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Old 19-01-2005, 04:22 AM
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In article , "Dutch"
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In article , "Dutch"
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"Ron" wrote
"Dutch" wrote:

In your example you created a false impression in that person's mind,
that's
all. It has nothing to do with a real immoral act, apart from your
lying.
All your demonstration shows is that people can be fooled into
believing
something false.

Believing something false....like moral codes and theories of
complicity.

You can't just deceive someone then announce that means moral codes and
theories of complicity are false.


Just like the dupe who can experience false beliefs for a watch that was
never stolen, some folks are very receptive or easily convinced of their
accountability for the actions and consequences of others.


Non-sequitor, the fact that someone believed your lie does not indicate
anything about the validity of the principle of complicity. You're grasping
again.


It think it was PT Barnum who said, "there is one born every minute."

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Old 19-01-2005, 04:24 AM
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In article , "Dutch"
wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
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In article , "Dutch"
wrote:

"Ron" wrote
"Dutch" wrote:

In your example you created a false impression in that person's mind,
that's
all. It has nothing to do with a real immoral act, apart from your
lying.
All your demonstration shows is that people can be fooled into
believing
something false.

Believing something false....like moral codes and theories of
complicity.

You can't just deceive someone then announce that means moral codes and
theories of complicity are false.


Just like the dupe who can be easily deceived and falsely believe
something where a watch isn't stolen, there are also people who just as
readily accept the belief that they are responsible for the actions and
outcomes of others.


Non-sequitor


So much for wanting truth.
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Old 27-01-2005, 07:30 PM
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I've recommended that people consume products which cause the fewest
number of dead animals if they're genuinely interested in causing fewer
animal deaths.

So, unlike the other propagandists making this claim, why don't YOU
present the results of several honest scientific studies that estimate the
total animal biomass lost per pound of protein produced per acre by various
agricultural systems counting from the virgin ecosystem?

Laurie



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Old 27-01-2005, 07:44 PM
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Larry Fruity wrote:
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I've recommended that people consume products which cause the

fewest
number of dead animals if they're genuinely interested in causing

fewer
animal deaths.

So, unlike the other propagandists making this claim, why don't

YOU
present the results of several honest scientific studies that

estimate the
total animal biomass lost


Because "biomass" is meaningless.

You never answered my earlier question, Fruity: IF someone is
concerned with the loss of sentient life - and if you're going to play
in this sandbox, Fruity, you simply have to accept that that's an issue
for some people - then should he consider the deaths of 40 chimpanzees
with a total "biomass" of 1800 kg to be less bad than the death of one
hippopotamus of 2200 kg?

"biomass" is meaningless, Fruity. It's just you trying to perpetuate
your imposture of someone who knows real science. You do not know
science.

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Old 27-01-2005, 09:14 PM
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Because "biomass" is meaningless.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=biomass

Laurie




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Old 27-01-2005, 09:32 PM
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Larry Fruity wrote:
"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message
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Because "biomass" is meaningless.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=biomass


Cute. Well, not really; just stupid and idiosyncratic.

You STILL haven't explained why someone concerned with sentient life
should be concerned with "biomass", Fruity. And you STILL are whiffing
off from answering the question: should a person who IS concerned with
sentient life - and you have to accept his concerns as legitimate -
consider the deaths of 40 chimpanzees with a total "biomass" of 1800 kg
to be less bad than the death of one hippopotamus of 2200 kg?
Stop dodging and answer the question, Fruity.



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