Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,

I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't pay
attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.



In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black tea.
Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice cup of
Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been obliged to
switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?



I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and expert. I
need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?



Christopher

www.slowdownnow.org

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci

The word organic is going to boil down to definitions and standards.
To me it means pesticide free but others fertilizer free and more
stringent requirements. The cheapest penny/gram pesticide free
commercial tea I know is the Turkish Caykur brand. I don't worry about
the chemicals but the other possible biomatter which is why I always
boil water.

Jim

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

The word organic is going to boil down to definitions and standards.
To me it means pesticide free but others fertilizer free and more
stringent requirements. The cheapest penny/gram pesticide free
commercial tea I know is the Turkish Caykur brand. I don't worry about
the chemicals but the other possible biomatter which is why I always
boil water.

Jim

Christopher Richards wrote:
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
cup of
> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
obliged to
> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org

"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> The word organic is going to boil down to definitions and standards.
> To me it means pesticide free but others fertilizer free and more
> stringent requirements. The cheapest penny/gram pesticide free
> commercial tea I know is the Turkish Caykur brand. I don't worry about
> the chemicals but the other possible biomatter which is why I always
> boil water.
>
> Jim
>
> Christopher Richards wrote:
>> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>>
>> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
> pay
>> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
> tea.
>> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
> cup of
>> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> obliged to
>> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> expert. I
>> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> www.slowdownnow.org
>

Thanks. I'll look for the Turkish Caykur.

"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> The word organic is going to boil down to definitions and standards.
> To me it means pesticide free but others fertilizer free and more
> stringent requirements. The cheapest penny/gram pesticide free
> commercial tea I know is the Turkish Caykur brand. I don't worry about
> the chemicals but the other possible biomatter which is why I always
> boil water.
>
> Jim
>
> Christopher Richards wrote:
>> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>>
>> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
> pay
>> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
> tea.
>> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
> cup of
>> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> obliged to
>> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> expert. I
>> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> www.slowdownnow.org
>

Thanks. I'll look for the Turkish Caykur.

"toci" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Christopher Richards wrote:
>> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>>
>> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
> pay
>> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
> tea.
>> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
> cup of
>> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> obliged to
>> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> expert. I
>> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> www.slowdownnow.org
>
> In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
> live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
> to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
> may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
> awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
> Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci
>
No.I live in California. I can get a box of 80 Lyons bags for $3.50 ( I
think ) at Berkeley Bowl in Berkeley. I am going there tomorrow, so I'll
check the price. By the way, personally, I am not at all worried about
terrorists or AIDs. Driving on the freeway, yes, terrorists, no.
Christopher

"toci" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Christopher Richards wrote:
>> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>>
>> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't
> pay
>> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black
> tea.
>> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice
> cup of
>> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> obliged to
>> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> expert. I
>> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> www.slowdownnow.org
>
> In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
> live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in yet
> to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer you
> may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth. An
> awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
> Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci
>
No.I live in California. I can get a box of 80 Lyons bags for $3.50 ( I
think ) at Berkeley Bowl in Berkeley. I am going there tomorrow, so I'll
check the price. By the way, personally, I am not at all worried about
terrorists or AIDs. Driving on the freeway, yes, terrorists, no.
Christopher

Christopher Richards wrote:
> "toci" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Christopher Richards wrote:
> >> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
> >>
> >> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I
didn't
> > pay
> >> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic
black
> > tea.
> >> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very
nice
> > cup of
> >> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> > obliged to
> >> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> > expert. I
> >> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >> www.slowdownnow.org
> >
> > In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
> > live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in
yet
> > to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer
you
> > may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth.
An
> > awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
> > Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci
> >
> No.I live in California. I can get a box of 80 Lyons bags for $3.50 (
I
> think ) at Berkeley Bowl in Berkeley. I am going there tomorrow, so
I'll
> check the price. By the way, personally, I am not at all worried
about
> terrorists or AIDs. Driving on the freeway, yes, terrorists, no.
> Christopher

Well, yes, California. My sister lives there. Worry about California,
so the rest of us don't have to. You can get a box of 100 teabags for
a dollar at Aldi's, but I'm pretty sure they're not organic. Toci

Christopher Richards wrote:
> "toci" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Christopher Richards wrote:
> >> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
> >>
> >> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I
didn't
> > pay
> >> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic
black
> > tea.
> >> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very
nice
> > cup of
> >> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> > obliged to
> >> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> > expert. I
> >> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >> www.slowdownnow.org
> >
> > In the USA, Lyons costs more than the organics, so I'm guessing you
> > live in Ireland. University of Virginia says the evidence isn't in
yet
> > to worry about organics. But when you're older, sicker, and richer
you
> > may want to return to them as a position on helping Mother Earth.
An
> > awful lot of tea drinking centurians have never worried about it.
> > Worry about AIDS and terrorists.....Toci
> >
> No.I live in California. I can get a box of 80 Lyons bags for $3.50 (
I
> think ) at Berkeley Bowl in Berkeley. I am going there tomorrow, so
I'll
> check the price. By the way, personally, I am not at all worried
about
> terrorists or AIDs. Driving on the freeway, yes, terrorists, no.
> Christopher

Well, yes, California. My sister lives there. Worry about California,
so the rest of us don't have to. You can get a box of 100 teabags for
a dollar at Aldi's, but I'm pretty sure they're not organic. Toci

Information on organic Darjeeling tea.
http://www.affinityfoods.com/hampstead/makaibari.htm

The same estate tea is sold (cheaper) at Silver Tips..
http://www.silvertipstea.com/
--
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"Christopher Richards" > wrote in
message om...
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice cup
> of Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been obliged
> to switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org
>

Information on organic Darjeeling tea.
http://www.affinityfoods.com/hampstead/makaibari.htm

The same estate tea is sold (cheaper) at Silver Tips..
http://www.silvertipstea.com/
--
Aloke
----
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"Christopher Richards" > wrote in
message om...
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
>
>
>
> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic black tea.
> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very nice cup
> of Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been obliged
> to switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
>
>
>
> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and expert. I
> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
>
>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org
>

If you like the idea of drinking organic tea, and you normally drink
Lyons, consider looking at some of the Needwood Estate tea from Ceylon.
They have Uva-grown CTC teas that are clean and brisk and not really
that much more expensive than Lyons. It happens to be organic, if that
is a big deal for you, but it's also good tea that doesn't cost a lot.

The Turkish Caykur that was recommended earlier in this thread is also
very inexpensive and quite reasonable, but it's not really all that
flavorful. Maybe the stuff I tried a year or so wasn't very fresh.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Screech and one last thing. Here is a Url for Turkish Caykur which
popped up one day using Google. All I can say I've tried everyone of
the loose Caykur teas found in my local Arabic markets and if there is
a taste difference I don't know what it is. I'm drinking the Cay
Cicegi (flower) brand now and might be less strong than the others but
not by much if any at all. Turkish tea is used in the Caydanlik, a
stovetop version of a Samovar but I find it does well in a pot.

Jim

http://www.tulumba.com/icy_items.asp?Cc=TEA_TURKISH
Christopher Richards wrote:
> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > The word organic is going to boil down to definitions and
standards.
> > To me it means pesticide free but others fertilizer free and more
> > stringent requirements. The cheapest penny/gram pesticide free
> > commercial tea I know is the Turkish Caykur brand. I don't worry
about
> > the chemicals but the other possible biomatter which is why I
always
> > boil water.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Christopher Richards wrote:
> >> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
> >>
> >> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I
didn't
> > pay
> >> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic
black
> > tea.
> >> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very
nice
> > cup of
> >> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> > obliged to
> >> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> > expert. I
> >> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >> www.slowdownnow.org
> >
>
> Thanks. I'll look for the Turkish Caykur.

Screech and one last thing. Here is a Url for Turkish Caykur which
popped up one day using Google. All I can say I've tried everyone of
the loose Caykur teas found in my local Arabic markets and if there is
a taste difference I don't know what it is. I'm drinking the Cay
Cicegi (flower) brand now and might be less strong than the others but
not by much if any at all. Turkish tea is used in the Caydanlik, a
stovetop version of a Samovar but I find it does well in a pot.

Jim

http://www.tulumba.com/icy_items.asp?Cc=TEA_TURKISH
Christopher Richards wrote:
> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > The word organic is going to boil down to definitions and
standards.
> > To me it means pesticide free but others fertilizer free and more
> > stringent requirements. The cheapest penny/gram pesticide free
> > commercial tea I know is the Turkish Caykur brand. I don't worry
about
> > the chemicals but the other possible biomatter which is why I
always
> > boil water.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Christopher Richards wrote:
> >> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
> >>
> >> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I
didn't
> > pay
> >> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In accordance with my hypochondrias I have been buying organic
black
> > tea.
> >> Wonderful though this is, it costs a fortune compared to a very
nice
> > cup of
> >> Lyons, which, because of domestic fiscal restraint, I have been
> > obliged to
> >> switch to. But what sort of chemicals am I ingesting?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know this group to be refined, knowledgeable, magnanimous, and
> > expert. I
> >> need something to worry about. But should it be my tea?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Christopher
> >>
> >> www.slowdownnow.org
> >
>
> Thanks. I'll look for the Turkish Caykur.

"Christopher Richards" > wrote in
message om...
> Hello Drinkers of the heavenly brew,
>
> I believe the organic question has been raised before, but I didn't pay
> attention. So please indulge me with your thoughts on the subject.

<snip, snip>
>
> Christopher
>
> www.slowdownnow.org
>

I drink organically-grown teas and coffees more often than not, but not
exclusively. I don't see it as a "life and death" issue, although if you
can think of a way of more effectively exposing yourself to pesticides other
than steeping the sprayed leaves of something in hot water and then drinking
the liquid, it would have to be smoking the leaves. I would strongly agree
with the person who mentioned that driving on the freeway is the greatest
day-to-day risk we take. No question.

Whether pesticides/fertilizers are a "poison" or whether they are mostly a
threat to the chemically sensitive, it sorta beside the point. They are
usually an unnecessary use of non-renewables resources.

I try to drink organic just as incremental contribution toward
sustainability, by increasing the market for growers who take that route.

Upton, and some of the other distributors, are helpful by noting which teas
are organic, or at least which claim to be, and there are certainly some
yummy mid-price choices for Darjeelings, Keemuns and oolongs

Warren.