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I recently posted a scientist that was a whistle blower, to the point of
offering to take a lie detector test. Mad cow cases met with shrug instead of safeguards Mon Aug 1, 6:48 AM ET http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...adofsafeguards When bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, first surfaced in the United States in 2003, cattle ranchers and government officialsshrugged it off as a cow infected in Canada before being imported here. When a native-born cow tested positive this June, they explained it away once again, saying the animal was infected before cattle feed restrictions were put in place in 1997. And when a third possible domestic case surfaced last week, they hastened to note that the 12-year-old cow hadn't entered the food chain. The story is always the same. Consumers are urged not to worry about the chance of a major outbreak of the disease, like the one that occurred in Europe a decade ago. They are assured they will be protected by the practices of the cattle industry and the policies of responsible government agencies. In fact, those practices and policies are considered so ineffective that 64 nations have total or partial bans on U.S. beef products. And the two agencies charged with ensuring a safe beef supply, the Agriculture Department (USDA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), have become as much a part of the industry's public relations team as they are public health watchdogs. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns' response to each episode seems to be to tell everyone he's going to have beef for dinner. This inadequate oversight, resulting from short-sighted cattle industry pressure, forces American consumers to buy the beef that others will not. It's also counterproductive for the industry itself, which would like diners worldwide to think of its products as top of the line. As the Agriculture Department investigates the latest possible case of the disease - results are expected this week - it has reaffirmed how lackadaisical and insufficient its testing practices are. The FDA, meanwhile, oversees cattle feed policies so riddled with loopholes they would be laughable if they weren't so nauseating. Mad cow disease is spread when cows, which are herbivores by nature, are fed parts of cattle and other ruminant (cud-chewing) animals. It can be prevented from spreading to humans by careful monitoring of what cattle eat and by effective, timely testing. At the moment, American consumers have neither protection: •Feed loopholes. In 1997, the FDA imposed a so-called ban on the feeding of ruminant protein to cows. But that policy has two enormous exemptions. Weaning calves may drink cattle blood as a milk substitute. And feed may include the waste from chicken coop floors as a protein supplement. This waste poses a risk not because of its many unsavory elements, including feces and feathers, but because FDA officials estimate that up to 30% of it can be uneaten chicken feed - which routinely contains beef. •"Keystone Kops" testing. The brain tissue of the cow that is currently being tested was first collected in April. The investigation was delayed because the veterinarian forgot to send the sample to the laboratory. The sample that tested positive in June had originally been cleared by USDA last year. Subsequent tests were ordered by a suspicious internal investigator, showing how inadequate the department's testing is. The industry is right to argue that the chances of anyone contracting the human form of the disease are quite low. But the issue isn't the overall risk, but whether the government and industry are taking reasonable steps to ensure it is as low as it can be. By that standard, consumers are right to have a beef. The feed loopholes need to be closed. Quicker, more accurate testing processes need to be fast-tracked. Only then will Americans be able to enjoy their summer barbecues without having to worry that eating a hamburger might lead to a fatal brain-wasting disease. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
> I recently posted a scientist that was a whistle blower, No, you didn't. You posted a LINK to a conspiracy theory forum on a website about paranormal subjects that mentioned an alleged scientist who's allegedly making claims against the government. It's about as credible as the tabloid _Weekly World News_. > to the point of > offering to take a lie detector test. One's offer to take polygraph doesn't make one credible. > Mad cow cases met with shrug instead of safeguards > Mon Aug 1, 6:48 AM ET > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...adofsafeguards > > When bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, > first surfaced in the United States in 2003, cattle ranchers and > government officialsshrugged it off as a cow infected in Canada > before being imported here. > > When a native-born cow tested positive this June, they explained it > away once again, saying the animal was infected before cattle feed > restrictions were put in place in 1997. And that cow, like the first, was over the age of 10 years. Like the first, it was not headed into any food supply -- human or animal. > And when a third possible domestic case surfaced last week, And it tested NEGATIVE for BSE: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3295454 > they > hastened to note that the 12-year-old cow hadn't entered the food > chain. > > The story is always the same. The story is the same because only TWO cattle in the US have ever tested BSE-positive -- that's out of an estimated 40 million cattle slaughtered in the US every year (about 85% go to the human food supply, the rest to the animal food supply). BOTH of those BSE+ cattle were over 12 years-old, which is "aged" by cattle standards. BOTH BSE+ cattle were kept out of the *entire* food supply; NEITHER was ever headed to the human food supply because their ages would make their meat unsuitable for human consumption. The age of the TWO cattle was the issue; there is no detected BSE epidemic in the US or Canada. That's two BSE+ cattle out of ~120,000,000 in the last three years, or a known infection rate of 0.000001667%. In other words, you hysterical twit, BSE incidence in the United States is *ANOMALOUS*. We shouldn't make policy on the basis of anomalies. Only you radical leftists think we should because you believe the end (i.e., forcing everyone to live like *you* think they should) justifies the means. You're an irrational, hysterical, bumbling ass. <...> |
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usual suspect wrote: > Beach Runner wrote: > >> I recently posted a scientist that was a whistle blower, > > > No, you didn't. You posted a LINK to a conspiracy theory forum on a > website about paranormal subjects that mentioned an alleged scientist > who's allegedly making claims against the government. It's about as > credible as the tabloid _Weekly World News_. > >> to the point of offering to take a lie detector test. > > > One's offer to take polygraph doesn't make one credible. > >> Mad cow cases met with shrug instead of safeguards >> Mon Aug 1, 6:48 AM ET >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...adofsafeguards >> >> When bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, >> first surfaced in the United States in 2003, cattle ranchers and >> government officialsshrugged it off as a cow infected in Canada >> before being imported here. >> >> When a native-born cow tested positive this June, they explained it >> away once again, saying the animal was infected before cattle feed >> restrictions were put in place in 1997. > > > And that cow, like the first, was over the age of 10 years. Like the > first, it was not headed into any food supply -- human or animal. > >> And when a third possible domestic case surfaced last week, > > > And it tested NEGATIVE for BSE: > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3295454 > >> they >> hastened to note that the 12-year-old cow hadn't entered the food >> chain. >> >> The story is always the same. > > > The story is the same because only TWO cattle in the US have ever tested > BSE-positive -- that's out of an estimated 40 million cattle slaughtered > in the US every year (about 85% go to the human food supply, the rest to > the animal food supply). BOTH of those BSE+ cattle were over 12 > years-old, which is "aged" by cattle standards. BOTH BSE+ cattle were > kept out of the *entire* food supply; NEITHER was ever headed to the > human food supply because their ages would make their meat unsuitable > for human consumption. The age of the TWO cattle was the issue; there is > no detected BSE epidemic in the US or Canada. > > That's two BSE+ cattle out of ~120,000,000 in the last three years, or a > known infection rate of 0.000001667%. In other words, you hysterical > twit, BSE incidence in the United States is *ANOMALOUS*. We shouldn't > make policy on the basis of anomalies. Only you radical leftists think > we should because you believe the end (i.e., forcing everyone to live > like *you* think they should) justifies the means. You're an irrational, > hysterical, bumbling ass. > > <...> You ignore export plants that off to do their own testing, You take funded sites by agents as gospel. And you are a vulgar troll. |
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Beach Runner wrote: > > > usual suspect wrote: > >> Beach Runner wrote: >> >>> I recently posted a scientist that was a whistle blower, >> >> >> >> No, you didn't. You posted a LINK to a conspiracy theory forum on a >> website about paranormal subjects that mentioned an alleged scientist >> who's allegedly making claims against the government. It's about as >> credible as the tabloid _Weekly World News_. >> >>> to the point of offering to take a lie detector test. >> >> >> >> One's offer to take polygraph doesn't make one credible. >> >>> Mad cow cases met with shrug instead of safeguards >>> Mon Aug 1, 6:48 AM ET >>> >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...adofsafeguards >>> >>> When bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, >>> first surfaced in the United States in 2003, cattle ranchers and >>> government officialsshrugged it off as a cow infected in Canada >>> before being imported here. >>> >>> When a native-born cow tested positive this June, they explained it >>> away once again, saying the animal was infected before cattle feed >>> restrictions were put in place in 1997. >> >> >> >> And that cow, like the first, was over the age of 10 years. Like the >> first, it was not headed into any food supply -- human or animal. >> >>> And when a third possible domestic case surfaced last week, >> >> >> >> And it tested NEGATIVE for BSE: >> >> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3295454 >> >>> they >>> hastened to note that the 12-year-old cow hadn't entered the food >>> chain. >>> >>> The story is always the same. >> >> >> >> The story is the same because only TWO cattle in the US have ever >> tested BSE-positive -- that's out of an estimated 40 million cattle >> slaughtered in the US every year (about 85% go to the human food >> supply, the rest to the animal food supply). BOTH of those BSE+ cattle >> were over 12 years-old, which is "aged" by cattle standards. BOTH BSE+ >> cattle were kept out of the *entire* food supply; NEITHER was ever >> headed to the human food supply because their ages would make their >> meat unsuitable for human consumption. The age of the TWO cattle was >> the issue; there is no detected BSE epidemic in the US or Canada.- Read my lips. The ONLY way the disease can is caused is by eating food that is illegal. The only logical conclusion is that it is not an isolated incident. This shows that the cattle food industry is either ignorant (which has been shown), and does not care, (which I can't prove). The whistle blower was a scientist ready to take a lie detector test. While they are not admissible in court, the FBI, CIA, and DIS all use it. It is a very accurate test and why not take the test? Why won't the FDA let independent labs test animals to expose their cover-up? Time for your vulgarities. Incidentally, in yahoo their are moderated groups which would take out people hat are vulgar. We all want veg*n interests and want to discus what precautions are necessary. Meanwhile more people die yearly from meat consumption related heart disease. True, a little lean meat with exercise reduces the effect, but that's not people's habits. Unusual Suspects is a vulgar person that attacks every veg*n. Not discusses the specifics and how to make it healthier, he just attacks. The person is mean. I chose to stay with it to protect newcomers. I have no idea why he is so mean. His latest pulling my comment out of comment, after insulting the sexuality of my son for a sport he was recruited was especially nasty. I posted Dr. Gregers posting, well documented and he complained, after complaining that I don't post entire posts. Vegans thanked me for the posting. I wish him well in spite of his mean streak. I hope he considers why he is so mean. We are willing to help him, anonymously with his mean streak. He is correct, mad cow disease has small numbers compared with heart disease. Yet how many people had mad cow disease and were blamed with Alzheimer or dementia? Maybe a much larger number? >> >> That's two BSE+ cattle out of ~120,000,000 in the last three years, or >> a known infection rate of 0.000001667%. In other words, you hysterical >> twit, BSE incidence in the United States is *ANOMALOUS*. We shouldn't >> make policy on the basis of anomalies. Only you radical leftists think >> we should because you believe the end (i.e., forcing everyone to live >> like *you* think they should) justifies the means. You're an >> irrational, hysterical, bumbling ass. >> >> <...> > > > You ignore export plants that off to do their own testing, You take > funded sites by agents as gospel. And you are a vulgar troll. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
>>> I recently posted a scientist that was a whistle blower, >> >> No, you didn't. You posted a LINK to a conspiracy theory forum on a >> website about paranormal subjects that mentioned an alleged scientist >> who's allegedly making claims against the government. It's about as >> credible as the tabloid _Weekly World News_. >> >>> to the point of offering to take a lie detector test. >> >> One's offer to take polygraph doesn't make one credible. >> >>> Mad cow cases met with shrug instead of safeguards >>> Mon Aug 1, 6:48 AM ET >>> >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...adofsafeguards >>> >>> When bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, >>> first surfaced in the United States in 2003, cattle ranchers and >>> government officialsshrugged it off as a cow infected in Canada >>> before being imported here. >>> >>> When a native-born cow tested positive this June, they explained it >>> away once again, saying the animal was infected before cattle feed >>> restrictions were put in place in 1997. >> >> And that cow, like the first, was over the age of 10 years. Like the >> first, it was not headed into any food supply -- human or animal. >> >>> And when a third possible domestic case surfaced last week, >> >> And it tested NEGATIVE for BSE: >> >> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3295454 >> >>> they >>> hastened to note that the 12-year-old cow hadn't entered the food >>> chain. >>> >>> The story is always the same. >> >> The story is the same because only TWO cattle in the US have ever >> tested BSE-positive -- that's out of an estimated 40 million cattle >> slaughtered in the US every year (about 85% go to the human food >> supply, the rest to the animal food supply). BOTH of those BSE+ cattle >> were over 12 years-old, which is "aged" by cattle standards. BOTH BSE+ >> cattle were kept out of the *entire* food supply; NEITHER was ever >> headed to the human food supply because their ages would make their >> meat unsuitable for human consumption. The age of the TWO cattle was >> the issue; there is no detected BSE epidemic in the US or Canada. >> >> That's two BSE+ cattle out of ~120,000,000 in the last three years, or >> a known infection rate of 0.000001667%. In other words, you hysterical >> twit, BSE incidence in the United States is *ANOMALOUS*. We shouldn't >> make policy on the basis of anomalies. Only you radical leftists think >> we should because you believe the end (i.e., forcing everyone to live >> like *you* think they should) justifies the means. You're an >> irrational, hysterical, bumbling ass. >> >> <...> > > You ignore export plants that off to do their own testing, The irony of your illiterate point is that you're arguing for privatized testing of part of the food supply. The fact remains that only two aged cows in the US have ever tested positive for BSE. In the time since the first detected case, nearly 120 million cattle have been slaughtered. The infection rate is ~0.000001667%. > You take funded sites by agents as gospel. No, I take a look at *two out of 120 million* cattle and wonder why your knickers are in a twist. I'm not going to fret over such anomalies, particularly when those two animals were NEVER going to enter the human food supply. They didn't even enter the animal food supply. They were destroyed. > And you are a vulgar troll. You're upset because I'm right and because you cannot address the facts about this issue. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
> > > Beach Runner wrote: > >> >> >> usual suspect wrote: >> >>> Beach Runner wrote: >>> >>>> I recently posted a scientist that was a whistle blower, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No, you didn't. You posted a LINK to a conspiracy theory forum on a >>> website about paranormal subjects that mentioned an alleged scientist >>> who's allegedly making claims against the government. It's about as >>> credible as the tabloid _Weekly World News_. >>> >>>> to the point of offering to take a lie detector test. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> One's offer to take polygraph doesn't make one credible. >>> >>>> Mad cow cases met with shrug instead of safeguards >>>> Mon Aug 1, 6:48 AM ET >>>> >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...adofsafeguards >>>> >>>> When bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, >>>> first surfaced in the United States in 2003, cattle ranchers and >>>> government officialsshrugged it off as a cow infected in Canada >>>> before being imported here. >>>> >>>> When a native-born cow tested positive this June, they explained it >>>> away once again, saying the animal was infected before cattle feed >>>> restrictions were put in place in 1997. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And that cow, like the first, was over the age of 10 years. Like the >>> first, it was not headed into any food supply -- human or animal. >>> >>>> And when a third possible domestic case surfaced last week, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And it tested NEGATIVE for BSE: >>> >>> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3295454 >>> >>>> they >>>> hastened to note that the 12-year-old cow hadn't entered the food >>>> chain. >>>> >>>> The story is always the same. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The story is the same because only TWO cattle in the US have ever >>> tested BSE-positive -- that's out of an estimated 40 million cattle >>> slaughtered in the US every year (about 85% go to the human food >>> supply, the rest to the animal food supply). BOTH of those BSE+ >>> cattle were over 12 years-old, which is "aged" by cattle standards. >>> BOTH BSE+ cattle were kept out of the *entire* food supply; NEITHER >>> was ever headed to the human food supply because their ages would >>> make their meat unsuitable for human consumption. The age of the TWO >>> cattle was the issue; there is no detected BSE epidemic in the US or >>> Canada.- > > > Read my lips. Who the **** do you think you are? > The ONLY way the disease can is caused Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate buffoon. > is by eating food that is illegal. You're either ignorant (believable) or a willful liar (also believable, given your history of misstating the positions of various organizations, etc.). It is possible that BSE originated as a (rare) spontaneous event in cattle and that the BSE agent is different from the scrapie agent. http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/weissmann_rep.html See also: http://www.food-info.net/uk/qa/qa-bse02.htm http://www.eufic.org/gb/safe/safe05.htm#p2 http://chppm-www.apgea.army.mil/MadC...e/QA-BSE.asp#2 <...> > The whistle blower was a scientist ready to take a lie detector test. BFD. That doesn't prove ANYTHING. > While they are not admissible in court, the FBI, CIA, and > DIS all use it. So the **** what? > It is a very accurate test and why not take the test? It's entirely irrelevant. It's a red herring. > Why won't the FDA let independent labs test animals to expose their > cover-up? Anyone can go test meat after they've bought it. > Time for your vulgarities. You shit out of your mouth. > Incidentally, in yahoo their are moderated groups which would take out > people hat are vulgar. So the **** what? > We all want veg*n interests and want to discus what precautions are > necessary. What precautions, you twit? You want to say that TWO out of ONE-HUNDRED, TWENTY BSE+ cattle, neither of which was EVER intended for the human food supply, constitutes some kind of epidemic. You're a Chicken Little. The sky isn't falling, you twit. Your alarmism is the antithesis of reason or science. > Meanwhile more people die yearly from meat consumption related heart > disease. No, they get heart disease from a lack of exercise in relation to the amount of saturated fats they eat. Veg-ns also get heart disease for the same reason, numb nuts. > True, a little lean meat with exercise reduces the effect, > but that's not people's habits. Then work to educate them about ALL their choices, not offering them your all or nothing approach based on half-truths (which are still full lies) and misplaced hysteria. > Unusual Suspects is a vulgar person that attacks every veg*n. Not every veg-n, just ones who stupidly use distortions to peddle their vegan flim-flam. > Not discusses the specifics and how to make it healthier, You ****ing dipshit, go review my posting history for comments about healthful habits. I've cited facts about the relationship between certain kinds of dietary fats and how they affect serum cholesterol levels; I've regularly commented on the benefits of regular exercise; I've also corrected the lie that people like you peddle about all meat being bad. > he just attacks. You consider the truth an attack. Fine. I suppose the truth does hurt. I just happen to think your vegan lies hurt a lot more. > The person is mean. I chose to stay with it to protect newcomers. You're a bumbling twit. You're not "protecting" anyone or anything. Your belief system is a house of cards, and it's already crashed because veganism was never a valid solution to the problems you claim exist. Animals STILL die to produce your diet, your diet isn't inherently healthier than any other, etc. > I posted Dr. Gregers posting, well documented and he complained, after > complaining that I don't post entire posts. Vegans thanked me for the > posting. Two people thanked you, moron. > I wish him well in spite of his mean streak. Oh yeah, then why did you threaten me with violence? > I hope he considers why he > is so mean. We are willing to help him, anonymously with his mean streak. I neither need nor want your "help," you twit. > He is correct, mad cow disease has small numbers compared with heart > disease. Yet how many people had mad cow disease and were blamed with > Alzheimer or dementia? Maybe a much larger number? No, and I've already cited the post-mortem studies in which previously diagnosed cases of Alzheimer's proved to be CJD (*NOT* vCJD). Those studies were very small. The fact remains, though, that those people were elderly and died from a degenerative disorder. That's what happens as people age: they get sick and eventually die. Veganism is not immunity to death. >>> That's two BSE+ cattle out of ~120,000,000 in the last three years, >>> or a known infection rate of 0.000001667%. In other words, you >>> hysterical twit, BSE incidence in the United States is *ANOMALOUS*. >>> We shouldn't make policy on the basis of anomalies. Only you radical >>> leftists think we should because you believe the end (i.e., forcing >>> everyone to live like *you* think they should) justifies the means. >>> You're an irrational, hysterical, bumbling ass. >>> >>> <...> >> >> >> >> You ignore export plants that off to do their own testing, You take >> funded sites by agents as gospel. And you are a vulgar troll. |
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usual suspect wrote: > >> The ONLY way the disease can is caused > > > Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate > buffoon. > >> is by eating food that is illegal. > He takes a complete sentence, chops it in half, so each half looks incomplete. |
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Bumbling Twit wrote:
>>> The ONLY way the disease can is caused >> >> Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate >> buffoon. >> >>> is by eating food that is illegal. > > He takes a complete sentence, chops it in half, so each half looks > incomplete. You wrote: The ONLY way the disease can is caused is by eating food that is illegal. That is a very poorly worded sentence, as most of yours are. "Can is caused" is an inappropriate choice of verbs, especially for someone who claims to have a graduate degree from Columbia. |
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You are right, because is better than can.
usual suspect wrote: > Bumbling Twit wrote: > >>>> The ONLY way the disease can is caused >>> >>> >>> Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate >>> buffoon. >>> >>>> is by eating food that is illegal. >> >> >> He takes a complete sentence, chops it in half, so each half looks >> incomplete. > > > You wrote: > The ONLY way the disease can is caused is by eating food that is > illegal. > > That is a very poorly worded sentence, as most of yours are. "Can is > caused" is an inappropriate choice of verbs, especially for someone who > claims to have a graduate degree from Columbia. |
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Beach Runner wrote:
> You are right, I know. > because is better than can. You still can't write a clear or complete sentence, and I'm not talking about interjecting my statements between clauses. > usual suspect wrote: > >> Bumbling Twit wrote: >> >>>>> The ONLY way the disease can is caused >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate >>>> buffoon. >>>> >>>>> is by eating food that is illegal. >>> >>> >>> >>> He takes a complete sentence, chops it in half, so each half looks >>> incomplete. >> >> >> >> You wrote: >> The ONLY way the disease can is caused is by eating food that is >> illegal. >> >> That is a very poorly worded sentence, as most of yours are. "Can is >> caused" is an inappropriate choice of verbs, especially for someone >> who claims to have a graduate degree from Columbia. |
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Beach Runner wrote: > You are right, because is better than can. > > usual suspect wrote: > >> Bumbling Twit wrote: >> >>>>> The ONLY way the disease can is caused >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate >>>> buffoon. >>>> >>>>> is by eating food that is illegal. >>> >>> >>> >>> He takes a complete sentence, chops it in half, so each half looks >>> incomplete. >> >> >> >> You wrote: >> The ONLY way the disease can is caused is by eating food that is >> illegal. >> >> That is a very poorly worded sentence, as most of yours are. "Can is >> caused" is an inappropriate choice of verbs, especially for someone >> who claims to have a graduate degree from Columbia. I admit the typo. Doesn't change the facts. |
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on the other hand the data is relevant.
Nuclear energy is not our future, It could ruin the food supply, and also ill humans, humans are animals too. see http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key...2001-12-08.htm Beach Runner wrote: > > > usual suspect wrote: > >> > >>> The ONLY way the disease can is caused >> >> >> >> Try writing just one clear and complete sentence, you semi-literate >> buffoon. >> >>> is by eating food that is illegal. >> >> > > He takes a complete sentence, chops it in half, so each half looks > incomplete. |
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