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Benfez 28-01-2004 06:01 PM

Tell me about rice
 
I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of rice
production.



Jonathan Ball 28-01-2004 06:15 PM

Tell me about rice
 
Benfez wrote:

> I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of rice
> production.


"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
production"

http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh


Benfez 28-01-2004 06:35 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Benfez wrote:
>
> > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of rice
> > production.

>
> "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> production"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh


Thanks Jonathan.
>




ipse dixit 28-01-2004 06:37 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> Benfez wrote:
>
> > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of rice
> > production.

>
> "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> production"
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
>

Take note that the author of that page begins by
writing,

"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
(small) deaths until i looked."

but then, later, he writes,

"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
good grain should."

He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
intermittent sight problem of course.



Benfez 28-01-2004 06:54 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message

k.net...
> > Benfez wrote:
> >
> > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of

rice
> > > production.

> >
> > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> > production"
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> >

> Take note that the author of that page begins by
> writing,
>
> "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> (small) deaths until i looked."
>
> but then, later, he writes,
>
> "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
> is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
> the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
> across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
> good grain should."
>
> He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
> intermittent sight problem of course.
>
>

Do you dispute the basis of the article?



ipse dixit 28-01-2004 06:55 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Benfez" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> k.net...
> > Benfez wrote:
> >
> > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of rice
> > > production.

> >
> > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> > production"
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh

>
> Thanks Jonathan.


There is an "article" circulating on the Internet that describes how
thousands of frogs and other animals are killed in the mechanized
harvesting of grain crops. This "collateral animal deaths" story is an
elaborate hoax. The author, a "Texas organic rice farmer" is a gifted
writer, but he should use his talents elsewhere.

The author's numbers describe a plague of frogs of biblical
proportions. However, it is questionable if he has even been on a rice
farm. The major point that our author has missed is that rice fields
are harvested dry. The irrigation water is drained, and the ground is
left to dry before the harvesters go out in the field (otherwise, they'd
sink in the mud). There just aren't that many amphibians in the field.

Regrettably, there probably are some small animal deaths. However, the
number of deaths in a mile of rice harvesting pales in comparison to the
road kill on a mile of highway. Harvesters move slowly, and they are
not the high speed machines described in this article.

At Lundberg Family Farms, we care deeply for the animals that we share
our fields with. For example, every spring before field work begins, we
search the fields for nests, rescuing eggs for a local incubation
centers (mature pairs re-nest when the nests are disturbed like this).
After hatching, the fledglings are raised and released back into the
wild. Last year, we rescued over 3,000 duck eggs. After harvest, we
flood our fields to provide habitat for winter migratory birds and
waterfowl. They eat the rice that is left in the fields and contribute
fertilizer for next spring. There are autumn days when the sky is
blackened by canadian geese (and the sound is beautiful)! We see ducks,
geese, cranes, rails, pheasants, egrets, herons, swans, and even bald
eagles resting in our fields.

We are committed to sustainable and organic farming techniques. We see
our farming operation as a "partnership with nature," and would not
continue if rice harvesting resulted in the "death toll" that this hoax
suggests.

--> Kent Lundberg.

Kent Lundberg
Lundberg Family Farms
http://www.lundberg.com

>
>




ipse dixit 28-01-2004 06:57 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Benfez" > wrote in message ...
> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> > > Benfez wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of
> > > > rice production.
> > >
> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> > > production"
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> > >

> > Take note that the author of that page begins by
> > writing,
> >
> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >
> > but then, later, he writes,
> >
> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
> > is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
> > the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
> > across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
> > good grain should."
> >
> > He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
> > intermittent sight problem of course.
> >

> Do you dispute the basis of the article?
>

Yes, I do.

There is an "article" circulating on the Internet that describes how
thousands of frogs and other animals are killed in the mechanized
harvesting of grain crops. This "collateral animal deaths" story is an
elaborate hoax. The author, a "Texas organic rice farmer" is a gifted
writer, but he should use his talents elsewhere.

The author's numbers describe a plague of frogs of biblical
proportions. However, it is questionable if he has even been on a rice
farm. The major point that our author has missed is that rice fields
are harvested dry. The irrigation water is drained, and the ground is
left to dry before the harvesters go out in the field (otherwise, they'd
sink in the mud). There just aren't that many amphibians in the field.

Regrettably, there probably are some small animal deaths. However, the
number of deaths in a mile of rice harvesting pales in comparison to the
road kill on a mile of highway. Harvesters move slowly, and they are
not the high speed machines described in this article.

At Lundberg Family Farms, we care deeply for the animals that we share
our fields with. For example, every spring before field work begins, we
search the fields for nests, rescuing eggs for a local incubation
centers (mature pairs re-nest when the nests are disturbed like this).
After hatching, the fledglings are raised and released back into the
wild. Last year, we rescued over 3,000 duck eggs. After harvest, we
flood our fields to provide habitat for winter migratory birds and
waterfowl. They eat the rice that is left in the fields and contribute
fertilizer for next spring. There are autumn days when the sky is
blackened by canadian geese (and the sound is beautiful)! We see ducks,
geese, cranes, rails, pheasants, egrets, herons, swans, and even bald
eagles resting in our fields.

We are committed to sustainable and organic farming techniques. We see
our farming operation as a "partnership with nature," and would not
continue if rice harvesting resulted in the "death toll" that this hoax
suggests.

--> Kent Lundberg.

Kent Lundberg
Lundberg Family Farms
http://www.lundberg.com



Zakhar 28-01-2004 07:07 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Benfez" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> k.net...
> > Benfez wrote:
> >
> > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of

rice
> > > production.

> >
> > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> > production"
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh

>
> Thanks Jonathan.


Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.


> >

>
>




Zakhar 28-01-2004 07:16 PM

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"Zakhar" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Benfez" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> > > Benfez wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of

> rice
> > > > production.
> > >
> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> > > production"
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh

> >
> > Thanks Jonathan.

>
> Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
> used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.


More info (repost):

Diderot specialises in hunting books, and has posted on hunting newsgroups.
He has a poorly hidden agenda.

This FAQ was compiled by Sikes, Robert A. (Bob) of

__________________________________________________ __

Diderot Books
2-1/2 North Washington El Campo, Texas, USA 77437
+1.409.543.2824; 409.543.3371 fax;
__________________________________________________ __

Big Game Hunting & African Exploration books.

Bob Sikes was, and may be still is, a bookshop owner or worker and gun
slinger from Texas.
__________________________________________________ __

The FAQ does not say he is a "hands on rice farmer". He states "i am still
engaged in agribusiness, and we have organic as well as conventional
production farms, conventional & organic 'truck farms' and ranching
operations" - I suggest that this means he shoots or may work on a farm
(driving tractors), and they have farms in his area.

He states that "43,264+ square feet" and "i would guess that the 35,000
amphibian deaths represents less than 10-15% of the total population" - This
would require an amphibian population of at least 5.4 amphibians per square
foot!

This is a photo of an organic rice harvest in Bob Sikes, El Campo area:

http://www.lowellfarms.com/image13.htm

Notice the complete lack of the green waterfall!

__________________________________________________ __

When have the comments from a gun sliging Texan bookworm ever been
"evidence" of CD's?

>
>
> > >

> >
> >

>
>




usual suspect 28-01-2004 07:23 PM

Tell me about rice
 
Zakhar wrote:
>>>"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
>>>production"
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh

>>
>>Thanks Jonathan.

>
> Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
> used to drive a tractor.


What's wrong with driving tractors, you hypocritical snob? Do the blokes
who produce your food drive them?

> It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.


According to whom?


Zakhar 28-01-2004 07:44 PM

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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Zakhar wrote:
> >>>"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> >>>production"
> >>>
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> >>
> >>Thanks Jonathan.

> >
> > Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller

that
> > used to drive a tractor.

>
> What's wrong with driving tractors, you hypocritical snob? Do the blokes
> who produce your food drive them?


Who said there was something wrong? The point is he NEVER stated he WAS or
IS a farmer. He ONLY stated he's driven thousands of miles, i.e. a driver,
of tractors and combines.

Like every farmer, I know it takes more to be a farmer than drive tractors.

>
> > It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.

>
> According to whom?


Here's a challenge - Find verifiable FACTS that substantiate this joke.

When does something some bloke wrote on a newsgroup become fact? - When it
suits you?

>




Jonathan Ball 28-01-2004 08:47 PM

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Zakhar wrote:

> "Benfez" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>>
>>>Benfez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
>>>>sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of

>
> rice
>
>>>>production.
>>>
>>>"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
>>>production"
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh

>>
>>Thanks Jonathan.

>
>
> Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
> used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.


Nope. He was a rice farmer. He saw it. The
explanation is plausible, and is corroborated by the
experience of a hands-on rice farmer.


ipse dixit 28-01-2004 08:51 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> Zakhar wrote:
>
> > Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
> > used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.

>
> Nope. He was a rice farmer. He saw it.


Take note that the author of that page begins by
writing,

"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
(small) deaths until i looked."

but then, later, he writes,

"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
good grain should."

He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
intermittent sight problem of course.



[email protected] 29-01-2004 02:24 AM

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:

>
>"Benfez" > wrote in message ...
>> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
>> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
>> > > Benfez wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
>> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of
>> > > > rice production.
>> > >
>> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
>> > > production"
>> > >
>> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
>> > >
>> > Take note that the author of that page begins by
>> > writing,
>> >
>> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
>> > (small) deaths until i looked."
>> >
>> > but then, later, he writes,
>> >
>> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
>> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
>> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
>> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
>> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
>> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
>> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
>> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
>> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
>> > is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
>> > the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
>> > across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
>> > good grain should."
>> >
>> > He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
>> > intermittent sight problem of course.
>> >

>> Do you dispute the basis of the article?
>>

>Yes, I do.


Diderot may have exagerated somewhat, but there's
no doubt that rice farming kills animals. When the fields
are plowed, and planted, and treated with *icides, and
drained, and harvested, and whatever is left, is left
without the shelter the rice plants provided so becoming
prey for birds and other carnivores. There could be
plenty of frogs left in some fields when it comes harvest
time. A lot of tree frogs could do fine without water for
a while, especially if there was good morning dew and
maybe some rain. The fields are likely to be heavily
rutted, and so could very well provide good puddles
for lots of frogs and whatever else for days or weeks
after the fields are drained.

Jonathan Ball 29-01-2004 04:15 AM

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Zakhar wrote:

> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> k.net...
>
>>Zakhar wrote:
>>
>>


>>>>>"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
>>>>>production"
>>>>>
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Jonathan.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
>>>used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.

>
>>Nope.

>
>
> It's a joke, like you.


Nope.

>
>
>>He was a rice farmer.

>
>
> He never said he was a farmer.


So what? He was a rice farmer.

> He was very careful NOT to say he was.


No he wasn't. You're a moron.

> It's an illusion, read it with OPEN eyes


I did.

>
>
>>He saw it. The explanation is plausible, and is corroborated by the
>>experience of a hands-on rice farmer.

>
>
> So a book seller


Immaterial. Also weird that you'd obsess on it. You
can't read books, can you? You're embarrassed by your
semi-literacy.

> from Texas tells a story that is plausible to you, and
> corroborates his own story, so you believe every single word?


Non sequitur.



ipse dixit 29-01-2004 11:54 AM

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> wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:
> >"Benfez" > wrote in message ...
> >> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> >> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> >> > > Benfez wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> >> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of
> >> > > > rice production.
> >> > >
> >> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> >> > > production"
> >> > >
> >> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> >> > >
> >> > Take note that the author of that page begins by
> >> > writing,
> >> >
> >> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> >> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >> >
> >> > but then, later, he writes,
> >> >
> >> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> >> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> >> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> >> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> >> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> >> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> >> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> >> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> >> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
> >> > is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
> >> > the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
> >> > across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
> >> > good grain should."
> >> >
> >> > He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
> >> > intermittent sight problem of course.
> >> >
> >> Do you dispute the basis of the article?
> >>

> >Yes, I do.

>
> Diderot may have exagerated somewhat


No, he did much more than just exagerate; he lied.
Look again at my post. He starts off by claiming,

"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
(small) deaths until i looked."

but then, later, he writes,

"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."

How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+ animals
per acre being chopped to bits one minute, and then
notice them in the next? He's lying.



ipse dixit 29-01-2004 12:10 PM

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"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> Zakhar wrote:
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> >>Zakhar wrote:

>
> >>>>> "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> >>>>> production"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Jonathan.
> >>>
> >>>Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller that
> >>>used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.

> >
> >>Nope.

> >
> > It's a joke, like you.

>
> Nope.
>

Then explain how he "never saw the (small)
deaths" one minute, but then managed to
count 50000+ of them per acre the next.

He starts off by claiming,

"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
(small) deaths until i looked."

but then, later, he writes,

"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."

His eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
can't be trusted if his eyes are that bad that he's
been missing them all this time, and how did he
manage to count them anyway? How does one go
about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
at the speed of a nor'easter? You don't arf get
taken in easily, meatBall.



rick etter 29-01-2004 04:16 PM

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"ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message

...
> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0000, "ipse dixit" >

wrote:
> > >"Benfez" > wrote in message

...
> > >> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message

...
> > >> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message

k.net...
> > >> > > Benfez wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line

that is
> > >> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to

animals of
> > >> > > > rice production.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> > >> > > production"
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> > >> > >
> > >> > Take note that the author of that page begins by
> > >> > writing,
> > >> >
> > >> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> > >> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> > >> >
> > >> > but then, later, he writes,
> > >> >
> > >> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> > >> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> > >> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> > >> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> > >> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> > >> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> > >> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> > >> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> > >> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
> > >> > is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
> > >> > the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
> > >> > across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
> > >> > good grain should."
> > >> >
> > >> > He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
> > >> > intermittent sight problem of course.
> > >> >
> > >> Do you dispute the basis of the article?
> > >>
> > >Yes, I do.

> >
> > Diderot may have exagerated somewhat

>
> No, he did much more than just exagerate; he lied.
> Look again at my post. He starts off by claiming,
>
> "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> (small) deaths until i looked."
>
> but then, later, he writes,
>
> "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
>
> How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+ animals
> per acre being chopped to bits one minute, and then
> notice them in the next? He's lying.

==================
No, ignorant fool, you are! Either that or english isn't a language you
understand very well.

Look again at what he said, fool. He said he didn't notice them until he
LOOKED, and when he did, he saw the massive number of deaths he was causing,
all for YOUR cheap, convenient veggies, hypocrite.
Kinda like you, you never see anything of the truth that is posted to
usenet. You could if you would ever read for comprehension, but that's not
an option for your 2 remaining brain cells, is it killer?





>
>




ipse dixit 29-01-2004 04:57 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > Diderot may have exagerated somewhat

> >
> > No, he did much more than just exagerate; he lied.
> > Look again at my post. He starts off by claiming,
> >
> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >
> > but then, later, he writes,
> >
> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
> >
> > How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+ animals
> > per acre being chopped to bits one minute, and then
> > notice them in the next? He's lying.

> ==================
> No, ignorant fool, you are!


It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
he's been missing them all this time. Also, how did
he manage to count them anyway? How does one
go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
at the speed of a nor'easter?



Zakhar 29-01-2004 07:05 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Zakhar wrote:
>
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> >
> >>Zakhar wrote:
> >>
> >>

>
> >>>>>"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> >>>>>production"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks Jonathan.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller

that
> >>>used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet

joke.
> >
> >>Nope.

> >
> >
> > It's a joke, like you.

>
> Nope.


Yep, it's JOKE like YOU.

>
> >
> >
> >>He was a rice farmer.

> >
> >
> > He never said he was a farmer.

>
> So what? He was a rice farmer.


Who stated he was a rice farmer? You read what you wanted to read.

>
> > He was very careful NOT to say he was.

>
> No he wasn't. You're a moron.


He sells books, he's not a farmer.

>
> > It's an illusion, read it with OPEN eyes

>
> I did.


Nope.

>
> >
> >
> >>He saw it. The explanation is plausible, and is corroborated by the
> >>experience of a hands-on rice farmer.

> >
> >
> > So a book seller

>
> Immaterial.


It's of interest, as you think he's a farmer, even though no one has ever
said he was, and we have evidence that he sells books, as an income.

>Also weird that you'd obsess on it. You
> can't read books, can you? You're embarrassed by your
> semi-literacy.


As you'd write; non sequitur.


>
> > from Texas tells a story that is plausible to you, and
> > corroborates his own story, so you believe every single word?


You fell for the joke ~~jonnie~~ hook line and sinker. You're a ****ing fool
and / or a liar.




Zakhar 29-01-2004 07:07 PM

Tell me about rice
 

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:
>

snip

> >>

> >Yes, I do.

>
> Diderot may have exagerated somewhat,


Understatement of the century.



Zakhar 29-01-2004 07:10 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Zakhar" > wrote in message
...
>
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...

snip

>
> Who said there was something wrong? The point is he NEVER stated he WAS or
> IS a farmer. He ONLY stated he's driven thousands of miles, i.e. a driver,
> of tractors and combines.
>
> Like every farmer, I know it takes more to be a farmer than drive

tractors.
>
> >
> > > It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.

> >
> > According to whom?

>
> Here's a challenge - Find verifiable FACTS that substantiate this joke.


Silence is golden, and illustrates my point far more eloquently than
~~jonnies~~ babbling.
..

>
> When does something some bloke wrote on a newsgroup become fact? - When it
> suits you?
>
> >

>
>




usual suspect 29-01-2004 07:47 PM

Tell me about rice
 
Zakhar wrote:
>>Who said there was something wrong? The point is he NEVER stated he WAS or
>>IS a farmer. He ONLY stated he's driven thousands of miles, i.e. a driver,
>>of tractors and combines.
>>
>>Like every farmer, I know it takes more to be a farmer than drive

>
> tractors.
>
>>>>It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.
>>>
>>>According to whom?

>>
>>Here's a challenge - Find verifiable FACTS that substantiate this joke.


Here's a challenge: Find verifiable facts that substantiate your own
claims to the contrary. Do you deny that mechanized crop production is
lethal? Why?

> Silence is golden, and illustrates my point far more eloquently than
> ~~jonnies~~ babbling.


What silence? I'm only getting half the messages off my server. The
other half are expired. I had to read Google to see that you'd responded.


Zakhar 29-01-2004 10:08 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> Zakhar wrote:
> >>Who said there was something wrong? The point is he NEVER stated he WAS

or
> >>IS a farmer. He ONLY stated he's driven thousands of miles, i.e. a

driver,
> >>of tractors and combines.
> >>
> >>Like every farmer, I know it takes more to be a farmer than drive

> >
> > tractors.
> >
> >>>>It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.
> >>>
> >>>According to whom?
> >>
> >>Here's a challenge - Find verifiable FACTS that substantiate this joke.

>
> Here's a challenge: Find verifiable facts that substantiate your own
> claims to the contrary.


I've made no claims to the contrary.

>Do you deny that mechanized crop production is
> lethal?


No.

>Why?


Because things are killed.

>
> > Silence is golden, and illustrates my point far more eloquently than
> > ~~jonnies~~ babbling.

>
> What silence? I'm only getting half the messages off my server. The
> other half are expired. I had to read Google to see that you'd responded.


OK I'll wait some more for you you to supply the verifiable FACTS that
substantiate the joke. - I'll remind you in a couple of days or so, to give
you time to look at Google, etc.

Also you "forgot" to answer this question:

When does something some bloke wrote on a newsgroup become fact? - When
it suits you?

>




rick etter 29-01-2004 11:02 PM

Tell me about rice
 

here, dishonest killer, let me just snip out the whole post and save you the
trouble from now on...



snip



ipse dixit 30-01-2004 03:14 PM

Tell me about rice
 


"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > Diderot may have exagerated somewhat

> >
> > No, he did much more than just exagerate; he lied.
> > Look again at my post. He starts off by claiming,
> >
> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >
> > but then, later, he writes,
> >
> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
> >
> > How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+ animals
> > per acre being chopped to bits one minute, and then
> > notice them in the next? He's lying.

> ==================
> No, ignorant fool, you are!


It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
he's been missing them all this time. Also, how did
he manage to count them anyway? How does one
go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
at the speed of a nor'easter?



rick etter 30-01-2004 05:08 PM

Tell me about rice
 
here, dishonest killer, let me just snip out the whole post and save you the
trouble from now on since you don't respond to with any comprehension
anyway, killer...



snip




Jonathan Ball 30-01-2004 05:17 PM

Tell me about rice
 
Zakhar wrote:

> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> k.net...
>


>>>>>>>"f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
>>>>>>>production"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Jonathan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ignore that article. It was written by a Texan hunter and book seller
>>>>> that


WHO, you stupid illiterate ****. Not "that", WHO.


>>>>>used to drive a tractor. It has no basis in fact. - It's an internet joke.

>
>>>>Nope.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's a joke, like you.

>>
>>Nope.

>
>
> Yep, it's JOKE like YOU.


Nope. No joke. It's the experience of a knowledgable
rice farmer.

>
>
>>>
>>>>He was a rice farmer.
>>>
>>>
>>>He never said he was a farmer.

>>
>>So what? He was a rice farmer.

>
>
> Who stated he was a rice farmer?


He was a rice farmer. He described what he saw while
he was farming rice.

>
>>>He was very careful NOT to say he was.

>>
>>No he wasn't. You're a moron.

>
>
> He sells books, he's not a farmer.


He was a rice farmer.

>
>
>>>It's an illusion, read it with OPEN eyes

>>
>>I did.

>
>
> Nope.


Yep.

>
>
>>>
>>>>He saw it. The explanation is plausible, and is corroborated by the
>>>>experience of a hands-on rice farmer.
>>>
>>>
>>>So a book seller

>>
>>Immaterial.

>
>
> It's of interest,


Immaterial.

>
>
>>Also weird that you'd obsess on it. You
>>can't read books, can you? You're embarrassed by your
>>semi-literacy.

>
>
> As you'd write; non sequitur.


Nope.


ipse dixit 30-01-2004 05:28 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> here, dishonest killer, let me just snip out the whole post


Of course you will. It's to be expected. Diderot
lied about his claims on rice production, and this
can be easily shown by looking at the contradictory
statements he's made. You don't want this to be
shown, so you simply snip the whole post away
so you can continue lying to people here.

He starts off by claiming,

"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
(small) deaths until i looked."

but then, later, he writes,

"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."

How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+
animals per acre being chopped to bits one minute,
and then notice them in the next? He's lying.

It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
he's been missing them all this time. Also, how did
he manage to count them anyway? How does one
go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
at the speed of a nor'easter?




Zakhar 30-01-2004 05:39 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Zakhar wrote:
>
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> >

>


Cut the crap ~~jonnie~~.

There is NO verifiable evidence at all. He's nothing more than a bloke you
met 'down the pub'.

It's a ****ing joke, and every time you say it's true, you look a bigger
dick than you already are.

You've got nothing except a bloke who says he's involved in agribusiness,
that sells books saw a green waterfall, etc.

Where's the EVIDENCE?



rick etter 30-01-2004 06:07 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message

...
> > here, dishonest killer, let me just snip out the whole post

>
> Of course you will. It's to be expected.

======================
ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! This from you, the king of dishonest snipping.
Rememeber, if you can, it was you that snipped out parts of the posts you
couldn't respond to.


Diderot
> lied about his claims on rice production, and this
> can be easily shown by looking at the contradictory
> statements he's made.

==================
Which ones are those? You haven't shown any contratictory statements form
him. Now, statements from *you* are quite another matter.


You don't want this to be
> shown, so you simply snip the whole post away
> so you can continue lying to people here.

===============
No fool, you are the one that started snipping posts when yopu couldn't
reply to what *I* said. So, dishonestly, you have to resort to what your
demented comprehension thinks somebody *else* said. typical of the lying,
dishonest vegans on usenet.


>
> He starts off by claiming,
>
> "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> (small) deaths until i looked."
>
> but then, later, he writes,
>
> "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
>
> How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+
> animals per acre being chopped to bits one minute,
> and then notice them in the next? He's lying.

================
No, ignorant fool, you are! Either that or english isn't a language you
understand very well.

Look again at what he said, fool. He said he didn't notice them until he
LOOKED, and when he did, he saw the massive number of deaths he was causing,
all for YOUR cheap, convenient veggies, hypocrite.
Kinda like you, you never see anything of the truth that is posted to
usenet. You could if you would ever read for comprehension, but that's not
an option for your 2 remaining brain cells, is it killer?




>
> It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
> his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
> can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
> he's been missing them all this time. Also, how did
> he manage to count them anyway? How does one
> go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
> at the speed of a nor'easter?

====================
Try again, killer. You've lost this one too.




>
>
>




ipse dixit 30-01-2004 06:32 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"rick etter" > wrote in message ..
> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > Diderot
> > lied about his claims on rice production, and this
> > can be easily shown by looking at the contradictory
> > statements he's made.

> ==================
> Which ones are those?


Below this line.
> >
> > He starts off by claiming,
> >
> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >
> > but then, later, he writes,
> >
> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
> >
> > How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+
> > animals per acre being chopped to bits one minute,
> > and then notice them in the next? He's lying.

> ================
> No, ignorant fool, you are!


Yes, liar. Look at my comment below this line.
> >
> > It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
> > his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
> > can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
> > he's been missing them all this time. Also, how did
> > he manage to count them anyway? How does one
> > go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
> > at the speed of a nor'easter?

> ====================
> Try again, killer.


I don't need to.



Jonathan Ball 30-01-2004 07:13 PM

Tell me about rice
 
GregGeorge, still ****wittedly using the absurd
pseudonym "Zakhar" wrote:

> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>
>>Zakhar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
link.net...
>>>

>>

>
> Cut the crap ~~jonnie~~.


You cut the crap, GregGeorge. You're spewing crap.
Stop it.

>
> There is NO verifiable evidence at all.


There is. There is diderot's eyewitness testimony, and
there is Steven Davis's research paper.


rick etter 30-01-2004 07:38 PM

Tell me about rice
 



snipped all for you again, since you cannot leave posts intact or annotate
your dishonesty, killer.


have fun jerking yourself around, fool...



[email protected] 31-01-2004 01:51 AM

Tell me about rice
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:54:01 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:

>
> wrote in message ...
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:
>> >"Benfez" > wrote in message ...
>> >> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
>> >> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
>> >> > > Benfez wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
>> >> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of
>> >> > > > rice production.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
>> >> > > production"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
>> >> > >
>> >> > Take note that the author of that page begins by
>> >> > writing,
>> >> >
>> >> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
>> >> > (small) deaths until i looked."
>> >> >
>> >> > but then, later, he writes,
>> >> >
>> >> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
>> >> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
>> >> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
>> >> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
>> >> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
>> >> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
>> >> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
>> >> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
>> >> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
>> >> > is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
>> >> > the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
>> >> > across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
>> >> > good grain should."
>> >> >
>> >> > He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
>> >> > intermittent sight problem of course.
>> >> >
>> >> Do you dispute the basis of the article?
>> >>
>> >Yes, I do.

>>
>> Diderot may have exagerated somewhat

>
>No, he did much more than just exagerate; he lied.
>Look again at my post. He starts off by claiming,
>
>"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
>(small) deaths until i looked."
>
>but then, later, he writes,
>
>"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
>waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
>combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
>drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
>other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
>it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
>sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
>cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
>smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
>
>How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+ animals
>per acre being chopped to bits one minute,


Similar to the way that you don't. You don't care...
he didn't care...most people don't care... Odd that
you couldn't figure that out for yourself.

>and then
>notice them in the next?


He lost you by a ***LONG!!!*** way there dix. He
began to care at least enough to look, and lost you
even farther by beginning to care.

>He's lying.


No. YOU are lying. He may have exagerated, but
there is absolutely no question--no question at all--
that he cares more about human influence on
animals than you do, ever did, or ever will. So
does Rick. So do I. It is disgusting that you pretend
to care when it's so completeley obvious that you
don't and never will.

[email protected] 31-01-2004 01:54 AM

Tell me about rice
 
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:28:49 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:

>It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
>his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
>can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
>he's been missing them all this time.


Then you set everybody straight. How many
animals die in rice production, and how far off
was Diderot's count?

>Also, how did
>he manage to count them anyway? How does one
>go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
>at the speed of a nor'easter?


Let us know that too as you prove Diderot
wrong.

ipse dixit 31-01-2004 10:53 AM

Tell me about rice
 

> wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:28:49 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:
>
> >It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
> >his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
> >can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
> >he's been missing them all this time.

>
> Then you set everybody straight. How many
> animals die in rice production, and how far off
> was Diderot's count?
>

I don't offer a number for them, because to
do so requires me to substantiate that figure
in the same way "diderot" must now substantiate
his. The onus is on him to prove his claim, not
on his opponent to refute it. His claim is mere
anecdotal evidence, and the numbers he gave
are incredible on the basis that such numbers
can't be counted by mere mortals, especially
when you take into account the alleged speed
in which he claims they travelled past him.

Also, as far as being a reliable eye witness goes,
"diderot" admits he never saw them to start with,

"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
(small) deaths until i looked."

But then goes on to claim he *counted* 50000+
per acre, flying by at the speed of a nor'easter.

> >Also, how did
> >he manage to count them anyway? How does one
> >go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
> >at the speed of a nor'easter?

>
> Let us know that too as you prove Diderot
> wrong.


Answer the question put to you; How does one
go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
at the speed of a nor'easter?



ipse dixit 31-01-2004 11:04 AM

Tell me about rice
 

> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:54:01 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:
> > wrote in message ...
> >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:26 -0000, "ipse dixit" > wrote:
> >> >"Benfez" > wrote in message ...
> >> >> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> >> >> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message k.net...
> >> >> > > Benfez wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > I've been curious about the 'how much rice do you eat?' line that is
> >> >> > > > sometimes used. Please enlighten me about the 'cost' to animals of
> >> >> > > > rice production.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "f.a.q. collateral included deaths in organic rice
> >> >> > > production"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://tinyurl.com/ytxlh
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > Take note that the author of that page begins by
> >> >> > writing,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> >> >> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > but then, later, he writes,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> >> >> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> >> >> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> >> >> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> >> >> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> >> >> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> >> >> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> >> >> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> >> >> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed - there
> >> >> > is just too much rice lost by being pressure-formed into
> >> >> > the rather thickish 'arroz con gracielà paté' which travels
> >> >> > across the screens, rather than falling into the hopper as
> >> >> > good grain should."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He's obviously lying somewhere, unless he has an
> >> >> > intermittent sight problem of course.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Do you dispute the basis of the article?
> >> >>
> >> >Yes, I do.
> >>
> >> Diderot may have exagerated somewhat

> >
> >No, he did much more than just exagerate; he lied.
> >Look again at my post. He starts off by claiming,
> >
> >"to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> >(small) deaths until i looked."
> >
> >but then, later, he writes,
> >
> >"- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> >waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> >combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> >drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> >other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> >it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> >sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> >cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> >smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
> >
> >How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+ animals
> >per acre being chopped to bits one minute,

>
> Similar to the way that you don't.


I don't farm, so it's impossible for me to
count them. Diderot claims to be a farmer
and a reliable eye witness, yet he never
noticed them to start with. He either has
very poor eyesight or he's lying. Either way
his anecdotal evidence must be ignored.

> >and then notice them in the next?

>
> He lost you by a ***LONG!!!*** way there dix. He
> began to care at least enough to look, and lost you
> even farther by beginning to care.
>

You haven't answered the question. How
could he never have noticed 50000+ frogs
flying past him per acre one minute, and then
manage to count them the next?

> >He's lying.

>
> No. YOU are lying. He may have exagerated


He did much more than exagerate and his
contradictory quotes prove it. Those quotes
and the impossible task in counting that many
frogs per acre prove that he lied about this
issue.



ipse dixit 31-01-2004 01:52 PM

Tell me about rice
 
<unsnip>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message ..
> "ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > Diderot
> > lied about his claims on rice production, and this
> > can be easily shown by looking at the contradictory
> > statements he's made.

> ==================
> Which ones are those?


Below this line.
> >
> > He starts off by claiming,
> >
> > "to be honest, like every farmer, i never saw the
> > (small) deaths until i looked."
> >
> > but then, later, he writes,
> >
> > "- when cutting the rice, there is a - visual - green
> > waterfall of frogs and anoles moving in front of the
> > combine. sometimes the 'rain' is just a gentle spring
> > drizzle (10,000/ac ?) swimming across the header,
> > other times it is a freshet (+50,000/acre ?); sometimes
> > it is a nor'easter. never is it a drought; never is it a mist.
> > sometimes, the number of frogs swimming across the
> > cutter-bar is so massive, we have to change to a
> > smaller header a/o severely reduce travel speed."
> >
> > How could he "never" have noticed the 50000+
> > animals per acre being chopped to bits one minute,
> > and then notice them in the next? He's lying.

> ================
> No, ignorant fool, you are!


Yes, liar. Look at my comment below this line.
> >
> > It's certain "diderot" lied about the numbers, and
> > his eye-witness account of these deaths certainly
> > can't be trusted either if his eyes are that bad that
> > he's been missing them all this time. Also, how did
> > he manage to count them anyway? How does one
> > go about counting 50000+ shredded frogs travelling
> > at the speed of a nor'easter?

> ====================
> Try again, killer.


I don't need to.



Zakhar 31-01-2004 06:49 PM

Tell me about rice
 

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> GregGeorge, still ****wittedly using the absurd
> pseudonym "Zakhar" wrote:
>
> > "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> > nk.net...
> >
> >>Zakhar wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> link.net...
> >>>
> >>

> >
> > Cut the crap ~~jonnie~~.

>
> You cut the crap, GregGeorge. You're spewing crap.
> Stop it.
>
> >
> > There is NO verifiable evidence at all.

>
> There is. There is diderot's eyewitness testimony,


********; he even states that he's a suited trader.

http://tinyurl.com/ypne5

Also a professional pigeon hunter, book seller and tractor driver. NOT a
FARMER.

Get it, gob shite?





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