>
> <snip irrelevant attempts to stir shit>


In my research I remember doing a study of self reporting accuracy. It
is considered a factor in research.

Many drug studies report on self reporting logs for example.

He is correct, his self reporting is a form of anecdotal research. It
may not be objective, and I agree that taking THC alters one's
perspective, but he is correct here.
  #39 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Skanky wrote:
>> > I was thinking sedatives.

>>
>>You toke enough weed, Skanky. You don't need sedatives, too.

>
> Who's talking about ME


I am, ****.
  #40 (permalink)   Report Post  
usual suspect
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Beach Runner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As per usual, you don't know
>>>>>>>>> what you're talking about. You
>>>>>>>>> may think of it as anecdotal,
>>>>>>>>> but to me it is first hand
>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is the definition of anecdotal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or
>>>>>> indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis."
>>>>>
>>>>> We aren't talking about what
>>>>> some users out of a group
>>>>> experience, we are talking
>>>>> about what I personally
>>>>> experience. Anecdotal or
>>>>> not, it's factual.
>>>>
>>>> Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions,
>>>
>>> Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's
>>> own perceptions?

>>
>> The issue, dumb ass, was her rejection of the term "anecdotal" for that.
>>
>> <snip irrelevant attempts to stir shit>

<...>
> He is correct, his self reporting is a form of anecdotal research.


It's NOT research, just anecdote. BTW, Skanky is a she. An orthorexic,
agoraphobic she.

> It may not be objective,


It isn't.

> and I agree that taking THC alters one's
> perspective,


THC dramatically alters perceptions.

> but he is correct here.


As usual. Thanks.
Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:00 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 FoodBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Food and drink"