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Flatulence-producing foods
>>> there are only a few vegetables
>>> which are notorious for odor, such as cauliflower and radish. >> Flatulence-producing foods are typically high in certain >> polysaccharides … Nonsense, offensive odors emanating from the human and/or its feces are the result of consuming far too much protein, especially cooked protein. http://ecologos.org/pp.htm http://ecologos.org/pro.htm http://ecologos.org/denature.htm The odors in human meat-eaters’ feces, and from other body fluids, is created by putrefactive bacteria residing in the large colon. They metabolize –undigested- peptides and produce the offensive odors, indole, skatole, putrescine, cadaverine,… ALL of which are amine compounds. Amines contain the chemical entity –NH2. Since amine groups enter the body ONLY in proteins, -undigested- proteins must be the source of the amine radical. There are NO amines in carbohydrates or fats: baby biochemistry. OTOH, IF animal protein IS properly and completely digested into its component amino acids, and they were successfully transported into the cells, there would be NO “body odors” since amino acids have no offensive odors. QED. There are two fundamental issues created by consuming dead, rotting animal corpses: quantitative and qualitative. Quantitatively, far too much protein is consumed in animal products, nuts/seeds, beans, pulses, … Qualitative barriers to efficient digestion is caused by the undeniable fact that proteins are denatured by the high temperatures of cooking, and that renders them indigestible. Of course, stinky meat-eaters will lie about this based only on their vast lack of personal experience, and no doubt insult me, personally, for that is all they are skilled at. But the truth is that ANYone may simply stop eating animals and dairy, and their offensive body, breath, and menstrual odors WILL gradually disappear as the body detoxes itself. Anyone may receive these benefits by simple dietary change; even Dragonbreath. ALL it takes is a little commitment to experiential dietary reform. Decades-old stink will disappear, permanently. But, loyal to their self-destructive life-“style”, and anicentric intellectual dysfunction, they will not have the interest or courage to do this simple experiment, and thus remain stinky social pariahs. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm They deserve their stink as a warning to decent people to stay away from the Self-Poisoned Ones. And, the biochemically-deprived ignorantti get what they deserve. Laurie -- Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html news:alt.food.vegan.science (especially oligosaccharides such as inulin) and >> include beans, lentils, dairy products, onions, garlic, scallions, >> leeks, radishes, sweet potatoes, cashews, Jerusalem artichokes, oats, >> wheat, yeast in breads, and other vegetables. Cauliflower, Broccoli, >> cabbage and other cruciferous vegetables that belong to the Brassica >> family are commonly reputed to not only increase flatulence, but to >> increase the pungency of the flatus. In beans, endogenous gases seem >> to arise from complex oligosaccharide (carbohydrates) that are >> particularly resistant to digestion by mammals, but which are readily >> digestible by microorganisms that inhabit the digestive tract. These >> oligosaccharides pass through the upper intestine largely unchanged, >> and when these reach the lower intestine, bacteria feed on them, >> producing copious amounts of flatus.[5] In the case of those with >> lactose intolerance, intestinal bacteria feeding on lactose can give >> rise to excessive gas production when milk or lactose-containing >> substances have been consumed. |
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Any content in the colon which can be reduced by the critters there can
have as by products gases which to humans have an oder or not. Regardless of oder the escape of the gases from the rectum is Flatulence. Carbohydrates or fatty acids or protein can be the source of the gases once produced. There are more bacteria in the human colon then there are cells in the human body. Bacteria are composed of protein and some suchdead bacteria become the food source for other bacteria. Feces also contains protein removed from the body as dead cells etc. as well as those from some food sources. The bacteria produce fatty acids which are the breakdown product of undigestable carbohydrates eaten from plant sources. The less refined the plant source the more such are not digestable and are fermented in the gut. butyric acid is one such fatty acid which when fermented produces an oder humans find objectionable. Other fatty acids are removed from the body as a product of metabolism. Given the above, any food source can produce Flatulence and depending on which gas is produced an oder humans can smell will be produced. |
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> Any content in the colon which can be reduced by the critters
there can have as by products gases which to humans have an oder or not. “Reduce” has a specific meaning in chemistry, and that word does not apply here. Reduction describes the gain of electrons by a molecule, atom or ion; so your claim is in error. > Regardless of oder the escape of the gases from the rectum is Flatulence. Carbohydrates or fatty acids or protein can be the source of the gases once produced. My comments were regarding the offensive-smelling amines produced by consuming excess proteins, especially of animal origin. These odors quickly disappear in a few days, if one abandons animal products, and is not ingesting significant excesses of plant protein: nuts/seeds, beans, pulses, … Over time, all "body odors" will disappear as the body detoxes. > There are more bacteria in the human colon then there are cells in the human body. True, but irrelevant. > Bacteria are composed of protein and some suchdead bacteria become the food source for other bacteria. True, but irrelevant. > Feces also contains protein removed from the body as dead cells etc. as well as those from some food sources. True, but irrelevant. > The bacteria produce fatty acids which are the breakdown product of undigestable carbohydrates eaten from plant sources. The issue is the typical AMINE compounds present in the feces of carnivores and animal-eating humans. Several odoriferous amines were identified by name. They are NOT fatty acids. > … butyric acid is one such fatty acid … But, butyric acid does NOT have the characteristic amine odors referenced. > … any food source can produce Flatulence and depending on which gas is produced an oder humans can smell will be produced. Methane is a common exhaust gas, but it does NOT have the specific and characteristic amine odors produced by humans who consume the animal proteins, or excessive amounts of any protein source. I appreciate your attempt to respond, but please try to deal with the specific issues raised. Laurie -- Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html news:alt.food.vegan.science |
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" > The bacteria produce fatty acids which are the breakdown product of
undigestable carbohydrates eaten from plant sources. " The issue is the typical AMINE compounds present in the feces of carnivores and animal-eating humans. Several odoriferous amines were identified by name. They are NOT fatty acids." Farting is the issue and the source thereof, consult subject line. Undigested carbs ferment in the colon and produce gases and some of them causes farting and some of them smell. As for meat, it was already said eating it can be a source for proteine which can also be so fermented. As can our own cells, we too are meat don't forget. > butyric acid is one such fatty acid " But, butyric acid does NOT have the characteristic amine odors referenced." No, but neither does dsmell like roses, as to what referenced, farting and smells and carbs can be a source. > any food source can produce Flatulence and depending on which gas is produced an oder humans can smell will be produced. ' "Methane is a common exhaust gas, but it does NOT have the specific and characteristic amine odors produced by humans who consume the animal proteins, or excessive amounts of any protein source." Nor does consuming carbs make us fart and oder free, shall we be complete in our discussion of the topic and not by ommission seek to mislead. Science has no agenda, people do. " I appreciate your attempt to respond, but please try to deal with the specific issues raised." Farting and oder thereof was raised. Thanking you in future for not trying to steer the topics you raise when they in their complete form are found uncomfortable and dispell the pretty pricture you wish to paint. |
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On Jul 20, 5:12*pm, Laurie > wrote:
> * >>> there are only a few vegetables > *>>> which are notorious for odor, such as cauliflower and radish. > *>> Flatulence-producing foods are typically high in certain > *>> polysaccharides … > * * * * Nonsense, offensive odors emanating from the human and/or its feces > are the result of consuming far too much protein, especially cooked > protein.http://ecologos.org/pp.htmhttp://eco...g/denature.htm > * * * * The odors in human meat-eaters’ feces, and from other body fluids, is > created by putrefactive bacteria residing in the large colon. *They > metabolize –undigested- peptides and produce the offensive odors, > indole, skatole, putrescine, cadaverine,… ALL of which are amine > compounds. *Amines contain the chemical entity –NH2. > * * * * Since amine groups enter the body ONLY in proteins, -undigested- > proteins must be the source of the amine radical. *There are NO amines > in carbohydrates or fats: baby biochemistry. > * * * * OTOH, IF animal protein IS properly and completely digested into its > component amino acids, and they were successfully transported into the > cells, there would be NO “body odors” since amino acids have no > offensive odors. *QED. > * * * * There are two fundamental issues created by consuming dead, rotting > animal corpses: quantitative and qualitative. *Quantitatively, far too > much protein is consumed in animal products, nuts/seeds, beans, > pulses, … *Qualitative barriers to efficient digestion is caused by > the undeniable fact that proteins are denatured by the high > temperatures of cooking, and that renders them indigestible. > * * * * Of course, stinky meat-eaters will lie about this based only on their > vast lack of personal experience, and no doubt insult me, personally, > for that is all they are skilled at. *But the truth is that ANYone may > simply stop eating animals and dairy, and their offensive body, > breath, and menstrual odors WILL gradually disappear as the body > detoxes itself. > * * * * Anyone may receive these benefits by simple dietary change; even > Dragonbreath. *ALL it takes is a little commitment to experiential > dietary reform. > * * * * Decades-old stink will disappear, permanently. > * * * * But, loyal to their self-destructive life-“style”, and anicentric > intellectual dysfunction, they will not have the interest or courage > to do this simple experiment, and thus remain stinky social pariahs.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm > They deserve their stink as a warning to decent people to stay away > from the Self-Poisoned Ones. > * * * * And, the biochemically-deprived ignorantti get what they deserve. > > * * * * Laurie > -- > Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html > news:alt.food.vegan.science > > (especially oligosaccharides such as inulin) and > *>> include beans, lentils, dairy products, onions, garlic, scallions, > *>> leeks, radishes, sweet potatoes, cashews, Jerusalem artichokes, oats, > *>> wheat, yeast in breads, and other vegetables. Cauliflower, Broccoli, > *>> cabbage and other cruciferous vegetables that belong to the Brassica > *>> family are commonly reputed to not only increase flatulence, but to > *>> increase the pungency of the flatus. In beans, endogenous gases seem > *>> to arise from complex oligosaccharide (carbohydrates) that are > *>> particularly resistant to digestion by mammals, but which are readily > *>> digestible by microorganisms that inhabit the digestive tract. These > *>> oligosaccharides pass through the upper intestine largely unchanged, > *>> and when these reach the lower intestine, bacteria feed on them, > *>> producing copious amounts of flatus.[5] In the case of those with > *>> lactose intolerance, intestinal bacteria feeding on lactose can give > *>> rise to excessive gas production when milk or lactose-containing > *>> substances have been consumed. your postings cause gas... let alone the replies that they recieve. |
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Speaking from experience, anybody who has actually successfully
excluded animal cremains from his or her diet AND made a conscious effort to reduce intermediate substitutes of high protein source foods within weeks of detox, is well aware that odor from flatulence, sweat, etc. are noticeably/greatly reduced. At times (for convenience) when I relied too much on nuts or soy- that has been a reason in itself for me to go running (to sweat/detox). I don't smell like a flower yet but I still eat too much protein. Chris |
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sam stoned wrote:
> your postings cause gas... let alone the replies that they recieve. Take this as your LAST warning! STOP. alt.food.vegan.SCIENCE is about SCIENCE. ALL other issues are OFF TOPIC here. Please cooperate. NO SPAMMING. NO NONSENSE ABOUT "ANIMAL RIGHTS" NO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS Laurie Forti, Moderator alt.food.vegan.science |
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sam stoned wrote:
> your postings cause gas... let alone the replies that they recieve. What happens next is your creation. alt.food.vegan.SCIENCE is about SCIENCE. ALL other issues are OFF TOPIC here. Please cooperate. NO SPAMMING. NO NONSENSE ABOUT "ANIMAL RIGHTS" NO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS Laurie Forti, Moderator alt.food.vegan.science |
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Laurie wrote:
> sam stoned wrote: > >> your postings cause gas... let alone the replies that they recieve. > Take this as your LAST warning! > STOP. Or what? fascist windbag Answer, nothing. > alt.food.vegan.SCIENCE is about SCIENCE. "Vegan.science" is an oxymoron and contra-soientific. By presenting the topic of diet and health under such a banner you are prejudicing the discussion before it ever starts. > ALL other issues are OFF TOPIC here. > Please cooperate. > > NO SPAMMING. > NO NONSENSE ABOUT "ANIMAL RIGHTS" > NO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS Your raw food-faddism is no different than religious dogma. > Laurie Forti, Moderator self-appointed and unwanted > alt.food.vegan.science |
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