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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
marques de sade wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:37 -0800, Rudy Canoza > > wrote: > >> dh@. wrote: >>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:56:42 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:01:25 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> it's not like the entity is worse off in the state of nothingness >>>>>> (that is what you suggest). >>>>> Obviously I'm not one of the billions of people who believe >>>>> in multiple lives or I would have explained why years ago. >>>> thanks for ackowledging that your contentions are faith-based... >>> Why does pointing out that I'm not one of billions of people >>> who believe something, make you think I do have faith in >>> anything? >>> >>>> we might actually get somewhere if we all know where we stand. >>> Maybe, but Rudy could never even acknowledge >>> the fact that I don't have any belief either way about the >>> possibility of multiple lives, >> That's a lie: >> >> The soul is created separate from the body it will >> reside in--if that is the case, then it is almost >> certain that if people stop raising animals for >> food, the souls that would have resided in the food >> animals, will be born to other bodies instead. My >> argument with that is: maybe the animals that are >> being raised and eaten by humans, are providing the >> life experiences for souls that would have >> otherwise been born in wild habitats that humans >> have destroyed. >> Goo/****wit - 12 Jan 2000 http://tinyurl.com/2psrpw >> >> >> You believe in "multiple lives". You're ****witted, >> stupid and weird. > > > great quote... i wonder if he'll say it was a mistake... It is as if Goo/****wit sends me a FedEx shipment of new quotes that damage his case every few weeks. What's great about the one above is that it completely contradicts something he wrote just in the last couple of weeks: [aras] want people to belive [sic] things like instead of being born a dairy cow, it could have been born a happy "free" cow, so I point out that it would not. Probably the reason you have the problem, is because you also want to believe that if "animal rights" were put in place, those same animals would exist as free ones. That's not the case. In fact, the vast majority of the quotes I've collected from Goo****wit are older ones that completely contradict the bullshit yarn he's trying to spin now. For example, Goo****wit regularly bullshits that it is only "lives of positive value" (bleagh - Goo****wit really writes horribly) that he wants to promote for farm animals, but I have several older quotes that *prove*, beyond dispute, that it is life per se, irrespective of quality, that he considers to be a "benefit" to farm animals: *Whatever* life they get they are lucky to get it...even if it's only six weeks like a fryer. ****wit - 09/04/1999 All of that has nothing to do with how many actually get to live. But that is why I feel that every thing that gets to be born is lucky in the respect that it *did* get to be born, since the odds are infinite against all of us that *we* will actually get to experience life. ****wit - 12/11/1999 Then I guess raising billions of animals for food provides billions of beings with a place in eternity. I'm happy to contribute to at least some of it. ****wit - 04/12/2002 But it's still every bit as morally acceptable for humans to kill animals for food, as it is for any other animals to do so imo. And in fact more so, since we provide life for most of the animals we kill. ****wit - 04/20/2002 Life is the benefit that makes all others possible. ****wit - 06/25/2003 (and numerous other posts) Okay: Existence, and then life itself are the most important benefits for any being. Though life itself is a necessary benefit for all beings, the individual life experiences of the animals are completely different things and not necessarily a benefit for every animal, depending on the particular things that they experience. ****wit - 03/22/2005 For each of basic descriptions that I have made about Goo****wit's weird, irrational beliefs concerning farm animals - that his focus is on "future" farm animals, rather than ones already existing - that he considers coming into existence per se to be the big benefit, rather than the quality of existence once it begins - that he considers non-existent, "future" farm animals to be capable of experiencing "loss", "deprivation", "unfairness" and "denial" *before* they exist for each of those, I have at least four quotes from him showing that he believes those goofy, irrational things; and yet he'll continue to lie and say he doesn't. He's also lying when he calls any of the quotes a "mistake" in terminology, or any other kind of mistake. They are not any kind of mistake in terms of expressing what he really believes. Taken together, they weave a very complete, detailed exposition of what his ****witted, goofy beliefs are concerning animals. |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:16:05 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:14:58 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:56:42 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:15:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:01:25 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >>>> >>>>>it's not like the entity is worse off in the state of nothingness >>>>>(that is what you suggest). >>>> >>>> Obviously I'm not one of the billions of people who believe >>>>in multiple lives or I would have explained why years ago. >>> >>>thanks for ackowledging that your contentions are faith-based... >> >> Why does pointing out that I'm not one of billions of people >>who believe something, make you think I do have faith in >>anything? > >you appeared to imply that you believed in 'one incarnation per >soul'... as opposed to 'multiple lives per soul' I consider both possibilities. >>>we might actually get somewhere if we all know where we stand. >> >> Maybe, but the Goober > >i'm snipping the rest... this isn't about canoza right now... > >first rephrase the part about you not believing in multiple >lives... do you believe in a soul, period... and if you do, is >that soul eternal and sort of waiting in limbo for incarnation, or >does it begin at the time life(incarnation) begins... >octinomos · If there is anything more than this life on Earth for us, then there must be some type of "self" for each of us that is not dependant on our body to maintain its existence. For convenience, I will refer to this hypothetical "self" as a "soul". Since it is not known whether this "soul" actually exists or not, imo there are three possibilities: 1) There is no soul--if that is the case, the *individual* animals are totally dependant on the particular sperm and egg that unite, for their life and individuality. If humans stop controlling the breeding of animals, all of the individuals that would have been born if we had continued will instead never have that experience regardless of how many animals are born wild, since they are unrelated groups. 2) The soul is created at some point in the development of the individual being--if that is the case, what I said in the previous example is also true in this case imo. 3) The soul is created separate from the body it will reside in--if that is the case, then it is almost certain that if people stop raising animals for food, the souls that would have resided in the food animals, will be born to other bodies instead. If this is indeed the case, maybe the animals that are being raised and eaten by humans are providing the life experiences for souls that would have otherwise been born in wild habitats that humans have destroyed. · |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:37 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>You believe in "multiple lives". How do you think you know whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo? |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:18:28 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:12:01 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:58:00 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:46:52 -0500, dh@. wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:07:20 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >>>> >>>>>dh wonders: >>>>> >>>>>>wonder what could have caused you to unlearn. >>>>> >>>>>that's before i saw you do it myself. >>>> >>>> You never have seen me do "it". >>>> >>>>>before i always thought he was misquoting you... >>>> >>>> Why won't you tell the truth? You have gone from >>>>understanding and acknowledging the situation, to >>>>some insane obsession about non-existent "entities" >>>>just like the Goober. You claim to have UNlearned, >>>>plus now when I use the term NOTHING you make >>>>up things imagining it to mean something completely >>>>different than nothing, as you dream of an existence >>>>prior to conception on Earth. Now of course it looks >>>>like as you do things, you get worse at doing them >>>>instead of better. >>> >>>i understand it all now... >> >> Maybe. But that certainly doesn't mean you'll be >>honest about it if you do. >> >>>you're blending your argument about a >>>creator with your argument in favor of butchery of critters... >> >> How do you think so? >> >> On that subject: I don't believe it's likely a creator >>would be in some part or somehow possibly all of >>everything in the universe, as you've led me to >>believe you do, but I do believe it's likely that >>he might have some part in some/many/all >>living creatures. > >i see it all as one... no division whatsoever... not even between >the material and the spiritual... The biggest question is why you would want to believe something like that. Why would you, do you know? >it's all one... everything, >everyone, the stars, the skies, the oceans, the rocks, the birds, >you, me, turtles, you name it... >octinomos Some things have spirit and consciousness and some don't. Of course if you can't even get that far with it then you don't have much hope of being able to make a distinction between which things do and which do not, of course. |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at
Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:37 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote: > >> You believe in "multiple lives". > > How do you think you know whether there are > multiple lives or not *YOU* believe in them, Goo/****wit, but you have no evidence to support your ****witted, evidence-free belief. You're stupid. |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at
Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:18:28 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: > >> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge: >> >>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:58:00 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >>> >>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:07:20 GMT, (marques de sade) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker at Lake Lanier - lied and presented no challenge: >>>>>> >>>>>>> wonder what could have caused you to unlearn. >>>>>> that's before i saw you do it myself. >>>>> You never have seen me do "it". >>>>> >>>>>> before i always thought he was misquoting you... >>>>> Why won't you tell the truth? You have gone from >>>>> understanding and acknowledging the situation, to >>>>> some insane obsession about non-existent "entities" >>>>> just like the Goober. You claim to have UNlearned, >>>>> plus now when I use the term NOTHING you make >>>>> up things imagining it to mean something completely >>>>> different than nothing, as you dream of an existence >>>>> prior to conception on Earth. Now of course it looks >>>>> like as you do things, you get worse at doing them >>>>> instead of better. >>>> i understand it all now... >>> Maybe. But that certainly doesn't mean you'll be >>> honest about it if you do. >>> >>>> you're blending your argument about a >>>> creator with your argument in favor of butchery of critters... >>> How do you think so? >>> >>> On that subject: I don't believe it's likely a creator >>> would be in some part or somehow possibly all of >>> everything in the universe, as you've led me to >>> believe you do, but I do believe it's likely that >>> he might have some part in some/many/all >>> living creatures. >> i see it all as one... no division whatsoever... not even between >> the material and the spiritual... > > The biggest question is why you would want to believe > something like that. It's no wackier than any of your weird bullshit beliefs, Goo/****wit. >> it's all one... everything, >> everyone, the stars, the skies, the oceans, the rocks, the birds, >> you, me, turtles, you name it... >> octinomos > > Some things have spirit and consciousness and some > don't. You don't. |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, the overly challenged, horribly inept Goober wrote
in confusion: >dh challenged a horribly inept Goober: > >> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, an impressively stupid Goober wrote: >> >>> You believe in "multiple lives". >> >> How do you think you know whether there are >> multiple lives or not, Goo? > >*YOU* No Goober, you poor idiot. How do you think *YOU* know whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo? |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker in
a state full of stupid crackers - lied and presented no challenge: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Rudy M. Canoza wrote: > >> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, the stupidest cracker in a state full of stupid crackers - lied and presented no challenge: You presented no challenge, Goo. You have never presented a challenge, at all. You're too much a simpleton to present any challenge. >> >>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Rudy P. Canoza wrote: >>> >>>> You believe in "multiple lives". You're ****witted, stupid and weird. >>> How do you think you know whether there are >>> multiple lives or not, Rudy? >> *YOU* believe in them, Goo/****wit, but you have no evidence to support your ****witted, evidence-free belief. You're stupid. > > No Rudy, Yes, Goober: *YOU* believe in multiple lives, despite not having any evidence to support your belief. It is very well established in your [ahem] "writings". |
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Eating animal products
Rudy,
I really think you need to take a course in animal husbantry at Cornell U. before you say another word. It apears you know nothing about animals. ot even the basics. 1)Pigs raised on a factory farm have no life. Their teath are filed down, tails cut, ears notched, all this with no pain killers. They are fed a High fat diet so they gain weight fast and be ready for the table within a year. This causes heart dease and many other health problems for the animals. YES WE ARE WHAT WE EAT! The Pig is raped more than any other factory farm animal. The pig can live over 30yrs. but on a factory farm they only live up to a year, if they are lucky. GREAT LIFE! 2) The beef Cow is fattened fast and ready for the table in a year or less. Dairy cows are fed steroids to produce milk nonstop. When they do they are bread til they can't anymore then turned into animal food. Calvs are taken from their mothers as soon as they are born and fed a bland diet to keep the meat (veal) tender. Then they are killed within weeks of being born. YES A GREAT LIFE! Considering a cow can live up to 50yrs or more. 3)Cickens on a farm are the worse off I think. Males are killed a birth on an egg farm. Hens are de-beaked and de-clawed. Fryers are fattened and ready for the table in a month or more. Those that can't produce are killed on the spot. All these animals are processed half dead. They blead out while they are alive and witness others around them being killed. Gee, Rudy, I wonder what you consider a "Good Life?" I don't think I want to find out. Eddie |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:20 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:08:25 -0500, dh@. wrote: > >>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, the overly challenged, horribly inept Goober wrote >>in confusion: >> >>>dh challenged a horribly inept Goober: >>> >>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, an impressively stupid Goober wrote: >>>> >>>>> You believe in "multiple lives". >>>> >>>> How do you think you know whether there are >>>> multiple lives or not, Goo? >>> >>>*YOU* >> >> No Goober, you poor idiot. How do you think *YOU* >>know whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo? > >multiple lives Billions of people do believe in them Goober, regardless of what I believe or your stupid as hell and dishonest "interpetation" of it. The challenge you fail completely and consistently is attempting to explain how *YOU* think you know whether there are multiple lives or not, Goo, so explain how you think you found out. Go: |
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Eating animal products (was: Satan as a Composite Entity/Being?)
Goo - ****wit David Harrison, stupid lying cracker -
lied and presented no challenge: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:20 -0800, Rudy Canoza > wrote: > >> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, stupid lying cracker - lied and presented no challenge: >> >>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Rudy M. Canoza wrote: >>> >>>> Goo - ****wit David Harrison, stupid lying cracker - lied and presented no challenge: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Rudy X. Canoza wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You believe in "multiple lives". >>>>> How do you think you know whether there are >>>>> multiple lives or not, Goo? >>>> *YOU* believe in multiple lives, Goo/****wit. > > Billions of people do believe in them Rudy, Why do *YOU* believe in them, Goo? You stupid ****wit. |
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