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Open letter to Ms. Rebecca Brown (Ore)
Dear Ms. Brown (Ore),
cc. Usenet. You have exercised your First Amendment right and posted numerous potentially libelous statements about me on international USENET forum. I respect your Constitutional right and would like to excursive same of my own, by sending letters about what happened to Temple University Press and Temple University Public Radio who appeared to be interested in the subject. This is just a letter or courtesy, you are free to answer or not answer it in any way you find appropriate. I am also planning to contact Drexel as soon as I figure out how their media works. I have not yet figured out what other publications and media resources would be interested in such a subject but I am doing my research as you read this letter. As you rejected my offer to resolve this issue with the remedy I proposed and never offered a different one or a public retraction with a proper apology, I will seek satisfaction the way I see fit. Regards, Alex Chaihorsky. 5774 Tappan Dr. Reno, NV 89523 |
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So now what are we suppose to think? We'll say something else that
will trip your hot button and threaten us with punitive actions. Calling someone in Usenet a Liar is like calling them a Troll. It is meaningless and used for dramatic punctuation. If the accused suspects you of tall tales and calls them a lie that's her opinion. Usenet is nothing more than opinions that barely rise above the background noice of slurs and innuendos. I'd be more concerned about what this community thinks than the media. I hound the guy and he's still here. He has a thick hide. You need one in Usenet. It ain't for the sensitive or squeemish. I think you have it in for us liberals. I'm the only liberal between here and Chinatown. Jim Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > Dear Ms. Brown (Ore), > cc. Usenet. > > > You have exercised your First Amendment right and posted numerous > potentially libelous statements about me on international USENET forum. I > respect your Constitutional right and would like to excursive same of my > own, by sending letters about what happened to Temple University Press and > Temple University Public Radio who appeared to be interested in the subject. > This is just a letter or courtesy, you are free to answer or not answer it > in any way you find appropriate. I am also planning to contact Drexel as > soon as I figure out how their media works. > I have not yet figured out what other publications and media resources would > be interested in such a subject but I am doing my research as you read this > letter. > > As you rejected my offer to resolve this issue with the remedy I proposed > and never offered a different one or a public retraction with a proper > apology, I will seek satisfaction the way I see fit. > > Regards, > > Alex Chaihorsky. > 5774 Tappan Dr. > Reno, NV 89523 |
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That is your opinion and I respect it. Mine's different. You can say
anything you want and question anything I say. But if you call me a liar or a rapist or a thief, I will take measures similar to these. USENET or not USENET, this is public record. If most people choose to wipe the spit off their faces, spitting back, I don't. That is my personal and legal choice. BTW, there is no legal definition of "troll" and calling someone that is meaningless outside USENET. "Liar" is different. And you know that. Sasha. "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message ups.com... > So now what are we suppose to think? We'll say something else that > will trip your hot button and threaten us with punitive actions. > Calling someone in Usenet a Liar is like calling them a Troll. It is > meaningless and used for dramatic punctuation. If the accused suspects > you of tall tales and calls them a lie that's her opinion. Usenet is > nothing more than opinions that barely rise above the background noice > of slurs and innuendos. I'd be more concerned about what this > community thinks than the media. I hound the guy and he's still here. > He has a thick hide. You need one in Usenet. It ain't for the > sensitive or squeemish. I think you have it in for us liberals. I'm > the only liberal between here and Chinatown. > > Jim > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote: >> Dear Ms. Brown (Ore), >> cc. Usenet. >> >> >> You have exercised your First Amendment right and posted numerous >> potentially libelous statements about me on international USENET forum. I >> respect your Constitutional right and would like to excursive same of my >> own, by sending letters about what happened to Temple University Press >> and >> Temple University Public Radio who appeared to be interested in the >> subject. >> This is just a letter or courtesy, you are free to answer or not answer >> it >> in any way you find appropriate. I am also planning to contact Drexel as >> soon as I figure out how their media works. >> I have not yet figured out what other publications and media resources >> would >> be interested in such a subject but I am doing my research as you read >> this >> letter. >> >> As you rejected my offer to resolve this issue with the remedy I proposed >> and never offered a different one or a public retraction with a proper >> apology, I will seek satisfaction the way I see fit. >> >> Regards, >> >> Alex Chaihorsky. >> 5774 Tappan Dr. >> Reno, NV 89523 > |
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It's not a criminal act to call someone a liar. It is a criminal act
to lie under oath. Applying libel and copyright laws to USENET is so far a waste of time in court. You have no real legal remedy. Instead you're taking your case to the media. You can't lose. Is liar, rapist, and thief the extent of pursuable measures on your part? I want you to state the full extent for the public record since you made the threat to me and others. Jim Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > That is your opinion and I respect it. Mine's different. You can say > anything you want and question anything I say. But if you call me a liar or > a rapist or a thief, I will take measures similar to these. USENET or not > USENET, this is public record. If most people choose to wipe the spit off > their faces, spitting back, I don't. That is my personal and legal choice. > BTW, there is no legal definition of "troll" and calling someone that is > meaningless outside USENET. "Liar" is different. And you know that. > > Sasha. > > > "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message > ups.com... > > So now what are we suppose to think? We'll say something else that > > will trip your hot button and threaten us with punitive actions. > > Calling someone in Usenet a Liar is like calling them a Troll. It is > > meaningless and used for dramatic punctuation. If the accused suspects > > you of tall tales and calls them a lie that's her opinion. Usenet is > > nothing more than opinions that barely rise above the background noice > > of slurs and innuendos. I'd be more concerned about what this > > community thinks than the media. I hound the guy and he's still here. > > He has a thick hide. You need one in Usenet. It ain't for the > > sensitive or squeemish. I think you have it in for us liberals. I'm > > the only liberal between here and Chinatown. > > > > Jim > > > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > >> Dear Ms. Brown (Ore), > >> cc. Usenet. > >> > >> > >> You have exercised your First Amendment right and posted numerous > >> potentially libelous statements about me on international USENET forum. I > >> respect your Constitutional right and would like to excursive same of my > >> own, by sending letters about what happened to Temple University Press > >> and > >> Temple University Public Radio who appeared to be interested in the > >> subject. > >> This is just a letter or courtesy, you are free to answer or not answer > >> it > >> in any way you find appropriate. I am also planning to contact Drexel as > >> soon as I figure out how their media works. > >> I have not yet figured out what other publications and media resources > >> would > >> be interested in such a subject but I am doing my research as you read > >> this > >> letter. > >> > >> As you rejected my offer to resolve this issue with the remedy I proposed > >> and never offered a different one or a public retraction with a proper > >> apology, I will seek satisfaction the way I see fit. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Alex Chaihorsky. > >> 5774 Tappan Dr. > >> Reno, NV 89523 > > |
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And I never called it a criminal act. And I never threatened anyone with a
criminal action. So, do not make it look like I did. The situation is very simple. I am amazed that as a lawyer you do not see it.: 1. One insults someone to the extent that he/she is now angry enough to take a counteraction. It was your free will to insult, be prepared to find yourself on a receiving end of someone exercising his fee will too. All within legal boundaries, of course. 2. One is offered several remedies to satisfy the insulted and one neither agree to them, no offer alternative solution. One understands that this will put him (or her) in an unfavorable position when such situation will be in front of a judge or a court of public opinion. One has chosen a path of war. 3. In that case one needs to be prepared that one's opponent will take steps within legal or public system to get satisfaction. That is called "responsibility for your actions" and is part of the natural justice system. Depending on the jurisdiction, legal situation and money/time available to the angry party it could be anything. I do not go through an American law school and cannot represent anyone but myself, but I went through many legal business proceedings and studied law to the extent that I am comfortable representing myself in non-criminal cases or cases that does not involve potential serious damages against me. As soon as I get off "the boat" onto these shores, I understood almost instantaneously that a person here can be taken to court for any, however stupid and miniscule reason and that translated immediately into huge legal bills. Comparing to these expenses the outcome of the case may be completely irrelevant. That was an implicit attack on my freedom (you may not agree) and I dedicated a certain amount of time and money to investigate the situation and acquire enough knowledge to be my own lawyer, thus taking (albeit only partially) my freedom not to be robbed by some petty lawsuit back. You (and nobody else) is in any danger from my stance - 1. Do not knowingly insult me (your mother should have told you that already) 2. When you do and I offer you a way out (an apology or retraction or arbitration of any sort) take it. 3. If you did not take it - do not be surprised by my actions. I think if more people will follow my example, USENET would become a much more civilized, informative an in general humane place. I also think if more people would study law just not to be scared of a petty lawsuits, this country will definitely be better off and the amount of freedom will increase. And, most probably, we will become more civil, polite and respectful of others. Should I call White House about this? Cheers, Sasha. "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message ups.com... > It's not a criminal act to call someone a liar. It is a criminal act > to lie under oath. Applying libel and copyright laws to USENET is so > far a waste of time in court. You have no real legal remedy. Instead > you're taking your case to the media. You can't lose. Is liar, > rapist, and thief the extent of pursuable measures on your part? I > want you to state the full extent for the public record since you made > the threat to me and others. > > Jim > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote: >> That is your opinion and I respect it. Mine's different. You can say >> anything you want and question anything I say. But if you call me a liar >> or >> a rapist or a thief, I will take measures similar to these. USENET or not >> USENET, this is public record. If most people choose to wipe the spit off >> their faces, spitting back, I don't. That is my personal and legal >> choice. >> BTW, there is no legal definition of "troll" and calling someone that is >> meaningless outside USENET. "Liar" is different. And you know that. >> >> Sasha. >> >> >> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message >> ups.com... >> > So now what are we suppose to think? We'll say something else that >> > will trip your hot button and threaten us with punitive actions. >> > Calling someone in Usenet a Liar is like calling them a Troll. It is >> > meaningless and used for dramatic punctuation. If the accused suspects >> > you of tall tales and calls them a lie that's her opinion. Usenet is >> > nothing more than opinions that barely rise above the background noice >> > of slurs and innuendos. I'd be more concerned about what this >> > community thinks than the media. I hound the guy and he's still here. >> > He has a thick hide. You need one in Usenet. It ain't for the >> > sensitive or squeemish. I think you have it in for us liberals. I'm >> > the only liberal between here and Chinatown. >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > Alex Chaihorsky wrote: >> >> Dear Ms. Brown (Ore), >> >> cc. Usenet. >> >> >> >> >> >> You have exercised your First Amendment right and posted numerous >> >> potentially libelous statements about me on international USENET >> >> forum. I >> >> respect your Constitutional right and would like to excursive same of >> >> my >> >> own, by sending letters about what happened to Temple University Press >> >> and >> >> Temple University Public Radio who appeared to be interested in the >> >> subject. >> >> This is just a letter or courtesy, you are free to answer or not >> >> answer >> >> it >> >> in any way you find appropriate. I am also planning to contact Drexel >> >> as >> >> soon as I figure out how their media works. >> >> I have not yet figured out what other publications and media resources >> >> would >> >> be interested in such a subject but I am doing my research as you read >> >> this >> >> letter. >> >> >> >> As you rejected my offer to resolve this issue with the remedy I >> >> proposed >> >> and never offered a different one or a public retraction with a proper >> >> apology, I will seek satisfaction the way I see fit. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Alex Chaihorsky. >> >> 5774 Tappan Dr. >> >> Reno, NV 89523 >> > > |
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You're just a loose cannon waiting to go off. One man's insult is
another man's compliment. There are no standards to determine an insult. Just ethnic bigotry on your part about a Russian concept of honor which got transmuted over time to include whatever aspecs of American culture you don't like. We use to choose pistols to settle insults. It turns out the better shot won. The dueling matches had a QUID PRO QUO arrangement where the Second could offer the apology. I apologize for whoever insulted you in the past or in the future. You're the one being uncivil using intimidation. Save me the immigrant whine about how you will save us from us. My Mom said you are being an asshole. That wasn't an insult just her opinion. Jim Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > You (and nobody else) is in any danger from my stance - > 1. Do not knowingly insult me (your mother should have told you that > already) |
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In article > ,
"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote: > > I think if more people will follow my example, USENET would become a much > more civilized, informative an in general humane place. > I also think if more people would study law just not to be scared of a petty > lawsuits, this country will definitely be better off and the amount of > freedom will increase. And, most probably, we will become more civil, polite > and respectful of others. Your naivete extends to operatic proportions. Usenet will NEVER be civil or polite. Usenet is anarchy x's 100. A lawsuit brought from a Usenet complaint wouldn't even make it into court. |
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"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message oups.com... > You're just a loose cannon waiting to go off. One man's insult is > another man's compliment. There are no standards to determine an > insult. Irrelevant - because I do not seek legal remedy. But I have my own standards and my own lines. And the line is - libel. It is irrelevant how people define insults. Libel - a different story. Calling someone a liar is libel and that is why I GET INSULTED. >Just ethnic bigotry on your part about a Russian concept of > honor which got transmuted over time to include whatever aspecs of > American culture you don't like. We use to choose pistols to settle > insults. And at that time - everyone in "civilized world" did that too. So, what's the point? How is my Russian origin relevant in this? Just to create context to bring he words "ethnic bigotry"? What for? To show me my "place"? The more you try to irritate me the less you do, because you move yourself in my mind from intellectually equal to someone who cannot win an argument without childish anger spewing, name calling, attempts to insult... in short - intellectually inferior. Which I do not think you are. So - why? >It turns out the better shot won. The dueling matches had a > QUID PRO QUO arrangement where the Second could offer the apology. I > apologize for whoever insulted you in the past or in the future You are a doll. But the only apology that makes sense is from an offender. Unless she feels so ashamed of herself that she cannot type. > You're the one being uncivil using intimidation. With all due respect, Cowboy - you should see the irony of you commenting on civility. I just hear laughter all over, honestly. Look back at your posts in this group and really understand what you said from this angle. I think you made my point for me, thank you. It may not entirly be your personal fault. You may just fall into one of the traps of your profession. Because practicing law is all intimidation and almost nothing but intimidation. That is why, I think, so many schoolyard weaklings go to law schools - to get their revenge for being bulled around by stronger boys. Law profession allow one to feel powerful and intimidating without the need to be powerful and intimidating. Same I saw many times in young policemen. I was surprised to see almost none of that in young Westpoint cadets and young officers when I had an honor of teaching some training courses there.. may be because they are taught the concepts of honor and take it quite seriously, as opposed to Police Academies. Intimidation is attempting to make someone timid. I do not want her to be timid - just to answer for her libelous insult. There are many ways to do that and end this thing right away, but she (at least for now) choses the confrontation. Whose fault is that? >Save me the immigrant > whine about how you will save us from us. This also shows how civil you are. Yes, I am an immigrant and see no reason to be shy about it (or proud of it, either). Whining? When? Who? Saving you from you? What have you been smoking? Rest assured, Cowboy, I plan no such thing. Sleep well. >My Mom said you are being an > asshole. That wasn't an insult just her opinion. My regards to your Mom. She must be a very classy lady. Certainly she is entitled to an opinion. Next time tell us also what she thinks about you. I have a suspicion that she just adores you and think you are a cutest little angry puppy on the planet. Tell he I agree wholeheartedly. > > Jim Sasha. |
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On Thursday 23 June 2005 15:42, Space Cowboy >
s.com>) wrote: > You're the one being uncivil using intimidation. Plonk |
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"P_b" > wrote in message ... > In article > , > "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote: >> >> I think if more people will follow my example, USENET would become a much >> more civilized, informative an in general humane place. >> I also think if more people would study law just not to be scared of a >> petty >> lawsuits, this country will definitely be better off and the amount of >> freedom will increase. And, most probably, we will become more civil, >> polite >> and respectful of others. > > Your naivete extends to operatic proportions. > Usenet will NEVER be civil or polite. Usenet > is anarchy x's 100. And you are entitled to your opinion. But the fact that you use the word "never" shows who is naive here. > > A lawsuit brought from a Usenet complaint > wouldn't even make it into court. Why don't you read what I said before you post? I do not seek legal remedy. I am not interested in legal remedy. I think there are other remedies (societal, corporate, cultural) that can be capable of making certain people civil more so than rude intimidation of the punishment by law. Sasha. |
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Caffeine poisoning and paranoia. toci
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"Michael Plant" > wrote in message ... > Would somebody who cares enough PLEASE write a short synopsis of the > Rebecca > controversy. I don't want to sift through 2000 posts, but I'm curious to > know what's going down. An executive summary, please. Thanks much. Michael > Executive Summary (2 pages). This may be a little bit longer than you wanted, but Sasha. =============================================== Thread Bao vs. ... By Rebecca O 5/19 ... One of the problems of jumping into a flame war is that the person being attacked (kuri and Sasha were the main people saying the undefensible things) doesn't tend to at that point distinguish between people offering polite suggestions and people trying to score points. Mydnight withdrew at that point. Sasha tried to continue the attack like the person he has appeared to be all through this -- someone whose own stories about his travels in China and his experiences with the captured Japanese tea person sound to this teacher of English like stories that he made up. I am willing to call him a liar until proven otherwise. ================================================== ====== <>Sasha: She also added in another message the same day: (I know some of you have met Sasha and like him, but I think of him as a ne-kulturni vez umni malchik c deneg, if I'm remembering my russki yazik correctly. You guys are free to have another opinion). I mostly ignore him unless he's trying to wrangle up support for his unverifiable stories (and for me, his own word isn't good enough). ================================================== ================ <>Sasha: To which I answered a month later after I came back from Asia: I have been traveling and working during this priceless exchange and missed these peals of Rebecca's wisdom. I am willing to prove the provable (my travel and work in ex-military formerly closed territories in China) of what I was claiming with plane tickets, original work agreements, official films of local TV stations (featuring yours truly) about opening of our offices in rural towns just south of Inner Mongolia and other things. But she has to step up to the plate and put her money where her mouth is. We both shell send a money order for say $5,000 to Michael Plant, Lew or DogMa (or any other well known member of the group) and let him or some other group of judges decide if I ever lied about my travel and work in China. The winning side will gets the money. Until she does that, her baseless accusations remain what they are - empty barkings. But as Turks say "It khurer, karavan kecher" - "The bitch barks, but the caravan goes". So be it in our case too. Certainly I cannot prove what happened almost 30 years ago on the shores of Olenek river in Northern Siberia. And I do not intend to. This was my personal experience and I do not give a flying puer cake if some self-absorbed, yet another "professor" from CUNY believes me or not. But not believing me is one thing and calling me a liar - another. Notice how this "teacher of English" and an American, I presume, throws away ever so easily the time honored Western tradition of presuming innocence until proven guilty. She calls me a liar "until proven otherwise"! She feels that she has a right to call a person a liar and demand that the only way she would retract from that accusation if I "prove" myself to be right? No, lady, you will have to risk some money on the table if you want proof. Until you do that, your empty accusations only show others what you are made of. I leave it to the public on this forum to judge why she would be so angry at someone who she never met in her life? May be some of my remarks on her ridiculous posts had something to do with it? But there were several posters who ridiculed her "educated" opinion and she never attacked them... Eureka! May be she had a Russian boyfriend who run away from her self-absorbed attitude? That would at least explain her awful, louty Russian. I think that she does have some alternative motives (like assuming in her other post that I am rich, which I guess in CUNY's world is the biggest sin in the universe). I have to disappoint her - I am not rich (moneywise) at all - by any standards (unfortunately). However I lived a very rich life filled with love, friendship, adventures and love again. And I think I have done it honorably. I made a lot of lifetime friends (God bless them) and certainly some envious enemies, (God bless them too). And that is why all I feel toward the poor "linguist" is a deep sense of pity. Sasha. ================================================== ======== To which she answered next day: I have no doubt that you have more money than sense. I don't believe you. Live with it. I don't want to meet you, don't want to play games with you. I don't care if you aren't lying, either. It sure sounds like bullshit to me. <Plonk> ================================================== ======= The rest is in recent threads that I started with hre name in the subject line. Sasha. |
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In Usenet an insult is called a flame. If you can't stand the heat get
out of the kitchen. All I proved in this post is you can hurl with the best of them. You specifically refer to your intellectual superiority and then call everyone else a moron, etc,etc. You stand guilty of using the very same tactics used by the occused. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Essentially you GET INSULTED by anybody who disagrees with you and then rig the debate by arbitarily deciding the rigueur of any arguments in your favor. Calling someone a liar in this culture in not an insult. You can tell a lie without lying. It falls under not telling the truth or disinformation. You have failed on the two accounts of your foundational integrity which you call in so many words INTELLECTAL HONESTY. You won't recognize that there are other valid points because you dismiss them as being inconsequential to the weight of your own and you fish around in other posts looking for non sequitors to prove your point. You're just another Usenet poster mouthing off about some pre ordained vision of the world typical of the intolerant and bigot right in this country. Please publish the name of your employer and pertinent contact information so in libel action I can go after deep pockets proving they should have fired your ass a long time ago because they knew of your propensity to bully others which the Supreme Court has ruled is part of the Civil Rights Act. I usually stay out of other people's flame but you are a threat to us all. Jim Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > You're just a loose cannon waiting to go off. > Irrelevant - because I do not seek legal remedy. But I have my own standards > and my own lines. And the line is - libel. It is irrelevant how people > define insults. Libel - a different story. Calling someone a liar is libel > and that is why I GET INSULTED. |
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I love you Jim.
But you have to think about your health. Put some cold water on your backside. 1. Never called neither you nor her a moron. Don't have to. Did you have a bad dream? 2. I will stay or not stay in the kitchen according to my own desire and plans. Thanks for the advice. This was truly profound. 3. Never get insulted by people who disagree with me - evidence all over this forum, too numerous to quote. Never was accused of such by anyone before. 4. My employer, etc - do your own research, buddy. You mention libel action - have I ever published anything libelous about you? Besides sending you some Tibet teas? Please, clarify, because if I did, I will definitely retract and apologize. If not, you disqualified your action by threatening me with frivolous lawsuit based on non-event. That would actually be an interesting thing to discuss at Colorado Bar Association. BTW, are there any public ethical conduct rules that would be applicable to our discussion here? 5.Re-read your words: "...so in libel action I can go after deep pockets proving they should have fired your ass a long time ago because they knew of your propensity to bully others which the Supreme Court has ruled is part of the Civil Rights Act". This is priceless. "Libel action based on.. my bully record?!" Civil Rights Act?! Are you sure you ARE a lawyer or this is just a game you and Mommy play? 6. I enjoy this. This is better than Chris Rock. I am sure Mike Petro is laughing his puer ass off. Thank you, Jim! Sasha. "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message ups.com... > In Usenet an insult is called a flame. If you can't stand the heat get > out of the kitchen. All I proved in this post is you can hurl with the > best of them. You specifically refer to your intellectual superiority > and then call everyone else a moron, etc,etc. You stand guilty of > using the very same tactics used by the occused. What is good for the > goose is good for the gander. Essentially you GET INSULTED by anybody > who disagrees with you and then rig the debate by arbitarily deciding > the rigueur of any arguments in your favor. Calling someone a liar in > this culture in not an insult. You can tell a lie without lying. It > falls under not telling the truth or disinformation. You have failed > on the two accounts of your foundational integrity which you call in so > many words INTELLECTAL HONESTY. You won't recognize that there are > other valid points because you dismiss them as being inconsequential to > the weight of your own and you fish around in other posts looking for > non sequitors to prove your point. You're just another Usenet poster > mouthing off about some pre ordained vision of the world typical of the > intolerant and bigot right in this country. Please publish the name of > your employer and pertinent contact information so in libel action I > can go after deep pockets proving they should have fired your ass a > long time ago because they knew of your propensity to bully others > which the Supreme Court has ruled is part of the Civil Rights Act. I > usually stay out of other people's flame but you are a threat to us > all. > > Jim > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote: >> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message >> oups.com... >> > You're just a loose cannon waiting to go off. > >> Irrelevant - because I do not seek legal remedy. But I have my own >> standards >> and my own lines. And the line is - libel. It is irrelevant how people >> define insults. Libel - a different story. Calling someone a liar is >> libel >> and that is why I GET INSULTED. > |
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It doesn't matter. He just insulted my Mom. He called her a "Classy
Lady" which in the cultural context of the cowboy West also means a whore. You know Miss Kitty and Gunsmoke. In Indian parlance he speakes with forked tongue or in southern drawl where I grew up both sides of his mouth. Jim Michael Plant wrote: > Would somebody who cares enough PLEASE write a short synopsis of the Rebecca > controversy. I don't want to sift through 2000 posts, but I'm curious to > know what's going down. An executive summary, please. Thanks much. Michael > > > Space 6/23/05 > > > > So now what are we suppose to think? We'll say something else that > > will trip your hot button and threaten us with punitive actions. > > Calling someone in Usenet a Liar is like calling them a Troll. It is > > meaningless and used for dramatic punctuation. If the accused suspects > > you of tall tales and calls them a lie that's her opinion. Usenet is > > nothing more than opinions that barely rise above the background noice > > of slurs and innuendos. I'd be more concerned about what this > > community thinks than the media. I hound the guy and he's still here. > > He has a thick hide. You need one in Usenet. It ain't for the > > sensitive or squeemish. I think you have it in for us liberals. I'm > > the only liberal between here and Chinatown. > > > > Jim > > > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > >> Dear Ms. Brown (Ore), > >> cc. Usenet. > >> > >> > >> You have exercised your First Amendment right and posted numerous > >> potentially libelous statements about me on international USENET forum. I > >> respect your Constitutional right and would like to excursive same of my > >> own, by sending letters about what happened to Temple University Press and > >> Temple University Public Radio who appeared to be interested in the subject. > >> This is just a letter or courtesy, you are free to answer or not answer it > >> in any way you find appropriate. I am also planning to contact Drexel as > >> soon as I figure out how their media works. > >> I have not yet figured out what other publications and media resources would > >> be interested in such a subject but I am doing my research as you read this > >> letter. > >> > >> As you rejected my offer to resolve this issue with the remedy I proposed > >> and never offered a different one or a public retraction with a proper > >> apology, I will seek satisfaction the way I see fit. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Alex Chaihorsky. > >> 5774 Tappan Dr. > >> Reno, NV 89523 > > |
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Dear Rebecca -
You called me a liar EXPLICITLY. I quote:"I am willing to call him a liar until proven otherwise." You should at least be truthful about these things if you believe them to be true. I would not ever even pay attention at you not believing me (I truly do not care) having seen your record of being banned on other forums. Please, do not hide behind that pathetic girlish "His honor has been deeply and grievously offended by a female who only makes $25K a year as an adjunct instructor of English" and stop playing poor old lady who was robbed on the streets by a big bad Russian guy! How can you sink to this level? You are a well-known feminist, for God's sake, have some pride in it! Hiding behind your low salary is beyond pathetic. It has nothing to do with the subject. Does you low salary makes you rude? Or it forces you to insult others? Retract, apologize and go about your life. That is how easy it is. Believe or not believe anything you want, but be careful calling people liars. Sasha. "Rebecca Ore" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > Michael Plant > wrote: > >> Would somebody who cares enough PLEASE write a short synopsis of the >> Rebecca >> controversy. I don't want to sift through 2000 posts, but I'm curious to >> know what's going down. An executive summary, please. Thanks much. >> Michael >> > > I said I didn't believe half of what he said and he took serious > exception to that, offered a wager to prove he did travel in places > forbidden to other Westerners. I said I didn't really care. He > Googled, found my resume on line and decided to contact my employers to > tell them what a bad bad person I was to have said I didn't believe him > in a Usenet group. > > Or at least he says he did. > > Alex thought because I was a published writer, I had tons of money and > could put up $5,000 to have his friends verify this proof that he'd > travelled where no Westerner had gone before, etc. At least once other > person observed that this wasn't an offer that I was likely to take him > up on, whether or not I had a spare $5K to send to have one of his > friends say that his proof was good. > > His honor has been deeply and grievously offended by a female who only > makes $25K a year as an adjunct instructor of English. I didn't realize > earlier that he was that much of a crank (Google him; I should have done > that earlier). > > I'm sure he did indeed travel in China, just not sure how one would > prove that he travelled in China in places previously forbidden to > Westerners and knew that the level of literacy there was higher than > what Mydnight was reporting from the areas of China where he was > visiting. > > I apologize to the group for calling Alex a person who embellishes both > reality and his importance. I'm genuinely sorry I did this and stuff. |
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I love you and in our culture I have to qualify that by saying I am not
***. At least I can find what you sent. No he isn't. You're welcome. I watched a movie called Earth last night about the 1947 division of India. There a poignant where a group of friends who were Muslim,Hindu,Shik are calling each other liars based on historical mistrust. Have you read "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" by Al Franken. There is nothing more dangerous than a lie presented as a truth. Jim Alex Chaihorsky wrote: > I love you Jim. > 4. Besides sending you some Tibet teas? > 6. I am sure Mike Petro is laughing his puer ass off. > Thank you, Jim! > > Sasha. |
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"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message > There is nothing more dangerous than a lie presented as a truth. A truth presented as a lie ? Kuri |
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Michael Plant > wrote:
>Would somebody who cares enough PLEASE write a short synopsis of the Rebecca >controversy. I don't want to sift through 2000 posts, but I'm curious to >know what's going down. An executive summary, please. Thanks much. Michael In the Empire of Zee, They grew tea. And in the Yalek State, Their biscuits were great. And so a great war had to be Over teatime supremacy. They fought with knife and gun and bomb They fought most hard, they fought most long. So now a wasteland is all you see Where once was Yalek and was Zee. And merchants from the land of Zotz Find no sales for their teapots. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:17:53 GMT, Rebecca Ore wrote:
> I apologize to the group for calling Alex a person who embellishes both > reality and his importance. What you did was call him a liar. And when he suggested that he had proof he wasn't (even if I disagree with how he did it), you stated: >> I don't care if you aren't lying, either. It sure sounds like bullshit >> to me. So you called him a liar and then stated that you didn't even care if that accusation was true. You and Sasha are both digging your own holes. > I'm genuinely sorry I did this and stuff. Somehow, I honestly doubt that. -- Derek The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawn mower. |
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That's not what I said but it can work that way also. Eulogys are lies
presented as truth or just about anything a politician says. I guess any example of disinformation is the truth presented as a lie. Jim kuri wrote: > "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message > > > There is nothing more dangerous than a lie presented as a truth. > > A truth presented as a lie ? > > Kuri |
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Thanks Scott,
I love it. Perfect analogy. Marlene > > In the Empire of Zee, > They grew tea. > And in the Yalek State, > Their biscuits were great. > And so a great war had to be > Over teatime supremacy. > They fought with knife and gun and bomb > They fought most hard, they fought most long. > So now a wasteland is all you see > Where once was Yalek and was Zee. > And merchants from the land of Zotz > Find no sales for their teapots. > --scott > -- > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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In article >,
Rebecca Ore > wrote: > I came here to get away from ****heads and trolls. If I'm being one now > or contributing to the noise, I should unsubscribe the group. I don't > find braggart blowhards worth reading and since I appear to be egging > the problem on, I'll leave. oh christ - don't martyr yourself. coming here to get away from trolls and '****heads' and then calling someone a liar in stark and vehement terms - rightly or wrongly - is not probably the best way to foster good will. and look what's happened - a big fight, with you smack dab in the middle of it. bet you haven't left yet. |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:05:03 GMT, Rebecca Ore wrote:
> In article >, Derek > wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:17:53 GMT, Rebecca Ore wrote: >> >>> I apologize to the group for calling Alex a person who embellishes both >>> reality and his importance. >> >> What you did was call him a liar. And when he suggested that he had proof >> he wasn't (even if I disagree with how he did it), you stated: >> >>>> I don't care if you aren't lying, either. It sure sounds like bullshit >>>> to me. >> >> So you called him a liar and then stated that you didn't even care if that >> accusation was true. > > I didn't know his history before. Google on him. He's quite the > cantankerous fellow. And this justifies your behavior how, exactly? He's cantankerous, so you get to make unsubstantiated accusations? >> You and Sasha are both digging your own holes. >> >>> I'm genuinely sorry I did this and stuff. >> >> Somehow, I honestly doubt that. > > I came here to get away from ****heads and trolls. If I'm being one now > or contributing to the noise, I should unsubscribe the group. I don't > find braggart blowhards worth reading and since I appear to be egging > the problem on, I'll leave. No one is forcing you to read his posts. If you doubt their veracity, don't read them. But don't try to play the innocent victim who's been forced from the group. You chose your words, and you chose to state your opinions. If you don't like the response you've gotten, perhaps you should consider learning to choose your words more carefully. -- Derek The journey of a thousand miles sometimes ends very, very badly. |
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The only reason I keep coming back is where else are you going to find
kindred spirits interested in sharing their experiences with tea. I'll put up with the crap because it is a wasteland trying to connect with others in the real world. I made a run to Chinatown yesterday to pick up some roasted duck for a get together today. All I'll do is reheat it on a grill. I'm going to make some Yunnan Black Gold for ice tea. I think the wonderful smoky vanilla flavor will go great with the duck plus sooth the stomach. I found a box with 48 green Xiao(mini) tuocha. It was packed in HongKong and $4 for the total weight of 8 ounces. You can peel the tuocha by hand. It isn't the best cheap green pu'rh I've tasted. I've noticed the grindstone tuochas has the best taste. Jim Rebecca Ore wrote: > I came here to get away from ****heads and trolls. If I'm being one now > or contributing to the noise, I should unsubscribe the group. I don't > find braggart blowhards worth reading and since I appear to be egging > the problem on, I'll leave. |
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Scott /24/05
> Michael Plant > wrote: >> Would somebody who cares enough PLEASE write a short synopsis of the Rebecca >> controversy. I don't want to sift through 2000 posts, but I'm curious to >> know what's going down. An executive summary, please. Thanks much. Michael > > In the Empire of Zee, > They grew tea. > And in the Yalek State, > Their biscuits were great. > And so a great war had to be > Over teatime supremacy. > They fought with knife and gun and bomb > They fought most hard, they fought most long. > So now a wasteland is all you see > Where once was Yalek and was Zee. > And merchants from the land of Zotz > Find no sales for their teapots. Thanks, Scott. I was waiting for someone who could express it in a few well chosen lines. Saves me a LOT of useless reading. Again, thanks much. Michael |
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