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marques de sade wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:37 -0800, Rudy Canoza
> > wrote:
>
>> dh@. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:56:42 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:25 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:01:25 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> it's not like the entity is worse off in the state of nothingness
>>>>>> (that is what you suggest).
>>>>> Obviously I'm not one of the billions of people who believe
>>>>> in multiple lives or I would have explained why years ago.
>>>> thanks for ackowledging that your contentions are faith-based...
>>> Why does pointing out that I'm not one of billions of people
>>> who believe something, make you think I do have faith in
>>> anything?
>>>
>>>> we might actually get somewhere if we all know where we stand.
>>> Maybe, but Rudy could never even acknowledge
>>> the fact that I don't have any belief either way about the
>>> possibility of multiple lives,

>> That's a lie:
>>
>> The soul is created separate from the body it will
>> reside in--if that is the case, then it is almost
>> certain that if people stop raising animals for
>> food, the souls that would have resided in the food
>> animals, will be born to other bodies instead. My
>> argument with that is: maybe the animals that are
>> being raised and eaten by humans, are providing the
>> life experiences for souls that would have
>> otherwise been born in wild habitats that humans
>> have destroyed.
>> Goo/****wit - 12 Jan 2000
http://tinyurl.com/2psrpw
>>
>>
>> You believe in "multiple lives". You're ****witted,
>> stupid and weird.

>
>
> great quote... i wonder if he'll say it was a mistake...


It is as if Goo/****wit sends me a FedEx shipment of
new quotes that damage his case every few weeks.
What's great about the one above is that it completely
contradicts something he wrote just in the last couple
of weeks:

[aras] want people to belive [sic] things like
instead of being born a dairy cow, it could have
been born a happy "free" cow, so I point out that
it would not. Probably the reason you have the
problem, is because you also want to believe that
if "animal rights" were put in place, those same
animals would exist as free ones. That's not the
case.

In fact, the vast majority of the quotes I've collected
from Goo****wit are older ones that completely
contradict the bullshit yarn he's trying to spin now.
For example, Goo****wit regularly bullshits that it is
only "lives of positive value" (bleagh - Goo****wit
really writes horribly) that he wants to promote for
farm animals, but I have several older quotes that
*prove*, beyond dispute, that it is life per se,
irrespective of quality, that he considers to be a
"benefit" to farm animals:

*Whatever* life they get they are lucky to get
it...even if it's only six weeks like a fryer.
****wit - 09/04/1999

All of that has nothing to do with how many
actually get to live. But that is why I feel
that every thing that gets to be born is lucky
in the respect that it *did* get to be born,
since the odds are infinite against all of us
that *we* will actually get to experience life.
****wit - 12/11/1999

Then I guess raising billions of animals for
food provides billions of beings with a place in
eternity. I'm happy to contribute to at least
some of it.
****wit - 04/12/2002

But it's still every bit as morally acceptable
for humans to kill animals for food, as it is
for any other animals to do so imo. And in fact
more so, since we provide life for most of the
animals we kill.
****wit - 04/20/2002

Life is the benefit that makes all others
possible.
****wit - 06/25/2003 (and numerous other posts)

Okay: Existence, and then life itself are the
most important benefits for any being. Though
life itself is a necessary benefit for all
beings, the individual life experiences of the
animals are completely different things and not
necessarily a benefit for every animal,
depending on the particular things that they
experience.
****wit - 03/22/2005


For each of basic descriptions that I have made about
Goo****wit's weird, irrational beliefs concerning farm
animals

- that his focus is on "future" farm animals, rather
than ones already existing

- that he considers coming into existence per se to be
the big benefit, rather than the quality of existence
once it begins

- that he considers non-existent, "future" farm animals
to be capable of experiencing "loss", "deprivation",
"unfairness" and "denial" *before* they exist

for each of those, I have at least four quotes from him
showing that he believes those goofy, irrational
things; and yet he'll continue to lie and say he doesn't.

He's also lying when he calls any of the quotes a
"mistake" in terminology, or any other kind of mistake.
They are not any kind of mistake in terms of
expressing what he really believes. Taken together,
they weave a very complete, detailed exposition of what
his ****witted, goofy beliefs are concerning animals.
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:11:26 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:12:44 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:50:48 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:45:51 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:01:25 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:33:39 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Present the exact quotes you're referring to.
>>>>>
>>>>>this one:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most baby wild animals don't make it that long, not that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>really matters since it's 2 years (or whatever) or *nothing*
>>>>>
>>>>>my comment: you're clearly suggesting, getting to live even a
>>>>>short brief amount of time is preferrable to remaining some 'lost
>>>>>soul'
>>>>
>>>> Not to me. Why does it to you, do you have any idea?
>>>>
>>>>>in a state of pre-existence... or words to that effect.
>>>>
>>>> What makes you imagine that, do you know?
>>>
>>>inference...

>>
>> You refer to something:
>>
>>"a state of pre-existence" - you
>>
>>"Nothing" does not infer something as it refers to nothing, so:
>>
>>1. What makes you imagine that it ever does?
>>2. Do you think it does in all cases, or just in this particular
>>one? If the latter, why in this case?
>>
>>>>>when
>>>>>you don't exist, you're not better or worse off, you just don't
>>>>>exist, period. if you can't get that much, you have no hope.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that part better than you do.
>>>
>>>so how is getting to live 2 years 'better' than not existing...

>>
>> If it's a life of positive value it can be thought of as
>>having positive value.
>>
>>>it's not better or worse... you can't compare the two...

>>
>> I can make a judgement as to whether I believe a
>>particular life would be worth living or not. Why can't
>>you?

>
>you make too much of a big deal out of it all...


Your high degree of inconsideration for other beings
is impressive.
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:16:05 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:14:58 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:56:42 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:25 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:01:25 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>it's not like the entity is worse off in the state of nothingness
>>>>>(that is what you suggest).
>>>>
>>>> Obviously I'm not one of the billions of people who believe
>>>>in multiple lives or I would have explained why years ago.
>>>
>>>thanks for ackowledging that your contentions are faith-based...

>>
>> Why does pointing out that I'm not one of billions of people
>>who believe something, make you think I do have faith in
>>anything?

>
>you appeared to imply that you believed in 'one incarnation per
>soul'... as opposed to 'multiple lives per soul'


I consider both possibilities.

>>>we might actually get somewhere if we all know where we stand.

>>
>> Maybe, but the Goober

>
>i'm snipping the rest... this isn't about canoza right now...
>
>first rephrase the part about you not believing in multiple
>lives... do you believe in a soul, period... and if you do, is
>that soul eternal and sort of waiting in limbo for incarnation, or
>does it begin at the time life(incarnation) begins...
>octinomos


· If there is anything more than this life on Earth for
us, then there must be some type of "self" for each
of us that is not dependant on our body to maintain
its existence. For convenience, I will refer to this
hypothetical "self" as a "soul". Since it is not known
whether this "soul" actually exists or not, imo there
are three possibilities:

1) There is no soul--if that is the case, the *individual*
animals are totally dependant on the particular sperm
and egg that unite, for their life and individuality. If
humans stop controlling the breeding of animals, all
of the individuals that would have been born if we had
continued will instead never have that experience
regardless of how many animals are born wild, since
they are unrelated groups.
2) The soul is created at some point in the development
of the individual being--if that is the case, what I said
in the previous example is also true in this case imo.
3) The soul is created separate from the body it will
reside in--if that is the case, then it is almost certain
that if people stop raising animals for food, the souls
that would have resided in the food animals, will be born
to other bodies instead. If this is indeed the case, maybe
the animals that are being raised and eaten by humans
are providing the life experiences for souls that would
have otherwise been born in wild habitats that humans
have destroyed. ·
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:37 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote:

>You believe in "multiple lives".


How do you think you know whether there are
multiple lives or not, Goo?
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:18:28 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:12:01 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:58:00 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:46:52 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:07:20 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>dh wonders:
>>>>>
>>>>>>wonder what could have caused you to unlearn.
>>>>>
>>>>>that's before i saw you do it myself.
>>>>
>>>> You never have seen me do "it".
>>>>
>>>>>before i always thought he was misquoting you...
>>>>
>>>> Why won't you tell the truth? You have gone from
>>>>understanding and acknowledging the situation, to
>>>>some insane obsession about non-existent "entities"
>>>>just like the Goober. You claim to have UNlearned,
>>>>plus now when I use the term NOTHING you make
>>>>up things imagining it to mean something completely
>>>>different than nothing, as you dream of an existence
>>>>prior to conception on Earth. Now of course it looks
>>>>like as you do things, you get worse at doing them
>>>>instead of better.
>>>
>>>i understand it all now...

>>
>> Maybe. But that certainly doesn't mean you'll be
>>honest about it if you do.
>>
>>>you're blending your argument about a
>>>creator with your argument in favor of butchery of critters...

>>
>> How do you think so?
>>
>> On that subject: I don't believe it's likely a creator
>>would be in some part or somehow possibly all of
>>everything in the universe, as you've led me to
>>believe you do, but I do believe it's likely that
>>he might have some part in some/many/all
>>living creatures.

>
>i see it all as one... no division whatsoever... not even between
>the material and the spiritual...


The biggest question is why you would want to believe
something like that. Why would you, do you know?

>it's all one... everything,
>everyone, the stars, the skies, the oceans, the rocks, the birds,
>you, me, turtles, you name it...
>octinomos


Some things have spirit and consciousness and some
don't. Of course if you can't even get that far with it then
you don't have much hope of being able to make a
distinction between which things do and which do not,
of course.


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Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at
Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:37 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>
>> You believe in "multiple lives".

>
> How do you think you know whether there are
> multiple lives or not


*YOU* believe in them, Goo/****wit, but you have no
evidence to support your ****witted, evidence-free
belief. You're stupid.
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Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at
Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:18:28 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:
>
>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge:
>>
>>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:58:00 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:07:20 GMT,
(marques de sade) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wonder what could have caused you to unlearn.
>>>>>> that's before i saw you do it myself.
>>>>> You never have seen me do "it".
>>>>>
>>>>>> before i always thought he was misquoting you...
>>>>> Why won't you tell the truth? You have gone from
>>>>> understanding and acknowledging the situation, to
>>>>> some insane obsession about non-existent "entities"
>>>>> just like the Goober. You claim to have UNlearned,
>>>>> plus now when I use the term NOTHING you make
>>>>> up things imagining it to mean something completely
>>>>> different than nothing, as you dream of an existence
>>>>> prior to conception on Earth. Now of course it looks
>>>>> like as you do things, you get worse at doing them
>>>>> instead of better.
>>>> i understand it all now...
>>> Maybe. But that certainly doesn't mean you'll be
>>> honest about it if you do.
>>>
>>>> you're blending your argument about a
>>>> creator with your argument in favor of butchery of critters...
>>> How do you think so?
>>>
>>> On that subject: I don't believe it's likely a creator
>>> would be in some part or somehow possibly all of
>>> everything in the universe, as you've led me to
>>> believe you do, but I do believe it's likely that
>>> he might have some part in some/many/all
>>> living creatures.

>> i see it all as one... no division whatsoever... not even between
>> the material and the spiritual...

>
> The biggest question is why you would want to believe
> something like that.


It's no wackier than any of your weird bullshit
beliefs, Goo/****wit.



>> it's all one... everything,
>> everyone, the stars, the skies, the oceans, the rocks, the birds,
>> you, me, turtles, you name it...
>> octinomos

>
> Some things have spirit and consciousness and some
> don't.


You don't.
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, the overly challenged, horribly inept Goober wrote
in confusion:

>dh challenged a horribly inept Goober:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, an impressively stupid Goober wrote:
>>
>>> You believe in "multiple lives".

>>
>> How do you think you know whether there are
>> multiple lives or not, Goo?

>
>*YOU*


No Goober, you poor idiot. How do you think *YOU*
know whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo?
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Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker in
a state full of stupid crackers - lied and presented no
challenge:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Rudy M. Canoza wrote:
>
>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker in a state full of stupid crackers - lied and presented no challenge:


You presented no challenge, Goo. You have never
presented a challenge, at all. You're too much a
simpleton to present any challenge.

>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Rudy P. Canoza wrote:
>>>
>>>> You believe in "multiple lives". You're ****witted, stupid and weird.
>>> How do you think you know whether there are
>>> multiple lives or not, Rudy?

>> *YOU* believe in them, Goo/****wit, but you have no evidence to support your ****witted, evidence-free belief. You're stupid.

>
> No Rudy,


Yes, Goober: *YOU* believe in multiple lives, despite
not having any evidence to support your belief. It is
very well established in your [ahem] "writings".
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Rudy,
I really think you need to take a course in animal husbantry at Cornell
U. before you say another word. It apears you know nothing about
animals. ot even the basics.
1)Pigs raised on a factory farm have no life.
Their teath are filed down, tails cut, ears notched, all this with no
pain killers.
They are fed a High fat diet so they gain weight fast and be ready for
the table within a year. This causes heart dease and many other health
problems for the animals. YES WE ARE WHAT WE EAT!
The Pig is raped more than any other factory farm animal.
The pig can live over 30yrs. but on a factory farm they only live up to
a year, if they are lucky.
GREAT LIFE!
2) The beef Cow is fattened fast and ready for the table in a year or
less. Dairy cows are fed steroids to produce milk nonstop. When they do
they are bread til they can't anymore then turned into animal food.
Calvs are taken from their mothers as soon as they are born and fed a
bland diet to keep the meat (veal) tender. Then they are killed within
weeks of being born.
YES A GREAT LIFE! Considering a cow can live up to 50yrs or more.
3)Cickens on a farm are the worse off I think. Males are killed a birth
on an egg farm. Hens are de-beaked and de-clawed. Fryers are fattened
and ready for the table in a month or more. Those that can't produce are
killed on the spot.
All these animals are processed half dead. They blead out while they
are alive and witness others around them being killed.
Gee, Rudy, I wonder what you consider a "Good Life?"
I don't think I want to find out.
Eddie



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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:20 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:08:25 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, the overly challenged, horribly inept Goober wrote
>>in confusion:
>>
>>>dh challenged a horribly inept Goober:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, an impressively stupid Goober wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You believe in "multiple lives".
>>>>
>>>> How do you think you know whether there are
>>>> multiple lives or not, Goo?
>>>
>>>*YOU*

>>
>> No Goober, you poor idiot. How do you think *YOU*
>>know whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo?

>
>multiple lives


Billions of people do believe in them Goober,
regardless of what I believe or your stupid as hell
and dishonest "interpetation" of it.

The challenge you fail completely and consistently
is attempting to explain how *YOU* think you know
whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo, so
explain how you think you found out. Go:
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Goo - ****wit David Harrison, stupid lying cracker -
lied and presented no challenge:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:20 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>
>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, stupid lying cracker - lied and presented no challenge:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Rudy M. Canoza wrote:
>>>
>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, stupid lying cracker - lied and presented no challenge:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Rudy X. Canoza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You believe in "multiple lives".
>>>>> How do you think you know whether there are
>>>>> multiple lives or not, Goo?
>>>> *YOU* believe in multiple lives, Goo/****wit.

>
> Billions of people do believe in them Rudy,


Why do *YOU* believe in them, Goo? You stupid ****wit.
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