Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?

"zuuum" > wrote in message
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> Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?

only in brands that do not kill the bees in the winter...

No, for similar reasons that wool isn't. If the pollen was found naturally
rather than from man made hives, then you could take it as vegan as no
exploitation was involved.

Worth noting that bee pollen can cause anaphylactic shocks to the rare few
and is highly allergenic.

John

"zuuum" > wrote in message
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> Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?
>
>

No, for similar reasons that wool isn't. If the pollen was found naturally
rather than from man made hives, then you could take it as vegan as no
exploitation was involved.

Worth noting that bee pollen can cause anaphylactic shocks to the rare few
and is highly allergenic.

John

"zuuum" > wrote in message
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> Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?
>
>

"zuuum" > wrote in message
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> Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?

Animal product = not vegan

"zuuum" > wrote in message
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> Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?

Animal product = not vegan

That's kind of inflexible don't you think?

What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
infant. Yes, humans are animals too!

Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.

The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.

But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
vegetalien then I am vegan.

-- Blue

Rubystars wrote:
> "zuuum" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?
>
>
> Animal product = not vegan
>
>

That's kind of inflexible don't you think?

What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
infant. Yes, humans are animals too!

Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.

The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.

But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
vegetalien then I am vegan.

-- Blue

Rubystars wrote:
> "zuuum" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Is bee pollen considered a vegan food?
>
>
> Animal product = not vegan
>
>

"BlueHeron" > wrote in message
...
> That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
>
> What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
> infant. Yes, humans are animals too!

Babies should NOT be vegans.

> Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
> (http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
> cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.

How about not using fur at all?

> The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
> get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
> them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
> be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.

The chickens might be pretty tasty too.

> But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
> vegetalien then I am vegan.

Ok. I'm not on any special diet but I do like to read about vegan and
vegetarian food because I think it tastes good.

-Rubystars

"BlueHeron" > wrote in message
...
> That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
>
> What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
> infant. Yes, humans are animals too!

Babies should NOT be vegans.

> Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
> (http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
> cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.

How about not using fur at all?

> The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
> get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
> them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
> be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.

The chickens might be pretty tasty too.

> But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
> vegetalien then I am vegan.

Ok. I'm not on any special diet but I do like to read about vegan and
vegetarian food because I think it tastes good.

-Rubystars

Rubystars wrote:
> "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
>>
>>What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
>>infant. Yes, humans are animals too!
>
>
> Babies should NOT be vegans.

Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.

But if you can't do it properly, and you are at all uncertain, then you
are correct, they shouldn't be raised vegan.

>>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
>>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
>>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.
>
>
> How about not using fur at all?

How does that help anything? If you have pets, they need to be brushed.
Why should all that fiber go to waste? As I said, using "waste" fur
from your pets is certainly a lot more environmentally and animal-safety
friendly then synthetics or plant based fibers.

>
>>The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
>>get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
>>them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
>>be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.
>
>
> The chickens might be pretty tasty too.

Sure, but just like I wouldn't eat my cat, I wouldn't eat my pig or my
chicken. I don't eat my companions.

>
>>But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
>>vegetalien then I am vegan.
>
>
> Ok. I'm not on any special diet but I do like to read about vegan and
> vegetarian food because I think it tastes good.

Right, but I was trying to correct your black-and-white view of
veganism. If a "vegan" option causes more harm than a non-vegan option,
guess which one the vegan should be choosing? The world isn't black
and white.

Cheers!

-- Blue

Rubystars wrote:
> "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
>>
>>What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
>>infant. Yes, humans are animals too!
>
>
> Babies should NOT be vegans.

Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.

But if you can't do it properly, and you are at all uncertain, then you
are correct, they shouldn't be raised vegan.

>>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
>>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
>>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.
>
>
> How about not using fur at all?

How does that help anything? If you have pets, they need to be brushed.
Why should all that fiber go to waste? As I said, using "waste" fur
from your pets is certainly a lot more environmentally and animal-safety
friendly then synthetics or plant based fibers.

>
>>The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
>>get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
>>them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
>>be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.
>
>
> The chickens might be pretty tasty too.

Sure, but just like I wouldn't eat my cat, I wouldn't eat my pig or my
chicken. I don't eat my companions.

>
>>But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
>>vegetalien then I am vegan.
>
>
> Ok. I'm not on any special diet but I do like to read about vegan and
> vegetarian food because I think it tastes good.

Right, but I was trying to correct your black-and-white view of
veganism. If a "vegan" option causes more harm than a non-vegan option,
guess which one the vegan should be choosing? The world isn't black
and white.

Cheers!

-- Blue

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:46:42 -0400, BlueHeron
> wrote:


>Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
>nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
>stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
>religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.
>
>But if you can't do it properly, and you are at all uncertain, then you
>are correct, they shouldn't be raised vegan.
>
>>>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
>>>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
>>>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.


oh, my. What if the sweater gets wet? Then you smell like a dog.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:46:42 -0400, BlueHeron
> wrote:


>Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
>nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
>stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
>religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.
>
>But if you can't do it properly, and you are at all uncertain, then you
>are correct, they shouldn't be raised vegan.
>
>>>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
>>>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
>>>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.


oh, my. What if the sweater gets wet? Then you smell like a dog.

"BlueHeron" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Rubystars wrote:
> > "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
> >>
> >>What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
> >>infant. Yes, humans are animals too!
> >
> >
> > Babies should NOT be vegans.
>
> Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
> nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
> stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
> religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.

I don't think such a diet should be given to children at all. They should at
least be ovo lacto for the calcium in milk.

> >>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
> >>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
> >>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.
> >
> >
> > How about not using fur at all?
>
> How does that help anything? If you have pets, they need to be brushed.
> Why should all that fiber go to waste? As I said, using "waste" fur
> from your pets is certainly a lot more environmentally and animal-safety
> friendly then synthetics or plant based fibers.

Ok. It just seems kind of gross.

> >>The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
> >>get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
> >>them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
> >>be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.
> >
> >
> > The chickens might be pretty tasty too.
>
> Sure, but just like I wouldn't eat my cat, I wouldn't eat my pig or my
> chicken. I don't eat my companions.

Understood.

> >>But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
> >>vegetalien then I am vegan.
> >
> >
> > Ok. I'm not on any special diet but I do like to read about vegan and
> > vegetarian food because I think it tastes good.
>
> Right, but I was trying to correct your black-and-white view of
> veganism. If a "vegan" option causes more harm than a non-vegan option,
> guess which one the vegan should be choosing? The world isn't black
> and white.

Good thinking.

-Rubystars

"BlueHeron" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Rubystars wrote:
> > "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
> >>
> >>What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
> >>infant. Yes, humans are animals too!
> >
> >
> > Babies should NOT be vegans.
>
> Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
> nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
> stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
> religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.

I don't think such a diet should be given to children at all. They should at
least be ovo lacto for the calcium in milk.

> >>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
> >>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly than
> >>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.
> >
> >
> > How about not using fur at all?
>
> How does that help anything? If you have pets, they need to be brushed.
> Why should all that fiber go to waste? As I said, using "waste" fur
> from your pets is certainly a lot more environmentally and animal-safety
> friendly then synthetics or plant based fibers.

Ok. It just seems kind of gross.

> >>The vegan ideal is about not (ab)using animals to our own ends. You can
> >>get that if I got chickens from a rescue, if they laid eggs, I would eat
> >>them. Why not? They are not going to turn in to a chick, and need to
> >>be removed from the nest at some point or another anyways.
> >
> >
> > The chickens might be pretty tasty too.
>
> Sure, but just like I wouldn't eat my cat, I wouldn't eat my pig or my
> chicken. I don't eat my companions.

Understood.

> >>But then, what do I know. I am more of a strict vegetairian, or
> >>vegetalien then I am vegan.
> >
> >
> > Ok. I'm not on any special diet but I do like to read about vegan and
> > vegetarian food because I think it tastes good.
>
> Right, but I was trying to correct your black-and-white view of
> veganism. If a "vegan" option causes more harm than a non-vegan option,
> guess which one the vegan should be choosing? The world isn't black
> and white.

Good thinking.

-Rubystars

> Babies should NOT be vegans.

My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of breast
milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.

John

> Babies should NOT be vegans.

My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of breast
milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.

John

> I don't think such a diet should be given to children at all. They should
at
> least be ovo lacto for the calcium in milk.

Humans produce their own milk, they don't need to steal it from cows anymore
than cows do from humans. Where do cows naturally get their calcium from?
Prior to animal husbandry and associated regular dairy consumption, where
did our ancestors get calcium?

I get my calcium from figs and greens, which are much healthier than dairy
products.

John

> I don't think such a diet should be given to children at all. They should
at
> least be ovo lacto for the calcium in milk.

Humans produce their own milk, they don't need to steal it from cows anymore
than cows do from humans. Where do cows naturally get their calcium from?
Prior to animal husbandry and associated regular dairy consumption, where
did our ancestors get calcium?

I get my calcium from figs and greens, which are much healthier than dairy
products.

John

Rubystars wrote:

> "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Rubystars wrote:
>>
>>>"BlueHeron" > wrote in message
. com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
>>>>
>>>>What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
>>>>infant. Yes, humans are animals too!
>>>
>>>
>>>Babies should NOT be vegans.
>>
>>Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
>>nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
>>stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
>>religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.
>

You can give an opinion. It's just that. The studies of countries that
don't use dairy show almost no incidence of osteoporosis, while it's
an epidemic in the US. So dairy isn't the great source you seem to
think it is. There are much better sources of calcium.

The biggest problem in the US is children drinking soda, which contains
phosphoric acid.

To actually know what you're talking about, why not read "The Bone
Density Diet" by George Kessler, who was voted the best professor at
Albert Einstein School of Medicine? He's the leading authority on
Osteoporosis as well as a leader in "Functional Medicine". It really
should be required reading by all parents.

Also, Dr. Spock, the recognized Baby expert, was a vegan, and said
children should raised on a vegan diet.

My children were raised as vegetarians. I was not, I didn't become
a veg*n till my 20s, about 30 years ago.

Rubystars wrote:

> "BlueHeron" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>>Rubystars wrote:
>>
>>>"BlueHeron" > wrote in message
. com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>That's kind of inflexible don't you think?
>>>>
>>>>What about breastmilk? That certainly is vegan, and very good for your
>>>>infant. Yes, humans are animals too!
>>>
>>>
>>>Babies should NOT be vegans.
>>
>>Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
>>nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be a big
>>stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am thinking
>>religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.
>

You can give an opinion. It's just that. The studies of countries that
don't use dairy show almost no incidence of osteoporosis, while it's
an epidemic in the US. So dairy isn't the great source you seem to
think it is. There are much better sources of calcium.

The biggest problem in the US is children drinking soda, which contains
phosphoric acid.

To actually know what you're talking about, why not read "The Bone
Density Diet" by George Kessler, who was voted the best professor at
Albert Einstein School of Medicine? He's the leading authority on
Osteoporosis as well as a leader in "Functional Medicine". It really
should be required reading by all parents.

Also, Dr. Spock, the recognized Baby expert, was a vegan, and said
children should raised on a vegan diet.

My children were raised as vegetarians. I was not, I didn't become
a veg*n till my 20s, about 30 years ago.

"John Coleman" > wrote in message
...
> > Babies should NOT be vegans.
>
> My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of breast
> milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.
>
> John

Children shouldn't be deprived of different food groups. Let her make the
decision herself when she's older.

"John Coleman" > wrote in message
...
> > Babies should NOT be vegans.
>
> My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of breast
> milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.
>
> John

Children shouldn't be deprived of different food groups. Let her make the
decision herself when she's older.

"Rubystars" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "John Coleman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Babies should NOT be vegans.
> >
> > My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of
breast
> > milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.
> >
> > John
>
> Children shouldn't be deprived of different food groups. Let her make the
> decision herself when she's older.
=====================
You're wasting your breath Rubystars, these are the same people that will
force their cats to be vegen. It's not about diet, it's a religion. A
religion based on lys, delusions, and ignorance.


>
>
>

"Rubystars" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "John Coleman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Babies should NOT be vegans.
> >
> > My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of
breast
> > milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.
> >
> > John
>
> Children shouldn't be deprived of different food groups. Let her make the
> decision herself when she's older.
=====================
You're wasting your breath Rubystars, these are the same people that will
force their cats to be vegen. It's not about diet, it's a religion. A
religion based on lys, delusions, and ignorance.


>
>
>

"rick etter" > wrote in message
k.net...
>
> "Rubystars" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "John Coleman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > Babies should NOT be vegans.
> > >
> > > My not? My daughter is, and is doing great. She does drink a lot of
> breast
> > > milk though, and that is an animal product that is vegan.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > Children shouldn't be deprived of different food groups. Let her make
the
> > decision herself when she's older.
> =====================
> You're wasting your breath Rubystars, these are the same people that will
> force their cats to be vegen. It's not about diet, it's a religion. A
> religion based on lys, delusions, and ignorance.

Unfortunately I think you're correct Rick. I just feel so bad for children
who could be suffering from malnutrition right here in the West because
their family decides to deprive them of several types of food against their
will and without any means for the child to protect themselves.

-Rubystars

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:46:42 -0400, BlueHeron
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
> >nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be
a big
> >stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am
thinking
> >religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.
> >
> >But if you can't do it properly, and you are at all uncertain, then
you
> >are correct, they shouldn't be raised vegan.
> >
> >>>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
> >>>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly
than
> >>>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.
>
>
> oh, my. What if the sweater gets wet? Then you smell like a dog.

One reason why cats are superior. :^)

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:46:42 -0400, BlueHeron
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Babies should eat a well balanced, healthy diet, with the correct
> >nutrients, the correct caloric intake. Human breastmilk should be
a big
> >stable for as long as necessary. There are many groups (I am
thinking
> >religious here) who raise their children vegan without a problem.
> >
> >But if you can't do it properly, and you are at all uncertain, then
you
> >are correct, they shouldn't be raised vegan.
> >
> >>>Or, what about, say, making clothing from the fur of your pet?
> >>>(http://www.vipfibers.com/) It's most certainly more friendly
than
> >>>cotton or synthetics, especially if you already have the pets.
>
>
> oh, my. What if the sweater gets wet? Then you smell like a dog.

One reason why cats are superior. :^)