On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:09:27 GMT, "Karl Hungus" > wrote:

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>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:58:52 GMT, "Karl Hungus" >
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>> There are probably traces of rodent shit and **** that came in with
>the
>> grain.
>
>While that's all well and good, it did not necessitate the death of a single
>animal.
>
>> And if it makes you feel any better, animals surely died in the crop
>> fields so you contributed to some of the same types of wildlife deaths
>that
>> veg*ns do.
>
>Okay, that's good too, but I'm looking for animals that died DURING the
>process of making my beer. And not just aphids and caterpillars, either;
>I'm looking for cute baby mice and adorable fuzzy bunnies. Even the
>cheapest, skunkiest beer tastes so much more refreshing when you know some
>cute, sweet, innocent little animal gave its all to make it happen.

What makes you think cute fuzzy animals don't die in grain production?

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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:09:27 GMT, "Karl Hungus" >
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> >Okay, that's good too, but I'm looking for animals that died DURING the
> >process of making my beer. And not just aphids and caterpillars, either;
> >I'm looking for cute baby mice and adorable fuzzy bunnies. Even the
> >cheapest, skunkiest beer tastes so much more refreshing when you know
some
> >cute, sweet, innocent little animal gave its all to make it happen.
>
> What makes you think cute fuzzy animals don't die in grain production?


Example?

"Karl Hungus" > wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 04:09:27 GMT, "Karl Hungus" >
> wrote:
>
> > >Okay, that's good too, but I'm looking for animals that died DURING the
> > >process of making my beer. And not just aphids and caterpillars,
either;
> > >I'm looking for cute baby mice and adorable fuzzy bunnies. Even the
> > >cheapest, skunkiest beer tastes so much more refreshing when you know
> some
> > >cute, sweet, innocent little animal gave its all to make it happen.
> >
> > What makes you think cute fuzzy animals don't die in grain
production?
>
>
> Example?
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Cool. Another one that doesn't think animals die in farm fields?









Here are some sites, with info on specific areas and
pesticides. Animals die.
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html


http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.htm


http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm


Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/


To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html





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"rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > > What makes you think cute fuzzy animals don't die in grain
> production?
> >
> >
> > Example?
> ========================
> Cool. Another one that doesn't think animals die in farm fields?


That would be a travesty indeed for an animal to die in a farm field!

Why, I say every animal deserves to make it to the slaughterhouse!

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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > > > What makes you think cute fuzzy animals don't die in grain
> > production?
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> > >
> > > Example?
> > ========================
> > Cool. Another one that doesn't think animals die in farm fields?
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>
> That would be a travesty indeed for an animal to die in a farm field!
>
> Why, I say every animal deserves to make it to the slaughterhouse!
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Such witty remarks. Why is it you can't discuss the issue at hand though?
Too afraid to?

Now, go have that nice blood drenched breakfast, killer.


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"rick etter" > wrote in message
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> Such witty remarks. Why is it you can't discuss the issue at hand though?
> Too afraid to?
>
> Now, go have that nice blood drenched breakfast, killer.


"Blood-drenched" should be hyphenated . . .

Actually, I had a bagel for breakfast. To you, that probably makes me a
Zionist pig.

"Karl Hungus" > wrote in message
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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > Such witty remarks. Why is it you can't discuss the issue at hand
though?
> > Too afraid to?
> >
> > Now, go have that nice blood drenched breakfast, killer.
>
>
> "Blood-drenched" should be hyphenated . . .
>
> Actually, I had a bagel for breakfast. To you, that probably makes me a
> Zionist pig.
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Ah, yet another strawman instead of discussing the issue. Wonder why that
is. Oh, yeah, you have nothing to add, that's right.


Your bagel does not come without some blood letting, so enjoy, killer..

"rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > Actually, I had a bagel for breakfast. To you, that probably makes me a
> > Zionist pig.
> ====================
> Ah, yet another strawman instead of discussing the issue. Wonder why that
> is. Oh, yeah, you have nothing to add, that's right.

More like this thread has yet to delve into anything substantive, so why not
have some fun rattling the lunatics' cages? You know, **** around with
their bullshit Gaia hysteria a little bit.

Oh, and in case you're a little slow on the uptake, as would seem the case,
you're one of the lunatics.

> Your bagel does not come without some blood letting, so enjoy, killer..

Does the fact that it was slathered with butter mitigate the slaughter?

Oh, and by the way, "bloodletting" is one word . . .

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G17, Mossberg 590, Ruger Mk. II, S&W 686 (4")

"Karl Hungus" > wrote in message
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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Actually, I had a bagel for breakfast. To you, that probably makes me
a
> > > Zionist pig.
> > ====================
> > Ah, yet another strawman instead of discussing the issue. Wonder why
that
> > is. Oh, yeah, you have nothing to add, that's right.
>
> More like this thread has yet to delve into anything substantive, so why
not
> have some fun rattling the lunatics' cages? You know, **** around with
> their bullshit Gaia hysteria a little bit.
>
> Oh, and in case you're a little slow on the uptake, as would seem the
case,
> you're one of the lunatics.
>
> > Your bagel does not come without some blood letting, so enjoy, killer..
>
> Does the fact that it was slathered with butter mitigate the slaughter?
>
> Oh, and by the way, "bloodletting" is one word . . .
>
> --
> G17, Mossberg 590, Ruger Mk. II, S&W 686 (4")
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Glad to see you've found a purpose in life. I'll sned all further posts to
you for proofreading from now on, since you have nothing to offer except
on-line spell checking, fool.