People at this forum may find it interesting that Chinese tea and Chinese
tea culture is becoming very trendy in Moscow and SPB and in Russia in
general. The contrast with traditional Russian black tea culture of the past
for me after almost 20 years of absence was staggering.
While "normal" people still drink black Indian and Ceylon as their everyday
tea, tea shops, tea room and tea clubs with great choice of Chinese,
Japanese and other exotic teas are becoming more and more popular and
increasingly expensive.

I have not been in tea clubs in Moscow, which are more "opulent" and
expensive than the ones in SPB, but visited two in SPB, my former hometown.
They call themselves "Tea Culture Clubs" and are quite small and very
Spartan from the point of view of furniture and space. You drink tea sitting
on the floor on mats or pillows in a space that is created by hanging bamboo
mats which divide a room 300 sq.ft into several such "tea spaces". Its quite
minimal.
The tea selection is quite the opposite. The menu or "tea card" consist of
several pages and probably about a hundred or more teas, almost exclusively
Chinese, most of them oolongs. The prices are "per person" and vary from
couple of hundred rubles (27 pub /USD) or 7-10 USD to tens of thousands of
rubles or several hundred USD. You can drink it any way you want but the
common way is gong fu, which you can do yourself or it will be performed by
the host. The price is the same. Gong fu sets include everything, quite good
quality, quality yixing, wenxiangbeis and pinminbeis, chahai, tea tools,
everything, including yixing "toys" - pigs, toddlers, bulls, etc.

There were three of us and we had two teas in about 2 hours and the check
was for USD 2,600 (almost USD100 or $30/person). We tried the cheapest
oolong (dull and old) and a "value" one which was average-to-dull. Keep in
mind that an average salary in SPB is probably USD 300/month.
Also, you can get quite a good three-course meal in a decent restaurant for
this money.

I performed the gungfu myself both times, but was not able not to overhear
the talk over the gungfu performed by the host next "cabin". The
introduction to Chinese tea, the description of gongfu, the comments he was
making were a mix or "tea religion", very superficial knowledge and
spiritual marketing. I was told that some clubs in Moscow host very
knowledgeable people, have calligraphy classes and even publish their own
tea books but still, too many buddhas, "spiritual" music, incense,
"guru"talk.... It looks like my former countrymen need some kind of a church
atmosphere to part with their money more easily. It was sad. One thing I
liked, though - there were no food at all, not even "tea snacks".
Mate is also gaining popularity fast and is crazy expensive (about 20 times
what we pay here in an ethnic Latino shop).

The popularity of these tea clubs is skyrocketing. I expect (and was asked
to assist, but declined for now) the new generation of tea clubs with more
business atmosphere will spring up in a very near future. The knowledge will
increase and most probably the Chinese business people will start paying
attention and open such clubs in Russia. As of now (according to my
knowledge) these clubs are owned by Russian tea admirers.

Tea shops (which are numerous) selections are quite opulent, prices about
three to ten times higher than here in the US, salesgirls are slow and
their knowledge is superficial. However if the owner happens to be present,
you will have a chance to talk to a very knowledgeable, quite sophisticated,
very interested in tea individual.

Russians I talked to would express immediate and very vigorous interest in
things tea as soon as you start such conversation. Tea is definitely "in"
and "hip". There are several good tea web sites where very knowledgeable
people share their experiences and even get together once in a while (we are
talking people traveling hundreds of miles for three-4 days of tea drinking)
bringing unbelievable quality teas with them and having such "tea
happenings" at least once a season. Some of these web sites have very large
and deep knowledge databases on all aspects of tea. The tea web site of a
small private university in Pskov - tea.volny.edu is one of them where yours
truly posts quite a lot.

Sasha.

Sorry, a mistake - not USD 2,600, but RUB 2,600.

Sasha.

"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
.. .
> People at this forum may find it interesting that Chinese tea and Chinese
> tea culture is becoming very trendy in Moscow and SPB and in Russia in
> general. The contrast with traditional Russian black tea culture of the
> past for me after almost 20 years of absence was staggering.
> While "normal" people still drink black Indian and Ceylon as their
> everyday tea, tea shops, tea room and tea clubs with great choice of
> Chinese, Japanese and other exotic teas are becoming more and more popular
> and increasingly expensive.
>
> I have not been in tea clubs in Moscow, which are more "opulent" and
> expensive than the ones in SPB, but visited two in SPB, my former
> hometown. They call themselves "Tea Culture Clubs" and are quite small and
> very Spartan from the point of view of furniture and space. You drink tea
> sitting on the floor on mats or pillows in a space that is created by
> hanging bamboo mats which divide a room 300 sq.ft into several such "tea
> spaces". Its quite minimal.
> The tea selection is quite the opposite. The menu or "tea card" consist of
> several pages and probably about a hundred or more teas, almost
> exclusively Chinese, most of them oolongs. The prices are "per person" and
> vary from couple of hundred rubles (27 pub /USD) or 7-10 USD to tens of
> thousands of rubles or several hundred USD. You can drink it any way you
> want but the common way is gong fu, which you can do yourself or it will
> be performed by the host. The price is the same. Gong fu sets include
> everything, quite good quality, quality yixing, wenxiangbeis and
> pinminbeis, chahai, tea tools, everything, including yixing "toys" - pigs,
> toddlers, bulls, etc.
>
> There were three of us and we had two teas in about 2 hours and the check
> was for USD 2,600 (almost USD100 or $30/person). We tried the cheapest
> oolong (dull and old) and a "value" one which was average-to-dull. Keep in
> mind that an average salary in SPB is probably USD 300/month.
> Also, you can get quite a good three-course meal in a decent restaurant
> for this money.
>
> I performed the gungfu myself both times, but was not able not to overhear
> the talk over the gungfu performed by the host next "cabin". The
> introduction to Chinese tea, the description of gongfu, the comments he
> was making were a mix or "tea religion", very superficial knowledge and
> spiritual marketing. I was told that some clubs in Moscow host very
> knowledgeable people, have calligraphy classes and even publish their own
> tea books but still, too many buddhas, "spiritual" music, incense,
> "guru"talk.... It looks like my former countrymen need some kind of a
> church atmosphere to part with their money more easily. It was sad. One
> thing I liked, though - there were no food at all, not even "tea snacks".
> Mate is also gaining popularity fast and is crazy expensive (about 20
> times what we pay here in an ethnic Latino shop).
>
> The popularity of these tea clubs is skyrocketing. I expect (and was asked
> to assist, but declined for now) the new generation of tea clubs with more
> business atmosphere will spring up in a very near future. The knowledge
> will increase and most probably the Chinese business people will start
> paying attention and open such clubs in Russia. As of now (according to my
> knowledge) these clubs are owned by Russian tea admirers.
>
> Tea shops (which are numerous) selections are quite opulent, prices about
> three to ten times higher than here in the US, salesgirls are slow and
> their knowledge is superficial. However if the owner happens to be
> present, you will have a chance to talk to a very knowledgeable, quite
> sophisticated, very interested in tea individual.
>
> Russians I talked to would express immediate and very vigorous interest in
> things tea as soon as you start such conversation. Tea is definitely "in"
> and "hip". There are several good tea web sites where very knowledgeable
> people share their experiences and even get together once in a while (we
> are talking people traveling hundreds of miles for three-4 days of tea
> drinking) bringing unbelievable quality teas with them and having such
> "tea happenings" at least once a season. Some of these web sites have very
> large and deep knowledge databases on all aspects of tea. The tea web
> site of a small private university in Pskov - tea.volny.edu is one of them
> where yours truly posts quite a lot.
>
> Sasha.
>
>
>
>

>The
>introduction to Chinese tea, the description of gongfu, the comments he was
>making were a mix or "tea religion", very superficial knowledge and
>spiritual marketing. I was told that some clubs in Moscow host very
>knowledgeable people, have calligraphy classes and even publish their own
>tea books but still, too many buddhas, "spiritual" music, incense,
>"guru"talk.... It looks like my former countrymen need some kind of a church
>atmosphere to part with their money more easily. It was sad.

See, I haven't seen this yet at all in China. Gongfu cha is done so
matter-of-factly that it doesn't even resemble a ceremony; it's just
the way they do tea to get the best flavor out of tea. I tend to
follow that style as well, although relaxing, I see how it could be
marketed as spiritual. That really is sad that such a normalized thing
here is made out to be all mystical in other places. There are too
many instances of this; China isn't that freaking spiritual or
cool...it's 3rd world and ruled by communists.

6/30/05


>> The
>> introduction to Chinese tea, the description of gongfu, the comments he was
>> making were a mix or "tea religion", very superficial knowledge and
>> spiritual marketing. I was told that some clubs in Moscow host very
>> knowledgeable people, have calligraphy classes and even publish their own
>> tea books but still, too many buddhas, "spiritual" music, incense,
>> "guru"talk.... It looks like my former countrymen need some kind of a church
>> atmosphere to part with their money more easily. It was sad.
>
> See, I haven't seen this yet at all in China. Gongfu cha is done so
> matter-of-factly that it doesn't even resemble a ceremony; it's just
> the way they do tea to get the best flavor out of tea. I tend to
> follow that style as well, although relaxing, I see how it could be
> marketed as spiritual. That really is sad that such a normalized thing
> here is made out to be all mystical in other places. There are too
> many instances of this; China isn't that freaking spiritual or
> cool...it's 3rd world and ruled by communists.
>
Communists saved China from practices too horrid to mention here. Communism,
some might say, is spirituality, not its antithesis. Now, onward.

A Gungfu master will make the serving of tea look so simple as to make it
seem that any idiot can do it. Don't be fooled, grasshopper.

Michael

"Michael Plant" > wrote in message
...
> 6/30/05
>

> Communists saved China from practices too horrid to mention here.
> Communism,
> some might say, is spirituality, not its antithesis. Now, onward.
...........................................
>
> Michael

The more I visited and worked in China the more I saw that Chinese flavor of
Communism is definitely not what we saw in Russia and Europe. I believe that
Chinese is mainly nationalists with complete indifference to the ideology.
They used Communism for its strong central power, prevalence of "societal"
interests over private (hello, US Supreme Court!), and others that sat well
with traditional Chinese Imperial values to build yet another Chinese Empire
when the old one disintegrated. But the most important, central idea of
classical Communism - like World Revolution does not play the central role
in Chinese version of Communism. While Communism serves their long-term
national interests they will subscribe to it. But its "China First", not
"Ideology First" in their case.
I remember how I caught myself last year sitting in my hotel and listening
for two hours the press conferences from the Chinese Communist Party
Congress! There were not a power in Universe that would have made me do that
in Russia - it was all boring, idelogical BS from mentally dead
slow-speaking and even slower thinking apparatchiks who didn't even knbow
how to speak good Russia. Here it was a lively discussion by and between
educated, cultured, quick-witted, strategically savvy people. The
journalists from world networks looked like children! It was an eye-opening
experience for me.

Sasha.

Of course they make it look simple, it's part of the business. They
can make half-assed tea taste much better than you'll ever be able to
brew it.

*continues to study onward*