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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, Goo wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, Goo agreed: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, Goo lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, Goo lied extremely blatantly: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>"Why do some people on one hand call for the extinction of a species >>>>>>>>>>>>while on the other hand lamenting the extinction of another? Are they >>>>>>>>>>>>not all equal?" - James Hepler >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>>>considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>>>ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!! A guy who asked "are they not all equal" supposedly is opposed to >>>>>>>>taking them into consideration. HILARIOUS! You are such a stupid Goober, Goo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>LOL!!!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>>James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>> >>>> How do you think he disagrees with himself then Goo? Also Goober, which >>>>animals or beings of any kind do you want us to think don't derive the benefit >>>>of getting to live, and why? Do you think any creatures DO derive the benefit of >>>>getting to live Goob, and if so what do you think is the distinction between >>>>them and livestock animals who you claim don't, do you have any idea? >>>> >>> >>>James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>gibberish is bullshit. >> >> They do live Goo. Billions of them. Some of them have lives of positive >>value and some of negative value, but you people can't appreciate or even >>acknowledge the difference. > >No moral meaning to that Not to YOU Goo, but it has much meaning to people who honestly favor decent AW over elimination. |
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On 1/16/2013 12:20 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:38:50 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:34:23 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [cracker bullshit] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>>>> >>>>> How do you think he disagrees with >>>> >>>> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >>>> gibberish is bullshit. >>> >>> They do live >> >> No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did >> Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, >> and Sue Bishop. > > Not to YOU, but it has much meaning to It has no meaning, period - zero. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:34 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Why do >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>> >>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>> >>> How do you think he >>> >> >> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >> gibberish is bullshit. > > They do live No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, and Sue Bishop. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:41 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:57:25 -0800, George H. Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:35:22 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:17:01 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>> >>>> dh@. wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:10 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:57:56 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If by "life" one means the circumstances around you then they can be a >>>>>>>> benefit or a harm. But he doesn't mean that, he is equivocating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also point out that 2 a is not always a benefit and that the value of it >>>>>>> can change from positive to negative and do so multiple times for an individual. >>>>>>> You're too stupid to comprehend it seems, or you wouldn't be acting like you're >>>>>>> too stupid to comprehend like you are, but that's how it is and has been since >>>>>>> long before humans started raising animals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course you would deny it, you don't know you're doing it, it's >>>>>> unconscious. >>>>> >>>>> I point out a distinction that >>>> >>>> You make up drivel and expel it like vomit. You are aggressively ignorant. >>> >>> You just confirmed that >> >> That you make up bullshit - that's what he confirmed. > > I pointed out You point out nothing. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:38 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:07:21 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:13 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've seen that it's >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> What group of people other than eliminationists >>>> >>>> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >>>> meaningless drivel. Everyone. >>> >>> ONLY eliminationists have >> >> *Every* thinking person feels that way. > > I have no reason to avoid considering the lives of the chickens You have no reason *TO* consider those lives as morally meaningful, *Goo* - and in fact, you don't. Proved. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. > > Making that claim Making that observation of demonstrated *fact*, ****wit, shoots your stupid story to pieces. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [crap] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!! >>> >>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >> experience life" story is bullshit. >> >> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >> derive the benefit of getting to live > > How do you think he disagrees James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" gibberish is bullshit. Not in doubt. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:31:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:56 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> While there definitely are people who are outliers and unconventional thinkers, >>>> I believe there are probably more who consciously want to conform to the social >>>> and (huh) intellectual norms of their communities. ****wit David Harrison is >>>> one of those. I think American national culture generally has a hostility to >>>> intellectual endeavor, but that unhelpful tradition is certainly strongest in >>>> the south. It's not at all remarkable that a Republican candidate in Georgia >>>> for the House of Representatives, Paul Broun - a medical doctor, no less - said, >>>> "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and >>>> embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell." >>>> Now, I'm sure that sentiment is shared by some people all over the US, but we >>>> would expect to hear of someone in Georgia saying it. >>>> >>>> ****wit is exactly like that. . . but he tries to put >>>> some kind of "agnostic" gloss on it. >>> >>> I'm a weak agnostic >> No, you are not. You are an ardent true-believing stupid knuckle-dragging >> Southern Baptist. You absolutely believe in the Southern Baptist - that is, >> stupid and illiterate - conception of "god". > > You're a strong atheist I'm a weak or "negative" atheist. No "faith" involved. |
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****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting
dogs, lied: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:46:24 -0700, Bob Casanova - and *Goo* knows it's Bob - wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:59:58 -0800, the following appeared >> in sci.skeptic: >> >>> On 1/11/2013 9:07 AM, Bob Casanova - and *Goo* knows it's Bob - wrote: >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, the following appeared >>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>> >>>>> ..Explain how you want people to think you benefit from something that >>>>> is not a benefit. >>>> >>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> Good effort. He is uneducable, by his own admission. The only thing >>> left to do is abuse him. I'll carry on. >> >> Your choice; good luck. I have a wide tolerance for idiots, >> but eventually I reach my limit, at least for a while. > > So we don't get to find out what you want us to think is preventing life Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:39 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs - lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton showed *Goo* to be a liar: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Plimpton shit on Goo's cracker face: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!! That is the most blatant of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! YOU being honest about something seems like a compliment to the other >>>>>>> person from your pov. LOL...HILARIOUS. That almost convinces me you ARE Goo. >>>>>> >From here on unless something significant indicates you might not be, I'll take >>>>>>> it for granted you're Goo. Who else would be dishonest and stupid enough "think" >>>>>>> the way you do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!! Explain how you want people to think >>>> >>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> You have nothing to teach. >> >> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. > > How do you want us to think that Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:37 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:46:24 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:59:58 -0800, the following appeared >> in sci.skeptic: >> >>> On 1/11/2013 9:07 AM, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, the following appeared >>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>> >>>>> ..Explain how you want people to think you benefit from >>>> >>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> Good effort. He is uneducable, by his own admission. The only thing >>> left to do is abuse him. I'll carry on. >> >> Your choice; good luck. I have a wide tolerance for idiots, >> but eventually I reach my limit, at least for a while. > > So we don't get to find out what you want us to think is preventing life Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:35 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:17:01 -0800, Dutch > wrote: > >> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:10 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:57:56 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If by "life" one means the circumstances around you then they can be a >>>>>> benefit or a harm. But he doesn't mean that, he is equivocating. >>>>> >>>>> In contrast to your blatant lie I not only acknowledge the distinction but >>>>> have pointed it out in the past to you goos as well as to your new brother, >>>>> unless of course it's Goo himself AGAIN dishonestly pretending to be a different >>>>> person. Here's the distinction between different meanings for the word that I >>>>> usually provide you with: >>>>> __________________________________________________ _______ >>>>> 1 b : a principle or force that is considered to underlie the >>>>> distinctive quality of animate beings >>>>> >>>>> 2 a : the sequence of physical and mental experiences that make >>>>> up the existence of an individual >>>>> >>>>> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life >>>>> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >>>>> and point out that 1 b is itself a necessary benefit in order to benefit from >>>>> anything else, and also that when you lose the benefit of life you can no longer >>>>> benefit from anything afawk. >>>>> I also point out that 2 a is not always a benefit and that the value of it >>>>> can change from positive to negative and do so multiple times for an individual. >>>>> You're too stupid to comprehend it seems, or you wouldn't be acting like you're >>>>> too stupid to comprehend like you are, but that's how it is and has been since >>>>> long before humans started raising animals. >>>> >>>> Of course you would deny it, you don't know you're doing it, it's >>>> unconscious. >>> >>> I point out a distinction that you can't acknowledge, can't appreciate, and >>> quite possibly can't even comprehend. >> >> You make up drivel > > LOL!!! You just confirmed that that you post bullshit. |
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****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting
dogs, lied: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:46:24 -0700, Bob Casanova - and *Goo* knows it's Bob - wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:59:58 -0800, the following appeared >> in sci.skeptic: >> >>> On 1/11/2013 9:07 AM, Bob Casanova - and *Goo* knows it's Bob - wrote: >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, the following appeared >>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>> >>>>> ..Explain how you want people to think you benefit from something that >>>>> is not a benefit. >>>> >>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> Good effort. He is uneducable, by his own admission. The only thing >>> left to do is abuse him. I'll carry on. >> >> Your choice; good luck. I have a wide tolerance for idiots, >> but eventually I reach my limit, at least for a while. > > So we don't get to find out what you want us to think is preventing life Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:35 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:17:01 -0800, Dutch > wrote: > >> dh@. wrote: >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:10 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:57:56 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If by "life" one means the circumstances around you then they can be a >>>>>> benefit or a harm. But he doesn't mean that, he is equivocating. >>>>> >>>>> In contrast to your blatant lie I not only acknowledge the distinction but >>>>> have pointed it out in the past to you goos as well as to your new brother, >>>>> unless of course it's Goo himself AGAIN dishonestly pretending to be a different >>>>> person. Here's the distinction between different meanings for the word that I >>>>> usually provide you with: >>>>> __________________________________________________ _______ >>>>> 1 b : a principle or force that is considered to underlie the >>>>> distinctive quality of animate beings >>>>> >>>>> 2 a : the sequence of physical and mental experiences that make >>>>> up the existence of an individual >>>>> >>>>> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life >>>>> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ >>>>> and point out that 1 b is itself a necessary benefit in order to benefit from >>>>> anything else, and also that when you lose the benefit of life you can no longer >>>>> benefit from anything afawk. >>>>> I also point out that 2 a is not always a benefit and that the value of it >>>>> can change from positive to negative and do so multiple times for an individual. >>>>> You're too stupid to comprehend it seems, or you wouldn't be acting like you're >>>>> too stupid to comprehend like you are, but that's how it is and has been since >>>>> long before humans started raising animals. >>>> >>>> Of course you would deny it, you don't know you're doing it, it's >>>> unconscious. >>> >>> I point out a distinction that you can't acknowledge, can't appreciate, and >>> quite possibly can't even comprehend. >> >> You make up drivel > > LOL!!! You just confirmed that That you make up bullshit - that's what he confirmed. It's bullshit that every serious anti-"ar" poster has called bullshit. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:34 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Why do >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>> >>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>> >>> How do you think he >>> >> >> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >> gibberish is bullshit. > > They do live No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, and Sue Bishop. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit > > Making that claim favors elimination ONLY Goober, and you can't even pretend > it in any way favors AW. > |
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On 1/15/2013 12:38 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:07:21 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:13 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've seen that it's >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> What group of people other than eliminationists >>>> >>>> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >>>> meaningless drivel. Everyone. >>> >>> ONLY eliminationists have >> >> *Every* thinking person feels that way. > > I have no reason to avoid considering the lives of the chickens You have no reason *TO* consider those lives as morally meaningful, *Goo* - and in fact, you don't. Proved. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:41 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:57:25 -0800, George H. Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:35:22 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:17:01 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>> >>>> dh@. wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:10 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:57:56 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If by "life" one means the circumstances around you then they can be a >>>>>>>> benefit or a harm. But he doesn't mean that, he is equivocating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also point out that 2 a is not always a benefit and that the value of it >>>>>>> can change from positive to negative and do so multiple times for an individual. >>>>>>> You're too stupid to comprehend it seems, or you wouldn't be acting like you're >>>>>>> too stupid to comprehend like you are, but that's how it is and has been since >>>>>>> long before humans started raising animals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course you would deny it, you don't know you're doing it, it's >>>>>> unconscious. >>>>> >>>>> I point out a distinction that >>>> >>>> You make up drivel and expel it like vomit. You are aggressively ignorant. >>> >>> You just confirmed that >> >> That you make up bullshit - that's what he confirmed. > > I pointed out You point out nothing. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:31:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:56 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> While there definitely are people who are outliers and unconventional thinkers, >>>> I believe there are probably more who consciously want to conform to the social >>>> and (huh) intellectual norms of their communities. ****wit David Harrison is >>>> one of those. I think American national culture generally has a hostility to >>>> intellectual endeavor, but that unhelpful tradition is certainly strongest in >>>> the south. It's not at all remarkable that a Republican candidate in Georgia >>>> for the House of Representatives, Paul Broun - a medical doctor, no less - said, >>>> "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and >>>> embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell." >>>> Now, I'm sure that sentiment is shared by some people all over the US, but we >>>> would expect to hear of someone in Georgia saying it. >>>> >>>> ****wit is exactly like that. . . but he tries to put >>>> some kind of "agnostic" gloss on it. >>> >>> I'm a weak agnostic >> No, you are not. You are an ardent true-believing stupid knuckle-dragging >> Southern Baptist. You absolutely believe in the Southern Baptist - that is, >> stupid and illiterate - conception of "god". > > You're a strong atheist I'm a weak or "negative" atheist. No "faith" involved. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:39 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs - lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton showed *Goo* to be a liar: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Plimpton shit on Goo's cracker face: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!! That is the most blatant of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! YOU being honest about something seems like a compliment to the other >>>>>>> person from your pov. LOL...HILARIOUS. That almost convinces me you ARE Goo. >>>>>> >From here on unless something significant indicates you might not be, I'll take >>>>>>> it for granted you're Goo. Who else would be dishonest and stupid enough "think" >>>>>>> the way you do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!! Explain how you want people to think >>>> >>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> You have nothing to teach. >> >> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. > > How do you want us to think that Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. > > Making that claim Making that observation of demonstrated *fact*, ****wit, shoots your stupid story to pieces. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit > David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* >> - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit >>> David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton beat >>>>> ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison >>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, >>>>>> lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton beat >>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding >>>>>>>> fighting dogs, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>> beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [crap] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" nonsense was bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>> experience life" bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!! >>> >>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >> experience life" story is bullshit. >> >> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't derive >> the benefit of getting to live > > How do you think he disagrees James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" gibberish is bullshit. Not in doubt. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit > > Making that claim favors elimination ONLY Goober, and you can't even pretend > it in any way favors AW. > |
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On 1/15/2013 12:34 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:44:48 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:03 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Why do >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to experience life" nonsense >>>>>>>>>> was bullshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to experience life" >>>>>>>> bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> LOL!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >>>> experience life" story is bullshit. >>>> >>>> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >>>> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't >>>> derive the benefit of getting to live >>> >>> How do you think he >>> >> >> James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" >> gibberish is bullshit. > > They do live No moral meaning to that, *Goo*, and James Hepler told you so...as did Martin Martens, John Mercer, Felix, Swamp, diderot, Illinois Bowhunter, and Sue Bishop. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:38 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:07:21 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:38:13 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've seen that it's >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> What group of people other than eliminationists >>>> >>>> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >>>> meaningless drivel. Everyone. >>> >>> ONLY eliminationists have >> >> *Every* thinking person feels that way. > > I have no reason to avoid considering the lives of the chickens You have no reason *TO* consider those lives as morally meaningful, *Goo* - and in fact, you don't. Proved. |
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On 1/15/2013 12:41 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:57:25 -0800, George H. Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:35:22 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:17:01 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>> >>>> dh@. wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:10 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:57:56 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If by "life" one means the circumstances around you then they can be a >>>>>>>> benefit or a harm. But he doesn't mean that, he is equivocating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also point out that 2 a is not always a benefit and that the value of it >>>>>>> can change from positive to negative and do so multiple times for an individual. >>>>>>> You're too stupid to comprehend it seems, or you wouldn't be acting like you're >>>>>>> too stupid to comprehend like you are, but that's how it is and has been since >>>>>>> long before humans started raising animals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course you would deny it, you don't know you're doing it, it's >>>>>> unconscious. >>>>> >>>>> I point out a distinction that >>>> >>>> You make up drivel and expel it like vomit. You are aggressively ignorant. >>> >>> You just confirmed that >> >> That you make up bullshit - that's what he confirmed. > > I pointed out You point out nothing. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit > > Making that claim favors elimination ONLY Goober, and you can't even pretend > it in any way favors AW. > |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:39 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs - lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton showed *Goo* to be a liar: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Plimpton shit on Goo's cracker face: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!! That is the most blatant of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! YOU being honest about something seems like a compliment to the other >>>>>>> person from your pov. LOL...HILARIOUS. That almost convinces me you ARE Goo. >>>>>> >From here on unless something significant indicates you might not be, I'll take >>>>>>> it for granted you're Goo. Who else would be dishonest and stupid enough "think" >>>>>>> the way you do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!! Explain how you want people to think >>>> >>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> You have nothing to teach. >> >> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. > > How do you want us to think that Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:31:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:56 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> While there definitely are people who are outliers and unconventional thinkers, >>>> I believe there are probably more who consciously want to conform to the social >>>> and (huh) intellectual norms of their communities. ****wit David Harrison is >>>> one of those. I think American national culture generally has a hostility to >>>> intellectual endeavor, but that unhelpful tradition is certainly strongest in >>>> the south. It's not at all remarkable that a Republican candidate in Georgia >>>> for the House of Representatives, Paul Broun - a medical doctor, no less - said, >>>> "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and >>>> embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell." >>>> Now, I'm sure that sentiment is shared by some people all over the US, but we >>>> would expect to hear of someone in Georgia saying it. >>>> >>>> ****wit is exactly like that. . . but he tries to put >>>> some kind of "agnostic" gloss on it. >>> >>> I'm a weak agnostic >> No, you are not. You are an ardent true-believing stupid knuckle-dragging >> Southern Baptist. You absolutely believe in the Southern Baptist - that is, >> stupid and illiterate - conception of "god". > > You're a strong atheist I'm a weak or "negative" atheist. No "faith" involved. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need; anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. > > Making that claim Making that observation of demonstrated *fact*, ****wit, shoots your stupid story to pieces. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:39 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit > David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:54 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* >> - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:49 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit >>> David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:16:39 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - >>>> *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:23:26 -0800, George Plimpton beat >>>>> ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:06:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison >>>>>> - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, >>>>>> lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:36:27 -0800, George Plimpton beat >>>>>>> ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:48:46 -0500, ****wit David >>>>>>>> Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding >>>>>>>> fighting dogs, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:29:10 -0800, George Plimpton >>>>>>>>> beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot James Hepler. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [crap] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> James Hepler told you your "animals getting to >>>>>>>> experience life" nonsense was bullshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He asked if >>>>>> >>>>>> James Hepler told you point blank that your "getting to >>>>>> experience life" bullshit was pure bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!! >>>> >>>> LOL!!!!!! >>> >>> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> James Hepler did, of course, tell you your "animals getting to >> experience life" story is bullshit. >> >> I'm saying to David Harrison that his "at least they get to live" >> argument only applies to HIM and humans, that animals don't derive >> the benefit of getting to live > > How do you think he disagrees James Hepler told you point-blank your "at least they get to live" gibberish is bullshit. Not in doubt. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/15/2013 12:44 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:13:43 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:20 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, probably Goo wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Pimpton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF "Bob" is not you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known George to be that honest in over a dozen years of >>>>>>>>>>> reading his lies, that's some evidence you're not George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you want people to think is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fact that you think there's some >>>>>>>>>> nebulous "benefit" in being born with a painful . . . A short life of nothing but pain >>>>>>>>>> isn't a "benefit". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is yet more evidence that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Explain how you want people to think you >>>>>> >>>>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>>>> >>>>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>>>> trying to educate you. >>>>> >>>>> You have nothing to teach. >>>> >>>> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. >>> >>> How do you want us to think that >> Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit > > Making that claim favors elimination ONLY Goober, and you can't even pretend > it in any way favors AW. > |
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Dietary ethics
On 1/15/2013 12:41 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for dog fighting, lied: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:57:25 -0800, George H. Plimpton wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:35:22 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >> >>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:17:01 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>> >>>> dh@. wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:09:10 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:49 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for dog fighting, lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:57:56 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If by "life" one means the circumstances around you then they can be a >>>>>>>> benefit or a harm. But he doesn't mean that, he is equivocating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also point out that 2 a is not always a benefit and that the value of it >>>>>>> can change from positive to negative and do so multiple times for an individual. >>>>>>> You're too stupid to comprehend it seems, or you wouldn't be acting like you're >>>>>>> too stupid to comprehend like you are, but that's how it is and has been since >>>>>>> long before humans started raising animals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course you would deny it, you don't know you're doing it, it's >>>>>> unconscious. >>>>> >>>>> I point out a distinction that >>>> >>>> You make up drivel and expel it like vomit. You are aggressively ignorant. >>> >>> You just confirmed that >> >> That you make up bullshit - that's what he confirmed. > > I pointed out You point out nothing. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:38 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs, lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:36 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:07 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >> >>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:15:32 -0800, George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:17:44 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo* - convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs, lied: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:15:18 -0800, Dutch > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> George Plimpton beat ****wit David Harrison senseless: >>>>>>> He asked if the lives of wildlife and domestic animals should not be >>>>>>> considered as equal Goob. That's what I suggest and what eliminationists and >>>>>>> ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose, Goo. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's meaningless drivel. >>>>> >>>>> We've seen that it's t >>>> >>>> Nothing but meaningless drivel - pure bullshit. >>> >>> What group of people other than eliminationists >> >> Everyone knows your "getting to experience life" nonsense is bullshit - >> meaningless drivel. Everyone. > > ONLY eliminationists have reason to feel that way *Every* thinking person feels that way. |
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On 1/14/2013 11:39 AM, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon
for breeding fighting dogs - lied: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:47:35 -0800, George Plimpton showed *Goo* to be a liar: > >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:30:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:07:12 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:18:45 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:49:11 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 17:49:04 -0500, ****wit David Harrison - *Goo*, convicted felon for breeding fighting dogs - lied: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:20:06 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:10:48 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:40:25 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:54:59 -0700, Bob Casanova - no doubt - wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:12:31 -0500, the following appeared >>>>>>>>>>>> in sci.skeptic, posted by dh@.: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:21 -0800, George Plimpton shit on Goo's cracker face: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know that Bob is not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!! That is the most blatant of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, and I suspect that somewhere in that pea brain of >>>>>>>>>>>> yours you know it, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> LOL!!! There's no way I could know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Granted, there's probably no way *you* could know it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Since I've never known >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It wasn't a compliment or >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL!!! YOU being honest about something seems like a compliment to the other >>>>>>> person from your pov. LOL...HILARIOUS. That almost convinces me you ARE Goo. >>>>>> >From here on unless something significant indicates you might not be, I'll take >>>>>>> it for granted you're Goo. Who else would be dishonest and stupid enough "think" >>>>>>> the way you do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anything similar, it was a note >>>>>>>> regarding your many-times-demonstrated inabilities to >>>>>>>> comprehend damn near anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Still you can't say what >>>>>>>>> you want people to think is preventing life from being a benefit to you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Already done so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your assertion was that "life is a benefit", >>>>>> not that "one can benefit from life"; I certainly have no >>>>>> argument with the latter. >>>>> >>>>> LOL!!!! Explain how you want people to think >>>> >>>> No need;anyone with two neurons knows that prerequisites >>>> for benefits are not in themselves automatically benefits. >>>> Like "experiencing life", they may be neutral, with the >>>> benefit only realized in the content. Your contention is >>>> equivalent to claiming that receiving mail is a benefit, >>>> even if the mail is a bomb or an envelope of anthrax. >>>> >>>> And since you refuse to address the previous examples I gave >>>> explaining exactly the answer you're *again* asking for, and >>>> since I'm sure you'll do the same with this one, I'm through >>>> trying to educate you. >>> >>> You have nothing to teach. >> >> He has attempted to teach you the truth - truth to which you deliberately blind yourself. > > How do you want us to think that Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, *Goo*. You know it, too. |
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