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CONTENTS

I. Latest Updates in Human Nutrition

A. Making the Healthiest Food on Earth Even Healthier
B. Treating Springtime Allergies with Spirulina?
C. Figs Fight Fatigue
D. Heart Attacks, Side-Effects, or a Healthy Diet
E. Plant-Based Diets Beneficial in Pregnancy
F. Soy and Cancer: A Meta-Analysis
G. Dairy Diet Myth
H. ATTACK OF THE SUPERBUGS
-Chicken Out of Urinary Tract Infections
-Campylobacter Joins the Resistance
-The Hard-Boiled Truth: Salmonella and Eggs
-Don't Wash Your Meat
-Bacteria or Cancer

II. Bird Flu Update
Perfect Storm Gathering

III. Carbophobia Update
Atkins Is Toast

IV. Personal Update
New Job and New 501c3 Status


I. LATEST UPDATES IN VEG NUTRITION


A. Making the Healthiest Food on Earth Even Healthier


A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
Science in the Public Interest's Nutrition Action Healthletter: "Get a
bunch of nutrition experts in a room and the conversation will
inevitably turn to dark leafy greens."[1] How true that is. And two new
studies just discovered two ways to make your daily (at least!) green
leafy salad even healthier.

It's not enough to eat healthy food, we also have to
absorb it. One of the key components that makes dark green leafies so
nutritious are the carotenoid antioxidants, like alpha-carotene,
beta-carotene, and lutein. These compounds are lipophilic, though.
"Lipo-" is from lipos, the Greek word for fat (as in liposuction);
"-philic" is from the word philia, one of the four Greek words for love
(as in... well we won't get into that). So these carotenoid nutrients
are fat-loving molecules, and as such our body can use ingested fat to
entice out these nutrients trapped within our greens.

So researchers at Ohio State University paid about a
dozen people to eat salads (this is America, you've got to PAY people to
eat salad) with or without avocado, one of the healthiest sources of
fat, and then measured the amount of carotenoids that made it into
everyone's bloodstream. Those eating a salad including half an avocado
absorbed about 10 times more carotenoids than those eating the fat-free
salad![2]

Would the same hold true for the lycopene in salsa?
Lycopene doubles as an extremely powerful carotenoid antioxidant and the
red pigment that makes fruits and vegetables like watermelons and
tomatoes red. Adding avocado to salsa more than quadrupled the amount of
lycopene absorbed by test subjects.[3] (You wouldn't have to pay me to
be in that study--yum!)

The other salad enhancement study recently took place
at the Universitia di Urbino in Italy. With the understanding that it's
the antioxidants that give fruits and vegetables their anticancer,
antiviral, and anti-inflammation properties, scientists experimented
with adding different fresh herbs to salads and measuring their
resultant total antioxidant content. They found that adding just a
single sprig of fresh herbs (the weight of 3 paper clips worth of thyme,
sage or marjoram--a kissing cousin of oregano) literally doubles the
antioxidant power of a bowl of salad. It's almost like eating two salads
for the price of one! The researchers conclude: "We stress the need to
introduce aromatic herbs as a seasoning supplement in the diet of every
age group."[5]

Right now at farmers' markets and plant nurseries
across the country are little pots of herbs desperate for a good home.
Take them in, nurture them, then rip off their limbs and eat them.

B. Treating Springtime Allergies with Spirulina?

People have been harvesting pond scum for thousands of
years. The Aztecs, for example, were skimming it off lakes and into
their diets half a millennia ago. Were they onto something?

Spirulina is one of the most popular blue-green algae
supplements on the market. In addition to being one of the most
concentrated known source of nutrients (though how much of it can you
really eat?), there is building evidence of its anti-inflammatory
properties. To see if it might be of therapeutic value to seasonal
allergy sufferers, researchers at the University of California at Davis
School of Medicine enrolled 3 dozen sniffley sneezers into a randomized,
double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover study (one of the most
rigorous study designs to minimize various biases). Compared to placebo,
participants taking 2 grams of spirulina a day were able to cut their
production of inflammatory mediator Interleukin-4, a chief conductor of
allergic reactions within the body, by over 30%.[7]

So should those with runny noses run out and grab some?
Two months ago I would have said yes, but not now. I was actually in
Hawai'i, the spirulina export capital of the world, when the bombshell
hit. Published in the journal of the most prestigious scientific body in
the United States, the National Academy of Sciences, researchers came to
a disturbing revelation about the safety of blue-green algae in general.

We've known for years that a few rare types of
blue-green algae could produce hepatotoxins (compounds toxic to the
liver), but spirulina was considered generally[8] free of any such
toxins.[9] But in April 2005 a coordinated effort of researchers across
the world found evidence that almost all blue-green algae seem to be
able to produce a neurotoxin called BMAA (beta-N-methylamino-L-alanine).
BMAA is bad stuff. It's been implicated in a neurodegenerative disease
as horrible as its name sounds, amyotrophic lateral
sclerosis/parkinsonism-dementia complex. This disease attacked the
Chamorro people of Guam who were eating flying foxes, who in turn were
eating seeds of a cycad tree, whose watery roots concentrated the toxin
from a certain type of algae.

Now with this new study we know that the production of
this neurotoxin is not limited to some rare Guam algae, but may be
produced by almost all blue-green algae under the right conditions. So
it turns out the only two places you may be likely to find BMAA is in
the brains of Alzheimer's patients[10] and on the store shelves of your
local natural foods store in the form of blue-green algae.[11]

Until we know more, I strongly discourage people from
eating blue/green algae (including the spirulina that, until April, was
what made the popcorn I always smuggled into the movie theatre such a
brilliant green hue). Those interested in reducing inflammation will
have to choose other plant foods like--as one recent article published
in the Journal of Nutrition discovered--gazpacho, a vegetable soup which
"decreased biomarkers of inflammation in both women and men."[12]

C. Figs Fight Fatigue

In search of some of the most nutrient-dense foods in
existence, chemists at the University of Scranton in Pennsylvania
started looking at dried fruit. Since 90% of a fruit's weight is water,
they figured that dried fruit might be ten times more nutritious by
weight than fresh. Well, it didn't quite work out that way. The drying
process destroyed about 80% of the chief antioxidant compounds, but,
given that the nutrition in dried fruit is ten times more concentrated,
dried fruits did still come out ahead, finishing out with about 10% more
antioxidant content than fresh (by weight). And with all the fiber and
minerals intact, dried fruit did test out to be little nutrition
powerhouses.

A new study out of Korea just found that the
antioxidant boost provided by fruit consumption only seems to last about
2 hours.[13] So carrying around some trail mix is a convenient way to
make sure your body is constantly flooded with antioxidants throughout
the day. Which dried fruits are the best? Of the six fruits
tested--apricots, cranberries, dates, figs, raisins and plums--shooting
to a surprise finish at number one was... figs! (OK, OK, the study was
paid for in part by the California Fig Advisory Board, but still...).

Aren't dried fruits packed with concentrated sugars
though? And isn't sugar a pro-oxidant? Well, yes, but dried (and fresh)
fruits are so packed with antioxidants that not only do they
successfully counter the potential detriment of their own sugar, they
are powerful enough to take on a can of Coke, too. When you drink a
dozen spoonfuls of sugar in a soft drink (aka "liquid candy"), the
antioxidant capacity of your blood drops dramatically as your body
starts using up its antioxidant stores to deal with the oxidant stress
caused by all that sugar. Well what if you doubled the amount of sugar
you ingested by drinking a cup of soda with a serving of dried figs on
top? Even the high fructose corn syrup in the soda is no match for the
antioxidant power of fruit. Despite the double sugar load, subjects
washing down their figs with soda still experienced an overall rise in
antioxidant levels in their bloodstream.[14] No, that doesn't mean you
can eat or drink all the candy you want as long as you pop a few
raisins. Stick with the fruit.

In addition to having the highest antioxidant content
among the six fruits tested, of the thousands of whole foods in the USDA
nutrient database, figs make the top ten for fiber content.

(For the curious, the top five are #1. Cloud ear
mushrooms (the number one fiber-containing whole food on the planet and
I've never even heard of it?), #2. Flax seeds (I've heard of those), #3.
Sesame seeds, #4. Dried unsweetened coconut, and #5. Air-popped popcorn).

And fiber consumption, according a new review, may help
boost energy levels.[15] Half the fiber we swallow is eaten by the good
bacteria in our colon. Our colonic comrades ferment the fiber we eat
into short-chain fatty acids, which our body then absorbs and sends
straight to our muscles to be used as a ready fuel source. Of course,
another byproduct of this fermentation product is gas, some of which is
absorbed by other bacteria to produce even more fuel for us, but the
rest of which is indeed excreted. Maybe a more appropriate title would
be Fight Fatigue with Fig Farts.

D. Heart Attacks, Side-Effects, or a Healthy Diet

One of the laws of ecology is that you cannot do just
one thing (because everything is connected to everything else). Yet,
when physicians put people on statin drugs to cripple the enzyme that
produces cholesterol within your liver, they hope there won't be any
other effects. Unfortunately within the ecology of the body that too
often is not the case. About one in six people on these
cholesterol-lowering drugs experience other untoward effects,[16] and
there is growing concern about the very rare (but very serious)
life-threatening adverse reactions to this class of drugs. We've known
about the potential for rare cases of these drugs causing muscle
breakdown, but recently there's been increasing concern about rare cases
of these drugs causing nerve breakdown--a so-called drug-induced
polyneuropathy.[17] It seems that statins may also co-cripple the
synthesis of a key energy-producing enzyme in nerve cells. Thankfully,
one doesn't have to choose between the risk of getting a heart attack
and the risk of suffering side-effects from life-long drug therapy.
That's because David Jenkins has done it again.

Currently one of the world's most respected nutrition
researchers (it was his team that invented the glycemic index), Dr.
Jenkins has just published yet another study proving that a completely
plant-based (vegan) diet alone can lower cholesterol levels as much as
the combination of a low-fat vegetarian diet and a statin drug.[18]
Although, as drugs go, statins seem remarkably safe, users do risk
(albeit extremely rarely) being written up as case reports with
unpleasant names like "Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis from Atorvastatin."
That one, published in the Journal of the AMA, described a horror story
of a woman whose skin erupted in blisters and then started necrosing
off. Patches of her skin started disintegrating and sloughing off after
only four days on the statin drug. After two weeks on a morphine drip,
thankfully, she pulled through.[19] Contrast that with the side effects
of a healthy plant-based diet. What's the worse that can happen? Maybe
less reading time on the toilet because you're not constipated anymore?

As the revered Moses Maimonides wrote in the 12th
century: "No illness which can be treated by diet should be treated by
any other means."

E. Plant-Based Diets Beneficial in Pregnancy

Adequate magnesium status is critical for the health of
both mother and fetus during pregnancy. Magnesium deficiency during
pregnancy is associated with everything from bothersome calf muscle
cramps to a potentially life-threatening complication called eclampsia.
So where is magnesium found? Well, it forms the core of chlorophyll
molecules, so--you guessed it--dark green leafy vegetables, as well as
beans, seeds and whole grains. So researchers at the German Institute of
Human Nutrition reasoned that women who followed plant-based diets would
have a better magnesium status and fewer magnesium deficiency-related
complications than those following the Standard American Diet (SAD).
And, that's exactly what they found.

They followed over a hundred women through their
pregnancies and not only did those following a plant-based diet indeed
have "markedly" higher magnesium intakes, but they had significantly
fewer leg cramps during the second and third trimesters. The researchers
conclude that this is in line with the "substantial evidence from many
studies that plant-based or vegetarian diets can reduce the risk for
many nutrition-related diseases."[20]

F. Soy and Cancer: A Meta-Analysis

Some studies suggest that soy consumption prevents
cancer, some studies find no association and internet sites like
Mercola.com suggest that ingesting soy actually causes cancer. (Joseph
Mercola, who boasts the "#1 natural health website," just received a
warning letter from the FDA ordering him to stop making illegal claims
about the products he sells. See
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/.../mercola.shtml). So what
does the balance of evidence show? That's where a meta-analysis comes in.

Instead of picking and choosing studies to suit one's
agenda, meta-analyses look at essentially every study ever done on a
topic and kind of pool the data all together. A meta-analysis of the
effect of soy on cholesterol levels back in the '90s, for example,
showed that the evidence of a cardio-protective role of soy was so
strong that the FDA authorized a health claim on soy products that they
may reduce the risk of heart disease. Now finally, published in a recent
issue of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, a
meta-analysis on the role of soy in cancer prevention.

Researchers looked at three types of cancer: breast
cancer, prostate cancer and gastrointestinal cancer (like colon cancer).
Combining all the best published studies, they found highly significant
reductions in cancer risk among consumers of soy products. Women of all
ages who eat soy enjoy 22% less breast cancer (36% less for
postmenopausal women!), male soy consumers are 34% less likely to get
prostate cancer, and both men and women who consume soy reduce their
risk of developing gastrointestinal cancer by 30%.[21]

The evidence is so strong that there is now another
health claim before the FDA--soon we may see labels saying that soy
protects against cancer as well.

G. Dairy Diet Myth

"Drink Milk... Lose Weight" say the ads which ran in
over 30 newspapers and magazines. October 2003, the dairy industry
launched an entire "Healthy Weight with Milk" campaign to boost sales.
Curiously, that also happened to be the same year a review of that exact
subject was published in the Journal of Nutrition. The review found nine
randomized controlled studies in the medical literature on body weight
and dairy. Seven of the nine studies found no significant change in body
weight compared to controls and the last two found that those who
increased their dairy consumption gained significantly more weight than
the nondairy control groups.[22] Subsequent and even larger studies
published in 2004[23] and 2005[24] showed the exact same thing.

So, wait a second. How can the dairy industry's ads
claim that "a clinical study shows it helps you burn more fat and lose
more weight than just cutting calories alone?" Well, because there is
actually one tiny study, published by Michael Zemel of the University of
Tennessee, which did find that the 11 study participants instructed to
eat more dairy did seem to lose more weight. Yes, of course the study
was bought and paid for by the dairy industry, but it goes further than
that. This guy Zemel owns a patent on the claim that dairy foods aid
weight loss, which is licensed to dairy food manufacturers. As the
Center for Science in the Public Interest noted, "In the world of
patents and PR, a little science can go a long way."[25]

Similar maneuverings were involved in the increased
dairy recommendation in the new USDA Dietary Guidelines, even though a
recent World Health Organization review found no significant
relationship at all between low dairy consumption and osteoporotic
fracture risk.[26] Assigned to write the dairy guideline was Connie
Weaver, head of nutrition at Purdue University and a funding favorite of
the National Dairy Council. Walter Willet, head of nutrition at Harvard,
calls the guideline committee's report "egregious," accusing them of
ignoring the evidence linking dairy to cancer. "There is no nutritional
requirement for dairy," Dr. Willet told the Wall Street Journal, "at
all."[27]

To hopefully clear up the dairy/weight question once
and for all, last week on June 6, 2005, Harvard researchers published
what may be considered the definitive study on the subject in the
Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. A study which followed
the milk-drinking habits of not 11 kids, or even 12 kids, but over
12,000 kids! After following these 9- though 14-year-olds for years,
they found that "children who reported higher total milk intake
experienced larger weight gains." The more milk they drank, the heavier
they became. Boys who drank the "recommended" three servings of milk a
day were 35% more likely to become overweight and girls who drank three
servings were 36% more likely to become overweight over time.[28]

"Given the high prevalence of lactose intolerance, the
energy content and saturated fat in milk, and evidence that dairy
products may promote both male (prostate) and female (ovarian) cancers,
we should not assume that high intakes [of dairy] are beneficial," the
researchers told reporters. "Furthermore, these cancers may be linked to
consumption during adolescence."[29]

What most surprised the researchers was that those who
drank low-fat milk (skim and 1%) gained the most weight of all! The
weight gain seemed tied more to the dairy protein intake than the dairy
fat intake (extra whey protein is often added to low-fat milk during
processing). Although there are at least four human studies that show
that the dairy protein whey itself may promote weight gain, the
researchers guessed that the blame lay in the growth hormones in milk,
like the sex steroid estrone found in whey. After all, milk is designed
by mother nature to start an 80-pound calf on her way to 1,400 pounds by
her second birthday.

This new study has serious implications for our
childhood obesity epidemic, which not only has devastating health
consequences but social consequences as well. A study released the same
week by researchers at the Centers for Disease Control found that teens
who perceived themselves as overweight were more than twice as likely to
attempt suicide.[30]

H. SUPERBUGS:
Chicken Out of Urinary Tract Infections

Urinary Tract Infections are the most common infectious
disease in women, affecting millions every year in the United States.
And they are getting harder and harder to treat as antibiotic resistance
among the chief pathogen, E. coli, becomes more and more common.

When people think of E. coli infection, they typically
think of the Jack-in-the-Box E. coli 0157:H7 infection, which starts as
hemorrhagic colitis (profuse bloody diarrhea) and can then progress to
kidney failure, seizures, coma and death. While E. coli 0157:H7 remains
the leading cause of acute kidney failure of our children in this
country,[31] only about 50,000 people get infected every year and only
about 50 die. But literally millions of people get what's called
"extraintestinal" E. coli infections--urinary tract infections (UTIs)
which can invade the bloodstream and cause an estimated 36,000 deaths
annually in the United States. That's over 500 times as many deaths as
E. coli 0157:H7. We know where E. coli 0157:H7 comes from--fecal
contamination from the meat, dairy and egg industries[32]--but where do
these other E. coli come from?

Medical researchers at the University of Minnesota
published a clue to the mystery this April in the Journal of Infectious
Disease. Taking over a thousand food samples from multiple retail
markets, they were not surprised to find evidence of fecal contamination
in 69% of the pork and beef and 92% of the poultry samples as evidenced
by E. coli contamination. We know meat products are crawling with
intestinal bugs. In fact, animal manure has been found to be the source
of more than 100 pathogens, including bacteria, parasites and viruses
that could be transmitted from animals to humans.[33]

More surprising was that ">80% of their E. coli
isolates from beef, pork, and poultry exhibited resistance to >=1
antimicrobial agent, and >50% of isolates from poultry were resistant to
>5 drugs!"[34] One rarely finds exclamation points in the medical
literature.

But what was most surprising was that, for example,
half of the poultry samples were contaminated with the extraintestinal
E. coli bacteria. It seems that the UTI-type E. coli are food-borne
pathogens as well, "found in many retail foods," the researchers write,
"particularly poultry but also beef or pork...."

The researchers conclude: "The highest prevalences and
densities of resistant E. coli and ExPEC [Extraintestinal Pathogenic E.
Coli] were found in meat products. This is consistent with contamination
of animal carcasses with the host's fecal flora during slaughter and
processing and with use of antimicrobial agents in food-animal
production." The researchers go so far as to say that the
extraintestinal pathogenic E. coli "may rival (or exceed) E. coli
O157:H7 as a foodborne pathogen."[35] Science News comments on a 2005
California study which found the same thing:[36] "According to new
research, this wave of multidrug-resistant UTIs may have a surprising
source: eating meat."[37] The scientists suspect by eating chicken and
other meat, women infect their lower intestinal tract with these
antibiotic-resistant bacteria which can then creep up into their
urethra. Commonsense hygeine measures to prevent UTI's have included
wiping from front to back after bowel movements and urinating after
intercourse to flush any infiltrators out. Now perhaps we can add a
third measu avoiding meat.

SUPERBUGS:
Campylobacter Joins the Resistance

Campylobacter is the most common bacterial cause of
food poisoning in the United States. One study found Campylobacter
contaminating 98% of retail chicken meat, the most common cause of
Campylobacter poisoning.[38] And the bacterium is growing dangerously
resistant to multiple classes of antibiotics. But we still have a few
big-gun antibiotics left to deal with resistant bugs. So, for the time
being (before the bacteria outsmart these new antibiotics as well), do
we have good evidence showing that partially resistant bugs like
Campylobacter currently pose a particular threat? We do now.

Typically, Campylobacter only causes a self-limited
diarrheal illness ("stomach flu") which doesn't require antibiotics. If
the gastroenteritis is particularly severe or if doctors suspect that
the bug may be working it's way from the gut into the bloodstream, the
initial drug of choice is typically a quinolone antibiotic like Cipro.
Quinolone antibiotics have been used in human medicine since the 1980s,
but widespread antibiotic-resistant Campylobacter didn't arise until
after quinolones were licensed for use in animal feed as growth
promoters in the early 1990s. In countries like Australia, which
reserved quinolones for human use only, resistant bacteria simply do not
exist.[88]

When the FDA announced they were intending to join
other countries and ban quinolone antibiotic use on U.S. poultry farms,
the drug manufacturer, Bayer, sued the FDA. Bayer lost the lawsuit last
year, but is currently appealing the decision. Meanwhile, poultry
factories continue to spike the chickens' water supply with these
antibiotics critical to human medicine. Evidence released in May 2005
found that retail chicken samples from such factories are more than 450
time more likely to carry antibiotic-resistant bugs. Even companies like
Tyson and Purdue which supposedly stopped using antibiotics years ago
are still churning out antibiotic-resistant bacteria-infected chicken.
Scientists think the bacteria that became resistant years before are
still hiding within the often dirt floors of the massive broiler sheds
or within the piping of the water supply. Another possibility is that
the carcasses of the chickens raised under so-called "Antibiotic Free"
conditions are contaminated with resistant bacteria from slaughterhouse
equipment which can process over 200,000 birds in a single hour.[88]

In someone infected with Campylobacter, if the initial
quinolone antibiotic isn't effective, doctors switch to stronger
antibiotics reserved as a last resort. Does this delay lead to poorer
patient outcomes? Scientists recently studied thousands of patients with
Campylobacter infection to answer that question, and, indeed, the delay
in treatment caused by quinolone-resistant Campylobacter led to up to
ten times more complications--infections of the brain, the heart, and
the most frequent serious complication they noted, death.[39]

SUPERBUGS:
The Hard-Boiled Truth: Salmonella and Eggs

In June 2005, the Centers for Disease Control released
data showing resistant Salmonella led to serious complications as
well.[40] Foodborne Salmonella emerged in the Northeast in the late
1970s and has now spread throughout North America. Salmonella
hospitalizes thousands of people every year and kills hundreds. And
Salmonella infection can be the gift that keeps on giving: Salmonella
infections can lead to chronic conditions such as arthritis, bone
infections, cardiac inflammation and neurological disorders.[41]

In the United States, more than one in five "broiler"
chickens may be Salmonella infected (at least in Russian roulette, there
are six chambers).[42] But it's even more of a problem with egg-laying
hens. Eggs are the primary vehicle for the spread of Salmonella bacteria
to humans, causing an estimated 80% of outbreaks. This year, the CDC
published the first estimate of how many Americans get Salmonella from
eggs every year. According to the best data we have, eating
Salmonella-infected eggs may cause 168,000 illnesses every year in the
United States alone.[43] A comic strip in my office helps explain the
level of infection:

Father and daughter are in the grocery store.
"That's a cow's tongue?!" the girl exclaims, face contorted in disgust.
"EEEEww...I would never eat anything that was in a cow's mouth!"

"Me neither," replies the father not looking up
from his shopping list. "Let's see..." he continues, "where are the eggs?"

Ruthie stops. "Wait a minute!" she exclaims, eyes
wide in realization.

Can't you just wash off the eggs? Unfortunately, no.
Many of the tainted eggs are infected within the hens' ovaries even
before the shell forms, so you can't wash away the infection. And, as
we'll see, washing meat doesn't work either.

SUPERBUGS:
Don't Wash Your Meat

Can't you just wash off meat like one rinses off fruits
and vegetables? No. In fact, the new federal dietary guidelines
specifically recommend that "meat and poultry should not be washed or
rinsed." The USDA explains: "Bacteria in raw meat and poultry juices can
be spread to other foods, utensils, and surfaces." Juices? Animals are
not fruits. They don't have juice. In chickens, for example, the "juice"
is a fecal soup of bloody serum absorbed in the scalding and cooling
tanks in the slaughter house. Further, the infection is actually inside
these animals.

Millions of chickens are drowned alive in the scalding
tanks (the federal Humane Slaughter Act exempts all birds), which may
introduce the pathogens into their lungs. However new research from the
USDA's chief scientific research agency suggests that the primary source
of lung contamination with bacteria like Campylobacter is inhaled manure
during production (where up to tens of thousands of chickens are
overcrowded into broiler sheds) or during transport.[44]

The June 2005 issue of the Tufts University Health and
Nutrition Letter notes: "Your own hands, where they grasped the meat
while washing it, could become just as bacteria-laden as the surface of
the food... The best bet is to leave meat or poultry untouched until you
start cooking it"[45] (what are you supposed to do--levitate it into the
oven?) New research, though, suggests that even this precaution may not
be enough.

In March 2005, researchers published a study in which
they swabbed the external surface of prepackaged raw meat in the grocery
stores for fecal contamination. And did they ever find it. Even though
most of the packages looked clean on the outside, they found Salmonella,
Campylobacter and multidrug-resistant E. coli on the outer surface of
packages of meat. Just picking up a package of meat in the store could
put one at risk.

Poultry beat out the competition for the most
contamination, followed by lamb, pork and beef. One swab of a single
Q-tip picked up over 10,000 live E. Coli bacteria. As few as 10 bacteria
of the hemorrhagic type (E. coli 0157:H7) can lead to a potentially
fatal infection.[46] The researchers conclude, "The external packaging
of raw meats is a vehicle for potential cross-contamination by
Campylobacter, Salmonella, and E. coli in retail premises and consumers'
homes."[47]

OK, fine, but what if you handled the meat like they do
in the lab--first wiping the package off with rubbing alcohol using
sterile gloves, then cutting it open with a disposable blade before
lifting a piece out with sterile forceps into the oven--once it's cooked
to the proper temperature it's safe, right? Unfortunately, the internal
temperature required to cook the fecal contamination dead (160 degrees
F) is the same temperatures which produces carcinogenic compounds called
heterocyclic amines.

SUPERBUGS:
Bacteria or Cancer

In May 2005, a major review of these cooked-meat
carcinogens was published by researchers at the U.S. Department of
Energy. When skeletal muscles are heated beyond a certain
temperature--be it moist heat (boiling) or dry heat (broiling, frying,
grilling)--the muscle creatine combines with blood sugars and amino
acids to create heterocyclic amine carcinogens. Of all the meats tested,
cooked chicken breast formed the highest levels of these toxins.

Although there are cooking methods that result in lower
carcinogen concentrations (marinating followed by a microwaving
pretreatment and pouring off of the "juices," followed by relatively low
temperature frying with frequent flipping), there does not seem to be a
way to cook meat to an internal temperature necessary to kill off
bacteria without producing at least some carcinogenic compounds. And
even low doses have been shown to cause human DNA mutations which could
lead to cancer.

Human studies suggest that eating well-done meat can
raise the risk of breast cancer, prostate cancer, and colon cancer by
more than 400%. The researchers conclude, "There is a general consensus
that human exposure to potent genotoxic heterocyclic amine carcinogens
produced in meat during cooking is widespread."[48] Meat consumers are
then faced with a dilemma, choosing between the risks of food poisoning
or cancer.


II. BIRD FLU UPDATE: Prefect Storm Gathering


In my last update in March 2005 ("Bird Flu Spreads its
Wings" http://www.drgreger.org/march2005.html) we were left with a New
Scientist editorial entitled "Bird Flu Outbreak Could Kill 1.5 Billion
People" and the head of the World Health Organization in Asia saying
"The world is now in the gravest possible danger of a pandemic." Well,
according to the World Health Organization (WHO), the situation is now
even graver.

The WHO convened an emergency meeting last month, May
2005, to discuss the latest findings. They issued a press release: "[The
findings] demonstrate that the viruses are continuing to evolve and pose
a continuing and potentially growing pandemic threat."

There are three essential conditions necessary to
produce the next pandemic. First, a new virus arises from a nonhuman
animal reservoir (such that humans have no natural immunity to it).
Second, the virus evolves to be able to kill human beings efficiently.
Third, the virus must evolve to be able to spread between humans
easily--via a sneeze or handshake. So far, conditions one and two have
been met in spades. Three strikes and we're out.

At this time, nearly all of the human deaths have
"involved people who lived or worked with poultry, poultry meat or eggs
in Southeast Asia."[49] USDA researchers tested thigh and breast meat in
chickens and effectively proved in a study published March 2005 that
chicken meat from infected birds can indeed be a source of
infection.[50] While UN officials have urged people to stop drinking
duck's blood[51] and eating "tiet canh" (congealed duck blood pudding)
the fear is that once bird flu has enough chances to mutate inside of
human hosts, it can then flood across the world human-to-human like the
bird flu epidemic did in 1918.

The global mortality from the 1918 pandemic has
recently been revised upwards to as many as 100 million people dead.[52]
Experts fear this new virus may turn out many times more deadly. "This
is the worst flu virus I have ever seen or worked with or read about,"
one virology chair who has been studying avian influenza strains for
decades told a reporter. "We have to prepare as if we're going to war
and the public needs to understand that clearly... if this does happen,
and I fully expect it will, there will be no place for any of us to
hide. Not in the United States or in Europe or in a bunker somewhere.
The virus is a very promiscuous and efficient killer."[53] The top
Russian virologist offers a potential death count: "Up to one billion
people could die around the whole world in six months... We are half a
step away from a worldwide pandemic catastrophe."[54]

Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the U.S. Center for
Infectious Disease Research and Policy, is probably our nation's top
expert. He continues to make attempts to describe the ensuing
unimaginable horror. He suggests people consider the devastation of the
recent tsunamis in South Asia: "Duplicate it in every major urban centre
and rural community around the planet simultaneously, add in the
paralyzing fear and panic of contagion, and we begin to get some sense
of the potential of pandemic influenza.[55] An influenza pandemic of
even moderate impact will result in the biggest single human disaster
ever--far greater than AIDS, 9/11, all wars in the 20th century and the
recent tsunami combined. It has the potential to redirect world history
as the Black Death redirected European history in the 14th century."[56]

Nature is considered by many to be the most prestigious
scientific journal in the world. They commissioned their senior reporter
in Paris to write a fictional yet realistic account of how the pandemic
could be expected to unfold. Writing as a blogger in December 2005, it's
fiction, but not fantasy. Read it in full at
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/0505...l/435400a.html.

According to the top experts in the world, these bird
flu scenarios are not just Chicken Little stories. "We're not crying
wolf," swears Canada's top expert, head of the national microbiology
lab. "There is a wolf. We just don't know when it's coming."[57] The
head of the CDC's International Emerging Infections Program in Thailand
agrees: "The world just has no idea what it's going to see if this thing
comes," he said, but then stopped. "When, really. It's when. I don't
think we can afford the luxury of the word 'if' anymore. We are past
'if's."[58]

So what can we do? Almost all of the antibiotics ever
created only work against bacteria. There are a few classes of drugs,
including drugs like amantidine, that work against certain viruses as
well. But the present bird flu virus has already evolved resistance to
this first generation of antivirals. How? "The Chinese have been
incorporating amantadine in their chicken feed, so we have lost that as
a treatment," notes one U.S. flu expert.[59]

Scientists are pinning their hopes on oseltamavir (also
known as Tamiflu), the best prospect in the latest generation of antiflu
drugs. Unfortunately, there is not enough to go around. Made from star
anise, a plant in limited global supply, there is now a two-year waiting
list for new orders.[60] And the orders, of course, are coming from
dozens of rich Western countries who are attempting to stockpile the
drug,[61] not the poor countries like Vietnam where any pandemic is
likely to start.

"The only effective way to stop a global pandemic is to
stop it in Southeast Asia," writes the editorial board of the journal of
the Canadian Medical Association. "Although likely to have only a
limited effect, stockpiles of oseltamavir need to be created throughout
Southeast Asia." Scientists reason that if the human outbreak can be
caught early enough, maybe they could even stop it. Once the pandemic
hits, writes one leader in the field, "School closure, quarantine,
travel restrictions and so on are unlikely to be more effective than a
garden hose in a forest fire."[62]

It's like a spark and a squirt gun, describes the
director of the U.S. National Vaccine Program. "If you aim properly you
can get the spark and be done with it. If you miss, though, the fire is
going to spread and there is nothing you can do to stop it."[63] When a
senior public-health official was asked if he could imagine the
developed world sending its resources to combat the flu in Southeast
Asia, the reply was, "Who are you kidding?"[64]

The Western world is continuing in its "narcissistic
planning,"[65] ignoring pleas from the World Health Organization to pour
resources into Southeast Asia.[66] The U.K., for example, is spending
$700 million to stockpile antiviral drugs. That's ten times the entire
health budget for Vietnam. In Cambodia, the total annual budget for a
campaign to encourage citizens to report suspected cases of bird flu is
about $3000.[67]

Once the outbreak spreads globally, though, stockpiles
in rich countries will provide no more than a pandemic "speed bump."[68]
Canada, for example, has ordered 20 million doses although they suspect
they'd need more than 200 million.[69] Who's going to have access to the
limited supply? Priority for prophylactic treatment goes first to "key
decision makers."[70] The current U.S. stockpile would treat less than 2
percent of the population.[71] Some scientists are advocating it just be
sold over the counter and let whomever can afford it have access.[72]

From the editorial board of one of the most prestigious
medical journals in the world, "If the greatest pandemic in history is
indeed on the horizon, that threat must be met by the most comprehensive
public-health plan ever devised."[73] If one reads the behind-the-scenes
policy journals like Foreign Affairs, though, senior officials admit
that planning for what they call "the most catastrophic outbreak in
human history" is "abysmally inadequate."[74] Realizing that given the
current political situation the prospects for preventing the pandemic
are practically nonexistent, chief scientists like Osterholm are going
to the business community to at least work on providing an
infrastructure for survivors of what is being predicted in policy
journals as the "shutdown of the global economic system."[75]

Speaking to a conference of agricultural bankers,
Osterholm laid it all out: "This is going to be the most catastrophic
thing in my lifetime. When this situation unfolds, we will shut down
global markets overnight. There will not be movement of goods; there
will not be movement of people. This will last for at least a year,
maybe two."[76]

If we can't stop a human outbreak once it's started,
can we stop a human outbreak in the first place? The WHO advises that
"[p]revention of... avian influenza in humans is best achieved by
controlling infection in poultry." [77] At this stage though, with over
a hundred million birds dead so far and confirmed spread into migratory
wild bird populations, this prospect seems similarly untenable. [78]

Asia provides a veritable genetic-reassortment
laboratory for the virus--the mix of an unprecedented number of people,
pigs, and poultry. "It is sobering to realize," Osterholm writes, "that
in 1968, when the most recent influenza pandemic occurred, the virus
emerged in a China that had a human population of 790 million, a pig
population of 5.2 million, and a poultry population of 12.3 million;
today, these populations number 1.3 billion, 508 million, and 13
billion, respectively. Similar changes have occurred in the human and
animal populations of other Asian countries, creating an incredible
mixing vessel for viruses."[79] In that kind of environment, New Yorker
reporter Michael Specter wrote that "one sneeze from a pig could be
enough to start a pandemic."

Large commercial poultry operations provide an ideal
spawning ground for new pandemic strains. Tens of thousands of
broiler-type chickens are crammed into large sheds. Because they live in
their own manure, the virus has an opportunity to be excreted in the
feces and then breathed in or swallowed by the thousands of other birds,
allowing the virus to rapidly and repeatedly circulate. With so many
birds to mutate within and pass back and forth, low virulence strains
can readily turn into deadly ones.[80]

Describing another deadly animal-to-human virus that
arose in Asia, this one in 1999, the Thai Minister of Public Health
explains: "A hundred years ago, the Nipah virus would have simply
emerged and died out; instead it was transmitted to pigs and amplified.
With modern agriculture, the pigs are transported long distances to
slaughter. And the virus goes with them." And countries trying to
protect their poultry industries have covered up their outbreaks, making
it that much more difficult to stem the tide early.[81]

Charun Boonyarithikarn is another senior Thai
public-health officer. "Chickens used to live in our backyards," he told
a New Yorker reporter. "They didn't travel much. Now, throughout the
world, farms have become factories. Millions of chickens are shipped
huge distances every day. We can't stop every chicken or duck or pig.
And they offer millions of opportunities for pathogens to find a niche."

Dr Samuel Jutzi of the Food and Agriculture
Organization told the conference: "There is an increasing risk of avian
influenza spread that no poultry-keeping country can afford to
ignore."[82] Vietnam has already banned duck and goose farming, but this
may be a case of too little too late.[83] Another pandemic may force
humanity to realize that it may have to give up the habit of raising
birds completely.

In response to the February 28, 2005 lead New Yorker
story on the threat of bird flu, staff writer Michael Specter was asked
if, based on his research, we would "have to rethink such things as
large-scale poultry farming?" He replied Well, I can't imagine a better
prescription for killing large numbers of animals with a single disease
than packing tens of thousands of them into factory farms where they are
lucky if they have fifteen inches of personal space. Still, the economic
incentives toward factory production of food are huge--we want cheap
meat. So it's going to be very difficult to change."[89]

So what does the poultry industry think about the
possibility of its own industry leading to a worldwide epidemic that
kills millions of people? The Executive Editor of Poultry magazine wrote
an editorial on that very subject in its last issue: "The prospect of a
virulent flu to which we have absolutely no resistance is frightening.
However, to me, the threat is much greater to the poultry industry. I'm
not as worried about the U.S. human population dying from bird flu as I
am that there will be no chicken to eat."[84]


III. CARBOPHOBIA UPDATE: Atkins Is Toast


Although my latest book Carbophobia: The Scary Truth
About America's Low Carb Craze is selling well, I can hardly take credit
for the downfall of the Atkins Empire. Here's a sampling of recent
newspaper headlines: "Poor Sales Cripple Atkins Diet Firm,"[85] "Atkins
Diet Firm on Brink of Liquidation."[86] And my personal favorite: "Good
Riddance to the Atkins Diet."[87]

I will continue to do my part, though, in exposing the
truth behind these dangerous diets. I've got over a dozen live radio
interviews lined up this month--please see
http://www.DrGreger.org/dates.html for a schedule if you want to listen
in. I'm excited to report that my publisher, Lantern Books, has chosen
Carbophobia for its quarterly book club discussion. So if anyone's going
to be near New York City on June 27th, you should stop by. Details can
be found on the Lantern website http://www.LanternBooks.com. And of
course, for the latest updates, always keep it tuned to
http://www.AtkinsExposed.org.

To commemorate the downfall of the high-fat fad in
Britain, one London paper asked some high-profile authors to write about
their experiences on the Atkins diet. One felt "as healthy and
attractive as a McDonald's cheeseburger." Another had to "confess to
feeling like a constipated lump of lard." A third wrote: "How do I feel
now? You know that expression 'You are what you eat'? Well, I feel like
I just ate a big bowl of stupid. And you wouldn't believe how fattening
that is."


IV. PERSONAL UPDATE


I am proud to announce that I have accepted a position
with The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). I am now its
Director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture. After being on the
road for a bit too long, it was a welcome change to move to D.C. and
stay in the same time zone for more than a few days. So please note my
new mailing address (my latest contact information is always on my
website at http://www.DrGreger.org/bio.html).

With HSUS's bold new leadership and a stated mission to
"create a humane and sustainable world for all animals, including
people, through education, advocacy and the promotion of respect and
compassion," I think I'm going to fit right in.

My first project is to help counter the Bush
administration's consideration of backpedaling on the downer cow ban
(the late-breaking news, of course, is that another U.S. downer may be
confirmed with mad cow disease this week--keep tuned to
http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow). For years the meat from cows
too sick or crippled to even walk was considered too risky to be allowed
in the federal School Lunch Program. So downer meat was evidently not
safe enough to feed to kids at school, but evidently was safe enough to
feed to kids once they got home from school (or feed to adults for that
matter).

Thankfully, after the discovery of the first confirmed
case of mad cow disease in the United States, the USDA finally banned
the inclusion of meat from downed cattle in the human food supply. Now,
with building pressure from some sectors of industry, the USDA seems to
be having second thoughts. For what we can all do to keep the downer ban
from going down, check out the April 21, 2005 issue of HumaneLines, the
Humane Society's free weekly electronic alert or, even better, sign up
at https://community.hsus.org/humane/join.tcl. An alert should also be
sent to HumaneLines about how to support Senate action to ban the use of
quinolone antibiotic-treated chicken in the National School Lunch Program.

I'm also proud to announce that after ponderous delays
with the IRS, the institute I set up to further my work is now an
officially-recognized 501c3 nonprofit organization. Any donations sent
to support my work are tax-deductible to the fullest extent of the law.
If anyone is so motivated they can click the donate button at the bottom
of my newsletter page at http://drgreger.org/newsletters.html.


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He is amazing isn't he?

When I first got into him I was a little bit offended when someone
pointed out to me that I misspelled his name in a common way.

Please do not be offended in a similar way.

FWIW, it is "Greger" not GregOr.

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He also keeps up with the medical literature as it comes out. All of
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Beach Runner wrote:

WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time just
post a few highlights and a link. You twit.

<...>
> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
> Science in the Public Interest's

CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.

<...>

usual suspect wrote:
> Beach Runner wrote:
>
> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time just
> post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>
> <...>
>
>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>> Science in the Public Interest's
>
>
> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>
> <...>

You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
He is an activist, because he believes in what he is doing. The world
needs change agents. He documents all his findings. He clearly
identifies his agenda.

I also figured you'd object. Does any other VEGAN object?

That who this group is for.
BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists, the Bone
Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an osteopath is not
valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it. Albert Einstein school of
medicine and Cornell both have hired him. As far as I know, he does not
want to be a full time professor, he is more interested in his institute.

Actually, he's a leader in Functional Medicine, which I'm sure you think
is a load of crap. It seeks to analyze ALL sources of medicine and take
the best of all kinds. The AMA has gradually come to recognize that
there are other avenues worth investigating. What a horrible thought.

You have also made false accusations about my degrees and my step son's
sexuality. There's others on this list know where I've gone to school.
Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.

You are mean spirited.

Is there ONE OTHER VEGAN that objects to that posting?



Beach Runner

Steve wrote:

> When I first got into him I was a little bit offended when someone
> pointed out to me that I misspelled his name in a common way.
>
> Please do not be offended in a similar way.
>
> FWIW, it is "Greger" not GregOr.

Thank you!
>
> For other people all of the issues of his newsletter can be read on line
> at:
> http://drgreger.org/newsletters.html
>
> Or you can subscribe to have the newsletter emailed to you by going he
> http://drgreger.org/newsletters.html
>
> Dr. Greger is a vegan medical doctor. He is a great speaker with a
> talent for explaining complicated subjects and he has a natural sense of
> humor.
>
> He also keeps up with the medical literature as it comes out. All of
> these three things go into his newsletter making it very informative as
> well as a joy to read.

I think any VEGAN these days should subscribe as the information is too
valuable to ignore. I remember when he predicted bird flu problems and
other predictions. My brother, as a scientist first objected to his
newsletter, than subscribed. And he's not even a vegetarian.

Beach Runner bitched:
>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>
>>
>>
>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
>> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>
>> <...>
>
>
> You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.

CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13

> He is an activist,

I know.

<...>
> BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
> regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.

I don't.

> I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,

No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.

> the Bone
> Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an osteopath is not
> valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.

You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism. They
do not recommend it.

> Albert Einstein school of
> medicine and Cornell both have hired him.

So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.

> As far as I know, he does not
> want to be a full time professor,

Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only college
at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a medical one.

> he is more interested in his institute.

Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
Kessler, you dope.

<...>
> Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.

It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
physical violence) when they get a warrant.

<...>

usual suspect wrote:
> Beach Runner bitched:
> >> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
> >> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
> >>> Science in the Public Interest's
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
> >> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
> >>
> >> <...>
> >
> >
> > You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
>
> CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
> http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
>
> > He is an activist,
>
> I know.
>
> <...>
> > BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
> > regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
>
> I don't.
>
> > I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
>
> No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
>
> > the Bone
> > Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an osteopath is not
> > valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
>
> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
> of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism. They
> do not recommend it.
>
> > Albert Einstein school of
> > medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
>
> So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
> someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
> give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
> Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
>
> > As far as I know, he does not
> > want to be a full time professor,
>
> Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only college
> at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a medical one.
>
> > he is more interested in his institute.
>
> Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
> one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
> not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
> Kessler, you dope.
>
> <...>
> > Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
>
> It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
> ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
> physical violence) when they get a warrant.
>
> <...>

I can across this by happenstance while cruising the net, but feel
compelled to reply. I am a third year medical student (M.D.) at the
University Medical School here in Missouri. Here on the teaching
faculty are many D.O.s, ranging from the Vice head of the Department
of Emergency Medicine to a Pediatric Neonatologist. A perfunctory visit
to the web site of the AMA will show that the Medical Establishment
(M.D.), has long considered the D.O. degree the equivilent to the M.D.
in every reguard. D.O.s are found on the teaching faculty as well as
the attending staff of nearly every medical school and hospital in the
United States. From Harvard to UCLA. Most D.O.s (70% or so), do M.D.
residencies alongside M.D. graduate physicians. Unless you have special
insight to invalidate the opinion of Organized medicine in this
reguard , which judging from the poorly written and violent nature of
your post, I tend to doubt. Than may I suggest you research a topic
first ...than write.

spaatz wrote:

>
> usual suspect wrote:
>
>>Beach Runner bitched:
>>
>>>>WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>>>just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>>
>>>><...>
>>>>
>>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>>>Science in the Public Interest's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
>>>>radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>>>
>>>><...>
>>>
>>>
>>>You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
>>
>>CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
>>http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
>>
>>
>>>He is an activist,
>>
>>I know.
>>
>><...>
>>
>>>BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
>>>regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
>>
>>I don't.
>>
>>
>>>I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
>>
>>No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
>>
>>
>>>the Bone
>>>Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an osteopath is not
>>>valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
>>
>>You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
>>of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism. They
>>do not recommend it.
>>
>>
>>>Albert Einstein school of
>>>medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
>>
>>So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
>>someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
>>give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
>>Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
>>
>>
>>>As far as I know, he does not
>>>want to be a full time professor,
>>
>>Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only college
>>at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a medical one.
>>
>>
>>>he is more interested in his institute.
>>
>>Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
>>one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
>>not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
>>Kessler, you dope.
>>
>><...>
>>
>>>Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
>>
>>It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
>>ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
>>physical violence) when they get a warrant.
>>
>><...>
>

I said he deserves, I didn't say I would invoke violence. A far
difference. Are you a vegan?

>

by the way, which sources did he quote you consider invalid.


usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner bitched:
>
>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
>>> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>>
>>> <...>
>>
>>
>>
>> You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
>
>
> CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
> http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
>
>> He is an activist,
>
>
> I know.
>
> <...>
>
>> BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
>> regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
>
>
> I don't.
>
>> I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
>
>
> No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
>
>> the Bone Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an
>> osteopath is not valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
>
>
> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
> of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism. They
> do not recommend it.
>
>> Albert Einstein school of medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
>
>
> So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
> someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
> give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
> Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
>
>> As far as I know, he does not want to be a full time professor,
>
>
> Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only college
> at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a medical one.
>
>> he is more interested in his institute.
>
>
> Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
> one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
> not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
> Kessler, you dope.
>
> <...>
>
>> Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
>
>
> It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
> ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
> physical violence) when they get a warrant.
>
> <...>

Beach Runner wrote:
> by the way, which sources did he quote you consider invalid.

CSPI, duh...

> usual suspect wrote:
>
>> Beach Runner bitched:
>>
>>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only
>>>> advocate radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
>>
>>
>>
>> CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
>> http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
>>
>>> He is an activist,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know.
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
>>> regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't.
>>
>>> I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
>>
>>
>>
>> No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
>>
>>> the Bone Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an
>>> osteopath is not valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
>>
>>
>>
>> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
>> of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism.
>> They do not recommend it.
>>
>>> Albert Einstein school of medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
>> someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
>> give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
>> Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
>>
>>> As far as I know, he does not want to be a full time professor,
>>
>>
>>
>> Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only
>> college at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a
>> medical one.
>>
>>> he is more interested in his institute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
>> one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
>> not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
>> Kessler, you dope.
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
>>
>>
>>
>> It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
>> ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
>> physical violence) when they get a warrant.
>>
>> <...>

usual suspect wrote:
> Beach Runner wrote:
> > by the way, which sources did he quote you consider invalid.
>


> CSPI, duh...



If long posts by Beach Runner bother you Useless why not just killfile
him?
Problem solved and you can remain in eternal ignorance which you
prefer.







>
> > usual suspect wrote:
> >
> >> Beach Runner bitched:
> >>
> >>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
> >>>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
> >>>>
> >>>> <...>
> >>>>
> >>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
> >>>>> Science in the Public Interest's
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only
> >>>> advocate radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
> >>>>
> >>>> <...>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
> >> http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
> >>
> >>> He is an activist,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know.
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >>> BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
> >>> regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't.
> >>
> >>> I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
> >>
> >>> the Bone Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an
> >>> osteopath is not valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
> >> of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism.
> >> They do not recommend it.
> >>
> >>> Albert Einstein school of medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
> >> someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
> >> give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
> >> Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
> >>
> >>> As far as I know, he does not want to be a full time professor,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only
> >> college at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a
> >> medical one.
> >>
> >>> he is more interested in his institute.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
> >> one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
> >> not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
> >> Kessler, you dope.
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >>> Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
> >> ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
> >> physical violence) when they get a warrant.
> >>
> >> <...>

I still have not found a VEGAN objecting to that posting.


wrote:

>
> usual suspect wrote:
>
>>Beach Runner wrote:
>>
>>>by the way, which sources did he quote you consider invalid.
>>
>
>
>>CSPI, duh...
>
>
>
>
> If long posts by Beach Runner bother you Useless why not just killfile
> him?
> Problem solved and you can remain in eternal ignorance which you
> prefer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>usual suspect wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Beach Runner bitched:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>>>>>just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>>>>>Science in the Public Interest's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only
>>>>>>advocate radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><...>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
>>>>http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He is an activist,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know.
>>>>
>>>><...>
>>>>
>>>>>BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
>>>>>regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire quacks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the Bone Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an
>>>>>osteopath is not valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
>>>>of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism.
>>>>They do not recommend it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Albert Einstein school of medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
>>>>someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
>>>>give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
>>>>Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As far as I know, he does not want to be a full time professor,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only
>>>>college at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a
>>>>medical one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>he is more interested in his institute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
>>>>one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
>>>>not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
>>>>Kessler, you dope.
>>>>
>>>><...>
>>>>
>>>>>Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
>>>>ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
>>>>physical violence) when they get a warrant.
>>>>
>>>><...>
>
>

spaatz wrote:

> I can across this by happenstance while cruising the net, but feel
> compelled to reply. I am a third year medical student (M.D.) at the
> University Medical School here in Missouri. Here on the teaching
> faculty are many D.O.s, ranging from the Vice head of the Department
> of Emergency Medicine to a Pediatric Neonatologist. A perfunctory visit
> to the web site of the AMA will show that the Medical Establishment
> (M.D.), has long considered the D.O. degree the equivilent to the M.D.
> in every reguard. D.O.s are found on the teaching faculty as well as
> the attending staff of nearly every medical school and hospital in the
> United States. From Harvard to UCLA. Most D.O.s (70% or so), do M.D.
> residencies alongside M.D. graduate physicians. Unless you have special
> insight to invalidate the opinion of Organized medicine in this
> reguard , which judging from the poorly written and violent nature of
> your post, I tend to doubt. Than may I suggest you research a topic
> first ...than write.
>

Spatz, thank you for your post. I will read your postings with great
interest and I'm glad to see an MD student in this group. My Doctor
took a lot of hazing for his strong interest in herbs and nutrition.

You might like his site.
www.drblythe.com

He travels to the Amazon Rain Forest researching Herbs. He's an MD.

Thanks...an interesting site)

Beach Runner wrote:

> I still have not found a VEGAN objecting to that posting.
>
>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> usual suspect wrote:
>>
>>> Beach Runner wrote:
>>>
>>>> by the way, which sources did he quote you consider invalid.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>> CSPI, duh...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If long posts by Beach Runner bother you Useless why not just killfile
>> him?
>> Problem solved and you can remain in eternal ignorance which you
>> prefer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> usual suspect wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Beach Runner bitched:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>>>>>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <...>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>>>>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only
>>>>>>> advocate radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You cut and paste far more information. The man is a medical doctor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> CSPI is not a medical organization. CSPI is a leftwing activist group.
>>>>> http://www.activistcash.com/organiza...iew.cfm/oid/13
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He is an activist,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> <...>
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I acknowledged your information on Dr. Kessler current status
>>>>>> regarding Albert Einstein school of medicine. I doubt they hire
>>>>>> quacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I still highly recommend, as would most endocrinologists,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, dummy, SOME endocrinologists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Bone Density Diet. Regardless of the fact that you think an
>>>>>> osteopath is not valid. If I make a mistake I acknowledge it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position
>>>>> of groups like ADA, AHA, UCS, etc., with respect to vegetarianism.
>>>>> They do not recommend it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Albert Einstein school of medicine and Cornell both have hired him.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So what? I'm pretty sure they've also hired janitors. Just because
>>>>> someone has worked some place doesn't make him an expert, nor does it
>>>>> give him credibility. I'm still waiting for you to name one study your
>>>>> Dr Kessler authored or co-authored.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I know, he does not want to be a full time professor,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Strawman and irrelevant. You've written that he is one. The only
>>>>> college at which he's been a professor is an osteopathic one, not a
>>>>> medical one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> he is more interested in his institute.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which institute is that, numbnuts? He's not listed in the staff of the
>>>>> one in NJ whose website you linked. He's not the director of it. He's
>>>>> not the founder of it. It was founded almost 60 years ago by another
>>>>> Kessler, you dope.
>>>>>
>>>>> <...>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of nut cases like you on this list, I won't post my name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would save the police a little time, but they can get it from your
>>>>> ISP (whose acceptable use policy you've violated with your threats of
>>>>> physical violence) when they get a warrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> <...>
>>
>>

I have proven my point. All vegans thanksed me for the posting. This
is a vegan newsgroup. I will post all the vegan material I choose.

>>

usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner wrote:
>
> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time just
> post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>
> <...>
>
>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>> Science in the Public Interest's
>
>
> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>

Regardless, he is a fully acredited medical doctor. Are you?

> <...>

Beach Runner lied again:
<..>
> I have proven my point.

No, you haven't proven anything except that you're a bumbling twit and
congenital liar. You've made rambling, incoherent posts devoid of facts
or reason.

> All vegans thanksed me for the posting.

Two or three twits thanked you. That's all.

Beach Runner lied again:
<...>
>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>
>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
>> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>
> Regardless,

CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.

> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.

Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists rather than
science?

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...

> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
They are educated people, who are educating others. What is the problem
with that?
Oh, right. You are against education, since you are too lazy/stupid to
educate yourself. When did you drop out of school? Highschool?

Laurie

usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner lied again:
> <...>
>
>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>>
>>>
>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only advocate
>>> radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>
>>
>> Regardless,
>
>
> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
>
>> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.
>
>
> Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists rather than
> science?

Read his sources. They include a wide range of technical journals. He
is a medical doctor. He also contributes to change organizations. It's
called being a concerned citizen.

Compare that to Monsanto which is releasing unknowns into our environment.

usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner lied again:
> <..>
>
>> I have proven my point.
>
>
> No, you haven't proven anything except that you're a bumbling twit and
> congenital liar. You've made rambling, incoherent posts devoid of facts
> or reason.
>
>> All vegans thanksed me for the posting.
>
>
> Two or three twits thanked you. That's all.


Every vegan thanked me for the post and info. You entire attack here is
personal. Is there a vegan than does not want Dr. Greger's newsletter?

"Beach Runner" > wrote in message
news
>
>
> usual suspect wrote:
>
>> Beach Runner lied again:
>> <...>
>>
>>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups?
>>>> Next time just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the
>>>>> Center for Science in the Public Interest's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only
>>>> advocate radical changes in public policy. They're food
>>>> Nazis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regardless,
>>
>>
>> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food
>> Nazis.
>>
>>> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.
>>
>>
>> Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists
>> rather than science?
>
> Read his sources. They include a wide range of technical
> journals. He is a medical doctor. He also contributes to
> change organizations. It's called being a concerned citizen.
>
> Compare that to Monsanto which is releasing unknowns into our
> environment.
==================
Which you continue to support because of your simple rule for
your simple mind, 'eat no meat.' You could buy the right kind of
meat and eliminate 100s of 1000s of your calories with
environmentally friendly meat and get rid of your inhumane crop
prodution. But then, you're too stupid to see facts, you prefer
your lys, delusions and propaganda, right killer?

Beach Runner wrote:
>
>
> usual suspect wrote:
>
>> Beach Runner lied again:
>> <...>
>>
>>>> WTF are you doing posting 64kb newsletters to newsgroups? Next time
>>>> just post a few highlights and a link. You twit.
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> A quote from the May 2005 issue of the Center for
>>>>> Science in the Public Interest's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CSPI is an activist group. They're not scientists, they only
>>>> advocate radical changes in public policy. They're food Nazis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regardless,
>>
>>
>>
>> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
>>
>>> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists rather than
>> science?
>
>
> Read his sources. They include a wide range of technical journals. He
> is a medical doctor. He also contributes to change organizations. It's
> called being a concerned citizen.
>
> Compare that to Monsanto which is releasing unknowns into our environment.
Just to prove he is not just using radical sources, I will once again
post his references.

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[72] Laver G. "Influenza drug could abort a pandemic."
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July/August 2005.
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"WHO: flu pandemic threat may be growing." 18 May 2005.
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New England Journal of Medicine 352(2005):1839-42.
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February 2005: 52-61.
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[83] Piller C. "Vietnam officials ban duck, goose
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April/May 2005:5.
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[88] Price LB, et al. "Fluoroquinolone-Resistant
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Are they simply left wing pseudo science or a wide varity of newss
sources (respected) and clinical journals. They are by and large
clinical peer reviewed journals. Clearly Dr. Greger backs what he is
posting by making his goal to stay current.

Larry Fruity wrote:
>>CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
>
> They are

Yes, they are.

Beach Runner wrote:
<...>
>>> Regardless,
>>
>> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
>>
>>> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.
>>
>> Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists rather than
>> science?
>
> Read his sources.

I did. CSPI doesn't count as a medical or scientific source. They're
activists.

> They include a wide range of technical journals.

It's his conclusions, not his sources, that cause me to question his
comprehension.

> He is a medical doctor.

Big ****ing deal. So was Robert Atkins. So was Harold Shipman.

> He also contributes to change organizations.

That's a great reason to discount what he says.

> It's called being a concerned citizen.

No, it's called activism. It also shows he has an agenda rather than
being a scientist who's concerned with the truth. His agenda is at odds
with the truth.

Beach Runner wrote:
<...>
>>> All vegans thanksed me for the posting.
>>
>> Two or three twits thanked you. That's all.
>
> Every

Two or three.

usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner wrote:
> <...>
>
>>>> Regardless,
>>>
>>>
>>> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
>>>
>>>> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists rather than
>>> science?
>>
>>
>> Read his sources.
>
>
> I did. CSPI doesn't count as a medical or scientific source. They're
> activists.
>
>> They include a wide range of technical journals.
>
>
> It's his conclusions, not his sources, that cause me to question his
> comprehension.
>
>> He is a medical doctor.
>
>
> Big ****ing deal. So was Robert Atkins. So was Harold Shipman.
>
>> He also contributes to change organizations.
>
>
> That's a great reason to discount what he says.
>
>> It's called being a concerned citizen.
>
>
> No, it's called activism. It also shows he has an agenda rather than
> being a scientist who's concerned with the truth. His agenda is at odds
> with the truth.

Scientists that see the obvious truth, are trying to prepare and prevent
global warming. Even the Republican Governor is scared about the QUICK
change.

As far as your comments about Mad Cow Disease, and comparing it to other
long term brain disorders. It is not simply a long term brain disorder.
The only known way of getting it is by eating fresh that has prions in
it. Worse, it is contagious to people. The fact that in human beings it
is called another disease, it is the same disease. If the cattle
industry had fully complied with the changes there would be no new
cases. A recent set of cases were shown in Britain.

Now I admit, if you grow your own meat, and thus know the source, and
butcher the animal yourself, you eliminate the risk. It also protects
you from the rampant use of antibiotics and chemicals if you control the
food supply. Now, if you think it moral to eat cows, that's another
matter. I happen to be a vegan and do not consider it a vegan.

And guess what? This is a vegan group, for people who are vegans.
You abuse it.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...

> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position of
> groups like ADA, ... with respect to vegetarianism. They do not recommend
> it.

http://www.eatright.org/Public/Gover...s/92_17084.cfm
"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of
Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful,
nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and
treatment of certain diseases. "

Liar, as usual.

Laurie

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...

> You've yet to acknowledge that you've greatly exaggerated the position of
> groups like ..., AHA, ...., with respect to vegetarianism. They do not
> recommend it.

"Vegetarian diets can be healthful and nutritionally sound if they're
carefully planned to include essential nutrients. "
http://www.americanheart.org/present...dentifier=4777

Liar, as usual.

Laurie

Beach Runner wrote:
>
>
> usual suspect wrote:
>
>> Beach Runner wrote:
>> <...>
>>
>>>>> Regardless,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CSPI are activists. You cannot disregard that. They're food Nazis.
>>>>
>>>>> he is a fully acredited medical doctor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then why the hell is he basing his opinions on activists rather than
>>>> science?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read his sources.
>>
>>
>>
>> I did. CSPI doesn't count as a medical or scientific source. They're
>> activists.
>>
>>> They include a wide range of technical journals.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's his conclusions, not his sources, that cause me to question his
>> comprehension.
>>
>>> He is a medical doctor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Big ****ing deal. So was Robert Atkins. So was Harold Shipman.
>>
>>> He also contributes to change organizations.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's a great reason to discount what he says.
>>
>>> It's called being a concerned citizen.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, it's called activism. It also shows he has an agenda rather than
>> being a scientist who's concerned with the truth. His agenda is at
>> odds with the truth.
>
>
> Scientists that see the obvious truth,

No, activists do. Some scientists can't separate their biases from their
work. The science is equivocal: there is no clear-cut evidence that the
earth is being overheated due to human activity, and scientists
accordingly are split in their opinions whether or not it is.

> are trying to prepare and prevent
> global warming.

Activists try to prevent it, yet they were the ones forty-years ago
saying we were heading to another Ice Age due to human activity. Why
can't these leftists make up their minds, Boob?

http://www.sepp.org/misuse/failpred.html

> Even the Republican Governor is scared about the QUICK
> change.

He's a money-grubbing fat **** who misses his days of pilfering
appropriations for his state and who thought his daughter would be able
to take over the family business in DC. He was wrong. His whining is not
only unbecoming, it will hopefully be unfruitful.

> As far as your comments about Mad Cow Disease, and comparing it to other
> long term brain disorders. It is not simply a long term brain disorder.

Yes, it is. It's a degenerative disorder which takes time both to
manifest and run its course.

> The only known way of getting it is by eating fresh that has prions in
> it.

Ipse dixit and false.

> Worse, it is contagious to people.

Ipse dixit and unproven.

> The fact that in human beings it
> is called another disease, it is the same disease.

Ipse dixit and false. Species-specific TSEs exist. Scrapie is distinct
from BSE, which is distinct from vCJD and CJD.

> If the cattle
> industry had fully complied with the changes there would be no new
> cases.

Ipse dixit. The industry IS complying and human infections have begun to
decline, as I showed you several days ago.

> A recent set of cases were shown in Britain.

Britain has had a steep decline in the rate of new vCJD cases.

> Now I admit, if you grow your own meat, and thus know the source, and
> butcher the animal yourself, you eliminate the risk.

Ipse dixit. You know nothing of the mechanics of prion disease. Infected
sheep and goats can infect an entire grazing area, and animals grazed in
the same fields can (and usually will) develop scrapie. Scrapie isn't
transmissible to humans (there has been only one case reported that I'm
aware of). It is believed that other TSEs, including BSE, aren't so
virulent that grazing areas remain a source of transmission of BSE from
one generation of cattle to another.

> It also protects
> you from the rampant use of antibiotics and chemicals if you control the
> food supply.

That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, you babbling prat.

> Now, if you think it moral to eat cows, that's another
> matter. I happen to be a vegan and do not consider it a vegan.

Cattle are vegan. It's morally acceptable to eat them.

> And guess what? This is a vegan group, for people who are vegans.

It's a group for discussing veganism. That encompasses two sides of an
argument. Too bad you can't handle the other.

> You abuse it.

No, you do through deceit, errors, and parroting activists instead of
using your own braincell. Why do you feel compelled to lie and distort
matters pertaining to veganism if it's meritorious? You lied about
groups who DON'T endorse veganism or vegetarianism, but only offer
qualified support for them. You lie about issues related to meat
production. You lie about diseases like BSE/vCJD. As a brazen liar and
village idiot, you're the last person anyone should listen to about
veganism, or anything else for that matter.