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Old 17-01-2004, 09:38 PM
Dutch
 
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"Saerah" wrote in message
...

ipse dixit wrote in message ...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:22:46 -0500, "Saerah"

wrote:
ipse dixit wrote in message ...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:08:00 -0500, "Saerah"

wrote:
ipse dixit wrote in message ...
snip BS

That material you snipped away showing the
fact that farmers intentionally lie to their
customers isn't BS, so let's put it all back again
before you proceed to show where USDA are
lying.

i only snipped for brevity- you've posted this plenty of times.


Then you have no excuse for your error in thinking
I wrote *all* farmers are lying, have you?

i'm not
saying that *some* farmers are dishonest, i'm just saying that its

illogical
for you to infer that *all* managers of livestock are lying simply

becasue
*some* are.

And where have I written *all* farmers are lying?
If you took the time to read the threads more
thoroughly before jumping in and making an arse
of yourself you might have noticed I've addressed
your point before now.

[start usual suspect]
Note your own source: *SOME*. Not all.

[me]
That's right, and I've never said otherwise.
[end]


yes, but then you follow up the quoted material by saying "farmers lie".
which implies that "all farmers lie", if you dont qualify your statement.


It's called equivocation, it's one of the many tools of deception this idiot
uses to misrepresent the truth.



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Old 18-01-2004, 02:58 AM
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wrote in message
...

The lying does matter. But what and who
does it matter to?

If lying matters, then why do you lie about animals being used in
products such as glass and steel, when you have no credible data to support
those claims?

Laurie


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Old 18-01-2004, 08:50 AM
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"Laurie" wrote

wrote

The lying does matter. But what and who
does it matter to?

If lying matters, then why do you lie about animals being used in
products such as glass and steel, when you have no credible data to

support
those claims?


Who said that?


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Old 18-01-2004, 11:02 AM
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:12:46 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:24:22 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:22 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:38:33 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

That's no guarantee that the farmer won't finish
his beef in a feedlot on grains far from home
later on in the year.

If someone happens to eat beef like that it wouldn't
really matter anyway


It does matter when farmers lie to their customers,


The lying matters.


You've only just wrote, "that it wouldn't really matter
anyway", so make up your stupid mind.

Farmers have always
been honest even when it hurts.


Then why do they intentionally infect their own
cattle with painful, deadly diseases?


To make them sick. Why did you think they do it?

They do it for exactly the reason you gave and
to fraudulently claim compensation for what
should be a safety net for other genuine people
in need of that money. In short, they lie and
cheat their own kind, and can't be trusted to look
after animals, let alone be honest to customers
about their product.

That's not
being "honest even when it hurts",


It is if they don't want to make their cattle sick, and
only do it as a last resort that they hate to do.

What a load of rubbish. You start off by claiming
farmers are "honest even when it hurts" and then
go on to admit they're anything but honest or even
responsible enough to look after the animals in their
charge.

and neither
is their lying to customers which YOU think
"wouldn't really matter anyway."


The lying does matter.


Then why did you lie by initially claiming, "it wouldn't
really matter anyway"?

But what and who does it matter to?


Everyone, including themselves.


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Old 18-01-2004, 04:04 PM
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:02:58 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:12:46 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:24:22 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:22 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:38:33 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

That's no guarantee that the farmer won't finish
his beef in a feedlot on grains far from home
later on in the year.

If someone happens to eat beef like that it wouldn't
really matter anyway

It does matter when farmers lie to their customers,


The lying matters.


You've only just wrote, "that it wouldn't really matter
anyway", so make up your stupid mind.

Farmers have always
been honest even when it hurts.

Then why do they intentionally infect their own
cattle with painful, deadly diseases?


To make them sick. Why did you think they do it?

They do it for exactly the reason you gave and
to fraudulently claim compensation for what
should be a safety net for other genuine people
in need of that money. In short, they lie and
cheat their own kind, and can't be trusted to look
after animals,

__________________________________________________ _______
Web posted Friday, April 27, 2001
State Veterinarian, PETA Head Differ On Outbreak
[...]
On Thursday, Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals, renewed her claim that an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease
in the United States would benefit herds by sparing them from a tortured
existence and the slaughterhouse.

A PETA spokesman said it's inconceivable that anyone would fail to see
the sense of Newkirk's statements, which have rankled politicians and
livestock farmers from Texas to Canada.

[...]
In a telephone interview from Richmond, Va., Newkirk reiterated her
hope that foot-and-mouth -- which has ravaged herds in Europe -- reaches
U.S. shores.

''It's a peculiar and disturbing thing to say, but it would be less than truthful
if I pretended otherwise,'' she said.

People would be better off without meat because it is tied to a host of
ailments, Newkirk said. And animals would benefit because the current
means of raising and slaughtering livestock are ''grotesquely cruel from
start to finish.''
[...]
http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stori...427010026.html
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let alone be honest to customers
about their product.

That's not
being "honest even when it hurts",


It is if they don't want to make their cattle sick, and
only do it as a last resort that they hate to do.

What a load of rubbish. You start off by claiming
farmers are "honest even when it hurts" and then
go on to admit they're anything but honest or even
responsible enough to look after the animals in their
charge.

and neither
is their lying to customers which YOU think
"wouldn't really matter anyway."


The lying does matter.


Then why did you lie by initially claiming, "it wouldn't
really matter anyway"?


You snipped it, so you know what it is. If you want
to discuss it then put it back.

But what and who does it matter to?


Everyone, including themselves.


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Old 18-01-2004, 05:34 PM
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:04:15 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:02:58 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:12:46 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:24:22 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:22 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:38:33 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

That's no guarantee that the farmer won't finish
his beef in a feedlot on grains far from home
later on in the year.

If someone happens to eat beef like that it wouldn't
really matter anyway

It does matter when farmers lie to their customers,

The lying matters.


You've only just wrote, "that it wouldn't really matter
anyway", so make up your stupid mind.

Well? Which is it, then? Does lying matter or
doesn't it?

Farmers have always
been honest even when it hurts.

Then why do they intentionally infect their own
cattle with painful, deadly diseases?

To make them sick. Why did you think they do it?

They do it for exactly the reason you gave and
to fraudulently claim compensation for what
should be a safety net for other genuine people
in need of that money. In short, they lie and
cheat their own kind, and can't be trusted to look
after animals,

_________________________________________________ ________
Web posted Friday, April 27, 2001
State Veterinarian, PETA Head Differ On Outbreak
[...]
On Thursday, Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals, renewed her claim that an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease
in the United States would benefit herds by sparing them from a tortured
existence and the slaughterhouse.

A PETA spokesman said it's inconceivable that anyone would fail to see
the sense of Newkirk's statements, which have rankled politicians and
livestock farmers from Texas to Canada.

[...]
In a telephone interview from Richmond, Va., Newkirk reiterated her
hope that foot-and-mouth -- which has ravaged herds in Europe -- reaches
U.S. shores.

''It's a peculiar and disturbing thing to say, but it would be less than truthful
if I pretended otherwise,'' she said.

People would be better off without meat because it is tied to a host of
ailments, Newkirk said. And animals would benefit because the current
means of raising and slaughtering livestock are ''grotesquely cruel from
start to finish.''
[...]
http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stori...427010026.html
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ

How does Newkirk's statement take anything away
from the facts I've pointed out to you? Farmers
infect their cattle for exactly the reason you gave
and to fraudulently claim compensation from what
should be a safety net for other genuine people in
need of that money. In short, they lie and cheat their
own kind and can't be trusted to look after animals.
That's not being "honest even when it hurts", you idiot.
It's thoroughly dishonest and unethical.

That's not
being "honest even when it hurts",

It is if they don't want to make their cattle sick, and
only do it as a last resort that they hate to do.

What a load of rubbish. You start off by claiming
farmers are "honest even when it hurts" and then
go on to admit they're anything but honest or even
responsible enough to look after the animals in their
charge.

Well, stupid? How is what they do being, "honest even
when it hurts"?
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Old 19-01-2004, 08:45 AM
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:18:53 GMT, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:34:26 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:04:15 GMT,
wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:02:58 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:12:46 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:24:22 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:22 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:38:33 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

That's no guarantee that the farmer won't finish
his beef in a feedlot on grains far from home
later on in the year.

If someone happens to eat beef like that it wouldn't
really matter anyway

It does matter when farmers lie to their customers,

The lying matters.

You've only just wrote, "that it wouldn't really matter
anyway", so make up your stupid mind.

Well? Which is it, then? Does lying matter or
doesn't it?


Replace what you snipped and see for yourself.

unsnip
Farmers have always
been honest even when it hurts.

Then why do they intentionally infect their own
cattle with painful, deadly diseases?

To make them sick. Why did you think they do it?

They do it for exactly the reason you gave and
to fraudulently claim compensation for what
should be a safety net for other genuine people
in need of that money. In short, they lie and
cheat their own kind, and can't be trusted to look
after animals,

_________________________________________________ ________
Web posted Friday, April 27, 2001
State Veterinarian, PETA Head Differ On Outbreak
[...]
On Thursday, Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals, renewed her claim that an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease
in the United States would benefit herds by sparing them from a tortured
existence and the slaughterhouse.

A PETA spokesman said it's inconceivable that anyone would fail to see
the sense of Newkirk's statements, which have rankled politicians and
livestock farmers from Texas to Canada.

[...]
In a telephone interview from Richmond, Va., Newkirk reiterated her
hope that foot-and-mouth -- which has ravaged herds in Europe -- reaches
U.S. shores.

''It's a peculiar and disturbing thing to say, but it would be less than truthful
if I pretended otherwise,'' she said.

People would be better off without meat because it is tied to a host of
ailments, Newkirk said. And animals would benefit because the current
means of raising and slaughtering livestock are ''grotesquely cruel from
start to finish.''
[...]
http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stori...427010026.html
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ

How does Newkirk's statement take anything away
from the facts I've pointed out to you? Farmers
infect their cattle for exactly the reason you gave
and to fraudulently claim compensation from what
should be a safety net for other genuine people in
need of that money. In short, they lie and cheat their
own kind and can't be trusted to look after animals.
That's not being "honest even when it hurts", you idiot.
It's thoroughly dishonest and unethical.

That's not
being "honest even when it hurts",

It is if they don't want to make their cattle sick, and
only do it as a last resort that they hate to do.

What a load of rubbish. You start off by claiming
farmers are "honest even when it hurts" and then
go on to admit they're anything but honest or even
responsible enough to look after the animals in their
charge.

Well, stupid? How is what they do being, "honest even
when it hurts"?
end

There. Now answer the question, Harrison.
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Old 21-01-2004, 03:23 AM
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:45:05 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:18:53 GMT, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:34:26 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:04:15 GMT,
wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:02:58 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:12:46 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:24:22 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:22 GMT,
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:38:33 +0000, ipse dixit wrote:

That's no guarantee that the farmer won't finish
his beef in a feedlot on grains far from home
later on in the year.

If someone happens to eat beef like that it wouldn't
really matter anyway

It does matter when farmers lie to their customers,

The lying matters.

You've only just wrote, "that it wouldn't really matter
anyway", so make up your stupid mind.

Well? Which is it, then? Does lying matter or
doesn't it?


Replace what you snipped and see for yourself.

unsnip
Farmers have always
been honest even when it hurts.

Then why do they intentionally infect their own
cattle with painful, deadly diseases?

To make them sick. Why did you think they do it?

They do it for exactly the reason you gave and
to fraudulently claim compensation for what
should be a safety net for other genuine people
in need of that money. In short, they lie and
cheat their own kind, and can't be trusted to look
after animals,

________________________________________________ _________
Web posted Friday, April 27, 2001
State Veterinarian, PETA Head Differ On Outbreak
[...]
On Thursday, Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals, renewed her claim that an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease
in the United States would benefit herds by sparing them from a tortured
existence and the slaughterhouse.

A PETA spokesman said it's inconceivable that anyone would fail to see
the sense of Newkirk's statements, which have rankled politicians and
livestock farmers from Texas to Canada.

[...]
In a telephone interview from Richmond, Va., Newkirk reiterated her
hope that foot-and-mouth -- which has ravaged herds in Europe -- reaches
U.S. shores.

''It's a peculiar and disturbing thing to say, but it would be less than truthful
if I pretended otherwise,'' she said.

People would be better off without meat because it is tied to a host of
ailments, Newkirk said. And animals would benefit because the current
means of raising and slaughtering livestock are ''grotesquely cruel from
start to finish.''
[...]
http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stori...427010026.html
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ

How does Newkirk's statement take anything away
from the facts I've pointed out to you? Farmers
infect their cattle for exactly the reason you gave
and to fraudulently claim compensation from what
should be a safety net for other genuine people in
need of that money. In short, they lie and cheat their
own kind and can't be trusted to look after animals.
That's not being "honest even when it hurts", you idiot.
It's thoroughly dishonest and unethical.

That's not
being "honest even when it hurts",

It is if they don't want to make their cattle sick, and
only do it as a last resort that they hate to do.

What a load of rubbish. You start off by claiming
farmers are "honest even when it hurts" and then
go on to admit they're anything but honest or even
responsible enough to look after the animals in their
charge.

Well, stupid? How is what they do being, "honest even
when it hurts"?
end

There. Now answer the question, Harrison.


I did. Do you know when?


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Old 07-03-2004, 07:51 PM
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"Dutch" wrote in message
...
"Laurie" wrote

wrote
The lying does matter. But what and who does it matter to?

If lying matters, then why do you lie about animals being used in
products such as glass and steel, when you have no credible data to
support those claims?


Who said that?

As the reference CLEARLY shows, I was responding to ,
who frequently makes such bizarre claims, and then perpetually fails to
support those claims when challenged, such as:
=================
"From:
)
Subject: Do seals have rights?



Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals, alt.animals.felines,
alt.animals.horses.breeding, rec.animals.wildlife, alt.philosophy
Date: 2004-02-10 19:25:50 PST

snip
· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:

Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid, contact-lens care products, glues for paper and
cardboard cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC,
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
================
C'mon, Dutch, you have been plaguing these veg*n ng's for years, and you
have seen dh's crackpot claims for years, and you know he has never even
attempted to support his claims when challenged for years -- all this rather
similar to your own lack of intellectual ethics.

Laurie






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Old 07-03-2004, 09:44 PM
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Laurie wrote:

"Dutch" wrote in message
...

"Laurie" wrote

wrote

The lying does matter. But what and who does it matter to?

If lying matters, then why do you lie about animals being used in
products such as glass and steel, when you have no credible data to
support those claims?


Who said that?


As the reference CLEARLY shows, I was responding to ,
who frequently makes such bizarre claims, and then perpetually fails to
support those claims when challenged, such as:
=================
"From:
)
Subject: Do seals have rights?



Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals, alt.animals.felines,
alt.animals.horses.breeding, rec.animals.wildlife, alt.philosophy
Date: 2004-02-10 19:25:50 PST

snip
· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:

Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid, contact-lens care products, glues for paper and
cardboard cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC,
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
================
C'mon, Dutch, you have been plaguing these veg*n ng's for years, and you
have seen dh's crackpot claims for years, and you know he has never even
attempted to support his claims when challenged for years -- all this rather
similar to your own lack of intellectual ethics.


You are in no position to be cracking wise about
"intellectual ethics", Larry.

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Old 11-03-2004, 01:34 PM
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:51:44 -0500, "Laurie" wrote:


"Dutch" wrote in message
...
"Laurie" wrote

wrote
The lying does matter. But what and who does it matter to?
If lying matters, then why do you lie about animals being used in
products such as glass and steel, when you have no credible data to
support those claims?


Who said that?

As the reference CLEARLY shows, I was responding to ,
who frequently makes such bizarre claims, and then perpetually fails to
support those claims when challenged, such as:
=================
"From:
)
Subject: Do seals have rights?



Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals, alt.animals.felines,
alt.animals.horses.breeding, rec.animals.wildlife, alt.philosophy
Date: 2004-02-10 19:25:50 PST

snip
· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:

Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze, Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid, contact-lens care products, glues for paper and
cardboard cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC,
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
================
C'mon, Dutch, you have been plaguing these veg*n ng's for years, and you
have seen dh's crackpot claims for years,


So you don't think animals are killed in crop fields or that animal
by-products are used in manufacturing. On which planet do you
think things are like that? Oh yeah, Mercury, Venus, Mars..............

and you know he has never even
attempted to support his claims when challenged for years --


Here's something that *anyone* who really cared about
animals would have accepted years ago:
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Animals give us much more than milk, steak, ham and leg of lamb.
For example, 99 percent of every cow is used, but less than half of
that is actually eaten as beef. By-products, or the non-meat products
that come from animals, are used to make an amazing variety of
medicines, foods, household and industrial products.

After meat, drugs and medicines are the major products that come
from beef and pork. Hogs alone provide 40 important drugs. Look
around your house: soap, paint, detergent, cosmetics, wallpaper,
glass and plastics -- all are made from animals. We even use
animal by-products in our cars: in tires, seat coverings, antifreeze
and oil.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/newsfo...yproduct1.html
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but you don't care about animals enough to...well...even
think about them.
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SO, WHEN IS A COW MORE THAN A COW?

Whenever we depend on its renewable resources
to be part of the world that helps us.

Beef by-products enable us to use 99% of every beef animal.
BEEF BY-PRODUCTS - THE NATURAL SOURCE

Beef by-products serve as source materials for other industries,
including pharmaceuticals, chemicals, and textiles.

We normally associate beef as being part of a satisfying meal.
However, because 99% of the beef animal is utilized, items
manufactured from beef by-products are all around us. Yogurt,
car tires, drywall and a variety of medicines all contain a beef
by-product.

The medical world relies on beef by-products for many life
saving or life improving medications and treatments. Our bodies
can easily accept a medication or treatment made with beef
by-products. Although some medical products and treatments
are made from synthetic ingredients, many are still made more
economically from beef cattle, thus helping to keep the cost of
our health care down.

Some frequently used medical products made from beef
by-products include trypsin (for cleansing wounds and ulcers),
corticotrophin (for treating allergies, arthritis and respiratory
diseases), iron (for treating anemia), thrombin (for blood
coagulation), and a huge range of other valuable
pharmaceutical products.

Beef by-products are also used in all sorts of mechanical items.
For example, chemical manufacturers use the fatty acids of
inedible beef fats and proteins for the production of lubricants
and fluids. From industrial cleaners and fertilizers to printing ink
and high gloss for magazines, many useful products are created
from beef cattle.

Automobile and bicycle tires contain stearic acid, which makes
the rubber hold its shape under continuous surface friction. Even
the asphalt on our roadways contains a binding agent derived
from the fat of beef cattle.

The creation of beef by-products is an important way for the beef
industry to reduce, reuse and recycle.

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jross/beefprod.htm
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see also:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jross/house.htm
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jross/industry.htm
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jross/travel.htm
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jross/pharmacy.htm


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