"Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
> Derek wrote:
> > "Bill" > wrote in message .net...
> >>Derek wrote:
> >>>"Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
> >>>>Derek wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> >>>>
> >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> >>>
> >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> >>> responsible for their deaths.
> >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> >>>therefore
> >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> >>>
> >>>What could be simpler?
> >>
> >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> >>responsibility for them.
> >
> > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
>
> No.

Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
Shame on you.

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> "Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> > Derek wrote:
> > > "Bill" > wrote in message
.net...
> > >>Derek wrote:
> > >>>"Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > >>>
> > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > >>>therefore
> > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > >>>
> > >>>What could be simpler?
> > >>
> > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > >>responsibility for them.
> > >
> > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> >
> > No.
>
> Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> Shame on you.
=====================
Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that you know causes death
and suffering despite being able to make other choices.
makes you complicit, hypocrite.


>
>

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> "Derek" > wrote in message ...
> > "Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
> > > Derek wrote:
> > > > "Bill" > wrote in message .net...
> > > >>Derek wrote:
> > > >>>"Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
> > > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > > >>>therefore
> > > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>What could be simpler?
> > > >>
> > > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > > >>responsibility for them.
> > > >
> > > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> > causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> > to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> > Shame on you.
> =====================
> Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.

I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
victims have a right against them not to be their victims.

Derek, thinking he's fooling someone alternating with
his ****witted "ipse dixit" pseudonym, wrote:

> "Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
>
>>Derek, thinking he's fooling someone alternating with his ****witted "ipse dixit" pseudonym, wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill" > wrote in message .net...
>>>
>>>>Derek, thinking he's fooling someone alternating with his ****witted "ipse dixit" pseudonym, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Derek, thinking he's fooling someone alternating with his ****witted "ipse dixit" pseudonym, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
>>>>> responsible for their deaths.
>>>>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
>>>>>therefore
>>>>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>>What could be simpler?
>>>>
>>>>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
>>>>responsibility for them.
>>>
>>>Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
>>
>>No.
>
>
> Yes.

No, Dreck/"jane"/"ipse dixit". Logic dictates that you
are the buck-passing miscreant.

Jonathan Ball, thinking he's fooling everyone by
alternating between half a dozen different posters
wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> >>>>> responsible for their deaths.
> >>>>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> >>>>>therefore
> >>>>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What could be simpler?
> >>>>
> >>>>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> >>>>responsibility for them.
> >>>
> >>>Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> >>
> >>No.
> >
> > Yes.
>
> No, Dreck/"jane"/"ipse dixit". Logic dictates that you
> are the buck-passing miscreant.
>
Then show that logic in proper form loser.

Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
> Then show that logic in proper form loser.

It's been done for you too many times repeatedly, you filthy moron. What
will pointing out your flaws one more time change? Not a thing because
you're thoroughly benighted and incorrigible.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
> > Then show that logic in proper form loser.
>
> It's been done for you too many times repeatedly

That's a lie.

Dreck Nash, lying shirking shitbag ordinaire, wrote:

>>>>>>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
>>>>>>> responsible for their deaths.
>>>>>>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
>>>>>>>therefore
>>>>>>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What could be simpler?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
>>>>>>responsibility for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>>No, Dreck/"jane"/"ipse dixit". Logic dictates that you
>>are the buck-passing miscreant.
>>
>
> Then show that logic in proper form loser.

Been done, hundreds of times, shirker. AS a
buckpassing shirker, you're not interested in logic,
which is why you keep stupidly insisting, under various
pseudonyms, that you're not complicit. You're wrong -
you are complicit.

Derek wrote:

> "usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
>
>>Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
>>
>>>Then show that logic in proper form loser.
>>
>>It's been done for you too many times repeatedly
>
>
> That's a lie.

It's not. It's been so many times, you've lost track.

Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
>>>Then show that logic in proper form loser.
>>
>>It's been done for you too many times repeatedly
>
> That's a lie.

No. You've been proven a hypocrite, charlatan, and rank poseur time and
time again. What will pointing out your flaws one more time change? Not
a thing because you're thoroughly benighted and incorrigible.

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
...
> > "Derek" > wrote in message
...
> > > "Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> > > > Derek wrote:
> > > > > "Bill" > wrote in message
.net...
> > > > >>Derek wrote:
> > > > >>>"Bill" > wrote in message
k.net...
> > > > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > > > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > > > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > > > >>>therefore
> > > > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>What could be simpler?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > > > >>responsibility for them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > >
> > > Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> > > causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> > > to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> > > Shame on you.
> > =====================
> > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
>
> I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
=======================
Liar, you know they do. You just can't help youraself from being the
ignorant hypocrite that you are.


> The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> ==================
Which is you, exactly, killer.

>

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> "Derek" > wrote in message ...
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message ...
> > > "Derek" > wrote in message ...
> > > > "Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
> > > > > Derek wrote:
> > > > > > "Bill" > wrote in message .net...
> > > > > >>Derek wrote:
> > > > > >>>"Bill" > wrote in message k.net...
> > > > > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > > > > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > > > > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > > > > >>>therefore
> > > > > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>What could be simpler?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > > > > >>responsibility for them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> > > > >
> > > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> > > > causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> > > > to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> > > > Shame on you.
> > > =====================
> > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> >
> > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> =======================
> Liar, you know they do.

Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
history of CD is specious. If, however, goods are bought
carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
money back.
>
> > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > ==================
> Which is you, exactly, killer.
>
No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
them.

"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
...

snippage...

> > > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> > >
> > > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> > =======================
> > Liar, you know they do.
>
> Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
> history of CD is specious.
=======================
there are *NO* 'superior ethical vegans' here on usenet you ignorant dolt.
A true vegan wouldn't be here contributing to massive numbers of animal
deaths just for their entertainment and pleasure. Here you are,
contributing to massive amounts of truly unnecessary animal death and
suffering, and you neither care nor plan to quit. Your 'ethics' are as
false as your religion, killer.


If, however, goods are bought
> carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
> ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
> money back.
======================
No you don't. your constant posting to usenet proves that you care not one
iota about unnecessary animal
death and suffering. And this is just for your selfish entertainment, not
survival. So, you're a liar. Nothing new about that
though, is there, hypocrite?


> >
> > > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > > ==================
> > Which is you, exactly, killer.
> >
> No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
> them.
=========================
delusional drug abuse talking now, killer. You know you do, we know you do.
You're just too ignorant, too delusion, too hypocritical to accept it.

>
>

"rick etter" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> snippage...
>
> > > > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > > > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > > > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> > > =======================
> > > Liar, you know they do.
> >
> > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
> > history of CD is specious.
> =======================
> there are *NO* 'superior ethical vegans' here on usenet you ignorant dolt.

You've just replied to one.
>
> > If, however, goods are bought
> > carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
> > ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
> > money back.
> ======================
> No you don't.

Yes, I would.
> > >
> > > > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > > > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > > > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > > > ==================
> > > Which is you, exactly, killer.
> > >
> > No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
> > them.
> =========================
> delusional drug abuse talking now, killer.

Ad hominem.

"Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick etter" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > "Ipse dixit" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "rick etter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > snippage...
> >
> > > > > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > > > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > > > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > > > > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > > > > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> > > > =======================
> > > > Liar, you know they do.
> > >
> > > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > > deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
> > > history of CD is specious.
> > =======================
> > there are *NO* 'superior ethical vegans' here on usenet you ignorant
dolt.
>
> You've just replied to one.
=====================
ROTFLMAO!! that's a good one, killer. Got another whopper like that? Oh
yeah, that's all you have, lys.


> >
> > > If, however, goods are bought
> > > carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
> > > ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
> > > money back.
> > ======================
> > No you don't.
>
> Yes, I would.
=================
No, you don't. You prove you don't care about unnecessary animal death and
suffering.



> > > >
> > > > > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > > > > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > > > > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > > > > ==================
> > > > Which is you, exactly, killer.
> > > >
> > > No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
> > > them.
> > =========================
> > delusional drug abuse talking now, killer.
>
> Ad hominem.
==============
Truth hurts, eh hypocrite?


>
>

Derek Nash, pretending to be some else wrote

> Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> deaths while producing them

So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any others? And
to be a "superior" class vegan one only has to purchase food that "may or
may not" have animal deaths associated with them? What are the standards for
a regular vegan?

"Dutch" > wrote in message ...
> "Ipse dixit" wrote:
>
> > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > deaths while producing them
>
> So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any others?

No. All ethical vegans are superior, especially me.

"Ipse dixit" > wrote
>
> "Dutch" > wrote
> > "Ipse dixit" wrote:
> >
> > > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > > deaths while producing them
> >
> > So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any others?
>
> No. All ethical vegans are superior, especially me.

At least we can put the old denial to rest now.. vegans DO believe they
enjoy moral superiority.

Since the vegans in your statement make no effort to know if collateral
deaths have occurred, how do they attain this moral superiority?

"Dutch" > wrote in message
...
> "Ipse dixit" > wrote
> >
> > "Dutch" > wrote
> > > "Ipse dixit" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > > > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > > > deaths while producing them
> > >
> > > So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any
others?
> >
> > No. All ethical vegans are superior, especially me.
>
> At least we can put the old denial to rest now.. vegans DO believe they
> enjoy moral superiority.
>
> Since the vegans in your statement make no effort to know if collateral
> deaths have occurred, how do they attain this moral superiority?
====================
Why, just by saying it and thinking it of course, Dutch.
Actions to them mean nothing, since they actually take no actions to
alliveate their contributions to animal death and suffering.

"Ipse dixit" > wrote

> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:40:11 -0800, "Dutch" > wrote:
>
> >"Ipse dixit" > wrote
> >>
> >> "Dutch" > wrote
> >> > "Ipse dixit" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> >> > > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> >> > > deaths while producing them
> >> >
> >> > So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any
others?
> >>
> >> No. All ethical vegans are superior, especially me.
> >
> >At least we can put the old denial to rest now.. vegans DO believe they
> >enjoy moral superiority.
> >
> I can't speak for them all, but I certainly do.

They all do, although most deny it.

> >Since the vegans in your statement make no effort to know if collateral
> >deaths have occurred, how do they attain this moral superiority?
> >
> Plurium Interrogationum. Your question has a false or
> disputed presupposition: that the vegans I referred to
> in my statement make no effort to find out whether
> collateral deaths have occurred.

It's not in dispute, vegans neither inquire about nor care if their diet and
lifestyles result in collateral deaths, they only care about visible
evidence in the form of animal products.

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