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Just "The First Thanksgiving", you moral and intellectual bankrupt.

At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - lots of it.


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Just "The First Thanksgiving", you moral and intellectual bankrupt.

At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - lots of it.

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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving


Just "The First Thanksgiving", you moral and intellectual bankrupt.

At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - lots of it.

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On 11/22/2012 12:57 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

[ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ From:
[ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

By Rynn Berry

http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html

[Ed.] "But it's tradition," is the cry when vegetarians
wonder why killing an animal should make Thanksgiving
special. Vegetarian historian Rynn Berry begs to differ.

The story of the Pilgrim's First Thanksgiving -- and
turkey's place in it -- has been shown to be largely a
myth.


No, it hasn't.

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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

[ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ From:
[ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

By Rynn Berry

http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html


This fake "article" proves that "vegans" are just left-wing ****tards.

"When they first arrived, on November 11 1620, the settlers had so
little food that they raised [sic] the houses of the Native American
inhabitants and made off with stores of beans and corn." That's a lie.

"There was simply no animal flesh to be had." That's a lie.

"It is likely that the first Thanksgiving would have had to have been a
vegan one, consisting of corn and beans served on pottery that the
so-called Pilgrim Fathers stole from the so-called Indians." That's a
lie, and here we see the raw hatred of America: "so-called Pilgrim
Fathers."

The rest of the screed is just garden-variety left-wing racist vitriol
aimed at European-Americans.



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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:38:01 -0800, Goo wrote:

On 11/22/2012 12:57 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

[ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ From:
[ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

By Rynn Berry

http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html

[Ed.] "But it's tradition," is the cry when vegetarians
wonder why killing an animal should make Thanksgiving
special. Vegetarian historian Rynn Berry begs to differ.

The story of the Pilgrim's First Thanksgiving -- and
turkey's place in it -- has been shown to be largely a
myth.


No, it hasn't.


Whether or no, millions of turkeys today experience life only because of their
consumers, not because of veg*ns. Veg*nism does nothing to contribute to better
lives, longer lives, or any lives at all for turkeys raised for food.
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****wit David Harrison, a convicted felon who gives *NO* consideration
to animals' lives or welfare, lied:

George Plimpton, a *real* opponent of "ar", wrote:

On 11/22/2012 12:57 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

[ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ From:
[ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

By Rynn Berry

http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html

[Ed.] "But it's tradition," is the cry when vegetarians
wonder why killing an animal should make Thanksgiving
special. Vegetarian historian Rynn Berry begs to differ.

The story of the Pilgrim's First Thanksgiving -- and
turkey's place in it -- has been shown to be largely a
myth.


No, it hasn't.


Whether or no, millions of turkeys today experience life only because of their
consumers


Meaningless. It has no moral meaning at all. It is not "good" that
turkeys "get to experience life."

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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

[ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ From:
[ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

By Rynn Berry

http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html

[Ed.] "But it's tradition," is the cry when vegetarians
wonder why killing an animal should make Thanksgiving
special. Vegetarian historian Rynn Berry begs to differ.

The story of the Pilgrim's First Thanksgiving -- and
turkey's place in it -- has been shown to be largely a
myth. It was only in 1863 that Abraham Lincoln declared
Thanksgiving to be a national holiday -- mainly as a
public relations ploy to whip up a sense of patriotism
and national unity during the Civil War. Pilgrims
themselves didn't become a part of the national
celebration until the 1890s.

The legend that one hundred odd English men and women who
landed at Plymouth Harbor feasted on turkey and all the
trimmings is a myth. When they first arrived, on November
11 1620, the settlers had so little food that they raised
the houses of the Native American inhabitants and made
off with stores of beans and corn. There was simply no
animal flesh to be had. It is likely that the first
Thanksgiving would have had to have been a vegan one,
consisting of corn and beans served on pottery that the
so-called Pilgrim Fathers stole from the so-called
Indians. If, instead of the Plymouth Pilgrims, we go back
a decade or so and look to the Jamestown colonists to
provide us with role models for Thanksgiving, we will be
even more scandalized. In her book Settling with the
Indians, Karen Kupperman tells us that the Jamestown
colonists were so lacking in farming skills (they spent
most of the time digging random holes in the hope of
finding gold) that they sank so low as to feed on corpses
that they dug up from Native American gravesites. By
rights we should be commemorating Thanksgiving by eating
corpses. On second thoughts, isn't that exactly what
we're doing?

Equal Exchange?

To be sure, the Plymouth Pilgrims were given a friendly
reception by the Native Americans: Massassoit, chief of
the Wapanoags, Samoset, chief of the Pemaquids, and the
ever faithful Squanto. Indeed, the peoples of the region
overlooked the Pilgrims' depredations and taught them how
to farm, fish, and eventually how to set up trading
posts. The reason why the Indians were so receptive to
the newcomers is that most of New England had been
depopulated by epidemics from prior contacts with
European traders and settlers. Europeans had introduced
such diseases as diphtheria, TB, streptococcus, scurvy,
cholera, typhus measles and chicken pox and smallpox.
It's estimated that, before the invasion of Europeans and
their diseases, northern America was home to as many as
20 million inhabitants from coast to coast. The diseases
ravaged the native populations from south to north
America, reducing them by as much as 90 percent.

Europeans were not very unhygienic. While Squanto tried
to get the settlers to bathe, he met with little success
because the settlers considered it un-Christian to bathe.
In cities such as London and Paris, raw sewage ran in the
streets. By contrast, most Native Americans were highly
skilled agriculturists. When Europeans arrived they found
a country that was already cleared and farmed. The
settlers simply walked into the indigenous communities
that had been depopulated by plague and took over. This
is why so many of the early New England towns have the
name attached to them-Deerfield, Richfield, and so on.
The colonists started their communities in the middle of
fields that had been cleared by the indigenous peoples

The Real First Thanksgiving?

The folklore taught in schools has it that the Pilgrims
originated the Thanksgiving festival and that they
provided the Native Americans with a feast they had never
seen. In fact, the opposite is true. In November 1621,
one year after the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth, the
Pilgrims celebrated harvest festival jointly with the
Native Americans-a harvest festival that the native
inhabitants had been celebrating for hundreds, perhaps
thousands of years. Most of the food at this festival was
supplied by Native Americans. It was a meal that the
Pilgrims had never witnessed, consisting of native
American foodstuffs. The main meal was a sort of corn
meal mush along with nuts and fruits such as
gooseberries, strawberries, plums, cherries, cranberries
and a groundnut known as the bogg bean. Popcorn and
popcorn balls made by the Indians with maple syrup were
served as a sweet. There was a variety of breadstuffs
such as cornpone, ashcakes, and hoe cakes, made by Native
Americans from their own recipes. It is also possible
that other native foods such as pumpkin and squash were
served. In his Food Encyclopedia, James Trager tells us
that there is a live possibility that turkey wasn't even
served. It's true that the Indians provided some deer
meat, and game birds, but they were side dishes and not
the focus of the meal. So the 1620 Thanksgiving dinner
proper in 1620 was probably a totally vegetarian one,
because the Pilgrims were unable to find animal flesh.
The second Thanksgiving in 1621 was also catered by the
Native Americans. Not only was it probably turkeyless,
but it was mainly vegetarian. Doesn't it make more sense,
therefore, that instead of celebrating Thanksgiving as an
orgy of Turkey slaughter, Americans should celebrate a
vegetarian harvest festival?

Rynn Berry is the historical advisor to the North
American Vegetarian Society. He is the author of Famous
Vegetarians and Their Favorite Recipes ($15.95) and Food
for the Gods: Vegetarianism and the World's Religions
($19.95). Copies may be ordered from the author at 159
Eastern Parkway, Suite 2H, Brooklyn, NY 11238.

http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html

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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving


At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - as much of it as they
could get - and they were damned happy to have it.

Meat is nutritious. Humans should eat it.

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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving


Just "The First Thanksgiving", you moral and intellectual bankrupt.

At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - lots of it.



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bucket of bullshit:

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

[ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ From:
[ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving

By Rynn Berry

http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html


This fake "article" proves that "vegans" are just left-wing ****tards.

"When they first arrived, on November 11 1620, the settlers had so
little food that they raised [sic] the houses of the Native American
inhabitants and made off with stores of beans and corn." That's a lie.

"There was simply no animal flesh to be had." That's a lie.

"It is likely that the first Thanksgiving would have had to have been a
vegan one, consisting of corn and beans served on pottery that the
so-called Pilgrim Fathers stole from the so-called Indians." That's a
lie, and here we see the raw hatred of America: "so-called Pilgrim
Fathers."

The rest of the screed is just garden-variety left-wing racist vitriol
aimed at European-Americans.

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The foods included in the first feast included duck, geese, venison,
fish, lobster, clams, swan, berries, dried fruit, pumpkin, squash, and
many more vegetables.

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Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
[
[ The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[
[ [ Subject: The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[ [ From:
[ [ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004
[
[ The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving
[
[ By Rynn Berry
[
[ http://all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html
[
[ [Ed.] "But it's tradition," is the cry when vegetarians
[ wonder why killing an animal should make Thanksgiving
[ special. Vegetarian historian Rynn Berry begs to differ.
[
[ The story of the Pilgrim's First Thanksgiving -- and
[ turkey's place in it -- has been shown to be largely a
[ myth. It was only in 1863 that Abraham Lincoln declared
[ Thanksgiving to be a national holiday -- mainly as a
[ public relations ploy to whip up a sense of patriotism
[ and national unity during the Civil War. Pilgrims
[ themselves didn't become a part of the national
[ celebration until the 1890s.
[
[ The legend that one hundred odd English men and women who
[ landed at Plymouth Harbor feasted on turkey and all the
[ trimmings is a myth. When they first arrived, on November
[ 11 1620, the settlers had so little food that they raised
[ the houses of the Native American inhabitants and made
[ off with stores of beans and corn. There was simply no
[ animal flesh to be had. It is likely that the first
[ Thanksgiving would have had to have been a vegan one,
[ consisting of corn and beans served on pottery that the
[ so-called Pilgrim Fathers stole from the so-called
[ Indians. If, instead of the Plymouth Pilgrims, we go back
[ a decade or so and look to the Jamestown colonists to
[ provide us with role models for Thanksgiving, we will be
[ even more scandalized. In her book Settling with the
[ Indians, Karen Kupperman tells us that the Jamestown
[ colonists were so lacking in farming skills (they spent
[ most of the time digging random holes in the hope of
[ finding gold) that they sank so low as to feed on corpses
[ that they dug up from Native American gravesites. By
[ rights we should be commemorating Thanksgiving by eating
[ corpses. On second thoughts, isn't that exactly what
[ we're doing?
[
[ Equal Exchange?
[
[ To be sure, the Plymouth Pilgrims were given a friendly
[ reception by the Native Americans: Massassoit, chief of
[ the Wapanoags, Samoset, chief of the Pemaquids, and the
[ ever faithful Squanto. Indeed, the peoples of the region
[ overlooked the Pilgrims' depredations and taught them how
[ to farm, fish, and eventually how to set up trading
[ posts. The reason why the Indians were so receptive to
[ the newcomers is that most of New England had been
[ depopulated by epidemics from prior contacts with
[ European traders and settlers. Europeans had introduced
[ such diseases as diphtheria, TB, streptococcus, scurvy,
[ cholera, typhus measles and chicken pox and smallpox.
[ It's estimated that, before the invasion of Europeans and
[ their diseases, northern America was home to as many as
[ 20 million inhabitants from coast to coast. The diseases
[ ravaged the native populations from south to north
[ America, reducing them by as much as 90 percent.
[
[ Europeans were not very unhygienic. While Squanto tried
[ to get the settlers to bathe, he met with little success
[ because the settlers considered it un-Christian to bathe.
[ In cities such as London and Paris, raw sewage ran in the
[ streets. By contrast, most Native Americans were highly
[ skilled agriculturists. When Europeans arrived they found
[ a country that was already cleared and farmed. The
[ settlers simply walked into the indigenous communities
[ that had been depopulated by plague and took over. This
[ is why so many of the early New England towns have the
[ name attached to them-Deerfield, Richfield, and so on.
[ The colonists started their communities in the middle of
[ fields that had been cleared by the indigenous peoples
[
[ The Real First Thanksgiving?
[
[ The folklore taught in schools has it that the Pilgrims
[ originated the Thanksgiving festival and that they
[ provided the Native Americans with a feast they had never
[ seen. In fact, the opposite is true. In November 1621,
[ one year after the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth, the
[ Pilgrims celebrated harvest festival jointly with the
[ Native Americans-a harvest festival that the native
[ inhabitants had been celebrating for hundreds, perhaps
[ thousands of years. Most of the food at this festival was
[ supplied by Native Americans. It was a meal that the
[ Pilgrims had never witnessed, consisting of native
[ American foodstuffs. The main meal was a sort of corn
[ meal mush along with nuts and fruits such as
[ gooseberries, strawberries, plums, cherries, cranberries
[ and a groundnut known as the bogg bean. Popcorn and
[ popcorn balls made by the Indians with maple syrup were
[ served as a sweet. There was a variety of breadstuffs
[ such as cornpone, ashcakes, and hoe cakes, made by Native
[ Americans from their own recipes. It is also possible
[ that other native foods such as pumpkin and squash were
[ served. In his Food Encyclopedia, James Trager tells us
[ that there is a live possibility that turkey wasn't even
[ served. It's true that the Indians provided some deer
[ meat, and game birds, but they were side dishes and not
[ the focus of the meal. So the 1620 Thanksgiving dinner
[ proper in 1620 was probably a totally vegetarian one,
[ because the Pilgrims were unable to find animal flesh.
[ The second Thanksgiving in 1621 was also catered by the
[ Native Americans. Not only was it probably turkeyless,
[ but it was mainly vegetarian. Doesn't it make more sense,
[ therefore, that instead of celebrating Thanksgiving as an
[ orgy of Turkey slaughter, Americans should celebrate a
[ vegetarian harvest festival?
[
[ Rynn Berry is the historical advisor to the North
[ American Vegetarian Society. He is the author of Famous
[ Vegetarians and Their Favorite Recipes ($15.95) and Food
[ for the Gods: Vegetarianism and the World's Religions
[ ($19.95). Copies may be ordered from the author at 159
[ Eastern Parkway, Suite 2H, Brooklyn, NY 11238.
[
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/tgveg-rb.html

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Thanksgiving the Hinduism way

By Sohoni Das
SF Hindu Examiner
November 20, 2009

Thanksgiving is a way to express one's gratitude toward
our families and friends. Interestingly the Hindu
religion also expresses thanks to our families and
friends and it has its unique way to do so.

The Hindu religion worships many Gods and it also
believes in giving respect to the elders. Parents are
considered next to God. In Hindu religion the gesture of
touching one's feet to seek blessings is a way to show
one's respect and gratitude. Youngsters touch elder's
feet seeking for blessings and in return the elders bless
them for long life and success. Evidently the Hindus also
share the equal amount of respect to anyone who is old
aged. Every festival in the Hindu religion contains
rituals where youngsters express their thanks and
gratitude to the God, their parents and to the elders in
the family.

The Gita also states that in order to do good karma one
should always respect elders and be humble and grateful
to the Supreme Being. The Gita also goes on to say that
even Teachers should be shown respect and thankfulness
for their contributions in one's life. Guru, in Hindi
means Teacher, is also considered next to God. In India,
Teacher's Day is celebrated every year on 5th September
and is in the honor of the birthday of India's 2nd
President Dr.Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan. On Teacher's Day
students show their appreciation and thankfulness to the
teachers.

The Hindus also believe that the various rituals in the
Hindu festivals are a way to express thanks to the God
Almighty for his blessings. During every festival the
custom of exchanging gifts and extending invitations for
visit is also a way to show "Thanks". The Hindu festivals
are always filled with fun and excitement no matter which
God one worships or which state they belong to. Sharing
gifts and sweets among the loved ones is a way to express
out gratefulness for their friendship, help and support.

The Hindu religion has nearly 13 festivals in a year and
in each festival the Hindus say "Thanks" with fun and
enthusiasm. Dhanyavad in Hindi means "Thank You" and it
is the least one can say for all the love and blessings
showered by the God Almighty.*

More at: http://www.examiner.com/hindu-in-san-
francisco/thanksgiving-the-hinduism-way

Footnote:

* "God" is a Judeo-Christian construct. We Hindus
consider Paramatma to be the Divine Supreme Soul. - Jai
Maharaj

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving


Just "The First Thanksgiving", you moral and intellectual bankrupt.

At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - lots of it.

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jyotishithead Jay Stevens - not a doctor, not a Hindoo - spewed a big bucket of bullshit:

The First Vegetarian Thanksgiving


At the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims ate meat - as much of it as they
could get - and they were damned happy to have it.

Meat is nutritious. Humans should eat it.



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