what about the plants rights?
Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
We can't live without diversity!
But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
At some point they are even smarter than we!
SO,
they need it to have rights!
And I hope very fast!

BTW
Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!
Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!


They are not here for suffering!

lid wrote:
> what about the plants rights?
> Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!

Okay then. That's what I thought.

> We can't live without diversity!

I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
much all traditionally eaten meats.

> But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!

They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
food.

> So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?

The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
and a nice red wine.

> Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!

And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to live.

> At some point they are even smarter than we!

Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my hunting
efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the less
smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
ones.

> SO,
> they need it to have rights!

They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.

> And I hope very fast!
>
> BTW
> Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!

Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a way
of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
possibility of my families short term and long term survival.

> Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!

My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.

>
>
> They are not here for suffering!

Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
meat quality as the animal slowly dies.

The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
even dead.

TC

thunder-lice.

wrote:
> lid wrote:
> > what about the plants rights?
> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
>
> Okay then. That's what I thought.
>
> > We can't live without diversity!
>
> I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
> much all traditionally eaten meats.
>
> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
>
> They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
> food.
>
> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
>
> The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
> and a nice red wine.
>
> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
>
> And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
> is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to live.
>
> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
>
> Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my hunting
> efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the less
> smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
> ones.
>
> > SO,
> > they need it to have rights!
>
> They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
> matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
> whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.
>
> > And I hope very fast!
> >
> > BTW
> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!
>
> Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a way
> of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
> or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
> nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
> possibility of my families short term and long term survival.
>
> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!
>
> My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.
>
> >
> >
> > They are not here for suffering!
>
> Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
> animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
> quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
> clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
> meat quality as the animal slowly dies.
>
> The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
> way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
> animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
> predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
> water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
> even dead.
>
> TC

wha....?

Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> thunder-lice.
>
> wrote:
> > lid wrote:
> > > what about the plants rights?
> > > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> >
> > Okay then. That's what I thought.
> >
> > > We can't live without diversity!
> >
> > I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
> > much all traditionally eaten meats.
> >
> > > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> >
> > They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
> > food.
> >
> > > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> >
> > The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
> > and a nice red wine.
> >
> > > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> >
> > And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
> > is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to live.
> >
> > > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> >
> > Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my hunting
> > efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the less
> > smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
> > ones.
> >
> > > SO,
> > > they need it to have rights!
> >
> > They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
> > matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
> > whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.
> >
> > > And I hope very fast!
> > >
> > > BTW
> > > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!
> >
> > Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a way
> > of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
> > or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
> > nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
> > possibility of my families short term and long term survival.
> >
> > > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!
> >
> > My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > They are not here for suffering!
> >
> > Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
> > animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
> > quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
> > clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
> > meat quality as the animal slowly dies.
> >
> > The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
> > way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
> > animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
> > predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
> > water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
> > even dead.
> >
> > TC

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> wha....?
>
> Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> > thunder-lice.
> >
> > wrote:
> > > lid wrote:
> > > > what about the plants rights?
> > > > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > >
> > > Okay then. That's what I thought.
> > >
> > > > We can't live without diversity!
> > >
> > > I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
> > > much all traditionally eaten meats.
> > >
> > > > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > >
> > > They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
> > > food.
> > >
> > > > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > >
> > > The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
> > > and a nice red wine.
> > >
> > > > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > >
> > > And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
> > > is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to
live.
> > >
> > > > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > >
> > > Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my
hunting
> > > efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the
less
> > > smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
> > > ones.
> > >
> > > > SO,
> > > > they need it to have rights!
> > >
> > > They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
> > > matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
> > > whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.
> > >
> > > > And I hope very fast!
> > > >
> > > > BTW
> > > > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
MINUTE MAN!!!
> > >
> > > Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a
way
> > > of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
> > > or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
> > > nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
> > > possibility of my families short term and long term survival.
> > >
> > > > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't
think so!
> > >
> > > My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They are not here for suffering!
> > >
> > > Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
> > > animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
> > > quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
> > > clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
> > > meat quality as the animal slowly dies.
> > >
> > > The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
> > > way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
> > > animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
> > > predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
> > > water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
> > > even dead.
> > >
> > > TC
>

<plonk!>

nemo wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > wha....?
> >
> > Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> > > thunder-lice.
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > lid wrote:
> > > > > what about the plants rights?
> > > > > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > > >
> > > > Okay then. That's what I thought.
> > > >
> > > > > We can't live without diversity!
> > > >
> > > > I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
> > > > much all traditionally eaten meats.
> > > >
> > > > > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > > >
> > > > They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
> > > > food.
> > > >
> > > > > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > > >
> > > > The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
> > > > and a nice red wine.
> > > >
> > > > > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > > >
> > > > And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
> > > > is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to
> live.
> > > >
> > > > > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > > >
> > > > Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my
> hunting
> > > > efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the
> less
> > > > smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
> > > > ones.
> > > >
> > > > > SO,
> > > > > they need it to have rights!
> > > >
> > > > They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
> > > > matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
> > > > whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.
> > > >
> > > > > And I hope very fast!
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW
> > > > > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
> MINUTE MAN!!!
> > > >
> > > > Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a
> way
> > > > of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
> > > > or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
> > > > nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
> > > > possibility of my families short term and long term survival.
> > > >
> > > > > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't
> think so!
> > > >
> > > > My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They are not here for suffering!
> > > >
> > > > Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
> > > > animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
> > > > quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
> > > > clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
> > > > meat quality as the animal slowly dies.
> > > >
> > > > The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
> > > > way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
> > > > animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
> > > > predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
> > > > water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
> > > > even dead.
> > > >
> > > > TC
> >
>

> <plonk!>

What an eloquent argument.

TC

wrote:
> nemo wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > wha....?
> > >
> > > Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> > > > thunder-lice.
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > lid wrote:
> > > > > > what about the plants rights?
> > > > > > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay then. That's what I thought.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We can't live without diversity!
> > > > >
> > > > > I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
> > > > > much all traditionally eaten meats.
> > > > >
> > > > > > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > > > >
> > > > > They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
> > > > > food.
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > > > >
> > > > > The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
> > > > > and a nice red wine.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > > > >
> > > > > And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
> > > > > is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to
> > live.
> > > > >
> > > > > > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > > > >
> > > > > Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my
> > hunting
> > > > > efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the
> > less
> > > > > smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
> > > > > ones.
> > > > >
> > > > > > SO,
> > > > > > they need it to have rights!
> > > > >
> > > > > They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
> > > > > matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
> > > > > whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And I hope very fast!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW
> > > > > > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
> > MINUTE MAN!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a
> > way
> > > > > of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
> > > > > or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
> > > > > nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
> > > > > possibility of my families short term and long term survival.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't
> > think so!
> > > > >
> > > > > My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are not here for suffering!
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
> > > > > animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
> > > > > quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
> > > > > clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
> > > > > meat quality as the animal slowly dies.
> > > > >
> > > > > The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
> > > > > way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
> > > > > animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
> > > > > predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
> > > > > water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
> > > > > even dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > TC
> > >
> >
>
> > <plonk!>
>
> What an eloquent argument.
>
> TC

thunder's views are ro repugnant that no one is gonna debate them--
---waste of time.

Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> wrote:
> > nemo wrote:
> > > > wrote in message
> > > oups.com...
> > > > wha....?
> > > >
> > > > Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> > > > > thunder-lice.
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > lid wrote:
> > > > > > > what about the plants rights?
> > > > > > > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Okay then. That's what I thought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can't live without diversity!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I enjoy diversity. I love beef, pork, chicken, rabbit, fish.... pretty
> > > > > > much all traditionally eaten meats.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are both living things and they both are used by other species as
> > > > > > food.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The right to be grilled to medium rare and served with garlic butter
> > > > > > and a nice red wine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And plants aren't genetically wired to live and survive? Their purpose
> > > > > > is to procreate, just like animals. My guess is that they want to
> > > live.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good for them. Then they will be able to avoid my snares and my
> > > hunting
> > > > > > efforts and avoid being domesticated fand raised for food. But the
> > > less
> > > > > > smarter ones that don't get away will still taste as good as the smart
> > > > > > ones.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > SO,
> > > > > > > they need it to have rights!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They have the same rights as any prey animal. Or any animal for that
> > > > > > matter. We all can succumb to death from outside forces eventually,
> > > > > > whether as prey or accidentally or otherwise. Same rights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I hope very fast!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW
> > > > > > > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
> > > MINUTE MAN!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh well. I can't control that and neither can you. But nature has a
> > > way
> > > > > > of culling the herd and that usually means the weakest, the stupidest
> > > > > > or the sick and the nutritionally depleted idiots who only eat a
> > > > > > nutritionally poor vegan diet. By eating meat, I am strengthening the
> > > > > > possibility of my families short term and long term survival.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't
> > > think so!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My family will. If we have to raise and butcher them ourselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They are not here for suffering!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not to worry. Most animal husbanders agree with you and provide their
> > > > > > animals with good quality creature comforts and dispatch them as
> > > > > > quickly and as humanely as possible. And most hunters want a god quick
> > > > > > clean kill so as to not lose the animal or have to waste time and lose
> > > > > > meat quality as the animal slowly dies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The goal is quality meat, and that requires a humane death. Which is
> > > > > > way more consideration given than in nature when animals kill other
> > > > > > animals, now that is brutal stuff. Wolves, larger cats and other
> > > > > > predators have been known for starting to eat the larger prey (like
> > > > > > water buffalo, dear, elk, etc.) from the rump forward before they are
> > > > > > even dead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TC
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > <plonk!>
> >
> > What an eloquent argument.
> >
> > TC
>
> thunder's views are ro repugnant that no one is gonna debate them--
> ---waste of time.

In the absence of a credible argument silence reigns.

TC

lid wrote:
> what about the plants rights?
> Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> We can't live without diversity!
> But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> At some point they are even smarter than we!
> SO,
> they need it to have rights!
> And I hope very fast!
>
> BTW
> Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!
> Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!
>
>
> They are not here for suffering!

Well, the way I see it that since everything alive has rights of some
kind of other, the only "ethical" foodstuff you can eat is salt, which
is inorganic...

Enjoy your salt, while I tuck into a very tasty chili con carne (yep,
meat included).

Dragonblaze

- God? I'm no God. God has mercy. -

Dragonblaze wrote:
> lid wrote:
> > what about the plants rights?
> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > We can't live without diversity!
> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > SO,
> > they need it to have rights!
> > And I hope very fast!
> >
> > BTW
> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!
> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!
> >
> >
> > They are not here for suffering!
>
> Well, the way I see it that since everything alive has rights of some
> kind of other, the only "ethical" foodstuff you can eat is salt, which
> is inorganic...
>
> Enjoy your salt, while I tuck into a very tasty chili con carne (yep,
> meat included).
>
> Dragonblaze
>
> - God? I'm no God. God has mercy. -

Oh oh. I found an ethical reason to not eat salt. Animals need salt to
live. If we eat all the salt we may be causing some animals to do
without. That makes us killers by indirect means. Murderers, all of us.

TC

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Dragonblaze wrote:
> > lid wrote:
> > > what about the plants rights?
> > > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > > We can't live without diversity!
> > > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > > SO,
> > > they need it to have rights!
> > > And I hope very fast!
> > >
> > > BTW
> > > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
MINUTE MAN!!!
> > > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think
so!
> > >
> > >
> > > They are not here for suffering!
> >
> > Well, the way I see it that since everything alive has rights of some
> > kind of other, the only "ethical" foodstuff you can eat is salt, which
> > is inorganic...
> >
> > Enjoy your salt, while I tuck into a very tasty chili con carne (yep,
> > meat included).
> >
> > Dragonblaze
> >
> > - God? I'm no God. God has mercy. -
>
> Oh oh. I found an ethical reason to not eat salt. Animals need salt to
> live. If we eat all the salt we may be causing some animals to do
> without. That makes us killers by indirect means. Murderers, all of us.
>

Look! Look! He's eating the Terminator's nose!!!!!!

Chilli Conk Arnie!

D

lid wrote:

> what about the plants rights?
> Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> We can't live without diversity!
> But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> At some point they are even smarter than we!
> SO,
> they need it to have rights!
> And I hope very fast!
>
> BTW
> Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE MAN!!!
> Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!
>
>
> They are not here for suffering!

billiemissy wrote:
obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop animals and
plants suffering.
maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say

"billiemissy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> lid wrote:
>
> > what about the plants rights?
> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> > We can't live without diversity!
> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> > SO,
> > they need it to have rights!
> > And I hope very fast!
> >
> > BTW
> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE
MAN!!!
> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think
so!
> >
> >
> > They are not here for suffering!
>
> billiemissy wrote:
> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop animals and
> plants suffering.
> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
>

I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep, chickens etc. is
that that I've not eaten?

Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have increased hugely
during those 45 years. How many animals has that saved from being born into
hellish lives of exploitation and suffering?

It's people's individual decisions that make the difference.

"nemo" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "billiemissy" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> lid wrote:
>>
>> > what about the plants rights?
>> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
>> > We can't live without diversity!
>> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very
>> > well!
>> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
>> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
>> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
>> > SO,
>> > they need it to have rights!
>> > And I hope very fast!
>> >
>> > BTW
>> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world,
>> > EVERY MINUTE
> MAN!!!
>> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I
>> > don't think
> so!
>> >
>> >
>> > They are not here for suffering!
>>
>> billiemissy wrote:
>> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop
>> animals and
>> plants suffering.
>> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
>>
>
> I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep,
> chickens etc. is
> that that I've not eaten?
=======================
Who cares, the fact remains that you killed far more animals to
replace the few that you did not eat. And, those animals died a
far more brutal, inhumane death. I suggest your diet has fried
your brain, and the 2 remaining brain cells are sputtering,
killer.


>
> Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have
> increased hugely
> during those 45 years. How many animals has that saved from
> being born into
> hellish lives of exploitation and suffering?
==============================
Just so you could kill many more far more brutally. Quite the
compasionate fool you are there, hypocrite.

>
> It's people's individual decisions that make the difference.
=====================
Yes, but yours just kills more animals than necessary, hypocrite.
Thanks for proving it yet again...

>
>

Cockroaches, being an insect, are also animals. Would you honestly suggest
that it's cruel to terminate their life, too?

> wrote in message
...
> what about the plants rights?
> Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> We can't live without diversity!
> But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> At some point they are even smarter than we!
> SO,
> they need it to have rights!
> And I hope very fast!
>
> BTW
> Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE
> MAN!!!
> Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think so!
>
>
> They are not here for suffering!
>
>

"nemo" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "billiemissy" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> lid wrote:
>>
>> > what about the plants rights?
>> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
>> > We can't live without diversity!
>> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
>> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
>> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
>> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
>> > SO,
>> > they need it to have rights!
>> > And I hope very fast!
>> >
>> > BTW
>> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY MINUTE
> MAN!!!
>> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't think
> so!
>> >
>> >
>> > They are not here for suffering!
>>
>> billiemissy wrote:
>> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop animals and
>> plants suffering.
>> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
>>
>
> I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep, chickens etc.
> is
> that that I've not eaten?
>
> Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have increased hugely
> during those 45 years.

In my opinion, that's due in large part to public health concerns rather
than animal rights concerns.

"rick" > wrote in message
nk.net...
>
> "nemo" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "billiemissy" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >> lid wrote:
> >>
> >> > what about the plants rights?
> >> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> >> > We can't live without diversity!
> >> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very
> >> > well!
> >> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> >> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> >> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> >> > SO,
> >> > they need it to have rights!
> >> > And I hope very fast!
> >> >
> >> > BTW
> >> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world,
> >> > EVERY MINUTE
> > MAN!!!
> >> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I
> >> > don't think
> > so!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They are not here for suffering!
> >>
> >> billiemissy wrote:
> >> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop
> >> animals and
> >> plants suffering.
> >> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
> >>
> >
> > I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep,
> > chickens etc. is
> > that that I've not eaten?
> =======================
> Who cares, the fact remains that you killed far more animals to
> replace the few that you did not eat. And, those animals died a
> far more brutal, inhumane death. I suggest your diet has fried
> your brain, and the 2 remaining brain cells are sputtering,
> killer.
>
>
> >
> > Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have
> > increased hugely
> > during those 45 years. How many animals has that saved from
> > being born into
> > hellish lives of exploitation and suffering?
> ==============================
> Just so you could kill many more far more brutally. Quite the
> compasionate fool you are there, hypocrite.
>
> >
> > It's people's individual decisions that make the difference.
> =====================
> Yes, but yours just kills more animals than necessary, hypocrite.
> Thanks for proving it yet again...
>
Rubbish! Total and utter rubbish!

Yor barmey!

"Scott Smith" > wrote in message
news
> Cockroaches, being an insect, are also animals. Would you honestly suggest
> that it's cruel to terminate their life, too?
>

Gotcha.

The latest cockroach insecticide they use makes them infertile and the
colony dies off naturally.

I don't think much of that Aussie device though which electrocutes them. I
suppose it's quick though.

What I do *not* approve of is glue traps. These are available for everything
now from cockroaches to rats. How many people would have the bottle to
dispatch a live rat stuck on a glue trap? No. They'd throw the trap plus rat
or whatever into the rubbish where the animal would die a slow, lingering
death. This is cruel and totally unacceptable.

You're wasting your time trying to catch me out, sunshine!

"Scott Smith" > wrote in message
news
>
> "nemo" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "billiemissy" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >> lid wrote:
> >>
> >> > what about the plants rights?
> >> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
> >> > We can't live without diversity!
> >> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
> >> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
> >> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
> >> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
> >> > SO,
> >> > they need it to have rights!
> >> > And I hope very fast!
> >> >
> >> > BTW
> >> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
MINUTE
> > MAN!!!
> >> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't
think
> > so!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They are not here for suffering!
> >>
> >> billiemissy wrote:
> >> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop animals and
> >> plants suffering.
> >> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
> >>
> >
> > I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep, chickens etc.
> > is
> > that that I've not eaten?
> >
> > Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have increased hugely
> > during those 45 years.
>
> In my opinion, that's due in large part to public health concerns rather
> than animal rights concerns.
>
Your oppinion, like your grey matter, is seriously flawed.

"nemo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "rick" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
>>
>> "nemo" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >
>> > "billiemissy" > wrote in message
>> > oups.com...
>> >> lid wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > what about the plants rights?
>> >> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
>> >> > We can't live without diversity!
>> >> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very
>> >> > well!
>> >> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
>> >> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to
>> >> > live!
>> >> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
>> >> > SO,
>> >> > they need it to have rights!
>> >> > And I hope very fast!
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW
>> >> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this
>> >> > world,
>> >> > EVERY MINUTE
>> > MAN!!!
>> >> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years?
>> >> > I
>> >> > don't think
>> > so!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > They are not here for suffering!
>> >>
>> >> billiemissy wrote:
>> >> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop
>> >> animals and
>> >> plants suffering.
>> >> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
>> >>
>> >
>> > I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep,
>> > chickens etc. is
>> > that that I've not eaten?
>> =======================
>> Who cares, the fact remains that you killed far more animals
>> to
>> replace the few that you did not eat. And, those animals died
>> a
>> far more brutal, inhumane death. I suggest your diet has
>> fried
>> your brain, and the 2 remaining brain cells are sputtering,
>> killer.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have
>> > increased hugely
>> > during those 45 years. How many animals has that saved from
>> > being born into
>> > hellish lives of exploitation and suffering?
>> ==============================
>> Just so you could kill many more far more brutally. Quite the
>> compasionate fool you are there, hypocrite.
>>
>> >
>> > It's people's individual decisions that make the difference.
>> =====================
>> Yes, but yours just kills more animals than necessary,
>> hypocrite.
>> Thanks for proving it yet again...
>>
> Rubbish! Total and utter rubbish!
===================
Then it should be quite easy for you to refute what I have said,
huh fool? Oh yeah, supposedly your saying 'rubbish' is all you
have. Thanks for proving your ignorance and stupidity even more,
killer...


>
> Yor barmey!
====================
And you're still willfully ignorant and terminally stupid.


>
>

"nemo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Scott Smith" > wrote in message
> news
>> Cockroaches, being an insect, are also animals. Would you
>> honestly suggest
>> that it's cruel to terminate their life, too?
>>
>
> Gotcha.
>
> The latest cockroach insecticide they use makes them infertile
> and the
> colony dies off naturally.
>
> I don't think much of that Aussie device though which
> electrocutes them. I
> suppose it's quick though.
>
> What I do *not* approve of is glue traps. These are available
> for everything
> now from cockroaches to rats. How many people would have the
> bottle to
> dispatch a live rat stuck on a glue trap? No. They'd throw the
> trap plus rat
> or whatever into the rubbish where the animal would die a slow,
> lingering
> death. This is cruel and totally unacceptable.
====================
LOL Just like the animals that die to keep your veggies clean,
cheap and convienent, and how the animals die to provide for your
selfish entertainment, eh fool?
Thanks for again proving you have nothing but emotional baggage
and ignorance of fact.


>
> You're wasting your time trying to catch me out, sunshine!
===================
Too late fool. You're ignorance and hypocrisy are already laid
bare for the world to see, killer..

>
>

"nemo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Scott Smith" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> "nemo" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >
>> > "billiemissy" > wrote in message
>> > oups.com...
>> >> lid wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > what about the plants rights?
>> >> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
>> >> > We can't live without diversity!
>> >> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very
>> >> > well!
>> >> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
>> >> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to
>> >> > live!
>> >> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
>> >> > SO,
>> >> > they need it to have rights!
>> >> > And I hope very fast!
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW
>> >> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this
>> >> > world, EVERY
> MINUTE
>> > MAN!!!
>> >> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years?
>> >> > I don't
> think
>> > so!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > They are not here for suffering!
>> >>
>> >> billiemissy wrote:
>> >> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop
>> >> animals and
>> >> plants suffering.
>> >> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
>> >>
>> >
>> > I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep,
>> > chickens etc.
>> > is
>> > that that I've not eaten?
>> >
>> > Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have
>> > increased hugely
>> > during those 45 years.
>>
>> In my opinion, that's due in large part to public health
>> concerns rather
>> than animal rights concerns.
>>
> Your oppinion, like your grey matter, is seriously flawed.
============================
LOL This from somebody that vonly has 2 brain cells left, and
doesn't even know how to use them. What a maroon...


>
>

"nemo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Scott Smith" > wrote in message
> news
>> Cockroaches, being an insect, are also animals. Would you honestly
>> suggest
>> that it's cruel to terminate their life, too?
>>
>
> Gotcha.
>
> The latest cockroach insecticide they use makes them infertile and the
> colony dies off naturally.
>
> I don't think much of that Aussie device though which electrocutes them. I
> suppose it's quick though.
>
> What I do *not* approve of is glue traps. These are available for
> everything
> now from cockroaches to rats. How many people would have the bottle to
> dispatch a live rat stuck on a glue trap? No. They'd throw the trap plus
> rat
> or whatever into the rubbish where the animal would die a slow, lingering
> death. This is cruel and totally unacceptable.

It probably just depends on the value a person attributes to an animal
considered pestilent, I suppose. In America, it will probably be a very,
very long time before cruelty to cockroaches (or any other insect) is
outlawed, that is unless it's added to the endangered species list, perhaps.

Incidentally, what's your perspective on some carnivores (eg. wolves, lions,
etc.) consuming other animals in the wild? In your view, do you feel man
should intervene in some respect?

"nemo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Scott Smith" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> "nemo" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >
>> > "billiemissy" > wrote in message
>> > oups.com...
>> >> lid wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > what about the plants rights?
>> >> > Ofcourse they need rights and RESPECT!
>> >> > We can't live without diversity!
>> >> > But it's not the same as animals! ANd you knows that very well!
>> >> > So, you better ask "Do animals have rights"?
>> >> > Animals can't speak but just like we, they all want to live!
>> >> > At some point they are even smarter than we!
>> >> > SO,
>> >> > they need it to have rights!
>> >> > And I hope very fast!
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW
>> >> > Every minute we grow with about 147 people in this world, EVERY
> MINUTE
>> > MAN!!!
>> >> > Shall we all still eating animal-products over 20 years? I don't
> think
>> > so!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > They are not here for suffering!
>> >>
>> >> billiemissy wrote:
>> >> obviously i agree with you but what power have we to stop animals and
>> >> plants suffering.
>> >> maybe we could come up with ideas what do you say
>> >>
>> >
>> > I've been Vegan for around 45 years. How many cows, sheep, chickens
>> > etc.
>> > is
>> > that that I've not eaten?
>> >
>> > Vegetarianism and Veganism and even Fruitarianism have increased hugely
>> > during those 45 years.
>>
>> In my opinion, that's due in large part to public health concerns rather
>> than animal rights concerns.
>>
> Your oppinion, like your grey matter, is seriously flawed.

Although you took my comment for trollbait, I was quite serious. Next time,
instead of tossing out an ad hominem, why not expound? Unlike a vast number
of Usenet participants who simply like to argue or offer inflammatory
comments for their own sake, I'll gladly concede your point if it's grounded
in reasonable argumentation.