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> > > We could only hope that you would. Alas, you're stubborn and a
> > > motormouth, and you won't rest. > > > > My point was proven. > > Heh heh heh... you just proved mine. We seem to be even on the motormouth front so why are you laughing? If I'm one so are you, dearie. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites. Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button. |
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Skanky the Toronto whore/marginal wrote:
> > > > We could only hope that you would. Alas, you're stubborn and a > > > > motormouth, and you won't rest. > > > > > > My point was proven. > > > > Heh heh heh... you just proved mine. > > We seem to be There's no "we". You are a juvenile motormouth. |
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:59:14 GMT, the Gonad wrote:
wrote: > >> On 4 Feb 2005 13:27:15 -0800, Gonad lied: >> >> >>>By your acceptance of the "vegan" premise that it is >>>wrong to kill animals, YOU are revealed as the closet "ara". >> >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> From: Jonathan Ball > >> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n >> Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder >> Message-ID: .net> >> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:19:18 GMT >> >> the deliberate killing of animals for use by >> humans DOES deserve moral consideration, and gets it. >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >Doesn't prove I'm an "ara", ****wit. Let's look at the >next one, shall we, little "ara" cracker? > >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> From: Dieter > >> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n,alt.philosophy >> Subject: Why existence -- life per se -- *cannot* be a "benefit" >> Message-ID: . net> >> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:33:12 GMT >> >> ONLY deliberate human killing deserves any >> moral consideration. >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >That's true, ****wit. Accidental killing of animals >doesn't...unless you're an "ara" at heart. Like you, LOL. >little "ara" cracker. > >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> From: Dieter > >> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n,alt.philosophy >> Subject: JethroFW in full melt-down >> Message-ID: .net> >> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:48:21 GMT >> >> humans deliberately killing animals for food is an immoral >> thing to do. >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >That was stupid, ****wit. Even too stupid for you. > > Their ["vegans'"] biggest concern, ****wit, is that >humans > deliberately killing animals for food is an immoral > thing to do. > >That's what Dieter wrote, LOL!!! >****wit. You knew that. > >You have no shame, ****wit. Even though I have never >lied about you That's a lie. >and your beliefs, That's a lie. >you don't hesitate a >split second before lying about mine. ....That's a lie. >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> From: Jonathan Ball > >> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n >> Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder >> Message-ID: t> >> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:58:14 GMT >> >> We're ONLY talking about deliberate human killing >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >Right, little "ara" cracker. We're not talking about >accidental human killing of animals, only deliberate >human killing of animals. > >Poor, poor little "ara" cracker ****wit. LOL! >All that work >for no reward. It has its rewards Gonad. >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> Message-ID: > >> From: Jonathan Ball > >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) >> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n >> Subject: Karen Winter's abandonment of her son, and why it matters >> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:15:39 GMT >> >> killing the animals needlessly and merely for human convenience >> is the worst violation of their rights. >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >More bad effort at lying, ****wit. It's just too >easily uncovered: > > It is irrelevant if the animals are consumed or not; > in the view of "aras", killing the animals > needlessly and merely for human convenience is the > worst violation of their rights. You just lied about who wanted to present the idea, Mr Gonad >Just stupid, ****wit, you cheap little cracker. > >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> From: "Rudy Canoza" > >> Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan >> Subject: Skunky ****es all over the trolls >> Date: 28 Jan 2005 15:01:28 -0800 >> Message-ID: . com> >> >> Fact: IF it is wrong to kill animals deliberately for food, then >> having deliberately caused them to live in the first place does not >> mitigate the wrong in any way. >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >That's a true statement, ****wit. > >You can't, of course, show that I believe it wrong to >kill animals for food. I don't. You know I don't. > >Pitiful, little lying ****wit. You stupid cracker. > >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> From: Rudy Canoza > >> Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan >> Subject: Skunky ****es all over the trolls >> Message-ID: et> >> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:02:08 GMT >> >> "giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of >> their deaths >> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ > >It doesn't. LOL. >You're really in bad shape, ****wit. |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:54:48 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
> > wrote >> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:02:03 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote: >> >>> > wrote >>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:42:07 -0500, "Scented Nectar" >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Do we have any reason at all to believe him? No. In fact >>>>>> if the Gonad said it, it's probably a lie. >>>>> >>>>>He's not hesitated to lie before. >>>> >>>> LOL! No, we'll never see either of "them" hesitate to lie, >>>> that's for sure. >>> >>>Let's recap here.. >>> >>>Who thinks we ought to consider that livestock got to experience life >>>while >>>we eat meat? >> >> I do. > >Right > >>>Who is playing paddy-cakes with the vegan dipstick o' the month? >> >> Probably a number of people. > >Wrong, you, only you. > >>>Who is the closet ARA? >> >> You. The Gonad. > >Wrong again. Only a closet ARA would find it necessary to imagine livestock >in idyllic conditions, Maybe to find it necessary, but I don't know that anyone does find it necessary. You have pretended to find it necessary at other times, when you pretended to consider the conditions they are kept in, and pretended that you believe good care to be a necessity. So there have been times when you pretended that you could believe a person who is interested in AW could find it somewhat necessary to imagine livestock in idyllic conditions. And--this is a waste of time because you will NEVER be able to grasp this concept, but I'll lay it on your dumb ass anyway--some people can imagine livestock in decent conditions and believe it to be a good thing, without feeling it's necessary to imagine livestock in idyllic conditions. >"benefitting from their lives" in order to feel >justified in using animals for food. It's the position of the utilitarian >ARA Peter Singer to a tee. > >"Are any of these good enough reasons to eat animals? I'm >mindful of Ben Franklin's definition of the reasonable >creature as one who can come up with reasons for whatever >he wants to do. So I decided I would track down Peter >Singer and ask him what he thought. In an e-mail message, I >described Polyface and asked him about the implications for >his position of the Good Farm -- one where animals got to >live according to their nature and to all appearances did >not suffer. >''I agree with you that it is better for these animals to >have lived and died than not to have lived at all,'' Singer >wrote back. That doesn't sound much like your talking pig. >Since the utilitarian is concerned exclusively >with the sum of happiness and suffering and the slaughter >of an animal that doesn't comprehend that death need not >involve suffering, the Good Farm adds to the total of >animal happiness, provided you replace the slaughtered >animal with a new one." > >http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/pecorip/...MALS_PLACE.htm |
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****wit David Harrison, cracker, wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:59:14 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: > > >>****wit David Harrison, cracker, wrote: >> >> >>>On 4 Feb 2005 13:27:15 -0800, Rudy Canoza: >>> >>> >>> >>>>By your acceptance of the "vegan" premise that it is >>>>wrong to kill animals, YOU are revealed as the closet "ara". >>> >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>From: Jonathan Ball > >>>Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n >>>Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder >>>Message-ID: .net> >>>Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:19:18 GMT >>> >>>the deliberate killing of animals for use by >>>humans DOES deserve moral consideration, and gets it. >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>Doesn't prove I'm an "ara", ****wit. Let's look at the >>next one, shall we, little "ara" cracker? You concede. >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>From: Dieter > >>>Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n,alt.philosophy >>>Subject: Why existence -- life per se -- *cannot* be a "benefit" >>>Message-ID: . net> >>>Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:33:12 GMT >>> >>>ONLY deliberate human killing deserves any >>>moral consideration. >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>That's true, ****wit. Accidental killing of animals >>doesn't...unless you're an "ara" at heart. Like you, >>little "ara" cracker. You concede again. You little cracker. >> >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>From: Dieter > >>>Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n,alt.philosophy >>>Subject: JethroFW in full melt-down >>>Message-ID: .net> >>>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:48:21 GMT >>> >>>humans deliberately killing animals for food is an immoral >>>thing to do. >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>That was stupid, ****wit. Even too stupid for you. >> >> Their ["vegans'"] biggest concern, ****wit, is that humans >> deliberately killing animals for food is an immoral >> thing to do. >> >>That's what Dieter wrote, ****wit. You knew that. >>You have no shame, ****wit. Even though I have never >>lied about you > > > That's a lie. Nope. I reproduce your quotes in full. You remove significant text and context from mine to try to make it appear I'm saying something other than what I said. > > >>and your beliefs, > > > That's a lie. That's ont a lie, ****wit. I have scrupulously told the truth about you. I didn't *need* to lie, ****wit - your idiocy was pretty obvious once I collected enough quotes from you and wove them together. > > >>you don't hesitate a >>split second before lying about mine. > > > ....That's a lie. No, it's the truth, ****wit. You lied in misrepresenting what I said. > > >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>From: Jonathan Ball > >>>Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n >>>Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder >>>Message-ID: t> >>>Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:58:14 GMT >>> >>>We're ONLY talking about deliberate human killing >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>Right, little "ara" cracker. We're not talking about >>accidental human killing of animals, only deliberate >>human killing of animals. >> >>Poor, poor little "ara" cracker ****wit. All that work >>for no reward. > > > It has its rewards Gonad. About the same as the ones you get from sticking live ducklings and chicks up your ass. > >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>Message-ID: > >>>From: Jonathan Ball > >>>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) >>>Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n >>>Subject: Karen Winter's abandonment of her son, and why it matters >>>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:15:39 GMT >>> >>>killing the animals needlessly and merely for human convenience >>>is the worst violation of their rights. >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>More bad effort at lying, ****wit. It's just too >>easily uncovered: >> >> It is irrelevant if the animals are consumed or not; >> in the view of "aras", killing the animals >> needlessly and merely for human convenience is the >> worst violation of their rights. > > > You just lied about who wanted to present the idea, Rudy No, ****wit. > > >>Just stupid, ****wit, you cheap little cracker. You cheap, desperate little cracker. >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>From: "Rudy Canoza" > >>>Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan >>>Subject: Skunky ****es all over the trolls >>>Date: 28 Jan 2005 15:01:28 -0800 >>>Message-ID: . com> >>> >>>Fact: IF it is wrong to kill animals deliberately for food, then >>>having deliberately caused them to live in the first place does not >>>mitigate the wrong in any way. >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>That's a true statement, ****wit. >> >>You can't, of course, show that I believe it wrong to >>kill animals for food. I don't. You know I don't. >> >>Pitiful, little lying ****wit. You stupid cracker. >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ __________ >>>From: Rudy Canoza > >>>Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan >>>Subject: Skunky ****es all over the trolls >>>Message-ID: et> >>>Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:02:08 GMT >>> >>>"giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of >>>their deaths >>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >> >>It doesn't. You're really in bad shape, ****wit. > > |
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· Though we have no reason to believe there would
be any loss suffered by potential future animals if "they" are never born, billions more farm animals will be born if the Gonad's suggestion to do away with them is not accepted, as I pointed out on 08/01/00. Revised - 02/04/05 __________________________________________________ _______ From: (Jonathan Ball) Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan Subject: How Jonathan Ball wants people to feel about the silly arse, ****with Date: 11 Apr 2002 18:53:15 -0700 People who don't want them to exist should be "vegans". ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ Message-ID: > From: Jonathan Ball > Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian Subject: Don't forget, meat is a plant based food. 10 Jun 2002 04:23:54 GMT "Vegans" don't want any livestock animals to live. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ From: Jonathan Ball > Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,uk.politics.animals Subject: Animal activist admits to setting fire Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:09:07 GMT "Veg*nism" certainly doesn't harm any living farm animals. And if everyone adopted "veg*nism", no farm animals would live in bad conditions. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ From: Jonathan Ball > Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder Message-ID: .net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:19:18 GMT the deliberate killing of animals for use by humans DOES deserve moral consideration, and gets it. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ __________________________________________________ _______ Message-ID: > From: Jonathan Ball > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n Subject: Karen Winter's abandonment of her son, and why it matters Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:15:39 GMT killing the animals needlessly and merely for human convenience is the worst violation of their rights. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ · |
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