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Accessory before the fact: "vegan" complicity in the death of animals
Two citations have been offered concerning the notion
of criminal culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: http://law.anu.edu.au/criminet/tcmplicty.html http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_..._Law.html#s165 Both of these make clear that knowledge of what will take place, or what is foreseeable as likely to take place, establish the criminal liability of the accessory before the fact. "vegans" very clearly have knowledge that the killing of animals almost certainly will take place in the course of producing the foods they eat. In order to try to get around this, they try to draw a distinction between the deliberate killing of animals for meat, which they say is necessary in order to obtain the meat, and the collateral killing of animals in the course of vegetable farming, which killing they claim to be "unnecessary". The distinction is false, as we shall see, in terms of establishing complicity. It omits the fact that some killing of animals in the coures of growing, harvesting, and distributing vegetables is deliberate. The alleged lack of necessity of collateral deaths is not a defense. One especially ham-handed and inept pseudo-"vegan" who haunts these groups (he is not really "vegan"; not even vegetarian) claims that he doesn't "buy" the deaths; he only pays the farmer for the produce. The law on complicity clearly does not allow this as a means of escaping responsibility. An accessory before the fact to a bank robbery in which an innocent person is killed cannot claim that he only wanted the money and didn't "order" the killing. While the accessory may not be punished as harshly as the person who actually committed the killing, it is very clear that the punishment of the accessory will be substantially harsher than it would have been in the absence of the killing. This is because the laws regarding complicity make the accessory both morally and legally responsible for ALL the forbidden acts that take place in the course of committing the intended forbidden act. While aiding and abetting the collateral and deliberate killing of animals in agriculture is not a crime, the moral similarlities are striking. The "vegan" has full knowledge that the actions of the farmers and distributors, with whom he willingly trades, are virtually certain to result in death to animals. If the "vegan" truly feels that such death is wrong, due to violating some alleged "rights" of animals, then the "vegan" is fully complicit, morally if not criminally, in the deaths of the animals. That the deaths may be collateral rather than deliberate is not a defense; it is the KNOWLEDGE and the WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE that establish, beyond doubt, the moral culpability of the "vegan". |
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"Ted Bell" > wrote in message link.net... > Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal > culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > http://law.anu.edu.au/criminet/tcmplicty.html > http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_..._Law.html#s165 > > Stp the cut and paste ~~jonnie~~, Your own posts are more entertaining |
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"Ted Bell" > wrote in message link.net... > Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal > culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > http://law.anu.edu.au/criminet/tcmplicty.html > http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_..._Law.html#s165 > > Stp the cut and paste ~~jonnie~~, Your own posts are more entertaining |
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Ray wrote: > "Ted Bell" > wrote in message > link.net... > > Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal > > culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > > > http://law.anu.edu.au/criminet/tcmplicty.html > > http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_..._Law.html#s165 > > > > > > Stp the cut and paste ~~jonnie~~, Your own posts are more entertaining **** off, shitbag Ray. |
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Ted Bell wrote:
> Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal > culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: Hi Ted. I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of content. I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines signaled that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a negative reaction out of people. There are so many good things to do and so many good things to read I can't justify the time for reading that kind of post. To save time in the future I am creating a new usenet filter to dispose of your posts before they are ever dowloaded into my client. Farewell No Offense Steve |
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Steve wrote: > Ted Bell wrote: > > Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal > > culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > Hi Ted. > > I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of > content. > > I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines > signaled that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a > negative reaction out of people. > > There are so many good things to do and so many good things to read I > can't justify the time for reading that kind of post. To save time in > the future I am creating a new usenet filter to dispose of your posts > before they are ever dowloaded into my client. > > Farewell > > No Offense > > Steve "No offense," bullshit. The only - ONLY - reason you would puff yourself up and PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE the killfiling of a poster is to cause offense. You sanctimonious ****. |
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Steve wrote: > Ted Bell wrote: > > Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal > > culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > Hi Ted. > > I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of > content. > > I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines > signaled that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a > negative reaction out of people. > > There are so many good things to do and so many good things to read I > can't justify the time for reading that kind of post. To save time in > the future I am creating a new usenet filter to dispose of your posts > before they are ever dowloaded into my client. > > Farewell > > No Offense > > Steve "No offense," bullshit. The only - ONLY - reason you would puff yourself up and PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE the killfiling of a poster is to cause offense. You sanctimonious ****. |
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"Steve" > wrote > Ted Bell wrote: >> Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal >> culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > Hi Ted. > > I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of > content. > I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines signaled > that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a negative > reaction out of people. You mean a "troll"? No, he is expressing a well considered opinion about the moral implication idea of animal death in the production of vegan foods. He wants you to have a positive, life-affirming reaction by seeing the truth instead of a fantasy. [..] |
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"Steve" > wrote > Ted Bell wrote: >> Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal >> culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: > > Hi Ted. > > I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of > content. > I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines signaled > that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a negative > reaction out of people. You mean a "troll"? No, he is expressing a well considered opinion about the moral implication idea of animal death in the production of vegan foods. He wants you to have a positive, life-affirming reaction by seeing the truth instead of a fantasy. [..] |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:12:57 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>"Steve" > wrote >> Ted Bell wrote: >>> Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal >>> culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: >> >> Hi Ted. >> >> I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of >> content. >> I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines signaled >> that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a negative >> reaction out of people. > >You mean a "troll"? No, he is expressing a well considered opinion about the >moral implication idea of animal death in the production of vegan foods. He >wants you to have a positive, life-affirming reaction by seeing the truth >instead of a fantasy. You can take your tongue out of his arse now he's left the group, Dutch. You're all on your own now. |
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"Reynard" > wrote > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:12:57 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote: > >>"Steve" > wrote >>> Ted Bell wrote: >>>> Two citations have been offered concerning the notion of criminal >>>> culpability due to being an accessory to a crime: >>> >>> Hi Ted. >>> >>> I am an alt.food.vegan reader and I am not interested in this kind of >>> content. >>> I didn't read your post beyond the first few lines as those lines >>> signaled >>> that you are some kind of person posting to get a reaction a negative >>> reaction out of people. >> >>You mean a "troll"? No, he is expressing a well considered opinion about >>the >>moral implication idea of animal death in the production of vegan foods. >>He >>wants you to have a positive, life-affirming reaction by seeing the truth >>instead of a fantasy. > > You can take your tongue out of his arse now he's left > the group, Dutch. You're all on your own now. Please, keep your fantasies to yourself. |
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