Hello Fellow Vegans,

I need some help. I'm a student filmmaker (Graduate/ Chapman
University/ Orange, Ca) and a Vegan. I'm going to be going into
production on a very ambitious Thesis film starting on August 20
shooting till the 26th. I have a cast and crew of about 35 and I
really want to keep my set entirely Vegan.

The problem is, I'm not rich. This project is entirely self-funded
and, as you can imagine, feeding 35 people for 5 days of photography
is going to be expensive.

1) Ideally, I'd love to solicit food donations from Vegan/Vegetarian
food establishments -- any ideas on who would be good to go to
(Southern California)?

2) Everyone on my crew is a volunteer, and I'd love to find a really
enthusiatic Vegan out there who could assist me in soliciting vegan
food donations and bringing them to set -- I'd give you a big fat
Special Thanks Super-Vegan credit at the FRONT of the film -- if
someone could volunteer a few hours to help out. You'll also be doing
a good deed -- exposing 35 meat eaters to vegan alternatives (I'm
thinking of not mentioning till after shooting is over that all our
catering was Vegan).

Below is a letter that I plan to send out to Vegetarian places (again,
I need ideas on who I should go to). Additionally, any other advice
you can think of would be greatly appreciated.

------
To Whom It May Concern:


Hello! My name is Carly Lyn, I am a Graduate Film Student at Chapman
University and beginning Aug 20th, I will be shooting my Thesis Film –
a 15 minute, 35mm, fairytale comedy called "Charming". I am writing to
you because I'm hoping to use this filmmaking opportunity to expose my
cast and crew of approximately 35 people to healthy, delicious Vegan
meals during our 5-day shooting schedule.

As a longtime Vegan, I value the importance of compassion and a
healthy lifestyle (for both the individual and the environment). While
many film sets (especially on the student level) are forced to deny
their cast and crew nutritious alternatives to meat and dairy in order
to save money, I am putting an extra, personal effort into soliciting
entirely Vegan meal donations from health-conscious food
establishments in order to do my part and expose more people to the
benefits of conscientious eating habits.

My film, a satire dealing with the origin of Prince Charming, is an
ambitious film set in medieval times. It has been made possible by
generous donations from the entertainment community. The Crossroads
Renaissance Festival has donated the use of their Faire Grounds during
the off season, MLH Designs has donated enough free costume rentals to
outfit our entire cast including extras, and Kodak and Panavision are
donating film and equipment rentals. I am hoping that you will be just
as generous in helping us provide meals for our crew.

In appreciation of your donation, I'd like to mention you and your
business in the Special Thanks portion of the credits. This film will
be distributed on the Film Festival circuit – receiving local and
national exposure for your business.

Upon your request, I can provide an official letter from Chapman
University which states the school's Tax ID number. Your gift is tax
deductible.

Please contact me directly to confirm which day(s) you would be able
to donate your food services. A student from our production will pick
up the food and deliver it to the set. I can be contacted anytime at
925-890-0486 (I live in Orange, this is my cell phone number) or by
e-mail at .

With great appreciation,


Carly Lyn
Writer/Director "Charming"

oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help you
make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
change the way they eat???

Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that you
provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing this.
They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be concerned
about them coming back for the second day, frankly.

> wrote in message
...
>
> oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help you
> make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> change the way they eat???
>
> Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that you
> provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing this.
> They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be concerned
> about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
>
eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products isn't going
to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day (especially
since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal lives...it's not some
freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't 'change the
way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being a bringer of
animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for people to know
that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared lumps of
tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty. eating
yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they were vegan
isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan now!' they
probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of the shoot
anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.

"katie" > wrote in message
ogers.com...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help you
> > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > change the way they eat???
> >
> > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that you
> > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
this.
> > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be concerned
> > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> >
> eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products isn't
going
> to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
(especially
> since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal lives...it's
not some
> freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
'change the
> way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being a
bringer of
> animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for people
to know
> that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
lumps of
> tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
eating
> yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they were
vegan
> isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan now!'
they
> probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of the
shoot
> anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.

I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot of
people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat every
bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better term). I
personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the absense of
meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
product in it. Why subject carnivores to the same plight? I think the
OP is depriving people from having freedom of choice for selfish
reasons.

"katie" > wrote in message
ogers.com...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help you
> > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > change the way they eat???
> >
> > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that you
> > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
this.
> > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be concerned
> > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> >
> eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products isn't
going
> to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
(especially
> since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal lives...it's
not some
> freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
'change the
> way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being a
bringer of
> animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for people
to know
> that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
lumps of
> tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
eating
> yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they were
vegan
> isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan now!'
they
> probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of the
shoot
> anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.

I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot of
people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat every
bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better term). I
personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the absense of
meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
product in it. Why subject carnivores to the same plight? I think the
OP is depriving people from having freedom of choice for selfish
reasons.

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "katie" > wrote in message
> ogers.com...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help you
> > > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > > change the way they eat???
> > >
> > > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that you
> > > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
> this.
> > > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be concerned
> > > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> > >
> > eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products isn't
> going
> > to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
> (especially
> > since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal lives...it's
> not some
> > freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
> 'change the
> > way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being a
> bringer of
> > animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for people
> to know
> > that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
> lumps of
> > tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
> eating
> > yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they were
> vegan
> > isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan now!'
> they
> > probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of the
> shoot
> > anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.
>
> I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot of
> people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
> convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat every
> bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better term). I
> personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the absense of
> meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
> function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
> product in it.

that's a completely different thing, since in that case there isn't a damned
thing i can eat. in this case, absolutely everyone will be able to eat
absolutely everything (food allergies aside). and i'll bet that any jewish
folks on the set will be relieved not to have to navigate for
non-kosherness. no one gets left without food, and if the food is yummy, no
one should be ****ed to miss meat for one or two meals out of a few days.
if they are, i'd say they're wasting a huge amount of energy on something
that is in no way a big deal.

Why subject carnivores to the same plight? I think the
> OP is depriving people from having freedom of choice for selfish
> reasons.
>
>
>
>

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "katie" > wrote in message
> ogers.com...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help you
> > > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > > change the way they eat???
> > >
> > > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that you
> > > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
> this.
> > > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be concerned
> > > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> > >
> > eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products isn't
> going
> > to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
> (especially
> > since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal lives...it's
> not some
> > freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
> 'change the
> > way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being a
> bringer of
> > animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for people
> to know
> > that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
> lumps of
> > tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
> eating
> > yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they were
> vegan
> > isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan now!'
> they
> > probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of the
> shoot
> > anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.
>
> I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot of
> people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
> convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat every
> bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better term). I
> personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the absense of
> meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
> function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
> product in it.

that's a completely different thing, since in that case there isn't a damned
thing i can eat. in this case, absolutely everyone will be able to eat
absolutely everything (food allergies aside). and i'll bet that any jewish
folks on the set will be relieved not to have to navigate for
non-kosherness. no one gets left without food, and if the food is yummy, no
one should be ****ed to miss meat for one or two meals out of a few days.
if they are, i'd say they're wasting a huge amount of energy on something
that is in no way a big deal.

Why subject carnivores to the same plight? I think the
> OP is depriving people from having freedom of choice for selfish
> reasons.
>
>
>
>

"katie" > wrote in message
rs.com...
>
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "katie" > wrote in message
> > ogers.com...
> > >
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help
you
> > > > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > > > change the way they eat???
> > > >
> > > > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that
you
> > > > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
> > this.
> > > > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be
concerned
> > > > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> > > >
> > > eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products
isn't
> > going
> > > to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
> > (especially
> > > since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal
lives...it's
> > not some
> > > freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
> > 'change the
> > > way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being
a
> > bringer of
> > > animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for
people
> > to know
> > > that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
> > lumps of
> > > tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
> > eating
> > > yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they
were
> > vegan
> > > isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan
now!'
> > they
> > > probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of
the
> > shoot
> > > anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.
> >
> > I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot
of
> > people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
> > convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat
every
> > bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better
term). I
> > personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the
absense of
> > meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
> > function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
> > product in it.
>
> that's a completely different thing, since in that case there isn't
a damned
> thing i can eat. in this case, absolutely everyone will be able to
eat
> absolutely everything (food allergies aside). and i'll bet that any
jewish
> folks on the set will be relieved not to have to navigate for
> non-kosherness. no one gets left without food, and if the food is
yummy, no
> one should be ****ed to miss meat for one or two meals out of a few
days.
> if they are, i'd say they're wasting a huge amount of energy on
something
> that is in no way a big deal.

Oh, but it is a big deal to them. Trust me, I know a lot of the kind
of people I'm talking about! :^) They abhor food without meat just as
much as vegetarians abhor food with meat - with very few exceptions.
My cousin tells me his mouth begins to water when he sees a live cow,
for crying out loud! I grew up in that culture. Meat was the central
focus of every meal, with a starch and vegetable on the side. That's
what was widely regarded as proper nutrition then. Taking away meat
leaves only the side starch and vegetable, which is an incompete meal
to them. Of course, we don't think of being vegetarian in the same
way. I guess what I'm saying in all of this is that the OP should know
her "captives" before arbitrarily offering only vegan options. Younger
and more educated people might not mind as much, but older and less
educated blue collar types are almost guaranteed to mind it. They will
be ****ed if there are no meat options, even if the meatless options
are very good.

I haven't done a very good job expressing myself after rereading this.
I look back to your statements "that's a completely different thing,
since in that case there isn't a damned thing i can eat" and "i'd say
they're wasting a huge amount of energy on something that is in no way
a big deal". You opt not to eat meat (assuming out of choice and not
for some medical reason, etc.) and it's a big deal when you are faced
with only meat options. Many carvivores opt to eat meat and it's a big
deal to them when they are faced with only meatless options. It is the
same thing.

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "katie" > wrote in message
> rs.com...
> >
> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "katie" > wrote in message
> > > ogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help
> you
> > > > > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > > > > change the way they eat???
> > > > >
> > > > > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that
> you
> > > > > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
> > > this.
> > > > > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be
> concerned
> > > > > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> > > > >
> > > > eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products
> isn't
> > > going
> > > > to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
> > > (especially
> > > > since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal
> lives...it's
> > > not some
> > > > freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
> > > 'change the
> > > > way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being
> a
> > > bringer of
> > > > animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for
> people
> > > to know
> > > > that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
> > > lumps of
> > > > tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
> > > eating
> > > > yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they
> were
> > > vegan
> > > > isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan
> now!'
> > > they
> > > > probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of
> the
> > > shoot
> > > > anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.
> > >
> > > I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot
> of
> > > people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
> > > convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat
> every
> > > bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better
> term). I
> > > personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the
> absense of
> > > meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
> > > function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
> > > product in it.
> >
> > that's a completely different thing, since in that case there isn't
> a damned
> > thing i can eat. in this case, absolutely everyone will be able to
> eat
> > absolutely everything (food allergies aside). and i'll bet that any
> jewish
> > folks on the set will be relieved not to have to navigate for
> > non-kosherness. no one gets left without food, and if the food is
> yummy, no
> > one should be ****ed to miss meat for one or two meals out of a few
> days.
> > if they are, i'd say they're wasting a huge amount of energy on
> something
> > that is in no way a big deal.
>
> Oh, but it is a big deal to them. Trust me, I know a lot of the kind
> of people I'm talking about! :^) They abhor food without meat just as
> much as vegetarians abhor food with meat - with very few exceptions.
> My cousin tells me his mouth begins to water when he sees a live cow,
> for crying out loud! I grew up in that culture. Meat was the central
> focus of every meal, with a starch and vegetable on the side. That's
> what was widely regarded as proper nutrition then. Taking away meat
> leaves only the side starch and vegetable, which is an incompete meal
> to them. Of course, we don't think of being vegetarian in the same
> way. I guess what I'm saying in all of this is that the OP should know
> her "captives" before arbitrarily offering only vegan options. Younger
> and more educated people might not mind as much, but older and less
> educated blue collar types are almost guaranteed to mind it. They will
> be ****ed if there are no meat options, even if the meatless options
> are very good.
>
> I haven't done a very good job expressing myself after rereading this.
> I look back to your statements "that's a completely different thing,
> since in that case there isn't a damned thing i can eat" and "i'd say
> they're wasting a huge amount of energy on something that is in no way
> a big deal". You opt not to eat meat (assuming out of choice and not
> for some medical reason, etc.) and it's a big deal when you are faced
> with only meat options. Many carvivores opt to eat meat and it's a big
> deal to them when they are faced with only meatless options. It is the
> same thing.
>
i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since there
would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be full of
yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling. seems like
a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who would
throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were attending
something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but no one who
would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "katie" > wrote in message
> rs.com...
> >
> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "katie" > wrote in message
> > > ogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to help
> you
> > > > > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying to
> > > > > change the way they eat???
> > > > >
> > > > > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food that
> you
> > > > > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend doing
> > > this.
> > > > > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be
> concerned
> > > > > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> > > > >
> > > > eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal products
> isn't
> > > going
> > > > to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
> > > (especially
> > > > since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal
> lives...it's
> > > not some
> > > > freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it doesn't
> > > 'change the
> > > > way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable being
> a
> > > bringer of
> > > > animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt for
> people
> > > to know
> > > > that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and sickeningly-prepared
> > > lumps of
> > > > tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be tasty.
> > > eating
> > > > yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they
> were
> > > vegan
> > > > isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan
> now!'
> > > they
> > > > probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day of
> the
> > > shoot
> > > > anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.
> > >
> > > I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are lot
> of
> > > people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists eager to
> > > convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard meat
> every
> > > bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better
> term). I
> > > personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the
> absense of
> > > meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every restaurant,
> > > function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of meat
> > > product in it.
> >
> > that's a completely different thing, since in that case there isn't
> a damned
> > thing i can eat. in this case, absolutely everyone will be able to
> eat
> > absolutely everything (food allergies aside). and i'll bet that any
> jewish
> > folks on the set will be relieved not to have to navigate for
> > non-kosherness. no one gets left without food, and if the food is
> yummy, no
> > one should be ****ed to miss meat for one or two meals out of a few
> days.
> > if they are, i'd say they're wasting a huge amount of energy on
> something
> > that is in no way a big deal.
>
> Oh, but it is a big deal to them. Trust me, I know a lot of the kind
> of people I'm talking about! :^) They abhor food without meat just as
> much as vegetarians abhor food with meat - with very few exceptions.
> My cousin tells me his mouth begins to water when he sees a live cow,
> for crying out loud! I grew up in that culture. Meat was the central
> focus of every meal, with a starch and vegetable on the side. That's
> what was widely regarded as proper nutrition then. Taking away meat
> leaves only the side starch and vegetable, which is an incompete meal
> to them. Of course, we don't think of being vegetarian in the same
> way. I guess what I'm saying in all of this is that the OP should know
> her "captives" before arbitrarily offering only vegan options. Younger
> and more educated people might not mind as much, but older and less
> educated blue collar types are almost guaranteed to mind it. They will
> be ****ed if there are no meat options, even if the meatless options
> are very good.
>
> I haven't done a very good job expressing myself after rereading this.
> I look back to your statements "that's a completely different thing,
> since in that case there isn't a damned thing i can eat" and "i'd say
> they're wasting a huge amount of energy on something that is in no way
> a big deal". You opt not to eat meat (assuming out of choice and not
> for some medical reason, etc.) and it's a big deal when you are faced
> with only meat options. Many carvivores opt to eat meat and it's a big
> deal to them when they are faced with only meatless options. It is the
> same thing.
>
i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since there
would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be full of
yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling. seems like
a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who would
throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were attending
something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but no one who
would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:21:37 GMT, "katie"
> wrote:

>>
>i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since there
>would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be full of
>yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
>dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling. seems like
>a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who would
>throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were attending
>something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but no one who
>would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!


You are the original poster, I guess. It seems clear you are
planning to spring this menu plan on these people, without
asking them how they feel about it. That in itself is not really
very good.

If I was you, I 'd pay these people for their time. You want
something from them for free, and you want to convert them
at the same time.

Good luck on keeping your production assistants and etc..
You'll do better to be more straightforward with people.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:21:37 GMT, "katie"
> wrote:

>>
>i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since there
>would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be full of
>yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
>dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling. seems like
>a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who would
>throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were attending
>something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but no one who
>would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!


You are the original poster, I guess. It seems clear you are
planning to spring this menu plan on these people, without
asking them how they feel about it. That in itself is not really
very good.

If I was you, I 'd pay these people for their time. You want
something from them for free, and you want to convert them
at the same time.

Good luck on keeping your production assistants and etc..
You'll do better to be more straightforward with people.

"Carly" > wrote in message
om...
> Hello Fellow Vegans,
>
> I need some help. I'm a student filmmaker (Graduate/ Chapman
> University/ Orange, Ca) and a Vegan. I'm going to be going into
> production on a very ambitious Thesis film starting on August 20
> shooting till the 26th. I have a cast and crew of about 35 and I
> really want to keep my set entirely Vegan.
================
A "film" set that's vegan. Is this a troll? What a hoot!




snip rest of entirely idiotic "problem"

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:21:37 GMT, "katie"
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since there
> >would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be full of
> >yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
> >dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling. seems
like
> >a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who would
> >throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were attending
> >something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but no one
who
> >would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!
>
>
> You are the original poster, I guess. It seems clear you are
> planning to spring this menu plan on these people, without
> asking them how they feel about it. That in itself is not really
> very good.
>
> If I was you, I 'd pay these people for their time. You want
> something from them for free, and you want to convert them
> at the same time.
>
> Good luck on keeping your production assistants and etc..
> You'll do better to be more straightforward with people.
=====================
Vegans can't fathom that idea. They have nothing but delusions and lys to
base their religion on.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:21:37 GMT, "katie"
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since
there
> >would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be
full of
> >yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
> >dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling.
seems like
> >a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who
would
> >throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were
attending
> >something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but
no one who
> >would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!
>
>
> You are the original poster, I guess. It seems clear you are
> planning to spring this menu plan on these people, without
> asking them how they feel about it. That in itself is not really
> very good.
>
> If I was you, I 'd pay these people for their time. You want
> something from them for free, and you want to convert them
> at the same time.
>
> Good luck on keeping your production assistants and etc..
> You'll do better to be more straightforward with people.

Katie is not the original poster.

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:21:37 GMT, "katie"
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since
there
> >would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be
full of
> >yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice. so they'd be
> >dissatisfied, but at least their bellies wouldn't be grumbling.
seems like
> >a better deal to me. honestly though, i've never met someone who
would
> >throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were
attending
> >something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but
no one who
> >would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!
>
>
> You are the original poster, I guess. It seems clear you are
> planning to spring this menu plan on these people, without
> asking them how they feel about it. That in itself is not really
> very good.
>
> If I was you, I 'd pay these people for their time. You want
> something from them for free, and you want to convert them
> at the same time.
>
> Good luck on keeping your production assistants and etc..
> You'll do better to be more straightforward with people.

Katie is not the original poster.

"katie" > wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
>
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "katie" > wrote in message
> > rs.com...
> > >
> > > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "katie" > wrote in message
> > > > ogers.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oh, my. These people are giving you their free time to
help
> > you
> > > > > > make your movie, and you're going to reward them by trying
to
> > > > > > change the way they eat???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have these people said they'd like to eat only vegan food
that
> > you
> > > > > > provide for them on the set? If not, I don't recommend
doing
> > > > this.
> > > > > > They probably would not ever help you again, and I'd be
> > concerned
> > > > > > about them coming back for the second day, frankly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > eating tasty food that happens to be free from animal
products
> > isn't
> > > > going
> > > > > to kill or offend anyone for one or two meals/snacks per day
> > > > (especially
> > > > > since omni's eat a lot of 'vegan' food in their normal
> > lives...it's
> > > > not some
> > > > > freakish food form...'oh my god, a carrot! nooooo!) it
doesn't
> > > > 'change the
> > > > > way people eat', this gal probably just isn't comfortable
being
> > a
> > > > bringer of
> > > > > animal products for folks, and it certainly wouldn't hurt
for
> > people
> > > > to know
> > > > > that vegan food isn't all carrot sticks and
sickeningly-prepared
> > > > lumps of
> > > > > tofu. at worst, they get the idea that vegan food can be
tasty.
> > > > eating
> > > > > yummy animal-free foods and finding out at the end that they
> > were
> > > > vegan
> > > > > isn't going to make anyone go 'wow, i'm going to be a vegan
> > now!'
> > > > they
> > > > > probably go eat meat n' cheese dripping foods after each day
of
> > the
> > > > shoot
> > > > > anyhow. i seriously don't see the big deal.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know. You well know from this newsgroup that there are
lot
> > of
> > > > people who regard vegans as a bunch of raving evangelists
eager to
> > > > convert them away from meat. Many carnivores seem to regard
meat
> > every
> > > > bit as seriously as vegans do anti-meat (for lack of a better
> > term). I
> > > > personally know a lot of people who would be angered by the
> > absense of
> > > > meat. Think about how you feel when, at nearly every
restaurant,
> > > > function, event, etc., all of the food items has some kind of
meat
> > > > product in it.
> > >
> > > that's a completely different thing, since in that case there
isn't
> > a damned
> > > thing i can eat. in this case, absolutely everyone will be able
to
> > eat
> > > absolutely everything (food allergies aside). and i'll bet that
any
> > jewish
> > > folks on the set will be relieved not to have to navigate for
> > > non-kosherness. no one gets left without food, and if the food
is
> > yummy, no
> > > one should be ****ed to miss meat for one or two meals out of a
few
> > days.
> > > if they are, i'd say they're wasting a huge amount of energy on
> > something
> > > that is in no way a big deal.
> >
> > Oh, but it is a big deal to them. Trust me, I know a lot of the
kind
> > of people I'm talking about! :^) They abhor food without meat just
as
> > much as vegetarians abhor food with meat - with very few
exceptions.
> > My cousin tells me his mouth begins to water when he sees a live
cow,
> > for crying out loud! I grew up in that culture. Meat was the
central
> > focus of every meal, with a starch and vegetable on the side.
That's
> > what was widely regarded as proper nutrition then. Taking away
meat
> > leaves only the side starch and vegetable, which is an incompete
meal
> > to them. Of course, we don't think of being vegetarian in the same
> > way. I guess what I'm saying in all of this is that the OP should
know
> > her "captives" before arbitrarily offering only vegan options.
Younger
> > and more educated people might not mind as much, but older and
less
> > educated blue collar types are almost guaranteed to mind it. They
will
> > be ****ed if there are no meat options, even if the meatless
options
> > are very good.
> >
> > I haven't done a very good job expressing myself after rereading
this.
> > I look back to your statements "that's a completely different
thing,
> > since in that case there isn't a damned thing i can eat" and "i'd
say
> > they're wasting a huge amount of energy on something that is in no
way
> > a big deal". You opt not to eat meat (assuming out of choice and
not
> > for some medical reason, etc.) and it's a big deal when you are
faced
> > with only meat options. Many carvivores opt to eat meat and it's a
big
> > deal to them when they are faced with only meatless options. It is
the
> > same thing.
> >
> i guess the difference is that in my case, i would be hungry since
there
> would be absolutely NOTHING that i could eat. and they would be
full of
> yummy food that wasn't quite their food of choice.

Ah, but you choose to be vegetarian just as they choose to be
carnivores. You DO have a choice just as they have a choice. It is the
same thing - this is my point.

> honestly though, i've never met someone who would
> throw a fit if they had to miss meat for a meal where they were
attending
> something somewhere. some who would bitch about it a little, but no
one who
> would actually be ****ed. thank goodness for that eh!

Well, most people would be polite in social circumstances. When I am
invited somewhere where there is mostly meat foods, I can usually
munch on carrot or celery sticks, olives, bread, etc. and I don't
complain about the lack of choices. I'm used to that - and probably so
are you. Think about your typical dyed-in-the-wool carnivore being
told that his/her only food option was vegan! And not just for an
evening - we're talking about for the duration of the OP's project. If
it were me I would sneak out for food of my choice, all the while
quietly thinking how insensitive and uncompromising the host was.

When you ask people for help, as the OP is, you do whatever you can to
accommodate them instead of obligating them to your personal choices.
Never impose your personal choices or beliefs on other people.

> Well, most people would be polite in social circumstances. When I am
> invited somewhere where there is mostly meat foods, I can usually
> munch on carrot or celery sticks, olives, bread, etc. and I don't
> complain about the lack of choices. I'm used to that - and probably so
> are you. Think about your typical dyed-in-the-wool carnivore being
> told that his/her only food option was vegan! And not just for an
> evening - we're talking about for the duration of the OP's project. If
> it were me I would sneak out for food of my choice, all the while
> quietly thinking how insensitive and uncompromising the host was.
>
> When you ask people for help, as the OP is, you do whatever you can to
> accommodate them instead of obligating them to your personal choices.
> Never impose your personal choices or beliefs on other people.
>

I agree with that, but what I would do if I was the OP is to have a buffet
with some meat dishes and lots of vegan dishes - nice, tasty ones - possibly
even vege burgers, etc. Don't tell people till afterwards then ask what they
thought of the vegan part of the food - they'll probably be pleasantly
surprised.

We did that at a part once - told the vegetarian in advance that the sausage
rolls and burgers were vege ones - everyone else ate them happily (along
with their 'normal' meat dishes) and were amazed when we told them later -
they thought the vege stuff had tasted great.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:00:45 -0400, "C. James Strutz"
> wrote:

>Katie is not the original poster.


my mistake. The way she phrased her response caused me
to think she was. My apologies.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:33:34 +0100, "Fiona"
> wrote:

>
>I agree with that, but what I would do if I was the OP is to have a buffet
>with some meat dishes and lots of vegan dishes - nice, tasty ones - possibly
>even vege burgers, etc. Don't tell people till afterwards then ask what they
>thought of the vegan part of the food - they'll probably be pleasantly
>surprised.
>
>We did that at a part once - told the vegetarian in advance that the sausage
>rolls and burgers were vege ones - everyone else ate them happily (along
>with their 'normal' meat dishes) and were amazed when we told them later -
>they thought the vege stuff had tasted great.
>


The thing is, students don't have a lot of money for food, and neither
do most really independent films. They tend to stick to the cheapest
food possible (american cheese sandwiches) , or avoid having to feed
people altogether. If they have to rent a hotel room in a different
location, they cram the bodies in.

So this vision of a lovely repast may not be realistsic, and if this
woman manages to get somebody to do the footwork *for her*
to get donated food from restaurants, I'll be so impressed with
her sales abiliity I just won't be able to see straight, especially
considering she's in orange county, next to los angeles, where
everybody is inured to people trying to get free help for their
film! If her sales ability is that good, she should just go into
marketing.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:10:29 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:

>=====================
>Vegans can't fathom that idea. They have nothing but delusions and lys to
>base their religion on.


to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:10:29 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:

>=====================
>Vegans can't fathom that idea. They have nothing but delusions and lys to
>base their religion on.


to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.

"Fiona" > wrote in message
...
> > Well, most people would be polite in social circumstances. When I
am
> > invited somewhere where there is mostly meat foods, I can usually
> > munch on carrot or celery sticks, olives, bread, etc. and I don't
> > complain about the lack of choices. I'm used to that - and
probably so
> > are you. Think about your typical dyed-in-the-wool carnivore being
> > told that his/her only food option was vegan! And not just for an
> > evening - we're talking about for the duration of the OP's
project. If
> > it were me I would sneak out for food of my choice, all the while
> > quietly thinking how insensitive and uncompromising the host was.
> >
> > When you ask people for help, as the OP is, you do whatever you
can to
> > accommodate them instead of obligating them to your personal
choices.
> > Never impose your personal choices or beliefs on other people.
> >
>
> I agree with that, but what I would do if I was the OP is to have a
buffet
> with some meat dishes and lots of vegan dishes - nice, tasty ones -
possibly
> even vege burgers, etc. Don't tell people till afterwards then ask
what they
> thought of the vegan part of the food - they'll probably be
pleasantly
> surprised.

That's fair. As long as there are options for the meat eating folks.

> We did that at a part once - told the vegetarian in advance that the
sausage
> rolls and burgers were vege ones - everyone else ate them happily
(along
> with their 'normal' meat dishes) and were amazed when we told them
later -
> they thought the vege stuff had tasted great.

That would be an interesting experiment. I confess that, in my efforts
to get my dad to eat more healthily, I disguise some of his food with
more healthful alternatives. Like when we get together for picnics, I
offer to make potato salad in the same style that my mom used to make.
I carefully duplicated the dressing using tofu, and even go as far as
to cut up bits of firm tofu to mimic hard boiled eggs. He never
notices the difference. Curiously, he probably wouldn't eat the potato
salad if he knew it had tofu in it even though he likes it. Sigh...

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:10:29 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:
>
> >=====================
> >Vegans can't fathom that idea. They have nothing but delusions and lys
to
> >base their religion on.
>
>
> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
===============
Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every one is
filled with delusions and idiocy.


>
>

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:35:51 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:

>>
>> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
>===============
>Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every one is
>filled with delusions and idiocy.


try to meet some vegans in person, then decide.

"Fiona" > wrote in message
...
> > Well, most people would be polite in social circumstances. When I am
> > invited somewhere where there is mostly meat foods, I can usually
> > munch on carrot or celery sticks, olives, bread, etc. and I don't
> > complain about the lack of choices. I'm used to that - and probably so
> > are you. Think about your typical dyed-in-the-wool carnivore being
> > told that his/her only food option was vegan! And not just for an
> > evening - we're talking about for the duration of the OP's project. If
> > it were me I would sneak out for food of my choice, all the while
> > quietly thinking how insensitive and uncompromising the host was.
> >
> > When you ask people for help, as the OP is, you do whatever you can to
> > accommodate them instead of obligating them to your personal choices.
> > Never impose your personal choices or beliefs on other people.
> >
>
> I agree with that, but what I would do if I was the OP is to have a buffet
> with some meat dishes and lots of vegan dishes - nice, tasty ones -
possibly
> even vege burgers, etc. Don't tell people till afterwards then ask what
they
> thought of the vegan part of the food - they'll probably be pleasantly
> surprised.
>
> We did that at a part once - told the vegetarian in advance that the
sausage
> rolls and burgers were vege ones - everyone else ate them happily (along
> with their 'normal' meat dishes) and were amazed when we told them later -
> they thought the vege stuff had tasted great.
==================
Why the vegan facination with making something look and taste like a
perfectly good natural product? It can't be because you want to cause no
death and suffering to animals, because the substitutes will lose that
comparison, so it has to fall back to only esthetics, huh? That's the only
explanation that makes any sense. Afterall, we're talking about being vegan
at a film shoot! The fact remains that your diet, anyones diet, has really
a minimal impact on animals overall when compared to the rest of their
lifestyle. Pretending that animals matter to you, and only making your
'statement' with a diet is doing nothing. Especialll when the change is to
follow only the simple rule for simple minds, 'eat no meat.'


>
>

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:35:51 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:
>
> >>
> >> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
> >===============
> >Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every one
is
> >filled with delusions and idiocy.
>
>
> try to meet some vegans in person, then decide.
========================
When I meet some, I will. As of now, as I've stated in posts before, I am
reffering to usenet vegans when I comment here. Afterall, a "real" vegan
wouldn't be here on usenet, now would they?


>
>

"Ron" > wrote in message
om...
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
nk.net>...
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:35:51 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
> > > >===============
> > > >Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every
one
> > is
> > > >filled with delusions and idiocy.
> > >
> > >
> > > try to meet some vegans in person, then decide.
> > ========================
> > When I meet some, I will. As of now, as I've stated in posts before, I
am
> > reffering to usenet vegans when I comment here. Afterall, a "real"
vegan
> > wouldn't be here on usenet, now would they?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> And just *why* is a nipplehead like yourself on afv?
===============
Your education. You need it bad. If I were you I'd request a refund from
whatever school you attended.



>
>
> .

"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> "Ron" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> nk.net>...
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:35:51 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
> > > > >===============
> > > > >Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every
> one
> is
> > > > >filled with delusions and idiocy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > try to meet some vegans in person, then decide.
> > > ========================
> > > When I meet some, I will. As of now, as I've stated in posts before, I
> am
> > > reffering to usenet vegans when I comment here. Afterall, a "real"
> vegan
> > > wouldn't be here on usenet, now would they?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And just *why* is a nipplehead like yourself on afv?
> ===============
> Your education. You need it bad. If I were you I'd request a refund from
> whatever school you attended.
>
>





Etter the Great Educator?


Why does that make me laugh?



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> >
> >
> > .

"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> "Ron" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> nk.net>...
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:35:51 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
> > > > >===============
> > > > >Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every
> one
> is
> > > > >filled with delusions and idiocy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > try to meet some vegans in person, then decide.
> > > ========================
> > > When I meet some, I will. As of now, as I've stated in posts before, I
> am
> > > reffering to usenet vegans when I comment here. Afterall, a "real"
> vegan
> > > wouldn't be here on usenet, now would they?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And just *why* is a nipplehead like yourself on afv?
> ===============
> Your education. You need it bad. If I were you I'd request a refund from
> whatever school you attended.
>
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Etter the Great Educator?


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"rick etter" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> "Ron" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> nk.net>...
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:35:51 GMT, "rick etter" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> to apply that to all vegans is categorical thinking.
> > > > >===============
> > > > >Not when it does apply to every vegan I've met here on usenet. Every
> one
> is
> > > > >filled with delusions and idiocy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > try to meet some vegans in person, then decide.
> > > ========================
> > > When I meet some, I will. As of now, as I've stated in posts before, I
> am
> > > reffering to usenet vegans when I comment here. Afterall, a "real"
> vegan
> > > wouldn't be here on usenet, now would they?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And just *why* is a nipplehead like yourself on afv?
> ===============
> Your education. You need it bad. If I were you I'd request a refund from
> whatever school you attended.
>
>





Etter the Great Educator?


Why does that make me laugh?



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