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Old 02-02-2012, 02:56 AM posted to soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,alt.religion.hindu,alt.food.vegan,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.animals.rights.promotion
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:29:04 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:



[email protected] wrote in message ...
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:14:34 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:56:31 +0000, Derek
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:49:48 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:22:12 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh)

wrote:
On 10/01/2012 23:13, [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:31:27 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh)

wrote:
On 08/01/2012 20:32, Dutch wrote:
(heh heh heh) wrote

Why Veganism?

For compassion,

There's my reason.

Have you considered the collateral impact of those vegan
alternatives? For
example leather is a by-product of the meat industry,

No it is not a by-product. More animals are slaughtered than
would
otherwise be for their meat for leather.

How do you figure that?

Leather is a co-product of the meat industry, not a by-product of
it. It's an economically dependent product of meat production made
simultaneously with it to make each affordable to the consumer and
thereby increases the demand for slaughtered animals. A by-product
is something produced incidentally to another product that isn't
economically dependent on it for its production.

Leather is.

[Most consumers mistakenly assume that leather is merely
a by-product of the meat industry, and that buying leather
clothing does not increase the number of animals slaughtered.
However, this belief ignores the economic interdependence
of factory farming and the leather trade. In reality, leather is
a co-product of the meat industry, generating significant
profits for both factory farms and the leather trade itself. In
fact, without the lucrative sale of animal skins for leather,
factory farms would not even be able to turn a profit by
selling meat alone.

Provide some reason to believe the claim. Go:

Humans have NEVER considered animal hides to be waste.

They are waste to the vast majority of the food industry. Duh. You
need
to
provide some evidence that MORE cattle experience life because of
leather,
than
do exist because they're raised to be used for food. Go:


You just need to shut up.


LOL!!! You reveal yourself yet AGAIN by being opposed to pointing out
that
NO more cattle experience life because humans buy leather than would exist
if
they did not, much less does buying a belt cause any "extra" bovine to
live
anywhere on this or any other planet. Duh again. ONLY an eliminationist
would be
opposed to seeing that fact clearly pointed out and included in the
equation.


Why is that? And of what importance is the number of cattle who "experience
life"?





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On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:34:54 GMT, and/or www.mantra.com/jai
(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

Denton Vegan Cooperative

Why Veganism?

For compassion, the environment, your health, the future.

Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things,
man will not himself find peace.


"It's ethically impermissible to consider the lives
of other creatures" - "Dutch"

"Taking moral credit for a livestock animal's very
existence is analagous to taking moral credit for the
life of a daughter you sell onto the streets." - "Dutch"

""Getting to experience life" is not a benefit to an animal"
- "Dutch"

"I decline to "consider" the lives of animals" - "Dutch"

"What am I denying that animal by refusing to give it this
"consideration" that I am failing to give?" - "Dutch"

"It is illogical and inadmissible to "consider" the lives
(existence) of livestock, or of any other creature" - "Dutch"

"WIldlife, like livestock, happen to be living creatures,
their lives per se are not relevant to this issue." - "Dutch"

"Every consumer choice promotes animals to experience
life." - Dutch

"What's important is the medium/long term implications,
that is no more animals "in bondage" to humans." - "Dutch"

"Life does not justify death" - "Dutch"

"you should become a vegan. I've been saying that to you
for years." - "Dutch"

"I am an animal rights believer." - "Dutch"
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:56:36 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:



[email protected] wrote in message ...
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:29:04 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:



[email protected] wrote in message ...
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:14:34 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:56:31 +0000, Derek
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:49:48 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:22:12 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh)

wrote:
On 10/01/2012 23:13, [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 22:31:27 +0000, Nemo (heh heh heh)

wrote:
On 08/01/2012 20:32, Dutch wrote:
(heh heh heh) wrote

Why Veganism?

For compassion,

There's my reason.

Have you considered the collateral impact of those vegan
alternatives? For
example leather is a by-product of the meat industry,

No it is not a by-product. More animals are slaughtered than
would
otherwise be for their meat for leather.

How do you figure that?

Leather is a co-product of the meat industry, not a by-product of
it. It's an economically dependent product of meat production made
simultaneously with it to make each affordable to the consumer and
thereby increases the demand for slaughtered animals. A by-product
is something produced incidentally to another product that isn't
economically dependent on it for its production.

Leather is.

[Most consumers mistakenly assume that leather is merely
a by-product of the meat industry, and that buying leather
clothing does not increase the number of animals slaughtered.
However, this belief ignores the economic interdependence
of factory farming and the leather trade. In reality, leather is
a co-product of the meat industry, generating significant
profits for both factory farms and the leather trade itself. In
fact, without the lucrative sale of animal skins for leather,
factory farms would not even be able to turn a profit by
selling meat alone.

Provide some reason to believe the claim. Go:

Humans have NEVER considered animal hides to be waste.

They are waste to the vast majority of the food industry. Duh. You
need
to
provide some evidence that MORE cattle experience life because of
leather,
than
do exist because they're raised to be used for food. Go:

You just need to shut up.


LOL!!! You reveal yourself yet AGAIN by being opposed to pointing out
that
NO more cattle experience life because humans buy leather than would exist
if
they did not, much less does buying a belt cause any "extra" bovine to
live
anywhere on this or any other planet. Duh again. ONLY an eliminationist
would be
opposed to seeing that fact clearly pointed out and included in the
equation.


Why is that?


Because they are the only ones who are in a position that the information
works against their objective. Their objective is for people to become vegan
REGARDLESS of any impacts it would or would not have on existing animals or
potential future animals. NO ONE else's objectives would be negatively
influenced by the fact becoming widely known, accepted and acted upon.

And of what importance is the number of cattle who "experience
life"?


Even you should be able to figure out what the significance is both to
people who want to prevent any from being born at all, and also to people who
would like to see billions of them experience lives of positive value. If you
can't then ask Goo or Rupert if they can help you. Even if the three of you
together can't figure it out it would do you good to try, even if all you learn
from trying is that you can't figure it out.
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Denton Vegan Cooperative

Why Veganism?

For compassion, the environment, your health, the future.

Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things,
man will not himself find peace.

- Albert Schweitzer, French philosopher, physician, and musician
(Nobel 1952)

A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food;
therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life
merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.

- Leo Tolstoy, Russian novelist (1828-1910)

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can
change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

- Margaret Mead, American cultural anthropologist (1901-1978)

Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for
survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
diet.

- Albert Einstein

For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other.
Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and
love.

- Pythagoras, mathematician

The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of
animals as they now look on the murder of men.

- Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist

Sentient Beings Rights and Happiness:

http://www.vegansociety.com/resource...d-freedom.aspx

The Bettering of Our Tarnished Environment and the for the Hungry
People of Our World:

http://www.vegansociety.com/resources/environment.aspx

Food Security:

http://www.vegansociety.com/resource...velopment.aspx

Food for Your Heart and Your Health:

http://www.nursingdegree.net/blog/19...f-going-vegan/

Source -
http://www.dentonvegancoop.com/why-veganism.html

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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[email protected] wrote
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:56:36 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:


[..]
LOL!!! You reveal yourself yet AGAIN by being opposed to pointing out
that
NO more cattle experience life because humans buy leather than would
exist
if
they did not, much less does buying a belt cause any "extra" bovine to
live
anywhere on this or any other planet. Duh again. ONLY an eliminationist
would be
opposed to seeing that fact clearly pointed out and included in the
equation.


Why is that?


Because they are the only ones who are in a position that the
information
works against their objective.


That would only be true if the argument was sound. Transparent, self serving
sophistry like the LoL and other bad arguments help AR by hurting the
credibility of legitimate anti-AR.

Honest, intelligent, sane people oppose bullshit whether it helps their
cause or not, in the end that serves their cause better. The LoL, whatever
your latest disguise for it, is unadulterated bullshit.



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On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:25:05 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[Having appreciation for lives of positive value for livestock]. . .
is unadulterated bullshit.


ONLY to an eliminationist, and NEVER to someone who actually favors AW over
elimination.
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[email protected] wrote
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:25:05 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

THE LOL

is unadulterated bullshit.


ONLY to an eliminationist, and NEVER to someone who actually favors AW
over
elimination.


Clearly not.

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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:59:01 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:25:05 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

...[Developing appreciation for when decent AW results in lives of
positive value for millions of livestock animals]

is unadulterated bullshit.


ONLY to an eliminationist, and NEVER to someone who actually favors AW
over
elimination.


Clearly not.


That's a lie.
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[email protected] wrote in message ...
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:59:01 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 14:25:05 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

...[Developing appreciation for when decent AW results in lives of
positive value for millions of livestock animals]

is unadulterated bullshit.

ONLY to an eliminationist, and NEVER to someone who actually favors
AW
over
elimination.


Clearly not.


That's a lie.


That



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