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Old 26-11-2004, 09:49 PM
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But not as many as occur during the production of tofu and
rice milk.



Perhaps you could get the Field Mouse Genius to provide you with the
photographic proof with which you will convince us of that claim?
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You still on about this bit of foolishness? Just try reading the sites
I have posted from reputable sources, not the religious ones you like.

Like the NY Times Article I posted.
Or the scientific references about the cause of the Sahara Desert?
Science sir.

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None of which has any relation to the food you or I or ronny-boy eats.
Thanks for proving yet again that you cannot discuss the impact of your diet
truthfully.




Or
http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com/sahara.htm
has many excellent university and main stream references.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/wi...pa/pa1327.html
Or is National Geographic a "foolish, religious" press?

It's basic archaeologic knowledge the sahara was a fertile growing area.
Do you deny that?





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Old 26-11-2004, 09:53 PM
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snippage...


Now let us consider that maybe you really are *not* too stupid to
understand it, which is more likely the case. If you really are not so
incredibly stupid, that means that you do understand it but want to
pretend that you don't. So we are left to wonder why you cling to lies as
is often/usually the case with veg*ns, because you guys never
will explain why you do it.

The problem is first that most cattle are not grazers, but rather eat
corn.

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No, fool. All beef cattle are grazers for most of their lives. They only
go to feed lots for the last few weeks. And, dispite your limited
knowledge, many beef cows don't go to feed at all. The truth is, which you
don't like, there is no need to feed *any* grain crops to beef cattle.
Kinda explodes you're whole mythology of vegan spew...





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"Beach Runner" wrote in message
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snippage...


Now let us consider that maybe you really are *not* too stupid to
understand it, which is more likely the case. If you really are not so
incredibly stupid, that means that you do understand it but want to
pretend that you don't. So we are left to wonder why you cling to lies as
is often/usually the case with veg*ns, because you guys never
will explain why you do it.

The problem is first that most cattle are not grazers, but rather eat
corn.

==================
No, fool. All beef cattle are grazers for most of their lives. They only
go to feed lots for the last few weeks. And, dispite your limited
knowledge, many beef cows don't go to feed at all. The truth is, which you
don't like, there is no need to feed *any* grain crops to beef cattle.
Kinda explodes you're whole mythology of vegan spew...





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Old 26-11-2004, 10:50 PM
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rick etter wrote:

"Beach Runner" wrote in message
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rick etter wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
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snip...





But not as many as occur during the production of tofu and
rice milk.



Perhaps you could get the Field Mouse Genius to provide you with the
photographic proof with which you will convince us of that claim?
========================

You still on about this bit of foolishness? Just try reading the sites
I have posted from reputable sources, not the religious ones you like.


Like the NY Times Article I posted.
Or the scientific references about the cause of the Sahara Desert?
Science sir.


==================
None of which has any relation to the food you or I or ronny-boy eats.
Thanks for proving yet again that you cannot discuss the impact of your diet
truthfully.



I guess you must have missed the difference between natural grazing
animals effect on the environment versus your cattle grazing. Read
them again. Of course, very very few cattle eat in open fields anymore,
they eat feed instead.

But then, I still think that someone who insists on going to VEGAN
discussion group to insult people and be disagreeable has some type of
personality disorder.





Or
http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com/sahara.htm
has many excellent university and main stream references.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/wi...pa/pa1327.html
Or is National Geographic a "foolish, religious" press?

It's basic archaeologic knowledge the sahara was a fertile growing area.
Do you deny that?





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rick etter wrote:

"Beach Runner" wrote in message
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rick etter wrote:

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snip...





But not as many as occur during the production of tofu and
rice milk.



Perhaps you could get the Field Mouse Genius to provide you with the
photographic proof with which you will convince us of that claim?
========================

You still on about this bit of foolishness? Just try reading the sites
I have posted from reputable sources, not the religious ones you like.

Like the NY Times Article I posted.
Or the scientific references about the cause of the Sahara Desert?
Science sir.


==================
None of which has any relation to the food you or I or ronny-boy eats.
Thanks for proving yet again that you cannot discuss the impact of your
diet truthfully.



I guess you must have missed the difference between natural grazing
animals effect on the environment versus your cattle grazing. Read them
again.

===============
You read them, fool. Tell me how your crop production isn't the definition
of habitat destruction.

Of course, very very few cattle eat in open fields anymore,
they eat feed instead.

=======================
Moron. try to learn a little about the subject before you continue to
display your total ignorance. All beff cows are grazed for most of their
lives.



But then, I still think that someone who insists on going to VEGAN
discussion group to insult people and be disagreeable has some type of
personality disorder.

================
LOL And vegans should know disorders, eh killer? Veganism is the very
definition of the term...






Or
http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com/sahara.htm
has many excellent university and main stream references.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/wi...pa/pa1327.html
Or is National Geographic a "foolish, religious" press?

It's basic archaeologic knowledge the sahara was a fertile growing area.
Do you deny that?







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"rick etter" wrote in message ink.net...
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rick etter wrote:

"Beach Runner" wrote in message
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rick etter wrote:

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snip...





But not as many as occur during the production of tofu and
rice milk.



Perhaps you could get the Field Mouse Genius to provide you with the
photographic proof with which you will convince us of that claim?
========================

You still on about this bit of foolishness? Just try reading the sites
I have posted from reputable sources, not the religious ones you like.

Like the NY Times Article I posted.
Or the scientific references about the cause of the Sahara Desert?
Science sir.

==================
None of which has any relation to the food you or I or ronny-boy eats.
Thanks for proving yet again that you cannot discuss the impact of your
diet truthfully.



I guess you must have missed the difference between natural grazing
animals effect on the environment versus your cattle grazing. Read them
again.

===============
You read them, fool. Tell me how your crop production isn't the definition
of habitat destruction.

Of course, very very few cattle eat in open fields anymore,
they eat feed instead.

=======================
Moron. try to learn a little about the subject before you continue to
display your total ignorance. All beff cows are grazed for most of their
lives.



But then, I still think that someone who insists on going to VEGAN
discussion group to insult people and be disagreeable has some type of
personality disorder.

================
LOL And vegans should know disorders, eh killer? Veganism is the very
definition of the term...




Cut etter some slack folks. He works for the government. The Cow Food
and Field Mouse Research Council to be precise. As a lavatory
attendent. Whilst wiping dribbled pee off peoples' shoes he managed to
overhear snippets of conversation regarding cow food and field mice
and now considers himself an expert in both areas. Which he
continually tries to impress us with. (When he isn't ranting
incoherently about hate-spewing lyer killers.)














Or
http://www.wildflowers-and-weeds.com/sahara.htm
has many excellent university and main stream references.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/wi...pa/pa1327.html
Or is National Geographic a "foolish, religious" press?

It's basic archaeologic knowledge the sahara was a fertile growing area.
Do you deny that?




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Old 21-12-2004, 04:47 PM
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Far more so than you. You can't even read with any sort of comprehension.
Again, we are all killers, fool.



What did I kill today Rick?


You probably didn't kill anything with your own hands,
Coleman. You were, however, complicit in the deaths of
sentient animals, today and all other days.



It's vegans that try to pretend that they
are not.



No we don't Rick, we simply want to arrange thing so as to reduce
exploitation of animals.


No you don't, Coleman. You do NOTHING to stop the
killing of animals. **** you and your "exploitation";
you can't give any rigorous meaning to that bullshit word.


No, you don't. You even said as much in another post.



I rarely eat anything that is not organic.


Oh, "rarely", is it? A crack in the dike...

Of course, you NEVER eat anything that doesn't cause
the death of animals in the course of its production.



Now you have nothing on terms of having a more cruelty-free diet than
someone that eats grass-fed beef or game.



I do,


Then you had no business insolently demanding "where"
when I talked about "vegans" claiming to be "cruelty
free", you sleazy arrogant ****. YOU - the "where" is
in YOU.

I have the willingness to eat a veganic diet if careless meat eater
farmers would bother to produce it.


You don't, Coleman. Passive willingness doesn't count
for anything. What you are willing to do is let others
carry your moral water for you.

Why do you dog vegans for the killing
activity of meat eaters,


He doesn't. He dogs lying, unethical "vegans" for
KNOWINGLY participating in a market process that
fundamentally involves something the lying "vegans"
claim to condemn. He dogs them for being lying
hypocrites. He dogs them for falsely believing
themselves to be leading "cruelty free" lives, merely
because they don't do the hands-on killing themselves.

and their petrochemical insanity? How many people
in government are vegan Rick? How many of the people who do control food
production are vegans Rick, what percentage would you think it is? Why do
you repetativly blame these crimes on those who condemn them and seek to
live differently?


Because they do NOT really "seek" to live differently;
it suffices in their warped ethics to *say* they want
to live differently. If they REALLY wanted to live
differently, Coleman, they would STOP participating in
the market process that makes them complicit in the
death of animals.


I expect you would blame the holocaust on the jews because they helped build
the camps themselves.


It is always slimey "vegan" who make the obscene
comparison with Jews in the Holocaust. You are a
filthy shit for continuing it.

The DIFFERENCE, Coleman, you sleazy lying arrogant
obscene ****, is that the Jews were compelled, at
gunpoint, to work on the camps. You are NOT compelled
to participate in a market process that leads to the
death of animals, Coleman; not compelled, that is, by
anything other than your own ****ING LAZINESS.

Rick, when something is imposed on people by others,
and that something is bad, then it is those who do the imposing that are
responsible.


Participation in the market process leading to dead
animals is not "imposed" on you, Coleman, you gutless
****ing coward.



And of course *you* care enough to condone/contribute to the importation of
massive amounts of food that uses up large amounts of resources and causes
massive amounts of environmental damage.



I don't condone it Rick, I just prefer it to starvation


No, Coleman, you prefer it to acting, period. You are
a passive shit.



never see the rest of the harm you contribute to either. What a
self-righteous, self-absorbed piece of crap you are!



That is a good description of


You, Coleman.




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