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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 12, 6:10*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >> the usenet. > > >> --Tedward > > > It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > athletes. > > Your claim is bullshit. http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders "Dave Scott (six-time winner of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record holder for the 24-hour triathlon), Edwin Moses (400 meter hurdler undefeated in international competition for eight straight years), Paavo Nurmi (twenty world records and nine Olympic medals), Andreas Cahling (1980 Mr. International title in body building), and Ridgely Abele (U.S. Karate Association World Champion)." But admittedly I'm not sure how many of these are vegan. They are vegetarian. You're just quibbling. You know that there have been plenty of world- class vegan athletes. I've certainly named at least two. |
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On Oct 12, 6:15*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/12/2012 7:52 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > On Oct 12, 4:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/12/2012 7:17 AM, The Undead Edward M. Kennedy wrote: > > >>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>> the usenet. > > >> Good one! > > > Seemed pretty lame to me. > > It was a good one. *You have a cardboard palate. What's a cardboard palate? |
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On Oct 12, 6:49*pm, Rupert > wrote:
> On Oct 12, 6:10*pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > > >> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > > >> the usenet. > > > >> --Tedward > > > > It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > > class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > > names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > > *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > > attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > > are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > > them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > > athletes. > > > Your claim is bullshit. > > http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > "Dave Scott (six-time winner > of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > holder for the 24-hour triathlon), Edwin Moses (400 meter hurdler > undefeated in international competition for eight straight years), > Paavo Nurmi (twenty world records and nine Olympic medals), > Andreas Cahling (1980 Mr. International title in body building), and > Ridgely Abele (U.S. Karate Association World Champion)." But > admittedly I'm not sure how many of these are vegan. They are > vegetarian. > > You're just quibbling. You know that there have been plenty of world- > class vegan athletes. I've certainly named at least two. http://www.adaptt.org/athletes.html |
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On Oct 12, 6:49*pm, Rupert > wrote:
> On Oct 12, 6:10*pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > > >> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > > >> the usenet. > > > >> --Tedward > > > > It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > > class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > > names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > > *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > > attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > > are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > > them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > > athletes. > > > Your claim is bullshit. > > http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > "Dave Scott (six-time winner > of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > holder for the 24-hour triathlon), Edwin Moses (400 meter hurdler > undefeated in international competition for eight straight years), > Paavo Nurmi (twenty world records and nine Olympic medals), > Andreas Cahling (1980 Mr. International title in body building), and > Ridgely Abele (U.S. Karate Association World Champion)." But > admittedly I'm not sure how many of these are vegan. They are > vegetarian. > > You're just quibbling. You know that there have been plenty of world- > class vegan athletes. I've certainly named at least two. The point of course is that Mr N. A. Cho's stereotype "They all look pasty and malnourished" is bullshit. As you well know. |
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On Oct 12, 6:56*pm, Antonio Veranos > wrote:
> [Rupert, ] > [Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:46:19 -0700 (PDT)] > > : Groundless accusations of lying are unethical. > > ...and easily dealt with, presumably. *Why have you chosen otherwise? > I have presented information about vegan athletes. It's very easy to find. Jonathan Ball, aka George Plimpton, is quibbling about how many of them are world-class. At least two of them are. The point is that Mr N A Cho's stereotype of vegans as "pasty and malnourished" is nonsense. |
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On Oct 12, 6:10*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >> the usenet. > > >> --Tedward > > > It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > athletes. > > Your claim is bullshit. Brendan Brazier is another one. "During his six year career, Brazier was regarded as one of the top endurance athletes in the world." He was vegan during this time. It's moving the goalposts to say "currently". My claim was not specific to the present tense. My claim was based on a memory of reading something about world-class athletes, but I now realize that that was vegetarian, not vegan. However I have found you three world-class vegan athletes. No doubt more could be found. This is boring. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? |
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On Oct 12, 6:10*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >> the usenet. > > >> --Tedward > > > It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > athletes. > > Your claim is bullshit. And Scott Jurek. |
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On Oct 12, 7:11*pm, Antonio Veranos > wrote:
> [Rupert, ] > [Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT)] > > : > : Groundless accusations of lying are unethical. > : > > : > ...and easily dealt with, presumably. Why have you chosen otherwise? > : > > : > : I have presented information about vegan athletes. It's very easy to > : find. > : > : Jonathan Ball, aka George Plimpton, is quibbling about how many of > : them are world-class. At least two of them are. The point is that Mr N > : A Cho's stereotype of vegans as "pasty and malnourished" is nonsense. > > Two is not "many". > It's up to four now. It's harder than I thought to find athletes who are both world-class and vegan. It's a lot easier if you relax it to "vegetarian". > In any case, veganism is well-understood by the medical profession to be > an inherently unhealthy lifestyle, adherence to which is quite dangerous > for many segments of the population. *This isn't even in question. Actually, it's complete nonsense. The position of the American Dietetic Association is that vegan diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life and have many significant health benefits. Two doctors have told me that it is good for my health that I am vegan. There are many studies indicating that vegan diets can have significant benefits for reducing the risk of heart disease and cancer. There is no evidence at all that a vegan diet is inherently unhealthy. > How > is veganism relevant to world-class athleticism, anyway? *Performance at > peak levels requires peak nutrition, and it's well-known that a vegan > lifestyle is detrimental to such achievement. *For those who are able to > be vegan, overriding their essential nature for whatever reason, more > power to them as far as I'm concerned... but let's don't pretend that > such people are as healthy as they could be otherwise. > They are more healthy than they would be otherwise. > -- > Antonio Veranos > > <insert witty comment here> |
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On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>> the usenet. >> >>>> --Tedward >> >>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >> athletes. >> >> Your claim is bullshit. > > http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > "Dave Scott (six-time winner > of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > holder for the 24-hour triathlon), These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they feel they need to put them together? Any why is the list of *real* "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very rarely are people of substance. "veganism" is the victory of style over substance, and that's always a bad thing - always. |
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On Oct 13, 5:47*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>> the usenet. > > >>>> --Tedward > > >>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >> athletes. > > >> Your claim is bullshit. > > >http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > > "Dave Scott (six-time winner > > of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > > holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > feel they need to put them together? The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >*Any why is the list of *real* > "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > rarely are people of substance. You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. Do you suppose that you are a person of substance? > "veganism" is the victory of style over > substance, and that's always a bad thing - always. |
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On Oct 13, 6:49*pm, Antonio Veranos > wrote:
> [Rupert, ] > [Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:48:04 -0700 (PDT)] > > : > Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very > : > rarely are people of substance. > : > : You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > : > : Do you suppose that you are a person of substance? > > Here's one: all vegans are hypocrites. > And why exactly do you think that? |
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On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>> athletes. >> >>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >> feel they need to put them together? > > The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> Any why is the list of *real* >> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >> rarely are people of substance. > > You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> "veganism" is the victory of style over >> substance, and that's always a bad thing - always. > |
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On Oct 14, 1:51*am, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>> athletes. > > >>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >> feel they need to put them together? > > > The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > > to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > What an interesting opinion you have there. > >> * Any why is the list of *real* > >> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >> rarely are people of substance. > > > You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? |
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On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> > > What an interesting opinion you have there. It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> > > What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, prominent medical doctors. "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 12:07*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > > What an interesting opinion you have there. > > It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > >>>> * *Any why is the list of *real* > >>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > > What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > have done nothing of substance. *Also, my observation that these lists > of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > prominent medical doctors. > > "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. *It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 6:07*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > > What an interesting opinion you have there. > > It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. Quite obviously. > >>>> * *Any why is the list of *real* > >>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > > What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > have done nothing of substance. You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? > *Also, my observation that these lists > of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > prominent medical doctors. > To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good mathematician. > "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. *It's style, not substance. You don't have anything on which to base that. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:11 AM, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:
> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >> have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists >> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >> prominent medical doctors. >> >> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose > piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. Exactly right. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 6:11*pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote:
> On Oct 15, 12:07*pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > > >>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > > >>>>>>>> the usenet. > > > >>>>>>>> --Tedward > > > >>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > >>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > > >>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > > >>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > > >>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > > >>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > > >>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > > >>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > > >>>>>> athletes. > > > >>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > > >>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > > >>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > > >>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > > >>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > > >>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > > >>>> feel they need to put them together? > > > >>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > > >>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > > >> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it.. > > >> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > > >> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > > > What an interesting opinion you have there. > > > It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > > are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > > are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > > position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > > >>>> * *Any why is the list of *real* > > >>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > > >>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > > >>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > > >>>> rarely are people of substance. > > > >>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > > >> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > > > What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > > My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > > have done nothing of substance. *Also, my observation that these lists > > of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > > obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > > a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > > prominent medical doctors. > > > "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. *It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose > piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. That's an absurd statement. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> > > As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it > is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. No, it's not. >>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >> have done nothing of substance. > > You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? By *all* means. Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of substance. Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. >> Also, my observation that these lists >> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >> prominent medical doctors. >> > > To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would > have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of > lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good > mathematician. Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. Mathematics is substantive, while "veganism" is nothing but style, so one would expect little overlap. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 6:33*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it.. > >>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > >>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > >> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > >> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > >> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > >> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > > As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it > > is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > No, it's not. > Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds you think you have for disagreeing. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * * Any why is the list of *real* > >>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > >>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > >> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > >> have done nothing of substance. > > > You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? > > By *all* means. *Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of > substance. *Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. > It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance. You might claim that you have examined their achievements and found that they have done nothing of substance. But that's definitely not true in the case of Peter Singer, as it happens, and no serious person would really make that claim. Not really true in the case of Tom Regan, either. > >> * Also, my observation that these lists > >> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > >> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > >> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > >> prominent medical doctors. > > > To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would > > have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of > > lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good > > mathematician. > > Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all > "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. > You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. That would require empirical investigation to back it up, and you haven't done any. You have absolutely know way of knowing whether it's true or not, you are just talking through your hat, as is quite common for you. > Mathematics is substantive, while "veganism" is nothing but style, so > one would expect little overlap. You're a fool. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: >> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >>> have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists >>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >>> prominent medical doctors. >> >>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - >> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose >> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. > > That's an absurd statement. It isn't. It's exactly right. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 6:40*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: > >> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >>>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >>>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it >>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >> No, it's not. >> > > Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds > you think you have for disagreeing. What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive, desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice. >>>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >>>> have done nothing of substance. >> >>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? >> >> By *all* means. Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of >> substance. Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. >> > > It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance. Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. That's insubstantial. >>>> Also, my observation that these lists >>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >>>> prominent medical doctors. >> >>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would >>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of >>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good >>> mathematician. >> >> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all >> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. >> > > You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. Of course I have. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:42 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: >>>> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> >>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >>>>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >>>>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>>>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >>>>> have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists >>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >>>>> prominent medical doctors. >> >>>>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose >>>> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. >> >>> That's an absurd statement. >> >> It isn't. It's exactly right. > > It's an absurd statement grounded in ignorance. No, it isn't. It's an insightful statement grounded in logic and observation. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 6:44*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 9:42 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: > >>>> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend.. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > >>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > >>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > >>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > >>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > >>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy.. > > >>>>>>>>> * * *Any why is the list of *real* > >>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > >>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > >>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > >>>>> have done nothing of substance. *Also, my observation that these lists > >>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > >>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > >>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > >>>>> prominent medical doctors. > > >>>>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. *It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose > >>>> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. > > >>> That's an absurd statement. > > >> It isn't. *It's exactly right. > > > It's an absurd statement grounded in ignorance. > > No, it isn't. *It's an insightful statement grounded in logic and > observation. That's very amusing. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 6:43*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > >>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > >>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > >>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > >>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > >>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > >>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it > >>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >> No, it's not. > > > Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds > > you think you have for disagreeing. > > What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive, > desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice. > Well, you seem to find it obvious. How would you go about convincing me that you are correct? > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * * *Any why is the list of *real* > >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > >>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > >>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > >>>> have done nothing of substance. > > >>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? > > >> By *all* means. *Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of > >> substance. *Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. > > > It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance. > > Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. *That's insubstantial. > You've made no serious study of their work so you wouldn't know. Particularly in the case of Peter Singer. No serious person could claim that Peter Singer's career has been "insubstantial", regardless of whether or not they agree with the various things he has to say. That's just absurd. > > > > > > > > > >>>> * *Also, my observation that these lists > >>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > >>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > >>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > >>>> prominent medical doctors. > > >>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would > >>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of > >>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good > >>> mathematician. > > >> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all > >> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. > > > You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. > > Of course I have. And what would that be? |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
"Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote
> >>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* > >>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > > What an interesting opinion you have there. > > It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" > are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > >>>> Any why is the list of *real* > >>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very > >>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. > > > What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists > of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > prominent medical doctors. > > "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - < <yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose <piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. You means those Goths don't really believe in vampires?! --Tedward |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:46 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:44 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/15/2012 9:42 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: >>>>>> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> >>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >>>>>>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >>>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >>>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >>>>>>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >>>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >>>>>>> have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists >>>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >>>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >>>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >>>>>>> prominent medical doctors. >> >>>>>>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose >>>>>> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. >> >>>>> That's an absurd statement. >> >>>> It isn't. It's exactly right. >> >>> It's an absurd statement grounded in ignorance. >> >> No, it isn't. It's an insightful statement grounded in logic and >> observation. > > That's very amusing. Not really; your reply was very pointless. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >>>>>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >>>>>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>>>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it >>>>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>> No, it's not. >> >>> Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds >>> you think you have for disagreeing. >> >> What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive, >> desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice. >> > > Well, you seem to find it obvious. How would you go about convincing > me that you are correct? The very clear and obvious connection to all the other lists of "famous 'vegans'" that are disproportionately populated by Hollywood starlets and other pop culture buffoons. >> >>>>>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >>>>>> have done nothing of substance. >> >>>>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? >> >>>> By *all* means. Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of >>>> substance. Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. >> >>> It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance. >> >> Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. That's insubstantial. >> > > You've made no serious study of their work so you wouldn't know. I know that they are most renowned for their efforts in support of "ar" and/or "al". Those are, of course, pure sophistry. >>>>>> Also, my observation that these lists >>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >>>>>> prominent medical doctors. >> >>>>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would >>>>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of >>>>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good >>>>> mathematician. >> >>>> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all >>>> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. >> >>> You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. >> >> Of course I have. > > And what would that be? The fact that not one has ever been identified on a list of "famous 'vegans'". |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 8:23*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 9:46 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:44 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/15/2012 9:42 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: > >>>>>> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > >>>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > >>>>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > >>>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > >>>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > >>>>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > >>>>>>>>>>> * * * Any why is the list of *real* > >>>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >>>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > >>>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > >>>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > >>>>>>> have done nothing of substance. *Also, my observation that these lists > >>>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > >>>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > >>>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > >>>>>>> prominent medical doctors. > > >>>>>>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. *It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose > >>>>>> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. > > >>>>> That's an absurd statement. > > >>>> It isn't. *It's exactly right. > > >>> It's an absurd statement grounded in ignorance. > > >> No, it isn't. *It's an insightful statement grounded in logic and > >> observation. > > > That's very amusing. > > Not really; your reply was very pointless. Well, it was definitely amusing to me, and my reply was no more pointless than your reply, or any other part of this conversation. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 8:26*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > >>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > >>>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > >>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > >>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > >>>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > >>>>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it > >>>>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>> No, it's not. > > >>> Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds > >>> you think you have for disagreeing. > > >> What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive, > >> desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice. > > > Well, you seem to find it obvious. How would you go about convincing > > me that you are correct? > > The very clear and obvious connection to all the other lists of "famous > 'vegans'" that are disproportionately populated by Hollywood starlets > and other pop culture buffoons. > Don't see any obvious connection, myself. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> * * * Any why is the list of *real* > >>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > >>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > >>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > >>>>>> have done nothing of substance. > > >>>>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? > > >>>> By *all* means. *Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of > >>>> substance. *Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. > > >>> It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance.. > > >> Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. *That's insubstantial. > > > You've made no serious study of their work so you wouldn't know. > > I know that they are most renowned for their efforts in support of "ar" > and/or "al". *Those are, of course, pure sophistry. > You have no particular grounds for that statement, and in any case there's much more to Peter Singer's career than that. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * * Also, my observation that these lists > >>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > >>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > >>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > >>>>>> prominent medical doctors. > > >>>>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would > >>>>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of > >>>>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good > >>>>> mathematician. > > >>>> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all > >>>> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. > > >>> You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. > > >> Of course I have. > > > And what would that be? > > The fact that not one has ever been identified on a list of "famous > 'vegans'". That's not an especially strong ground for the claim you made. Accomplished mathematicians are a small percentage of the population. If they were represented among vegans to a similar extent to the extent to which they are represented in the entire population, the number of accomplished mathematicians who are vegan would not be especially large and there would be no particular reason to think that one of them would have become famous outside academia. I know of three vegan mathematicians including myself. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On 10/15/2012 11:46 AM, Rupert wrote:
> On Oct 15, 8:23 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> On 10/15/2012 9:46 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 6:44 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:42 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". I *did* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record >>>>>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they >>>>>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible >>>>>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. >> >>>>>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. >>>>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of >>>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". >> >>>>>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. >> >>>>>>>>> It's a statement of fact. That's what *all* those lists are. "vegans" >>>>>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists >>>>>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their >>>>>>>>> position. It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any why is the list of *real* >>>>>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of >>>>>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: "vegans" very >>>>>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. >> >>>>>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. It's a fact. >> >>>>>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? >> >>>>>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who >>>>>>>>> have done nothing of substance. Also, my observation that these lists >>>>>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by >>>>>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is >>>>>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, >>>>>>>>> prominent medical doctors. >> >>>>>>>>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose >>>>>>>> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. >> >>>>>>> That's an absurd statement. >> >>>>>> It isn't. It's exactly right. >> >>>>> It's an absurd statement grounded in ignorance. >> >>>> No, it isn't. It's an insightful statement grounded in logic and >>>> observation. >> >>> That's very amusing. >> >> Not really; your reply was very pointless. > > Well, it was definitely amusing to me, Because you're off your meds again. |
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VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL - ZOMBIE REALISM IN FILMS AND DOCUMENTARIES
On Oct 15, 2:50*pm, Rupert > wrote:
> On Oct 15, 8:26*pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/15/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > On Oct 15, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >> On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > > >>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > > >>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > > >>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > > >>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > > >>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > > >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > > >>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > > >>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > > >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > > >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > > >>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > > >>>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > > >>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > > >>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > > >>>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > > >>>>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it > > >>>>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > > >>>> No, it's not. > > > >>> Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds > > >>> you think you have for disagreeing. > > > >> What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive, > > >> desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice. > > > > Well, you seem to find it obvious. How would you go about convincing > > > me that you are correct? > > > The very clear and obvious connection to all the other lists of "famous > > 'vegans'" that are disproportionately populated by Hollywood starlets > > and other pop culture buffoons. > > Don't see any obvious connection, myself. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> * * * Any why is the list of *real* > > >>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > > >>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > > >>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > > >>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > > >>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > > >>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > > >>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > > >>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > > >>>>>> have done nothing of substance. > > > >>>>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? > > > >>>> By *all* means. *Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of > > >>>> substance. *Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. > > > >>> It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance. > > > >> Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. *That's insubstantial. > > > > You've made no serious study of their work so you wouldn't know. > > > I know that they are most renowned for their efforts in support of "ar" > > and/or "al". *Those are, of course, pure sophistry. > > You have no particular grounds for that statement, and in any case > there's much more to Peter Singer's career than that. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * * Also, my observation that these lists > > >>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > > >>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > > >>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > > >>>>>> prominent medical doctors. > > > >>>>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would > > >>>>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of > > >>>>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good > > >>>>> mathematician. > > > >>>> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all > > >>>> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. > > > >>> You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. > > > >> Of course I have. > > > > And what would that be? > > > The fact that not one has ever been identified on a list of "famous > > 'vegans'". > > That's not an especially strong ground for the claim you made. > Accomplished mathematicians are a small percentage of the population. > If they were represented among vegans to a similar extent to the > extent to which they are represented in the entire population, the > number of accomplished mathematicians who are vegan would not be > especially large and there would be no particular reason to think that > one of them would have become famous outside academia. I know of three > vegan mathematicians including myself.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - there's been a lot of talk about how the popular television series Walking Dead is not realistic in its treatment of zombies. This leads to a key zombie-vegan question. There's been conversations about cradle-to-grave vegans. If a cradle-to-grave vegan is turned into a zombie via an unfortunate chain of events,is it more realistic to think the zombie-vegan would have a taste for meat, or that they'd retain thier taste for vegan food. |
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DOZENS OF WORLD CLASS ATHLETIC VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL
On Oct 15, 9:00*pm, George Plimpton > wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 11:46 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 8:23 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >> On 10/15/2012 9:46 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:44 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:42 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/15/2012 9:15 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 6:11 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 12:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > >>>>>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > >>>>>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > >>>>>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > >>>>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > >>>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > >>>>>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > >>>>>>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are. *"vegans" > >>>>>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > >>>>>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > >>>>>>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * *Any why is the list of *real* > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > >>>>>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > >>>>>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > >>>>>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > >>>>>>>>> have done nothing of substance. *Also, my observation that these lists > >>>>>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > >>>>>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > >>>>>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > >>>>>>>>> prominent medical doctors. > > >>>>>>>>> "veganism" simply is not a serious proposition. *It's style, not substance.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> yes, veganism is a style accesorry to most people, like a nose > >>>>>>>> piercing or dying hair pink, or wearing a certain brand of clothing. > > >>>>>>> That's an absurd statement. > > >>>>>> It isn't. *It's exactly right. > > >>>>> It's an absurd statement grounded in ignorance. > > >>>> No, it isn't. *It's an insightful statement grounded in logic and > >>>> observation. > > >>> That's very amusing. > > >> Not really; your reply was very pointless. > > > Well, it was definitely amusing to me, > > Because you're off your meds again. Do you seriously believe that, or are you just saying it because you get gratification from saying it? |
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VEGANS SUPPORT ME IN EMAIL - ZOMBIE REALISM IN FILMS AND DOCUMENTARIES
On Oct 15, 9:02*pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" > wrote:
> On Oct 15, 2:50*pm, Rupert > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 8:26*pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > > On 10/15/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > > On Oct 15, 6:43 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > >> On 10/15/2012 9:39 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > >>> On Oct 15, 6:33 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > >>>> On 10/15/2012 9:13 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > >>>>> On Oct 15, 6:07 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > >>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:45 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 1:51 am, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On 10/13/2012 9:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 5:47 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 9:49 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 6:10 pm, George Plimpton > wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/2012 7:48 AM, Rupert wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 4:17 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them, unfortunately, will actually admit to their existence on > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the usenet. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very easy for you to verify the existence of many world- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> class vegan athletes if you wished to. Google is your friend. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha! *It would be very easy for *you* simply to list the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> names of 50-100 of them, if there really were "quite a few" such who are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *currently* "world-class" athletes who are also "vegan". *I *did* > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to Google such a list, and as I already posted, a) most of them > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are not "vegan" but rather some degree of vegetarian, and b) most of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> them weren't even vegetarian during their years as active "world-class" > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> athletes. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is bullshit. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>http://kaleuniversity.org/3888-famou...n-bodybuilders > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Dave Scott (six-time winner > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of Hawaii's Ironman Triathlon), Sixto Linares (world record > > > >>>>>>>>>>> holder for the 24-hour triathlon), > > > > >>>>>>>>>> These lists are just stupid. *Why are "vegans" so ****ing insecure they > > > >>>>>>>>>> feel they need to put them together? > > > > >>>>>>>>> The point of the list is to demonstrate that it is perfectly possible > > > >>>>>>>>> to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > > > >>>>>>>> No, that's *not* the point of the list, and you ****ing well know it. > > > >>>>>>>> The point of the list is to try to attach some of the prestige of > > > >>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes to "veganism". > > > > >>>>>>> What an interesting opinion you have there. > > > > >>>>>> It's a statement of fact. *That's what *all* those lists are.. *"vegans" > > > >>>>>> are very acutely aware of their lunatic-fringe status, and these lists > > > >>>>>> are a desperate, plaintive effort to try to attach prestige to their > > > >>>>>> position. *It's a form of appeal to authority - a logical fallacy. > > > > >>>>> As I correctly pointed out, the purpose of the list is to show that it > > > >>>>> is possible to get peak nutrition on a vegan diet. > > > > >>>> No, it's not. > > > > >>> Seems like the obvious truth to me; I don't really know what grounds > > > >>> you think you have for disagreeing. > > > > >> What's obvious - excruciatingly so - is that it is a plaintive, > > > >> desperate attempt at attaching prestige to the goofy "lifestyle" choice. > > > > > Well, you seem to find it obvious. How would you go about convincing > > > > me that you are correct? > > > > The very clear and obvious connection to all the other lists of "famous > > > 'vegans'" that are disproportionately populated by Hollywood starlets > > > and other pop culture buffoons. > > > Don't see any obvious connection, myself. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> * * * Any why is the list of *real* > > > >>>>>>>>>> "world-class" athletes who are "vegan" so short, while the list of > > > >>>>>>>>>> ****ing ****witted showbiz celebrity "vegans" so long? > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Here's the basic truth - a truth with real meat in it: *"vegans" very > > > >>>>>>>>>> rarely are people of substance. > > > > >>>>>>>>> You have no particular rational grounds for saying that. > > > > >>>>>>>> I have every rational grounds for saying it. *It's a fact. > > > > >>>>>>> What, precisely, would those rational grounds be? > > > > >>>>>> My observation that publicly visible "vegans" usually are people who > > > >>>>>> have done nothing of substance. > > > > >>>>> You include Peter Singer and Tom Regan in that category? > > > > >>>> By *all* means. *Those two sophists by *definition* have done nothing of > > > >>>> substance. *Sophistry is the epitome of elevating style over substance. > > > > >>> It is not true that by definition they have done nothing of substance. > > > > >> Their careers have been dedicated to sophistry. *That's insubstantial. > > > > > You've made no serious study of their work so you wouldn't know. > > > > I know that they are most renowned for their efforts in support of "ar" > > > and/or "al". *Those are, of course, pure sophistry. > > > You have no particular grounds for that statement, and in any case > > there's much more to Peter Singer's career than that. > > > > >>>>>> * * Also, my observation that these lists > > > >>>>>> of "famous 'vegans'" *ALWAYS* are disproportionately populated by > > > >>>>>> obviously flaky people in show business and pop culture, while there is > > > >>>>>> a huge and glaring lack of engineers, scientists and, especially, > > > >>>>>> prominent medical doctors. > > > > >>>>> To know how well-represented such people are among vegans, you would > > > >>>>> have to do some empirical homework, not just casual observation of > > > >>>>> lists of famous vegans. I'm an example of a vegan who is quite a good > > > >>>>> mathematician. > > > > >>>> Accomplished mathematicians are a considerably smaller percentage of all > > > >>>> "vegans" than their percentage in the general population. > > > > >>> You have absolutely no foundation for that claim. > > > > >> Of course I have. > > > > > And what would that be? > > > > The fact that not one has ever been identified on a list of "famous > > > 'vegans'". > > > That's not an especially strong ground for the claim you made. > > Accomplished mathematicians are a small percentage of the population. > > If they were represented among vegans to a similar extent to the > > extent to which they are represented in the entire population, the > > number of accomplished mathematicians who are vegan would not be > > especially large and there would be no particular reason to think that > > one of them would have become famous outside academia. I know of three > > vegan mathematicians including myself.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > there's been a lot of talk about how the popular television series > Walking Dead is not realistic in its treatment of zombies. * *This > leads to a key zombie-vegan question. * *There's been conversations > about cradle-to-grave vegans. *If a cradle-to-grave vegan is turned > into a zombie via an unfortunate chain of events,is it more realistic > to think the zombie-vegan would have a taste for meat, or that they'd > retain thier taste for vegan food. I regret that based on my limited knowledge about zombies I am not in a position to answer that question. |
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