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Naturally, it's open to anyone.
Take the quiz. State whether you agree or disagree with the following statements. It's helpful, but not necessary, to give your reasoning (if you have any.) Also state whether or not you are a "vegan" or have significant sympathy for "veganism" and "animal rights", where "vegan" means refraining from consuming animal-originating products for ethical reasons. 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). 2. Government should not control radio, tv, the press or the internet. 3. Repeal regulations on sex between consenting adults. 4. Drug laws do more harm than good. Repeal them. 5. Let peaceful people cross borders freely. 6. Businesses & farms should operate without any governmental subsidies. 7. People are better off with free trade than with tariffs. 8. Minimum wage laws cause unemployment. Repeal them. 9. End taxes. Pay for services with user fees. 10. All foreign Aid should be privately funded. |
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Rudy Canoza > wrote: > 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should begin at age 65. Parents are less likely to refrain from producing children if they know there children aren't going to be conscripted and killed in war. The elderly have had their chance and benefit greatly in our current system. You want medicaid -- work for it baby. Most wars are fought not for the values of the young, but for the old timers. Let's the old timers fight their own battles. It's easy to support the mandatory conscription of those between 18 and 25 when one is outside of that age range or uses marriage as an excuse not to fight. Cowards, left, right and centre. If you can pick up a golf club, you can pick up a weapon. |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article et>, > Rudy Canoza > wrote: > >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). >> > > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should begin at > age 65. Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article >, "Dutch" > > wrote: > >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> ... >> > In article et>, >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote: >> > >> >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). >> >> >> > >> > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should begin at >> > age 65. >> >> Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. > > You could address my argument or provide some explanation for your own. > > My answer was sincere. It is quite odd that we would sacrifice the > young. When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed the age of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong people defend my wealth..I mean country. |
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"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message nk.net... > Naturally, it's open to anyone. > > Take the quiz. State whether you agree or disagree with the following > statements. It's helpful, but not necessary, to give your reasoning (if > you have any.) Also state whether or not you are a "vegan" or have > significant sympathy for "veganism" and "animal rights", where "vegan" > means refraining from consuming animal-originating products for ethical > reasons. I am not vegan, but I am vegetarian and consider myself politically neutral (Independent). Most liberal leaning people think I'm conservative and most conservative leaning people think I'm liberal. This quiz seems to focus on only a few social and economic issues and not as much on other important issues like human rights, the environment, energy, health care, etc. What can you expect with just 10 questions? So I don't know how good of a gauge it is for determining someone's political and/or social leanings. Some of these questions aren't easy to answer because there are complicated pros and cons. While I generally believe that things like economics should be left to regulate itself and let the chips fall where they may, the world playing field isn't exactly level. Some artificial controls must remain until there is more equalibrium. Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than practical in answering these questions. > 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). Agree. It has been shown that voluntary works much better than manditory for the military. Example: Vietnam. > 2. Government should not control radio, tv, the press or the internet. I agree that the government should control the media infrastructure, but not content. > 3. Repeal regulations on sex between consenting adults. Sex between consenting adults should not be regulated but solicitation and decency should be regulated. > 4. Drug laws do more harm than good. Repeal them. Generally disagree. Possibly consider legalizing marijuana since it doesn't seem any worse than alcohol and might even have some medicinal value. Reap tax revenues while saving enforcement costs and creating legitimate jobs. > 5. Let peaceful people cross borders freely. Disagree. The problem is how to know whether people are peaceful. There must be strict border security, especially during these times of terrorism. > 6. Businesses & farms should operate without any > governmental subsidies. Agree. Artificially propping up companies with tax revenues is like a house of cards - eventually it will crash. > 7. People are better off with free trade than with tariffs. Removing trade barriers allows companies to manufacture goods where costs are lower. This, in turn, makes products more affordable for everybody. > 8. Minimum wage laws cause unemployment. Repeal them. I agree that there should not be minimum wage laws but not that they cause unemployment. I think it instead redistributes employment. > 9. End taxes. Pay for services with user fees. Disagree. Countries need tax revenues to fund military, government programs, etc. I believe there should be a flat tax where citizens pay a fixed percentage of their wages. > 10. All foreign Aid should be privately funded. Disagree. There should be foreign aid to help countries effected by natural disasters, epidemics, etc. as a minimum. However, I don't think it should be used as a political device. |
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"C. James Strutz" > wrote: > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than > practical in answering these questions. I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to determine our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. |
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In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote: > "Ron" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, "Dutch" > > > wrote: > > > >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > In article et>, > >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote: > >> > > >> >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). > >> >> > >> > > >> > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should begin at > >> > age 65. > >> > >> Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. > > > > You could address my argument or provide some explanation for your own. > > > > My answer was sincere. It is quite odd that we would sacrifice the > > young. > > When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be > abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed the age > of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong people > defend my wealth..I mean country. Whose wealth is it? Who should protect it? |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than > > practical in answering these questions. > > I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to determine > our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. Then the mission was accomplished, wasn't it?! Speak your mind... |
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In article >,
"C. James Strutz" > wrote: > "Ron" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > > > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than > > > practical in answering these questions. > > > > I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to determine > > our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. > > Then the mission was accomplished, wasn't it?! Speak your mind... To begin, I thought your position on drafts to be rather limited in scope. There are many examples outside of the USA past and present where mandatory service has proved successful for government and the people that were being protected. |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > "Ron" > wrote in message > > ... > > > In article >, > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > > > > > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than > > > > practical in answering these questions. > > > > > > I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to determine > > > our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. > > > > Then the mission was accomplished, wasn't it?! Speak your mind... > > To begin, I thought your position on drafts to be rather limited in > scope. There are many examples outside of the USA past and present where > mandatory service has proved successful for government and the people > that were being protected. Give me an example. |
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In article >,
"C. James Strutz" > wrote: > "Ron" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > > > "Ron" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > In article >, > > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than > > > > > practical in answering these questions. > > > > > > > > I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to determine > > > > our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. > > > > > > Then the mission was accomplished, wasn't it?! Speak your mind... > > > > To begin, I thought your position on drafts to be rather limited in > > scope. There are many examples outside of the USA past and present where > > mandatory service has proved successful for government and the people > > that were being protected. > > > Give me an example. WWII, Israel. Switzerland all have mandatory service and appear to have varying degrees of success through the conscription process. In addition to the short term goals in a conflict situation, there are also the repurcussions of voluntary services. By this, I mean the use of young people to further a political objective in a war. There is an issue of cost. A young person wounded or maimed then becomes the responsibility of the state for decades. The cost of maintaining and providing pensions and services is very expensive. The loss of life of a young person on the economy, their ability to reproduce and the ripple through society against producing children only to be sent off to war is another "cost". Voluntary services also creates a different dichotomy in that service is voluntary it is also the result of economic depression in certain areas that drives the desire and need to join the services. By this, I mean that armed services provide benefits and training to those who have little intention of making service a career but only as an "employment" program to make up for the deficiences in government or the local economy. Or as a means to achieve a career that was otherwise perceived as unattainable. There are also other post-war costs where those in service are so affected that there ability to function daily is greatly impeded. As technology has greatly improved in the past 5 decades, the requirement of young, able-bodied people has lessened. Many of the same functions and results can be achieved by people who are older, more mature and have the life skills to manage the rigors of what the job demands. Generalizing, the young aren't equipped in the same way to deal with the realities of war, injuries, and dying in the way that maturity provides. |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> ... >> > In article >, >> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: >> > >> > > "Ron" > wrote in message >> > > ... >> > > > In article >, >> > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than >> > > > > practical in answering these questions. >> > > > >> > > > I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to >> > > > determine >> > > > our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. >> > > >> > > Then the mission was accomplished, wasn't it?! Speak your mind... >> > >> > To begin, I thought your position on drafts to be rather limited in >> > scope. There are many examples outside of the USA past and present >> > where >> > mandatory service has proved successful for government and the people >> > that were being protected. >> >> >> Give me an example. > > WWII, Israel. Switzerland all have mandatory service and appear to have > varying degrees of success through the conscription process. Okay, good points. > Generalizing, the young aren't equipped in the same way to deal with the > realities of war, injuries, and dying in the way that maturity provides. I understand what you're saying and I agree to a point. However, there still is hand-to-hand combat and younger people are more able to perform well in those roles than older people. So then, are you for or against a military draft? |
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In article >,
"C. James Strutz" > wrote: > "Ron" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > > > >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > In article >, > >> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > >> > > >> > > "Ron" > wrote in message > >> > > ... > >> > > > In article >, > >> > > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Consequently, I tended to be more idealistic than > >> > > > > practical in answering these questions. > >> > > > > >> > > > I had several comments, but the objective of the quiz was to > >> > > > determine > >> > > > our political leanings. I'll leave it at that for the moment. > >> > > > >> > > Then the mission was accomplished, wasn't it?! Speak your mind... > >> > > >> > To begin, I thought your position on drafts to be rather limited in > >> > scope. There are many examples outside of the USA past and present > >> > where > >> > mandatory service has proved successful for government and the people > >> > that were being protected. > >> > >> > >> Give me an example. > > > > WWII, Israel. Switzerland all have mandatory service and appear to have > > varying degrees of success through the conscription process. > > Okay, good points. > > > Generalizing, the young aren't equipped in the same way to deal with the > > realities of war, injuries, and dying in the way that maturity provides. > > I understand what you're saying and I agree to a point. However, there still > is hand-to-hand combat and younger people are more able to perform well in > those roles than older people. > > So then, are you for or against a military draft? I am in favour a mandatory elderly armed forces. Enjoy the freedoms and fruits of the country in which you live. As you get on in years there is an expectation that you will repay that which you have been granted, provided and has been protected for you. |
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"Rudy Canoza" > wrote in message > 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). > > > 2. Government should not control radio, tv, the > > press or the internet. > > > 3. Repeal regulations on sex between consenting adults. > > 4. Drug laws do more harm than good. Repeal them. > > 5. Let peaceful people cross borders freely. > > 6. Businesses & farms should operate without any > governmental subsidies. > > 7. People are better off with free trade than with > tariffs. > > 8. Minimum wage laws cause unemployment. Repeal them. > > 9. End taxes. Pay for services with user fees. > > 10. All foreign Aid should be privately funded. 11. Rudy should have his salad tossed in a Turkish prison. |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article >, "Dutch" > > wrote: > >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> ... >> > In article >, "Dutch" > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> >> ... >> >> > In article et>, >> >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should begin >> >> > at >> >> > age 65. >> >> >> >> Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. >> > >> > You could address my argument or provide some explanation for your own. >> > >> > My answer was sincere. It is quite odd that we would sacrifice the >> > young. >> >> When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be >> abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed the >> age >> of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong people >> defend my wealth..I mean country. > > Whose wealth is it? Who should protect it? It was a tongue-in-cheek response ;^\ |
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In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote: > "Ron" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, "Dutch" > > > wrote: > > > >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > In article >, "Dutch" > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> >> ... > >> >> > In article et>, > >> >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should begin > >> >> > at > >> >> > age 65. > >> >> > >> >> Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. > >> > > >> > You could address my argument or provide some explanation for your own. > >> > > >> > My answer was sincere. It is quite odd that we would sacrifice the > >> > young. > >> > >> When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be > >> abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed the > >> age > >> of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong people > >> defend my wealth..I mean country. > > > > Whose wealth is it? Who should protect it? > > It was a tongue-in-cheek response ;^\ Then a different question: whose country is it? Who should defend it? |
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"Ron" > wrote in message ... > In article >, "Dutch" > > wrote: > >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> ... >> > In article >, "Dutch" > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> >> ... >> >> > In article >, "Dutch" >> >> > > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message >> >> >> ... >> >> >> > In article et>, >> >> >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should >> >> >> > begin >> >> >> > at >> >> >> > age 65. >> >> >> >> >> >> Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. >> >> > >> >> > You could address my argument or provide some explanation for your >> >> > own. >> >> > >> >> > My answer was sincere. It is quite odd that we would sacrifice the >> >> > young. >> >> >> >> When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be >> >> abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed >> >> the >> >> age >> >> of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong >> >> people >> >> defend my wealth..I mean country. >> > >> > Whose wealth is it? Who should protect it? >> >> It was a tongue-in-cheek response ;^\ > > Then a different question: whose country is it? Everyone who owns a piece.. > Who should defend it? From what? |
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In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote: > "Ron" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, "Dutch" > > > wrote: > > > >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > In article >, "Dutch" > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> >> ... > >> >> > In article >, "Dutch" > >> >> > > > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> "Ron" > wrote in message > >> >> >> ... > >> >> >> > In article et>, > >> >> >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> 1. Military service should be voluntary (no draft). > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Military service should be mandatory. Military service should > >> >> >> > begin > >> >> >> > at > >> >> >> > age 65. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Military service should be conducted exclusively by *** people. > >> >> > > >> >> > You could address my argument or provide some explanation for your > >> >> > own. > >> >> > > >> >> > My answer was sincere. It is quite odd that we would sacrifice the > >> >> > young. > >> >> > >> >> When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be > >> >> abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed > >> >> the > >> >> age > >> >> of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong > >> >> people > >> >> defend my wealth..I mean country. > >> > > >> > Whose wealth is it? Who should protect it? > >> > >> It was a tongue-in-cheek response ;^\ > > > > Then a different question: whose country is it? > > Everyone who owns a piece.. > > > Who should defend it? > > From what? You do learn. |
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"Ron" > wrote ...
> In article >, "Dutch" > > wrote: > > >> >> When I was young, poor and of draft age, I though all wars should be > > >> >> abolished. As I aged, accumulated wealth and priviledge, and passed > > >> >> the > > >> >> age > > >> >> of enlistment, I began to see the wisdom in having young, strong > > >> >> people > > >> >> defend my wealth..I mean country. > > >> > > > >> > Whose wealth is it? Who should protect it? > > >> > > >> It was a tongue-in-cheek response ;^\ > > > > > > Then a different question: whose country is it? > > > > Everyone who owns a piece.. > > > > > Who should defend it? > > > > From what? > > You do learn. That's what I've been trying to tell you. |
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