I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
appreciated!
Jennifer

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:41:05 -0400, "Jennifer" > wrote:

>I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
>exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
>appreciated!
>Jennifer

· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:
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Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery, Paints,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze

http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm
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Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid

http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm
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contact-lens care products, glues for paper and cardboard
cartons, bookbinding glue, clarification of wines, Hemostats,
sunscreens and sunblocks, dental floss, hairspray, inks, PVC

http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html
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Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants,
Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Syringes,
Gelatin Capsules, Bandage Strips, Combs and Toothbrushes,
Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings

http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml
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The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die in it as they do
in any other habitat. They also depend on it for their
lives like the animals in any other habitat. If people
consume animal products from animals they think are
raised in decent ways, they will be promoting life for
more such animals in the future.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
cattle. ·

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:40:59 GMT, wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:41:05 -0400, "Jennifer" > wrote:
>
>>I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
>>exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
>>appreciated!
>>Jennifer
>
> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
>of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
>buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
>What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
>to avoid the following in order to be successful:

Does the fact that vegans can't be perfect mean that they shouldn't
try to be good?

-Vioxel

pamitySpam
Just remove all the spam and such.

"Vioxel" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:40:59 GMT, wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:41:05 -0400, "Jennifer"
> wrote:
> >
> >>I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
> >>exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
> >>appreciated!
> >>Jennifer
> >
> > · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
> >of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
> >buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
> >What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
> >(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
> >to avoid the following in order to be successful:
>
> Does the fact that vegans can't be perfect mean that they shouldn't
> try to be good?
====================
No, they just shouldn't sanctimoniously try to claim their diet does any
good at all, killer.

Jennifer > wrote in message =
...

> I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new =
and
> exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
> appreciated!

Same here Mr Falafel! I had problems with my husband calling my =
vegetarian creations brown gack before I joined this group, now he asks =
for vegan food. He said thankyou to you on an unrelated group a week or =
two ago )

Sarah
--=20

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:46:07 GMT, Vioxel > wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:40:59 GMT, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:41:05 -0400, "Jennifer" > wrote:
>>
>>>I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
>>>exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
>>>appreciated!
>>>Jennifer
>>
>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
>>of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
>>buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
>>What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
>>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
>>to avoid the following in order to be successful:
>
>Does the fact that vegans can't be perfect mean that they shouldn't
>try to be good?
>
>-Vioxel

No. But people who care about human influence on animals
should keep this part in mind:

From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
cattle. ·

It depends on how "good" you want to be, and what you
want to be good at.

wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:46:07 GMT, Vioxel > wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:40:59 GMT, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:41:05 -0400, "Jennifer" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
>>>>exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
>>>>appreciated!
>>>>Jennifer
>>>
>>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
>>>of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
>>>buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
>>>What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
>>>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
>>>to avoid the following in order to be successful:
>>
>>Does the fact that vegans can't be perfect mean that they shouldn't
>>try to be good?
>>
>>-Vioxel
>
>
> No. But people who care about human influence on animals
> should keep this part in mind:
>
> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
> steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
> get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
> raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
> products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
> and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
> one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
> more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
> raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
> wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
> cattle. ·
>
> It depends on how "good" you want to be, and what you
> want to be good at.

David ****wit Harrison, ', doesn't
want to be good at all: he does not eat grass fed beef
- he has admitted it in other newsgroups - nor does he
choose *any* of the meat he eats based on either the
quality of life of the animal eaten, or the collateral
animal deaths caused by the production of the grain to
feed the animals.

****wit is at least as big a hypocrite as the "aras" he
insincerely condemns.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:17:23 GMT, BlowJob > wrote:

wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:46:07 GMT, Vioxel > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:40:59 GMT, wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:41:05 -0400, "Jennifer" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new and
>>>>>exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
>>>>>appreciated!
>>>>>Jennifer
>>>>
>>>> · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use
>>>>of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of
>>>>buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
>>>>What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life
>>>>(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
>>>>to avoid the following in order to be successful:
>>>
>>>Does the fact that vegans can't be perfect mean that they shouldn't
>>>try to be good?
>>>
>>>-Vioxel
>>
>>
>> No. But people who care about human influence on animals
>> should keep this part in mind:
>>
>> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
>> steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
>> get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
>> raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
>> products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
>> and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
>> one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
>> more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
>> raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
>> wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
>> cattle. ·
>>
>> It depends on how "good" you want to be, and what you
>> want to be good at.
>
>David ****wit Harrison, ', doesn't
>want to be good at all: he does not eat grass fed beef
>- he has admitted it in other newsgroups - nor does he
>choose *any* of the meat he eats based on either the
>quality of life of the animal eaten, or the collateral
>animal deaths caused by the production of the grain to
>feed the animals.
>
>****wit is at least as big a hypocrite as the "aras" he
>insincerely condemns.

What the Gonad is trying to do is assure you that you
should not consider any alternative to veg*nism, because
he is a very dedicated "ARA". He pretends very poorly
to be an opponent, but he clearly does not want people
to consider alternatives to veg*nism that would contribute
to the farming of animals, and he has various methods
of trying to persuade veg*ns not to consider any alternatives.

Regardless of the interests of veg*ns/"ARAs", some
types of meat involve less deaths than some types of
veggies. Rick Etter quite likely contributes to less animal
deaths than the majority of veg*ns in these ngs....including
the Gonad and Falafel.

****wit - David Harrison's real name - wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:17:23 GMT, JoeBob wrote:
>
>

>>> No. But people who care about human influence on animals
>>>should keep this part in mind:
>>>
>>> From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
>>>steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
>>>get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
>>>raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
>>>products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
>>>and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
>>>one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
>>>more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
>>>raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
>>>wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
>>>cattle. ·
>>>
>>> It depends on how "good" you want to be, and what you
>>>want to be good at.
>>
>>David ****wit Harrison, ', doesn't
>>want to be good at all: he does not eat grass fed beef
>>- he has admitted it in other newsgroups - nor does he
>>choose *any* of the meat he eats based on either the
>>quality of life of the animal eaten, or the collateral
>>animal deaths caused by the production of the grain to
>>feed the animals.
>>
>>****wit is at least as big a hypocrite as the "aras" he
>>insincerely condemns.
>
>
> What the Gonad is trying to do is assure you that you
> should not consider any alternative to veg*nism, because
> he is a very dedicated "ARA".

No. That's a lie, ****wit, and you know it's a lie.

No one in his right mind will give a moment's
consideration to your stupid, ****witted
rationalization that it's okay to eat meat because the
meat industry "provides life" to the animals.

"Sarah Carter" > wrote in message >...
> Jennifer > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I just wanted to say that your recipes are a constant source of new
> and
> > exciting eating for my family. Thanks for all your effort...it is
> > appreciated!
>
> Same here Mr Falafel! I had problems with my husband calling my
> vegetarian creations brown gack before I joined this group, now he asks
> for vegan food. He said thankyou to you on an unrelated group a week or
> two ago )
>
> Sarah
> --

That's great news! Your husband does good work, btw.



Glad you like the recipes, Jennifer. I take requests!

Thanks.