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In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
now.

I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
(no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
catchy name for this dietary niche?

I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
(although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
"Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
tastiest menu!

You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
classify myself. At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
explain to the server how I prefer my meal. I mean, it's hard enough
convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know? I wish
I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.

Thanks, gang. I eagerly await your gastronomically nomenclative
expertise...

-EW
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There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.


everwestward wrote:

> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
> now.
>
> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
> catchy name for this dietary niche?
>
> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
> tastiest menu!
>
> You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
> classify myself. At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
> explain to the server how I prefer my meal. I mean, it's hard enough
> convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know? I wish
> I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.
>
> Thanks, gang. I eagerly await your gastronomically nomenclative
> expertise...
>
> -EW


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everwestward wrote:
> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore


Huh?

> to vegetarian to vegan
> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
> now.


Try: stupid.

> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
> catchy name for this dietary niche?


Not really, but there are some psychological terms for it. "Anal
retentive" comes to mind.

> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy),


So do you. Don't let that stop you.

> but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely,


You're not Jainist, you twit.

> but Jainism
> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
> tastiest menu!


Don't count on their food being tasty. Jainists forbid the use of any
red ingredient because it resembles blood. No tomatoes, berries,
watermelon, etc., all because of the shitheaded notion that red equals
blood. They also engage in a variety of anal retentive (there's that
term again) measures to keep from accidentally stepping on bugs. You're
not about to stop moving around at night. You want to be trendy, and
going to bed at dusk isn't trendy.

> You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
> classify myself.


No, most of us wouldn't.

> At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
> explain to the server how I prefer my meal.


You should stop eating out and wasting so much of your and waiters'
time. Is your peculiar and wacky system so special that you feel you
must rob 15 minutes of someone else's life? How does THAT jibe with your
extreme views on animals?

> I mean, it's hard enough
> convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know?


You needn't waste so much time of other people. I suspect you only whine
to the waiters and waitresses to proseltyze.

> I wish
> I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.


They wish they could say one word and make you go away.

> Thanks, gang. I eagerly await your gastronomically nomenclative
> expertise...


FU

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I don't usually top-post but I don't want to get involved with what's below.
I think you have a variant of an eating disorder I call "Ethicsia Nervosa".
The best single word to characterise you would be something like "bore" or
"twit".

You didn't ask for advice, but I'd say take a long look in the mirror and
ask yourself honestly if you would like someone like you for a friend. Then
pull you head out of your ass and try to go back to being a semi-normal
human being, before it's too late.


"everwestward" > wrote in message
m...
> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
> now.
>
> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
> catchy name for this dietary niche?
>
> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
> tastiest menu!
>
> You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
> classify myself. At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
> explain to the server how I prefer my meal. I mean, it's hard enough
> convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know? I wish
> I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.
>
> Thanks, gang. I eagerly await your gastronomically nomenclative
> expertise...
>
> -EW





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Jonathan Ball > wrote in message hlink.net>...
> There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.


My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must be all the dietary impurities.


EW
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usual suspect > wrote in message >...

> FU


My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must be all the dietary impurities.


EW
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everwestward wrote:
>>FU

>
>
> My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility.


I wasn't being hostile, fruitcake.

> Must be all the dietary impurities.


What impurities? My diet is much like yours. The main difference between
us is I don't let myself be defined by it, much less waste my (and
others') time trying to categorize myself. Dutch is right: you're a bore.

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usual suspect > wrote in message >...

> I wasn't being hostile, fruitcake.


Reminds me of the hilarious Kevin Kline line:
"YOU'RE the vulgarian, you ****!"

You guys are hilarious. But seriously now (this'll sound like an
insult, but I mean it in earnest): get more fiber in your diet. It'll
clean you up and make you a sweeter person.
:x

Have a nice life!
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"Dutch" > wrote in message >...

> I don't usually top-post but I don't want to get involved with what's below.
> I think you have a variant of an eating disorder I call "Ethicsia Nervosa".
> The best single word to characterise you would be something like "bore" or
> "twit".


Touche'
I guess I walked into an ambush here! But someone just advised me
that group is frequented by kids just taking a break from your
homework. Fair enough; it beats "mailbox baseball" like they did when
I was young.

Have a nice life!

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"everwestward" > wrote in message
om...
> "Dutch" > wrote in message

>...
>
> > I don't usually top-post but I don't want to get involved with what's

below.
> > I think you have a variant of an eating disorder I call "Ethicsia

Nervosa".
> > The best single word to characterise you would be something like "bore"

or
> > "twit".

>
> Touche'
> I guess I walked into an ambush here! But someone just advised me
> that group is frequented by kids just taking a break from your
> homework. Fair enough; it beats "mailbox baseball" like they did when
> I was young.
>
> Have a nice life!
>


Don't worry about the trolls. They attack everyone. Sometimes they have
good points, but it's hard to get through the attitude.

Re your question, I don't think there are many people who fit strictly into
any category, and placing yourself into one can often cause people to make
assumptions that aren't true. For instance, my diet can most closely be
called vegan, but I am definitely not philosophically a vegan. How many
people do I meet every day even know what a vegan is anyway? Even if you
were just a vegetarian, how many different kinds of those are there? I've
found (not being one that likes to argue every day of my life) is to not say
anything that will make people ask. I just don't bring it up when I'm
around people I don't know. Most people will pay no attention to what
you're doing, and won't notice what you are or are not eating. If you are
the type that likes to talk about it, any diet choice requires explanation
to the average Joe Blow. Those who are intimately familiar with all the
dietary/spiritual paths out there are few and far between. You could always
just make up a classification for yourself that you like since you would
have to explain yourself anyway. I probably shouldn't make that last
suggestion, cause it really opens up the door for the trolls, but you can
just skip their posts : )

allyb


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"Allyb" > wrote in message
...
>
> "everwestward" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Dutch" > wrote in message

> >...
> >
> > > I don't usually top-post but I don't want to get involved with what's

> below.
> > > I think you have a variant of an eating disorder I call "Ethicsia

> Nervosa".
> > > The best single word to characterise you would be something like

"bore"
> or
> > > "twit".

> >
> > Touche'
> > I guess I walked into an ambush here! But someone just advised me
> > that group is frequented by kids just taking a break from your
> > homework. Fair enough; it beats "mailbox baseball" like they did when
> > I was young.
> >
> > Have a nice life!
> >

>
> Don't worry about the trolls.

==================
Troll of course being defined as anybody that post the facts that you, and
he cannot refute....




snippage...




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everwestward wrote:

> Jonathan Ball > wrote in message hlink.net>...
>
>>There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.

>
>
> My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility.


Nope. I have long experience with assholes like you
who see some kind of moral dimension where there
actually is none.



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everwestward wrote:

> usual suspect > wrote in message >...
>
>
>>FU

>
>
> My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must be all the dietary impurities.
>


You need to come up with some new material. The stuff
you're using is stale and moldy.

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"everwestward" > wrote in message
m...
> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
> now.
>
> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
> catchy name for this dietary niche?
>
> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
> tastiest menu!
>

<snip>

This post is not a troll so please accept that it
is truly sincere and from an educated perspective.

The Jains, in their highest level of devotion, will only
consume the water that ground millet is soaked in.
That mixture is strained through a rag because they believe
that even one celled bacteria are live animals and they
want to keep the killing and its negative karma to a minimum.

You cannot bring yourself to a place in life where your
passing does not injure and kill other living things.
That is the cycle of life and has been since the first
bacteria were spawned in the primordial soup.

The Hunting Dances of the ancients were done achieve a
karmic balance when killing and eating other living things.
They were thanking the beasts and holding them in the
same reverence they held for deity. The animals images
permeate the art that the ancients left behind.
They understood the cycle of life and lived each day
as if it was their last knowing the bugs and beasts
will someday eat them too.

For all the good intent you have you will never achieve
the goal you are trying to reach.


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"everwestward" > wrote in message
m...
> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
> now.
>
> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
> catchy name for this dietary niche?
>
> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
> tastiest menu!
>
> You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
> classify myself. At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
> explain to the server how I prefer my meal. I mean, it's hard enough
> convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know? I wish
> I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.
>
> Thanks, gang. I eagerly await your gastronomically nomenclative
> expertise...
>
> -EW


Plants don't care if you eat them. They don't have a brain, they don't even
have neurons.

They interact with their environment to some degree as do all living things
but they don't
have the "consciousness" that animals do.

I think the main ethical concerns about eating plants would be not eating
"wildcrafted" herbs and
eating plants that don't come from environmentally sensitive areas, etc. if
you really care about that.

If you want to avoid so many foods though I think its imperative that you
consult a nutritionist, and ask them
how you can get what you need with what you're willing to eat. They might
also be able to help you be
able to tell if your current diet will lead to a deficiency or not.

-Rubystars


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I'm not sure why you don't eat lettuce. Do you know that you can grow leaf
lettuce (red sails is my favorite), and only harvest the outer leaves and it
won't kill the plant. You can do the same thing with spinach. With spinach you
can give it a serious cutting down and it will come back. You can do this
several times and then let it come back and go to seed.
If you grow your own potato plants, both regular and sweet potatoes, you can
harvest the potatoes without digging up the plant; but maybe you have another
reason for not eating them????
Even if you eat nuts, you are eating what could have been another tree. Anyway,
that's my take on it.
I think that on this planet of duality, everything has to eat something to
survive. It's the way the system is set up. I guess that all we can do it live
as consciously as possible and make our choices based on what resonates to us
on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual level.
The Jains walk around with face masks so they won't kill organisms through the
breath; but they're still killing organisms just by walking on the ground. I
often wonder if that ever enters their minds.
I always wondered why they just didn't do pranayama for hours and hours each
day and become breatharians; but I guess it's difficult to do pranayama if
you're wearing a mask. :-)

Namaste!
June
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:22:02 GMT, Jonathan Ball > wrote:

>everwestward wrote:
>
>> Jonathan Ball > wrote in message hlink.net>...
>>
>>>There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.

>>
>>
>> My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility.

>
>Nope. I have long experience with assholes like you
>who see some kind of moral dimension where there
>actually is none.


Some farm animals benefit from farming. Some don't.


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Rubystars wrote:
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> If you want to avoid so many foods though I think its imperative that you
> consult a nutritionist,


Come on. That dork needs a shrink, not a nutritionist.

> and ask them
> how you can get what you need with what you're willing to eat. They might
> also be able to help you be
> able to tell if your current diet will lead to a deficiency or not.


I can tell the OP that already. So can the servers whose time she wastes
everytime she goes out.

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"everwestward" > wrote in message
m...
> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
> now.
>
> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
> catchy name for this dietary niche?
>
> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
> tastiest menu!
>

<snip>

This post is not a troll so please accept that it
is truly sincere and from an educated perspective.

The Jains, in their highest level of devotion, will only
consume the water that ground millet is soaked in.
That mixture is strained through a rag because they believe
that even one celled bacteria are live animals and they
want to keep the killing and its negative karma to a minimum.

You cannot bring yourself to a place in life where your
passing does not injure and kill other living things.
That is the cycle of life and has been since the first
bacteria were spawned in the primordial soup.

The Hunting Dances of the ancients were done achieve a
karmic balance when killing and eating other living things.
They were thanking the beasts and holding them in the
same reverence they held for deity. The animals images
permeate the art that the ancients left behind.
They understood the cycle of life and lived each day
as if it was their last knowing the bugs and beasts
will someday eat them too.

For all the good intent you have you will never achieve
the goal you are trying to reach.


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On 23 Jan 2004 06:39:08 -0800, (everwestward) wrote:

>In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
>to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
>now.
>
>I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
>anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
>(no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.)


Why not sugar?

>Is there a
>catchy name for this dietary niche?


>I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark


How can you eat fruit and still not eat anything that's alive
or that's a contiguous part of anything that's alive?

>
>(although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
>applicable, since I eat grains and beans.


It would seem grains and beans are alive.

>I've also heard of the
>"Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
>is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
>quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
>tastiest menu!
>
>You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
>classify myself. At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
>explain to the server how I prefer my meal. I mean, it's hard enough
>convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know? I wish
>I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.


· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:
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Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze

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Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid

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contact-lens care products, glues for paper and cardboard
cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC

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Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings

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The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die in it as they do
in any other habitat. They also depend on it for their
lives like the animals in any other habitat. If people
consume animal products from animals they think are
raised in decent ways, they will be promoting life for
more such animals in the future.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
cattle. ·
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:07:52 GMT, "Rubystars" > wrote:

>
>"everwestward" > wrote in message
om...
>> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian to vegan
>> to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word for what I am
>> now.
>>
>> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
>> anything that's alive. Basically, I apply veganism to plants as well
>> (no lettuce, no potatoes, no spices, no sugar, etc.) Is there a
>> catchy name for this dietary niche?
>>
>> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
>> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
>> applicable, since I eat grains and beans. I've also heard of the
>> "Jain" movement which parallels my eating habits closely, but Jainism
>> is more of a spiritual belief than a dietary preference, and I'm not
>> quite ready to accept a new god simply because he/she offers the
>> tastiest menu!
>>
>> You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
>> classify myself. At restaurants I end up wasting 15 minutes trying to
>> explain to the server how I prefer my meal. I mean, it's hard enough
>> convincing some people that beef broth is still beef, y'know? I wish
>> I could just say one word like "vegan" and have everyone understand.
>>
>> Thanks, gang. I eagerly await your gastronomically nomenclative
>> expertise...
>>
>> -EW

>
>Plants don't care if you eat them.


Nor do dead animals.

>They don't have a brain, they don't even
>have neurons.
>
>They interact with their environment to some degree as do all living things


We're not supposed to consider the lives of animals,
so why consider the lives of plants?

>but they don't
>have the "consciousness" that animals do.


Again, nor do dead animals. So feel free to eat them.

>I think the main ethical concerns about eating plants would be not eating
>"wildcrafted" herbs and
>eating plants that don't come from environmentally sensitive areas, etc. if
>you really care about that.


Interesting in a most disgusting way that you "ethical"
eaters never care about your influence on animals, or
mention how many are killed in potatoe production vs.
rice production, etc. You know what it tells us, even
though you still don't believe it.

>If you want to avoid so many foods though I think its imperative that you
>consult a nutritionist, and ask them
>how you can get what you need with what you're willing to eat. They might
>also be able to help you be
>able to tell if your current diet will lead to a deficiency or not.
>
>-Rubystars
>


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Looney June wrote:
<snip>
> I always wondered why they just didn't do pranayama for hours and hours each
> day and become breatharians;


Humans who don't eat tend to starve after a while. Even "breatharians."

> but I guess it's difficult to do pranayama if
> you're wearing a mask. :-)


I meant it when I called you light-headed.

> Namaste!


You're a spiritual fraud.



---
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"everwestward" > wrote
> "Dutch" > wrote
>
> > I don't usually top-post but I don't want to get involved with what's

below.
> > I think you have a variant of an eating disorder I call "Ethicsia

Nervosa".
> > The best single word to characterise you would be something like "bore"

or
> > "twit".

>
> Touche'
> I guess I walked into an ambush here! But someone just advised me
> that group is frequented by kids just taking a break from your
> homework. Fair enough; it beats "mailbox baseball" like they did when
> I was young.


I'm not kidding around, Mr. Wizard said it best, you're way too obsessed
with avoiding killing, it's unhealthy.

> Have a nice life!
>


I am having a very good life, but you will waste a big chuck of yours if you
don't get yourself turned around quickly.


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> wrote
> We're not supposed to consider the lives of animals,
> so why consider the lives of plants?


You can "consider" till the cows come home, you just can't take ethical
credit for the life of a chicken by eating it.


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wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:07:52 GMT, "Rubystars" > wrote:
>
>


>>
>>Plants don't care if you eat them.

>
>
> Nor do dead animals.


Animals *do* care about being killed though.

>
>
>>They don't have a brain, they don't even
>>have neurons.
>>
>>They interact with their environment to some degree as do all living things

>
>
> We're not supposed to consider the lives of animals,


No sensible person "considers" the lives of animals
prior to their being born, ****WIT. You think farm
animals "ought" to live, that there is some moral value
from their "getting to experience life." You are an
idiot: there is no moral value from that.

>>I think the main ethical concerns about eating plants would be not eating
>>"wildcrafted" herbs and
>>eating plants that don't come from environmentally sensitive areas, etc. if
>>you really care about that.

>
>
> Interesting in a most disgusting way that you "ethical"
> eaters never care about your influence on animals, or
> mention how many are killed in potatoe


Oh, it's ****WIT Quayle now, is it? "Potato", you
****ING moron, not "potatoe".

http://weebl.fluent.ltd.uk/toons/17/

> production vs.
> rice production, etc. You know what it tells us, even
> though you still don't believe it.


You don't care about your "influence" on animals,
****WIT, except to cause some of them to live,
REGARDLESS of the quality of life.

You stupid, ****witted liar.



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"everwestward" > wrote in message
m...
> In my life I've gone from bloodfaced carnivore to vegetarian
> to vegan to what I am now. I'm trying to figure out the word
> for what I am now.
> Is there a catchy name for this dietary niche?

Forget the lables, and just do what you do.
As there are no meaningful and widely-accepted definitions for the major
dietary classifications: vegetarian, vegan, omnivore, ... attempting to
imply finer dietry resolution from labels will be a waste of effort.

> I don't eat anything that's alive or that's a contiguous part of
> anything that's alive.

Scavenger? You'd have to come up with a viable definition of what's
"alive" and what is not. This is not a trivial exercise.

> I've heard the term "fruitarian" which is pretty close to the mark
> (although it does sound a little wimpy), but it's still not entirely
> applicable, since I eat grains and beans.

Grains, nuts, seeds, and beans are fruits, in the botanical sense.
"A fruit is a matured ovary.
Once the pollen has fertilized the egg cell contained within the ovule, the
ovule develops into a seed, and the ovary of the enclosing carpel begins to
enlarge and ripen, forming the fruit. This is the botanical definition of a
fruit, and is not the same as the popular usage of "fruit". For example, a
botanist considers acorns, tomatoes, green beans, and coconuts to be fruits.
The individual grains of wheat and rice are also fruits by this definition.
By contrast, strawberries are NOT fruits; the individual hard bits on the
outside of the strawberry are the matured ovaries, and are properly
considered fruits, while the fleshy red portion is actually stem tissue
stimulated to growth by the maturing fruits."
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/anthoph...hophytamm.html

The problem with not eating things "alive" is that one has difficulty
establishing what "alive" means. I.e., are grains, nuts, seeds, beans,
legumes, ... "alive", since they can sprout and produce a live plant? If
they're dead, they could not produce a living plant. Are they in "suspended
animation"?

> You'd never believe how tough it is living with this inability to
> classify myself.

"Classifying" yourself with obscure, idiosyncratic argot won't help,
either.

Laurie


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"everwestward" > wrote in message
om...
> Jonathan Ball > wrote in message

hlink.net>...
> > There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.

> My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must be all the dietary

impurities.
Oh, you don't know about Jon-a-thug noBalls?
He is arguably the most intentionally-obnoxious of all the hostile,
meatarian trolls who haunt the veg*n ng's, hoping to suck innocent newbies
into meaningless dialog and then blast them with lies, personal insults,
vulgarity, and verbally-violent assaults. Killfile him and the rest of his
ilk.

Laurie


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> wrote in message
...

> We're not supposed to consider the lives of animals,
> so why consider the lives of plants?

Why not consider the biological equipment and digestive biochemistry
instead of arbitrary and meaningless "ethical" nonsense?
One reason is that you, dh, and the rest of the meatarian propagandists
simply do not have the ability to do so. That would require some grasp of
science and logic which you do not possess, nor do you have any interest in
developing.

Laurie



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"Laurie" > wrote in message ...
> "everwestward" > wrote in message om...
> > Jonathan Ball > wrote in message hlink.net>...
> > >
> > > There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.
> > >

> > My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must
> > be all the dietary impurities.
> >

> Oh, you don't know about Jon-a-thug noBalls?
> He is arguably the most intentionally-obnoxious of all the
> hostile, meatarian trolls who haunt the veg*n ng's, hoping to
> suck innocent newbies into meaningless dialog and then blast
> them with lies, personal insults, vulgarity, and verbally-violent
> assaults. Killfile him and the rest of his ilk.
>
> Laurie
>

They don't come much better than that, Pearl.


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Laurie wrote:

> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>> We're not supposed to consider the lives of animals,
>>so why consider the lives of plants?

>
> Why not consider the biological equipment and digestive biochemistry
> instead of arbitrary and meaningless "ethical" nonsense?
> One reason is that you, dh, and the rest of the meatarian propagandists
> simply do not have the ability to do so. That would require some grasp of
> science and logic which you do not possess, nor do you have any interest in
> developing.


You are the one with no grasp of science or logic,
Larry, nor any interest in developing any.

Support your claim, for example, that the idea of
complementary proteins is a "myth". Support it with
peer reviewed reasearch, please.

I'll wait.



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"ipse dixit" > wrote in message >...
> "Laurie" > wrote in message ...
> > "everwestward" > wrote in message om...
> > > Jonathan Ball > wrote in message hlink.net>...
> > > >
> > > > There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.
> > > >
> > > My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must
> > > be all the dietary impurities.
> > >

> > Oh, you don't know about Jon-a-thug noBalls?
> > He is arguably the most intentionally-obnoxious of all the
> > hostile, meatarian trolls who haunt the veg*n ng's, hoping to
> > suck innocent newbies into meaningless dialog and then blast
> > them with lies, personal insults, vulgarity, and verbally-violent
> > assaults. Killfile him and the rest of his ilk.
> >
> > Laurie
> >

> They don't come much better than that, Pearl.


Except for the fact that Larry has shown no evidence of meaningless
dialogue or lies and, being a vegan hypocrite, shows his own penchant
for using insults with the use of the silly non-word "meatarian".

Kevin
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"ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
> On 27 Jan 2004 06:03:25 -0800, (K D B) wrote:
> >"ipse dixit" > wrote in message >...


If not for kdb's reply, I'd not have seen your post. -Done.-

http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html

> >> "Laurie" > wrote in message ...
> >> > "everwestward" > wrote in message

om...
> >> > > Jonathan Ball > wrote in message

hlink.net>...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > There's no riddle. You're a mentally ill asshole.
> >> > > >
> >> > > My, oh my. Someone has too much hostility. Must
> >> > > be all the dietary impurities.
> >> > >
> >> > Oh, you don't know about Jon-a-thug noBalls?
> >> > He is arguably the most intentionally-obnoxious of all the
> >> > hostile, meatarian trolls who haunt the veg*n ng's, hoping to
> >> > suck innocent newbies into meaningless dialog and then blast
> >> > them with lies, personal insults, vulgarity, and verbally-violent
> >> > assaults. Killfile him and the rest of his ilk.
> >> >
> >> > Laurie
> >> >
> >> They don't come much better than that, Pearl.

> >
> > Except for the fact that Larry has shown no evidence of meaningless
> >dialogue or lies

>
> The evidence of Laurie's claim is plain to everyone.
> Jon's only reason for being here is to "haunt the veg*n
> ng's, hoping to suck innocent newbies into meaningless
> dialog and then blast them with lies, personal insults,
> vulgarity, and verbally-violent assaults."
>
> You probably don't see it, but that's no surprise since
> also fail to see his unethical snipping, too.






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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:38:12 -0000, "pearl" > wrote:

>"ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
>> On 27 Jan 2004 06:03:25 -0800, (K D B) wrote:
>> >"ipse dixit" > wrote in message >...

>
>If not for kdb's reply, I'd not have seen your post. -Done.-
>
>
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
>

Seen it. Superb!
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:38:12 -0000, "pearl" > wrote:

>"ipse dixit" > wrote in message ...
>> On 27 Jan 2004 06:03:25 -0800, (K D B) wrote:
>> >"ipse dixit" > wrote in message >...

>
>If not for kdb's reply, I'd not have seen your post.


I'm kill-filed then?
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