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hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it
a try i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6 years. anyone suprised? i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries. what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on public schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread i made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and their little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's arteries are hardened by 12. -R |
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> hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it > a try > i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6 > years. anyone suprised? Hi R; When I was in school I worked at a few fast food places. When you need money, you do what you have to do. I recommend that all vegans read this link http://www.veganhealth.org and the one in my sig In regards to newsgroups, if you set your newsreader to filter out cross posts you will lose 85% of the noise. You can knock out 14% more by filtering out 3-4 people. You will soon discover who they are. What is left is not a lot, but it is good, some nice posts from some nice people. Congratulations on being vegan for 7 years! Steve Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdo...ealthyVeg.html Steve's Home Page http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "The great American thought trap: It is not real unless it can be seen on television or bought in a shopping mall" |
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.net... > hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it > a try > i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6 > years. anyone suprised? > i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the > fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was > obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes > instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries. > > what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on public > schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my > children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little > people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread i > made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and their > little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's > arteries are hardened by 12. > > -R Hi. Good luck with the trolls here. Don't let them scare you off with their insults or lies. If you're ever looking for free vegan recipes come visit my directory of recipe sites listed below. Many of the links there are vegan -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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The will be a few trolls, nasty people like Unusual Suspects.
Please don't let him chase you away. This group is for you. You will add years to your life and help the world. However, continue to learn about nutrition! There are great sources. Scented Nectar wrote: > > wrote in message > .net... > >>hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give > > it > >>a try >>i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6 >>years. anyone suprised? >>i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the >>fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was >>obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes >>instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the > > fries. > >>what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on > > public > >>schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my >>children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little >>people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread > > i > >>made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and > > their > >>little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's >>arteries are hardened by 12. >> >>-R > > > Hi. Good luck with the trolls here. > Don't let them scare you off with > their insults or lies. If you're ever > looking for free vegan recipes > come visit my directory of recipe > sites listed below. Many of the > links there are vegan > > |
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"Beach Runner" > wrote in message ... > The will be a few trolls, nasty people like Unusual Suspects. > Please don't let him chase you away. This group is for you. > > > You will add years to your life and help the world. ==================== Continuing the ly I see, eh killer? When you going to back up your delusions? However, continue > to learn about nutrition! There are great sources. ============= Yep, it's called meat. Far better for you and the environment than all the petro-chemical laced veggies you eat now... > > > Scented Nectar wrote: >> > wrote in message >> .net... >> >>>hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i >>>will give >> >> it >> >>>a try >>>i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at >>>mcdonalds for 6 >>>years. anyone suprised? >>>i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is >>>sugar in the >>>fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a >>>customer who was >>>obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac >>>with tomatoes >>>instead of meat) i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to >>>eat the >> >> fries. >> >>>what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the >>>segment on >> >> public >> >>>schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would >>>never make my >>>children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will >>>send my little >>>people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole >>>wheat bread >> >> i >> >>>made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds >>>good) and >> >> their >> >>>little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, >>>we'll see who's >>>arteries are hardened by 12. >>> >>>-R >> >> >> Hi. Good luck with the trolls here. >> Don't let them scare you off with >> their insults or lies. If you're ever >> looking for free vegan recipes >> come visit my directory of recipe >> sites listed below. Many of the >> links there are vegan >> |
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Car-less, homebound pot-head Skanky wrote:
<...> > Hi. Good luck with the trolls here. Why did you even try to lie that you might own a car, Skanky? If you're getting together somewhere accessable [sic] by bus or subway, I would sure like to go. I have no car though, so Markham's out for me, but I could get to anywhere in Toronto itself. http://tinyurl.com/d36ok Re your agoraphobia, one of the mental health issues associated with drug abuse -- even something as "mild" as marijuana -- is depersonalization. This leads to anxiety disorders like agoraphobia. So by continuing to smoke pot, you're only making yourself worse. http://www.panicattacks.com.au/articles/marij.html http://tinyurl.com/7tvjc http://oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda/1997Main...7mfWeb-117.htm Etc. Between your drug-induced anxiety disorder and your fantasy-based worldview (e.g., "veganics" is viable and will eventually become the norm), I think you clearly need some serious couch time. |
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I have a feling that i shouldn't reply to this but i will...
"usual suspect" > wrote in message ... > wrote: > > hello i am new. i have been anti-news group but i think that i will give it > > a try > > i am 21 i have been vegan for 7 years and i have worked at mcdonalds for 6 > > years. anyone suprised? > > No, I'm not surprised that your life has stagnated at 21 in the mire of > veganism OR the drudgery of working at McD's. Why are you still working > a cash register after six years? Why haven't you become a manager? i am a manager, i am the resturant manager. > > > i read the post about the supersize me video. yes there is sugar in the > > fries, and beef. i was chastised one day about telling a customer who was > > obviously trying to cut back on meat (she ordered a bigmac with tomatoes > > instead of meat) > > As you should be. It's not your duty to assume customers are trying to > "cut back on" anything. recent suits would argue differently, i didn't assume she was cutting back i just informed her. > > i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries. > > Why? Did she say she didn't want minute amounts of animal parts included > in her meal? If so, why did you not warn her about the bun since it has > dairy? Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, reduced iron), water, high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, yeast, contains less than 2 % of each of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, calcium silicate, wheat gluten, soy flour, baking soda, emulsifier (mono- and diglycerides, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of fatty acids, ethanol, sorbitol, polysorbate 20, potassium propionate), sodium stearoyl lactylate, dough conditioner (corn starch, ammonium chloride, ammonium sulfate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, enzymes), calcium propionate (preservative i will say that is a lot of junk but i think that for a budding vegan beef is higher on the list then any of these chemicals. we have to start somewhere. > > > what i really wanted to say, i was more disturbed over the segment on public > > schools. it made me sick. absoutly sick. i knew that i would never make my > > children eat a plate lunch, but now i am sure of it. i will send my little > > people to school with homemade baked tofu sandwiches on whole wheat bread i > > made yesterday, with tomato and sprouts, (humm, that sounds good) and their > > little juice box of soy milk. let the other kids poke fun, we'll see who's > > arteries are hardened by 12. > > And we'll see whose (NOT who's) hormones go bonkers because of the > phytoestrogens in soy. > if i have baby rats i will keep that in mind. and i apoligize for my spelling. i will blame it on being vegitarian. not eating meat affects the ability to spell, expecially in the privacy of one's home while checking e-mail in her underwear > See: > http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html > > Rat pups, exposed to high doses of the plant estrogen coumestrol > (found in sunflower seeds and oil and alfalfa sprouts) through > their mother's milk, suffered permanent reproductive problems: > female pups when grown did not ovulate, and males had altered > mounting behavior and fewer ejaculations (2). > [Whitten, P., C. Lewis and F. Naftolin. 1993. A Phytoestrogen > diet induces the premature anovulatory syndrome in lactationally > exposed female rats. Biology of Reproduction 49:1117-21.] > > Neonatal and immature rats exposed to coumestrol experienced > estrogen-related responses, such as premature estrous cycles. > Coumestrol also interrupted ovarian cycles in adult female rats > (3). > [Barrett, J. 1996. Phytoestrogens: Friends or Foes? > Environmental Health Perspectives 104:478-82.] > > Newborn rats exposed to the phytoestrogen genistein (a compound > found in soy products), experienced altered hormone secretions > and the onset of puberty may have been delayed because female > rats were exposed to the compound as fetuses (3). > [Ibid.] > > “In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not > affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a > metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone > sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4 > weeks of daily soya ingestion.” > [Supported by USPHS CA56273, CA65628, CA45181, John Sealy > Memorial Endowment Fund for Biomedical Research, American > Institute for Cancer Research grant 95B119, and NIH NCRR GCRC > grant M01 RR00073] > > All above lifted from: > http://www.cheapbodybuildingsu pplements.com/articles/soyestrogen.shtml > > Additionally, see: > http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html > http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter6.htm |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
news > Car-less, homebound pot-head Skanky wrote: > <...> > > Hi. Good luck with the trolls here. > > Why did you even try to lie that you might own a car, Skanky? Well Usual Shithead, I had no car in 2003. Whether I have one now, rent one, or borrow when needed, you currently don't know. You do know that I make regular use of Toronto's very good transit system, and that I sometimes drive. > If you're getting together somewhere accessable [sic] > by bus or subway, I would sure like to go. I have > no car though, so Markham's out for me, but I could > get to anywhere in Toronto itself. > > http://tinyurl.com/d36ok > > Re your agoraphobia, one of the mental health issues associated with > drug abuse -- even something as "mild" as marijuana -- is > depersonalization. This leads to anxiety disorders like agoraphobia. So > by continuing to smoke pot, you're only making yourself worse. > > http://www.panicattacks.com.au/articles/marij.html > http://tinyurl.com/7tvjc > http://oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda/1997Main...7mfWeb-117.htm > Etc. > > Between your drug-induced anxiety disorder and your fantasy-based > worldview (e.g., "veganics" is viable and will eventually become the > norm), I think you clearly need some serious couch time. Personally I find that smoking some pot relaxes me and does not interfere with any of my functioning outdoors. Maybe that's because only some people get anxiety from pot, or because I only smoke when I'm indoors for the night, I don't know. Pot can intensify whatever mood someone is in. So if there is a tendency towards not liking crowds like in my case, it might intensify that. I don't want to test that out personally. I only smoke when I'm in a good mood and comfortable surroundings (like where I will spend the night). If someone like Rudy smoked pot, being a psychopath, he would likely go on a killing rampage, or maybe just walk down the street cussing at everyone he passed that's not to his liking. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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> I have a feling that i shouldn't reply to this but i will... Why not? And from now on, please leave spaces between you replies and that which you're replying. It makes it a lot easier to read what you wrote. >>No, I'm not surprised that your life has stagnated at 21 in the mire of >>veganism OR the drudgery of working at McD's. Why are you still working >>a cash register after six years? Why haven't you become a manager? > > i am a manager, i am the resturant manager. Congratulations. >>As you should be. It's not your duty to assume customers are trying to >>"cut back on" anything. > > recent suits would argue differently, Lawsuits? Those aren't exactly recent. The settlement of the fries case was a few years ago. > i didn't assume she was cutting back > i just informed her. Why did you inform rather than ask? >>>i felt morally obgliated to tell her not to eat the fries. >> >>Why? Did she say she didn't want minute amounts of animal parts included >>in her meal? If so, why did you not warn her about the bun since it has >>dairy? > > Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, > thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, reduced iron), water, high > fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, yeast, contains > less than 2 % of each of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium > carbonate, calcium silicate, wheat gluten, soy flour, baking soda, > emulsifier (mono- and diglycerides, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of fatty > acids, ethanol, sorbitol, polysorbate 20, potassium propionate), sodium > stearoyl lactylate, dough conditioner (corn starch, ammonium chloride, > ammonium sulfate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, > enzymes), calcium propionate (preservative > i will say that is a lot of junk but i think that for a budding vegan beef > is higher on the list then any of these chemicals. we have to start > somewhere. What chemicals? >>And we'll see whose (NOT who's) hormones go bonkers because of the >>phytoestrogens in soy. > > if i have baby rats i will keep that in mind. The dangers extend beyond rats. To date, no studies have been done to assess the risks to children. Did you read the first soy article I linked? Here is is again: http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr...soy_story.html Scroll down to the heading "Soy and Reproduction: Breeding Discontent." > and i apoligize for my spelling. You can hit your spell checker before hitting send. > i will blame it on being vegitarian. not eating meat affects the > ability to spell, expecially in the privacy of one's home while checking > e-mail in her underwear Hmmm. Are you hot? <...> |
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Scented Nectar wrote:
> Personally I find that smoking > some pot relaxes me and does > not interfere with any of my > functioning outdoors. Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors appear to contradict your claims. > Maybe > that's because only some people > get anxiety from pot, or because > I only smoke when I'm indoors > for the night, I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle. > I don't know. You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it. > Pot can intensify whatever mood > someone is in. So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users. <...> |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. . > Scented Nectar wrote: > > Personally I find that smoking > > some pot relaxes me and does > > not interfere with any of my > > functioning outdoors. > > Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors > appear to contradict your claims. As per usual, you don't know what you're talking about. You may think of it as anecdotal, but to me it is first hand experience. > > Maybe > > that's because only some people > > get anxiety from pot, or because > > I only smoke when I'm indoors > > for the night, > > I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're > afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle. Whoa. I don't smoke because of not liking crowds, so what vicious cycle? It isn't a mind numbing substance like booze. Instead, it intensifies one's mood. > > I don't know. > > You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it. > > > Pot can intensify whatever mood > > someone is in. > > So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users. If I am finished my work and chores for the day, and when I am in for the night, it's my relaxation time and I'm usually in a very good mood. I get extra mellow and happy when I smoke. On the occasional bad mood, I don't have the desire to smoke. When I have smoked during a bad mood, it didn't make it worse but it didn't make it better either, so why bother? Waste of pot. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>Personally I find that smoking >>>some pot relaxes me and does >>>not interfere with any of my >>>functioning outdoors. >> >>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors >>appear to contradict your claims. > > As per usual, you don't know > what you're talking about. You > may think of it as anecdotal, > but to me it is first hand > experience. Which is the definition of anecdotal. >>>Maybe >>>that's because only some people >>>get anxiety from pot, or because >>>I only smoke when I'm indoors >>>for the night, >> >>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're >>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle. > > Whoa. I don't smoke because > of not liking crowds, You don't like crowds because you smoke. > so what vicious cycle? Your cycle of drug abuse and agoraphobia. > It isn't a mind numbing substance The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts here. Your mind is clearly numbed. > like booze. Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? > Instead, it intensifies one's > mood. So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users. >>>I don't know. >> >>You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it. >> >> >>>Pot can intensify whatever mood >>>someone is in. >> >>So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users. > > If I am finished my work and > chores for the day, and when > I am in for the night, it's my > relaxation time and I'm usually in > a very good mood. I get extra > mellow and happy when I > smoke. Because you like to escape reality. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > Scented Nectar wrote: > >>>Personally I find that smoking > >>>some pot relaxes me and does > >>>not interfere with any of my > >>>functioning outdoors. > >> > >>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors > >>appear to contradict your claims. > > > > As per usual, you don't know > > what you're talking about. You > > may think of it as anecdotal, > > but to me it is first hand > > experience. > > Which is the definition of anecdotal. > > >>>Maybe > >>>that's because only some people > >>>get anxiety from pot, or because > >>>I only smoke when I'm indoors > >>>for the night, > >> > >>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're > >>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle. > > > > Whoa. I don't smoke because > > of not liking crowds, > > You don't like crowds because you smoke. Nope. I've never liked crowds. Long before I ever smoked pot. When I smoke, I'm not even thinking about crowds because I responsibly only smoke in the evenings when I am in for the night. Once in a blue moon, if I don't need to go out, I'll smoke earlier. > > so what vicious cycle? > > Your cycle of drug abuse and agoraphobia. There is no cycle. Neither causes the other. At least not with me. There were a couple of exceptions years ago to my evening only rule. Once after toking, I had the irresistable urge to go shopping. I did, and didn't care about the crowds and it was very fun. > > It isn't a mind numbing substance > > The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts > here. Your mind is clearly numbed. If I post after smoking, my posts still look fine the next day, when I am 'sober'. > > like booze. > > Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? Many anti-pot people feel the opposite about booze, despite the greater amounts of violence, accidents, etc. that can be chalked up to booze. > > Instead, it intensifies one's > > mood. > > So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users. When I'm in a good mood, it intensifies that. It's in a very gentle, mellow manner, or maybe that's just how my good moods are, and that's the part that intensifies. > >>>I don't know. > >> > >>You're right in the middle of it so you'll deny it. > >> > >> > >>>Pot can intensify whatever mood > >>>someone is in. > >> > >>So much for your claim that it mellows (ab)users. > > > > If I am finished my work and > > chores for the day, and when > > I am in for the night, it's my > > relaxation time and I'm usually in > > a very good mood. I get extra > > mellow and happy when I > > smoke. > > Because you like to escape reality. If anything, reality becomes even more real while smoking pot. It intensifies your current perceptions. It's great for hobbies like painting because you can really really get into it. Reading a book comes alive and vivid. Chatting and relaxing with friends is extra fun. Cooking is really fun, especially with the tastebuds all primed with a case of the munchies. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>>Personally I find that smoking >>>>>some pot relaxes me and does >>>>>not interfere with any of my >>>>>functioning outdoors. >>>> >>>>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors >>>>appear to contradict your claims. >>> >>>As per usual, you don't know >>>what you're talking about. You >>>may think of it as anecdotal, >>>but to me it is first hand >>>experience. >> >>Which is the definition of anecdotal. Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." >>>>>Maybe >>>>>that's because only some people >>>>>get anxiety from pot, or because >>>>>I only smoke when I'm indoors >>>>>for the night, >>>> >>>>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're >>>>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle. >>> >>>Whoa. I don't smoke because >>>of not liking crowds, >> >>You don't like crowds because you smoke. > > Nope. I've never liked crowds. > Long before I ever smoked pot. Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? > When I smoke, I'm not even > thinking about crowds You're not thinking about ANYTHING when you smoke your pot. You're only trying to escape reality. > Once after toking, I had the > irresistable urge to go shopping. > I did, So not only do you abuse drugs and have agoraphobia, you're also impulsive (at least when you get stoned). You've said in the past you believe your drug use to be healthy despite the evidence presented about the dangers of the smoke itself, nevermind the deleterious effects to your mental health. How is it healthy? >>>It isn't a mind numbing substance >> >>The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts >>here. Your mind is clearly numbed. > > If I post after smoking, my posts > still look fine the next day, when > I am 'sober'. That means you're as jellyheaded as I thought you were. >>>like booze. >> >>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? > > Many anti-pot people feel the > opposite about booze, Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free your mind. >>>Instead, it intensifies one's >>>mood. >> >>So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users. > > When I'm in a good mood, You've claimed, like other nitwitted pot-heads, that marijuana abuse mellows people. Now you suggest it intensifies regardless of what kind mood one is is: easy-going, violent, etc. Make up your braincell. >>>If I am finished my work and >>>chores for the day, and when >>>I am in for the night, it's my >>>relaxation time and I'm usually in >>>a very good mood. I get extra >>>mellow and happy when I >>>smoke. >> >>Because you like to escape reality. > > If anything, reality becomes even > more real while smoking pot. No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness. That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality. > It intensifies your current perceptions. Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality. <...> |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > Scented Nectar wrote: > >>>>>Personally I find that smoking > >>>>>some pot relaxes me and does > >>>>>not interfere with any of my > >>>>>functioning outdoors. > >>>> > >>>>Anecdotal. Observations of psychologists and substance abuse counselors > >>>>appear to contradict your claims. > >>> > >>>As per usual, you don't know > >>>what you're talking about. You > >>>may think of it as anecdotal, > >>>but to me it is first hand > >>>experience. > >> > >>Which is the definition of anecdotal. > > Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or > indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." We aren't talking about what some users out of a group experience, we are talking about what I personally experience. Anecdotal or not, it's factual. > >>>>>Maybe > >>>>>that's because only some people > >>>>>get anxiety from pot, or because > >>>>>I only smoke when I'm indoors > >>>>>for the night, > >>>> > >>>>I think that's operative, Skanky. You smoke. You stay indoors. You're > >>>>afraid of groups of people. So you smoke more. It's a vicious cycle. > >>> > >>>Whoa. I don't smoke because > >>>of not liking crowds, > >> > >>You don't like crowds because you smoke. > > > > Nope. I've never liked crowds. > > Long before I ever smoked pot. > > Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? Why haven't you sought counselling for your vegaphobia? > > When I smoke, I'm not even > > thinking about crowds > > You're not thinking about ANYTHING when you smoke your pot. You're only > trying to escape reality. Dave's not here, man. > > Once after toking, I had the > > irresistable urge to go shopping. > > I did, > > So not only do you abuse drugs and have agoraphobia, you're also > impulsive (at least when you get stoned). You've said in the past you > believe your drug use to be healthy despite the evidence presented about > the dangers of the smoke itself, nevermind the deleterious effects to > your mental health. How is it healthy? I would have had the urge to shop whether or not I toked. I had fun and I don't feel guilt. I came home with some great stuff too. > >>>It isn't a mind numbing substance > >> > >>The hell it isn't. Sober up for a few weeks and then review your posts > >>here. Your mind is clearly numbed. > > > > If I post after smoking, my posts > > still look fine the next day, when > > I am 'sober'. > > That means you're as jellyheaded as I thought you were. > > >>>like booze. > >> > >>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? > > > > Many anti-pot people feel the > > opposite about booze, > > Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness > instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse > is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free > your mind. Why are you asuming I abuse pot rather than use it? What addiction? I think we have a case of Reefer Madness mindset. > >>>Instead, it intensifies one's > >>>mood. > >> > >>So much for your claims that it mellows (ab)users. > > > > When I'm in a good mood, > > You've claimed, like other nitwitted pot-heads, that marijuana abuse > mellows people. Now you suggest it intensifies regardless of what kind > mood one is is: easy-going, violent, etc. Make up your braincell. I don't know any violent people well enough to know what they are like when they smoke pot. I don't plan on ever knowing it first hand. No one I have ever hung out with is violent. The most violence in my life is this newsgroup! You trolls and your insults are the most violently insane sounding people I have ever 'met'. > >>>If I am finished my work and > >>>chores for the day, and when > >>>I am in for the night, it's my > >>>relaxation time and I'm usually in > >>>a very good mood. I get extra > >>>mellow and happy when I > >>>smoke. > >> > >>Because you like to escape reality. > > > > If anything, reality becomes even > > more real while smoking pot. > > No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness. > That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality. I'm speaking from first hand knowledge. You're not. I don't detach. > > It intensifies your current perceptions. > > Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality. I agree and if an insane person smokes pot, they will probably still be insane after. Maybe a little mellower though. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
... > Dave's not here, man. I should have put the above into quotes and properly attributed it to Cheech and Chong. Tokers from my age group will recognize the movie quote. It's not refering to any Daves on this group. |
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Skanky wrote:
<...> >>>>>As per usual, you don't know >>>>>what you're talking about. You >>>>>may think of it as anecdotal, >>>>>but to me it is first hand >>>>>experience. >>>> >>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal. >> >>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or >>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." > > We aren't talking about what > some users out of a group > experience, we are talking > about what I personally > experience. Anecdotal or > not, it's factual. Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse. <...> >>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? > > Why haven't you sought counselling > for your vegaphobia? Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense. <...> >>>>>like booze. >>>> >>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? >>> >>>Many anti-pot people feel the >>>opposite about booze, >> >>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness >>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse >>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free >>your mind. > > Why are you asuming Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least one physically and mentally deleterious habit. <...> >>>>Because you like to escape reality. >>> >>>If anything, reality becomes even >>>more real while smoking pot. >> >>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness. >>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality. > > I'm speaking from first hand > knowledge. Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions. > You're not. I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction forms its own bias. > I don't detach. You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me to question your sanity and grasp of reality. >>>It intensifies your current perceptions. >> >>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality. > > I agree Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. . > Skanky wrote: > <...> > >>>>>As per usual, you don't know > >>>>>what you're talking about. You > >>>>>may think of it as anecdotal, > >>>>>but to me it is first hand > >>>>>experience. > >>>> > >>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal. > >> > >>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or > >>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." > > > > We aren't talking about what > > some users out of a group > > experience, we are talking > > about what I personally > > experience. Anecdotal or > > not, it's factual. > > Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, > which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse. Oh no, my computer screen is blurring into psychedelic designs!!! > >>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? > > > > Why haven't you sought counselling > > for your vegaphobia? > > Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense. You have orthorexia. That's why you can't believe that others can be vegan without the illness. > >>>>>like booze. > >>>> > >>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? > >>> > >>>Many anti-pot people feel the > >>>opposite about booze, > >> > >>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness > >>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse > >>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free > >>your mind. > > > > Why are you asuming > > Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If > someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be > worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on > the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least > one physically and mentally deleterious habit. Stop snipping the sentence that you are replying to, idiot. > >>>>Because you like to escape reality. > >>> > >>>If anything, reality becomes even > >>>more real while smoking pot. > >> > >>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness. > >>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality. > > > > I'm speaking from first hand > > knowledge. > > Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we > know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions. I know how it affects me, and that's what counts. > > You're not. > > I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's > effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your > subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction > forms its own bias. There's no addiction. Whenever I don't smoke for a week or so, there is no withdrawal, no longing, etc. So drop the addiction bullshit before I have to smack you or something. > > I don't detach. > > You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when > you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming > commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me > to question your sanity and grasp of reality. > > >>>It intensifies your current perceptions. > >> > >>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality. > > > > I agree > > Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality. You want me to agree with your misinformed viewpoints? I don't think so. Why are you snipping the sentences that you are responding to? Is it because you cannot answer them? The above quote is a good example. What are you trying to do? Lick Rudy's balls? You've picked up some bad habits (or is that addictions). -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
> >There's no addiction. Whenever >I don't smoke for a week or so, >there is no withdrawal, no longing, >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit >before I have to smack you or >something. Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath |
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"Derek" > wrote in message
... > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" > wrote: > > > >There's no addiction. Whenever > >I don't smoke for a week or so, > >there is no withdrawal, no longing, > >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > >before I have to smack you or > >something. > > Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then > ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. > http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath That's a very good oath and one I agree with totally. As for number 12 though, I can only take the info secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. As far as I know, all pot in Ontario is grown locally and nonviolently, but I can't swear to it, as I've never been inside a growhouse. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:25 -0400, "Scented Nectar" > wrote:
>"Derek" > wrote in message ... >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >wrote: >> > >> >There's no addiction. Whenever >> >I don't smoke for a week or so, >> >there is no withdrawal, no longing, >> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit >> >before I have to smack you or >> >something. >> >> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then >> ignore him, if you agree with it and want to, of course. >> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > >That's a very good oath and one >I agree with totally. As for number >12 though, I can only take the info >secondhand that there's no >violence involved in the growing. >As far as I know, all pot in Ontario >is grown locally and nonviolently, >but I can't swear to it, as I've >never been inside a growhouse. Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of spider mite very little violence goes on in them. |
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"Derek" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:25 -0400, "Scented Nectar" > wrote: > >"Derek" > wrote in message ... > >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >wrote: > >> > > >> >There's no addiction. Whenever > >> >I don't smoke for a week or so, > >> >there is no withdrawal, no longing, > >> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > >> >before I have to smack you or > >> >something. > >> > >> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then > >> ignore him, if you agree with it and want to, of course. > >> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > > > >That's a very good oath and one > >I agree with totally. As for number > >12 though, I can only take the info > >secondhand that there's no > >violence involved in the growing. > >As far as I know, all pot in Ontario > >is grown locally and nonviolently, > >but I can't swear to it, as I've > >never been inside a growhouse. > > Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of > spider mite very little violence goes on in them. they may have a mad-tight game of spades occationally too. i hear those games can get pretty heated. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message .. . > Skanky wrote: > <...> >>>>>>As per usual, you don't know >>>>>>what you're talking about. You >>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal, >>>>>>but to me it is first hand >>>>>>experience. >>>>> >>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal. >>> >>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or >>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." >> >> We aren't talking about what >> some users out of a group >> experience, we are talking >> about what I personally >> experience. Anecdotal or >> not, it's factual. > > Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's own perceptions? Self perception is mostly a matter of honesty and not clouded by some flighty notion of marijuana induced mind distortions. > which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse. An exaggeration. Occasional dope smoking doesn't qualify as chronic drug abuse just as an occasional drink doesn't qualify as alcoholism. I'm not surprised, however, that you consistently use exaggerations, lies, and omissions to support your positions. You are not credible. >>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? >> >> Why haven't you sought counselling >> for your vegaphobia? > > Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense. I don't know, "vegaphobia" is as descriptive of you as anything I could think of. Well, "prick" comes pretty close. >>>>>>like booze. >>>>> >>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? >>>> >>>>Many anti-pot people feel the >>>>opposite about booze, >>> >>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness >>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse >>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free >>>your mind. >> >> Why are you asuming > > Stop changing the subject. Your subject is invalid. You are assuming that she has an addiction problem and that her mind will be "free" if she stops. Where do you get that "free your mind" stuff - hillarious. > You constantly view things in the extreme. pot-kettle-black... > I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least one physically and > mentally deleterious habit. Why not, you have psychosis. >> I don't detach. > > You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when you > started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming commercially > viable. > You've raised other issues which have also led me to question your sanity > and grasp of reality. Ha, that from the guy who writes "free your mind". >>>>It intensifies your current perceptions. >>> >>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from reality. >> >> I agree > > Then stop disagreeing ???? |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:57:20 GMT, "cricket" > wrote:
>"Derek" > wrote in message ... >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:27:25 -0400, "Scented Nectar" >wrote: >> >"Derek" > wrote in message ... >> >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:33:46 -0400, "Scented >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >There's no addiction. Whenever >> >> >I don't smoke for a week or so, >> >> >there is no withdrawal, no longing, >> >> >etc. So drop the addiction bullshit >> >> >before I have to smack you or >> >> >something. >> >> >> >> Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then >> >> ignore him, if you agree with it and want to, of course. >> >> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath >> > >> >That's a very good oath and one >> >I agree with totally. As for number >> >12 though, I can only take the info >> >secondhand that there's no >> >violence involved in the growing. >> >As far as I know, all pot in Ontario >> >is grown locally and nonviolently, >> >but I can't swear to it, as I've >> >never been inside a growhouse. >> >> Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of >> spider mite very little violence goes on in them. > >they may have a mad-tight game of spades occationally too. i hear those >games can get pretty heated. Things soon pitter down to a wheeze again once the coughing fits pass. |
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Skanky wrote:
<...> >>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know >>>>>>>what you're talking about. You >>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal, >>>>>>>but to me it is first hand >>>>>>>experience. >>>>>> >>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal. >>>> >>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or >>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." >>> >>>We aren't talking about what >>>some users out of a group >>>experience, we are talking >>>about what I personally >>>experience. Anecdotal or >>>not, it's factual. >> >>Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, >>which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse. > > Oh no, Oh, yes. >>>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? >>> >>>Why haven't you sought counselling >>>for your vegaphobia? >> >>Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense. > > You have orthorexia. No, I don't. You do, and you have agoraphobia, chemical dependency, and other dysfunctions indicated by your lack of contact with reality. > That's why you can't believe that others can > be vegan without the illness. Vegetarians can be mentally healthy and very well-adjusted, but vegans are inherently imbalanced with regard to diet (and worldview). >>>>>>>like booze. >>>>>> >>>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? >>>>> >>>>>Many anti-pot people feel the >>>>>opposite about booze, >>>> >>>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness >>>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse >>>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free >>>>your mind. >>> >>>Why are you asuming >> >>Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If >>someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be >>worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on >>the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least >>one physically and mentally deleterious habit. > > > Stop Stop changing the subject. >>>>>>Because you like to escape reality. >>>>> >>>>>If anything, reality becomes even >>>>>more real while smoking pot. >>>> >>>>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness. >>>>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality. >>> >>>I'm speaking from first hand >>>knowledge. >> >>Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we >>know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions. > > I know how it affects me, and > that's what counts. You're a mental defective, as we know from your admissions of chronic drug use and agoraphobia. Your perceptions are altered by drugs. Your subjective experiences are NOT objective. Objectively, you continue to harm yourself despite evidence shown to you about the effects of inhaling smoke as well as the long-term effects of smoking pot on the mind. >>>You're not. >> >>I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's >>effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your >>subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction >>forms its own bias. > > There's no addiction. Yes, there is. > Whenever I don't smoke for a week or so, That's not long enough to tell. > there is no withdrawal, no longing, > etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > before I have to smack you or > something. You wouldn't dare, bitch. >>>I don't detach. >> >>You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when >>you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming >>commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me >>to question your sanity and grasp of reality. >> >> >>>>>It intensifies your current perceptions. >>>> >>>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from > > reality. > >>>I agree >> >>Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality. > > You want me to agree The facts are the same whether you agree with them or not, retard. Your altered perceptions have NOTHING to do with reality. |
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Clueless Skanky wrote:
>>>There's no addiction. Whenever >>>I don't smoke for a week or so, >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing, >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit >>>before I have to smack you or >>>something. >> >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > > That's a very good oath and one > I agree with totally. Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather than FACTS (reality)? > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate from within." RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, semiautomatic weapon on himself. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the province," said Algar. "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for more assistance from private companies and individuals in dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire risk. http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border continues to escalate. http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario > is grown locally Wrong. > and nonviolently, VERY wrong. > but I can't swear to it, No shit. > as I've never been inside a growhouse. Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture in general. |
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Claire's fat-**** of an Uncle Dreck wrote:
>>That's a very good oath and one >>I agree with totally. As for number >>12 though, I can only take the info >>secondhand that there's no >>violence involved in the growing. >>As far as I know, all pot in Ontario >>is grown locally and nonviolently, >>but I can't swear to it, as I've >>never been inside a growhouse. > > Rest assured that, besides the intentional killing of > spider mite very little violence goes on in them. Ipse dixit, liar. "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate from within." RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, semiautomatic weapon on himself. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the province," said Algar. "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for more assistance from private companies and individuals in dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire risk. http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk |
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C. James Putz wrote:
>>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know >>>>>>>what you're talking about. You >>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal, >>>>>>>but to me it is first hand >>>>>>>experience. >>>>>> >>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal. >>>> >>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or >>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." >>> >>>We aren't talking about what >>>some users out of a group >>>experience, we are talking >>>about what I personally >>>experience. Anecdotal or >>>not, it's factual. >> >>Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, > > Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's own > perceptions? The issue, dumb ass, was her rejection of the term "anecdotal" for that. <snip irrelevant attempts to stir shit> |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. . > Skanky wrote: > <...> > >>>>>>>As per usual, you don't know > >>>>>>>what you're talking about. You > >>>>>>>may think of it as anecdotal, > >>>>>>>but to me it is first hand > >>>>>>>experience. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Which is the definition of anecdotal. > >>>> > >>>>Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or > >>>>indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." > >>> > >>>We aren't talking about what > >>>some users out of a group > >>>experience, we are talking > >>>about what I personally > >>>experience. Anecdotal or > >>>not, it's factual. > >> > >>Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, > >>which been distorted by your chronic drug abuse. > > > > Oh no, > > Oh, yes. Reefer madness. Hide your kids! > >>>>Why haven't you sought counseling for your phobia? > >>> > >>>Why haven't you sought counselling > >>>for your vegaphobia? > >> > >>Stop making up words. I have no phobias in the clinical sense. > > > > You have orthorexia. > > No, I don't. You do, and you have agoraphobia, chemical dependency, and > other dysfunctions indicated by your lack of contact with reality. I'm in full contact with reality every moment that I'm not asleep. > > That's why you can't believe that others can > > be vegan without the illness. > > Vegetarians can be mentally healthy and very well-adjusted, but vegans > are inherently imbalanced with regard to diet (and worldview). > > >>>>>>>like booze. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Has anyone here suggested you get drunk instead? > >>>>> > >>>>>Many anti-pot people feel the > >>>>>opposite about booze, > >>>> > >>>>Have you read any posts from me suggesting you try chronic drunkenness > >>>>instead of your drug abuse? Same coin, different side. Substance abuse > >>>>is substance abuse. Rid yourself of your addiction, Skanky, and free > >>>>your mind. > >>> > >>>Why are you asuming > >> > >>Stop changing the subject. You constantly view things in the extreme. If > >>someone chastizes your addiction to marijuana, you suggest it would be > >>worse if you were to become alcoholic instead. While I agree with you on > >>the latter point, I resent your non sequitur that you must have at least > >>one physically and mentally deleterious habit. > > > > > > Stop > > Stop changing the subject. No, you stop snipping first. > >>>>>>Because you like to escape reality. > >>>>> > >>>>>If anything, reality becomes even > >>>>>more real while smoking pot. > >>>> > >>>>No, it does not. Marijuana induces an ALTERED STATE of consciousness. > >>>>That chemical alteration *detaches* one from reality. > >>> > >>>I'm speaking from first hand > >>>knowledge. > >> > >>Your self-reporting is anecdotal and not factual on the basis of what we > >>know about marijuana's effects on the mind and on perceptions. > > > > I know how it affects me, and > > that's what counts. > > You're a mental defective, as we know from your admissions of chronic > drug use and agoraphobia. Your perceptions are altered by drugs. Your > subjective experiences are NOT objective. Objectively, you continue to > harm yourself despite evidence shown to you about the effects of > inhaling smoke as well as the long-term effects of smoking pot on the mind. You really do have a case of Reefer Madness. Do you also believe that enemies of the States are out to poison your bodily fluids? Do you receive radio signals in your head and have to use tin foil to avoid them? > >>>You're not. > >> > >>I'm operating from established scientific facts about marijuana's > >>effects on the human body and mind. You're operating from your > >>subjective perceptions based upon personal experience. Your addiction > >>forms its own bias. > > > > There's no addiction. > > Yes, there is. Nope. > > Whenever I don't smoke for a week or so, > > That's not long enough to tell. Sure it is. > > there is no withdrawal, no longing, > > etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > > before I have to smack you or > > something. > > You wouldn't dare, bitch. Oh yes I would, you dumb prick. > >>>I don't detach. > >> > >>You are clearly detached from reality. That became evident to me when > >>you started posting fantastical prattle about "veganics" becoming > >>commercially viable. You've raised other issues which have also led me > >>to question your sanity and grasp of reality. > >> > >> > >>>>>It intensifies your current perceptions. > >>>> > >>>>Perceptions are not reality. Perceptions can be 180-degrees from > > > > reality. > > > >>>I agree > >> > >>Then stop disagreeing and suggesting that your perceptions are reality. > > > > You want me to agree > > The facts are the same whether you agree with them or not, retard. Your > altered perceptions have NOTHING to do with reality. Thankfully not YOUR reality. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > Clueless Skanky wrote: > >>>There's no addiction. Whenever > >>>I don't smoke for a week or so, > >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing, > >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > >>>before I have to smack you or > >>>something. > >> > >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then > >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. > >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > > > > That's a very good oath and one > > I agree with totally. > > Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather > than FACTS (reality)? > > > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info > > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. > > "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, > who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called > Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people > and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 > million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what > we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate > from within." > > RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, > trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers > last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a > pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the > marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim > Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, > semiautomatic weapon on himself. > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html > > "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the > province," said Algar. > > "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen > what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced > what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." > > Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for > more assistance from private companies and individuals in > dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential > neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire > risk. > http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk > > And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold > in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border > continues to escalate. > http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html > > > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario > > is grown locally > > Wrong. > > > and nonviolently, > > VERY wrong. > > > but I can't swear to it, > > No shit. > > > as I've never been inside a growhouse. > > Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture > in general. Time to hold a vote. All those who think Usual Idiot should himself imbibe in something relaxing so that he won't be so uptight and annoying, raise your hands. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message ... > Clueless Skanky wrote: > >>>There's no addiction. Whenever > >>>I don't smoke for a week or so, > >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing, > >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > >>>before I have to smack you or > >>>something. > >> > >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then > >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. > >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > > > > That's a very good oath and one > > I agree with totally. > > Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather > than FACTS (reality)? > > > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info > > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. > > "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, > who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called > Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people > and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 > million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what > we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate > from within." > > RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, > trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers > last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a > pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the > marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim > Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, > semiautomatic weapon on himself. > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html > > "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the > province," said Algar. > > "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen > what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced > what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." > > Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for > more assistance from private companies and individuals in > dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential > neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire > risk. > http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk > > And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold > in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border > continues to escalate. > http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html > > > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario > > is grown locally > > Wrong. > > > and nonviolently, > > VERY wrong. > > > but I can't swear to it, > > No shit. > > > as I've never been inside a growhouse. > > Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture > in general. where do you live? i grew up on a farm in ohio. it dosn't get a whole lot more rual then that. and even though i moved to the city i still have a garden where i grow every thing i can for myself. and you would be suprised how many farmers who have hudreds of acres of crops have very little know how about what they are doing and why, and even how to to it by hand if they had to just to support their family. it's sad. |
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*hand* even if is just a cup of coffee or twislers.
"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message ... > "usual suspect" > wrote in message > ... > > Clueless Skanky wrote: > > >>>There's no addiction. Whenever > > >>>I don't smoke for a week or so, > > >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing, > > >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > > >>>before I have to smack you or > > >>>something. > > >> > > >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then > > >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. > > >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > > > > > > That's a very good oath and one > > > I agree with totally. > > > > Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather > > than FACTS (reality)? > > > > > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info > > > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. > > > > "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, > > who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called > > Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people > > and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 > > million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what > > we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate > > from within." > > > > RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, > > trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers > > last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a > > pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the > > marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim > > Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, > > semiautomatic weapon on himself. > > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html > > > > "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the > > province," said Algar. > > > > "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen > > what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced > > what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." > > > > Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for > > more assistance from private companies and individuals in > > dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential > > neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire > > risk. > > http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk > > > > And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold > > in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border > > continues to escalate. > > http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html > > > > > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario > > > is grown locally > > > > Wrong. > > > > > and nonviolently, > > > > VERY wrong. > > > > > but I can't swear to it, > > > > No shit. > > > > > as I've never been inside a growhouse. > > > > Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture > > in general. > > Time to hold a vote. All those who > think Usual Idiot should himself > imbibe in something relaxing so > that he won't be so uptight and > annoying, raise your hands. > > > -- > SN > http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ > > > |
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"cricket" > wrote in message
k.net... > *hand* even if is just a cup of coffee or twislers. I was thinking sedatives. But coffee sounds good too. > "Scented Nectar" > wrote in message > ... > > "usual suspect" > wrote in message > > ... > > > Clueless Skanky wrote: > > > >>>There's no addiction. Whenever > > > >>>I don't smoke for a week or so, > > > >>>there is no withdrawal, no longing, > > > >>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit > > > >>>before I have to smack you or > > > >>>something. > > > >> > > > >>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then > > > >>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. > > > > >>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath > > > > > > > > That's a very good oath and one > > > > I agree with totally. > > > > > > Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather > > > than FACTS (reality)? > > > > > > > As for number 12 though, I can only take the info > > > > secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. > > > > > > "We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, > > > who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called > > > Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people > > > and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 > > > million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what > > > we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate > > > from within." > > > > > > RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, > > > trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers > > > last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a > > > pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the > > > marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim > > > Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, > > > semiautomatic weapon on himself. > > > http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html > > > > > > "This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the > > > province," said Algar. > > > > > > "Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen > > > what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced > > > what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." > > > > > > Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for > > > more assistance from private companies and individuals in > > > dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential > > > neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire > > > risk. > > > http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk > > > > > > And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold > > > in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border > > > continues to escalate. > > > http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html > > > > > > > As far as I know, all pot in Ontario > > > > is grown locally > > > > > > Wrong. > > > > > > > and nonviolently, > > > > > > VERY wrong. > > > > > > > but I can't swear to it, > > > > > > No shit. > > > > > > > as I've never been inside a growhouse. > > > > > > Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture > > > in general. > > > > Time to hold a vote. All those who > > think Usual Idiot should himself > > imbibe in something relaxing so > > that he won't be so uptight and > > annoying, raise your hands. > > > > > > -- > > SN > > http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ > > > > > > > > |
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cricket wrote:
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message > ... > >>Clueless Skanky wrote: >> >>>>>There's no addiction. Whenever >>>>>I don't smoke for a week or so, >>>>>there is no withdrawal, no longing, >>>>>etc. So drop the addiction bullshit >>>>>before I have to smack you or >>>>>something. >>>> >>>>Take "The Responsible Drug User's Oath" and then >>>>ignore him, if you agree with it want to, of course. >>>>http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-User%27s-Oath >>> >>>That's a very good oath and one >>>I agree with totally. >> >>Then why did you qualify #12 with what you BELIEVE (perception) rather >>than FACTS (reality)? >> >> >>>As for number 12 though, I can only take the info >>>secondhand that there's no violence involved in the growing. >> >>"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, >>who recently oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called >>Operation Hockey Bag, in which investigators charged 22 people >>and seized more than 400 lbs. of marijuana, along with $3.4 >>million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just weapons - it's what >>we're seeing from the organization. They rule and intimidate >>from within." >> >>RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, >>trying to find out what led to the killing of the four officers >>last week. The incident began as an attempt to repossess a >>pickup truck but ballooned into a larger investigation after the >>marijuana growing operation was discovered. The gunman, Jim >>Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered, >>semiautomatic weapon on himself. >>http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0311/p01s03-woam.html >> >>"This illegal activity feeds drug use, guns and violence in the >>province," said Algar. >> >>"Anyone who claims that grow-ops are benign simply has not seen >>what the police see in these grow homes, and has not experienced >>what we've experienced in dealing with these public menaces." >> >>Community Safety Minister Monte Kwinter echoed Elgar's call for >>more assistance from private companies and individuals in >>dealing with grow houses, which often set up in residential >>neighbourhoods with stolen electricity that poses a serious fire >>risk. >>http://tinyurl.com/aj2vk >> >>And that doesn't even touch on the fact that a lot of the pot being sold >>in Canada is imported from Mexico, where violence along the Texas border >>continues to escalate. >>http://www.cbs13kvtv.com/news/headlines/1652956.html >> >> >>>As far as I know, all pot in Ontario >>>is grown locally >> >>Wrong. >> >> >>>and nonviolently, >> >>VERY wrong. >> >> >>>but I can't swear to it, >> >>No shit. >> >> >>>as I've never been inside a growhouse. >> >>Hardly surprising, given your clueless urbanite views about agriculture >>in general. > > where do you live? Austin, Texas. > i grew up on a farm in ohio. I am a simple farm girl from Quebec, we are esily confused. - "cricket" 8/7/2005 Clearly so. Which is it? > it dosn't get a whole lot > more rual then that. Did your family grow marijuana, which is the issue at hand? > and even though i moved to the city i still have a > garden where i grow every thing i can for myself. You're a few steps ahead of the rank hypocrite Skanky. > and you would be suprised how many farmers who have hudreds of acres of > crops have very little know how about what they are doing and why, I would be surprised if you were right. I was born in a farming community and many of my family are still in agriculture. > and even > how to to it by hand if they had to just to support their family. > it's sad. Not as sad as your childhood memories. Did you grow up in Quebec or Ohio? |
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Skanky wrote:
> I was thinking sedatives. You toke enough weed, Skanky. You don't need sedatives, too. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
.. . > Skanky wrote: > > I was thinking sedatives. > > You toke enough weed, Skanky. You don't need sedatives, too. Who's talking about ME taking sedatives. We were talking about you -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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usual suspect wrote: > C. James Putz wrote: > >>>>>>>> As per usual, you don't know >>>>>>>> what you're talking about. You >>>>>>>> may think of it as anecdotal, >>>>>>>> but to me it is first hand >>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which is the definition of anecdotal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or >>>>> indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." >>>> >>>> >>>> We aren't talking about what >>>> some users out of a group >>>> experience, we are talking >>>> about what I personally >>>> experience. Anecdotal or >>>> not, it's factual. >>> >>> >>> Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, >> >> >> Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's >> own perceptions? > > > The issue, dumb ass, was her rejection of the term "anecdotal" for that. > > <snip irrelevant attempts to stir shit> In my research I remember doing a study of self reporting accuracy. It is considered a factor in research. Many drug studies report on self reporting logs for example. He is correct, his self reporting is a form of anecdotal research. It may not be objective, and I agree that taking THC alters one's perspective, but he is correct here. |
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Skanky wrote:
>> > I was thinking sedatives. >> >>You toke enough weed, Skanky. You don't need sedatives, too. > > Who's talking about ME I am, ****. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As per usual, you don't know >>>>>>>>> what you're talking about. You >>>>>>>>> may think of it as anecdotal, >>>>>>>>> but to me it is first hand >>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which is the definition of anecdotal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Established. Anecdotal means "Based on casual observations or >>>>>> indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis." >>>>> >>>>> We aren't talking about what >>>>> some users out of a group >>>>> experience, we are talking >>>>> about what I personally >>>>> experience. Anecdotal or >>>>> not, it's factual. >>>> >>>> Your self-reporting isn't "factual." It's based on your perceptions, >>> >>> Uhm, don't you think that "self-reporting" should be based on one's >>> own perceptions? >> >> The issue, dumb ass, was her rejection of the term "anecdotal" for that. >> >> <snip irrelevant attempts to stir shit> <...> > He is correct, his self reporting is a form of anecdotal research. It's NOT research, just anecdote. BTW, Skanky is a she. An orthorexic, agoraphobic she. > It may not be objective, It isn't. > and I agree that taking THC alters one's > perspective, THC dramatically alters perceptions. > but he is correct here. As usual. Thanks. |
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