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pilo_
 
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it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
from so gross a construction would seem to
be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
immeasurably. for greens i have a small
japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
these encourage sipping and savoring.

i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
adds to your overall tea experience..........p*
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pilo_ wrote:
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

Yes, I use a corningware mug- lighter than the pottery mugs I use for
my early morning coffee, yet holding enough for me not to run out in
the middle of something crucial. I have a couple of small Japan made
cups, holding 5 ounces, that I occasionally use for greens and whites,
but usually I keep them in the back of the second shelf behind the
measuring cups. It is important to me to keep my tea mugs and coffee
mugs separate. Toci

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Depends on the tea for me...I have mugs I drink my blacks out of with milk
and sugar, the usual, but for greens I've been using large clear glasses (I
drink a lot of tea if I drink it...right now I guess I'm the opposite of
gung fu concious). I have used a wine goblet for greens too, but I can't
decide if this helps or not. Also I have a smallish ceramic cup, sort of
like the smelling cup in a tea tasting set (taller than wide etc) that does
help with the scent.

I am curious to find out (and when I get other types of goblets I'll see )
whether the idea of a particular wine goblet for a particular type of spirit
carries over to tea. For instance, would a goblet made for red wines and
designed to show their tannins to the best effect, be good for a heavily
oxidized oolong? On the other hand, tea tasters have been doing it for ages
and chances are they know best as to what vessels show the tea best.



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"pilo_" > wrote in message
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>
>
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*



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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT, pilo_ wrote:

> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*


First of all, I want to acknowledge that drinking from different
vessels, say a guywan or a tasting cup, does affect the experience of
drinking tea. I have a set of Russian podstakani that we use for
"special occasions." How one consumes the beverage does have an
effect.

But, for the most part, we (my wife and I) simply don't care. We use
mugs. We use teacups with saucers. We use insulated travel mugs while
commuting. We typically drink tea for the flavor and the caffeine, not
for the "experience" of drinking it.

Admittedly, this is a rather pedestrian approach - especially in the
presence of those who admire and practice Asian ceremonies. But it's
life. Neither my wife nor I like coffee. We drink tea because we're
craving a hot beverage with caffeine. We love the flavors and we love
trying new types - scented, flavored, blended, or otherwise
unadulterated.

Ceremony is nice, but I don't have time to dwell on ceremony when I'm
working. I just want my tea (and I get a little cranky without it).

Admittedly, that makes me a "tea gourmand" and not a gourmet. But so
be it. I'll wear that label proudly.

At least I don't use bags.

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Derek

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"pilo_" > wrote in message
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>
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*


I do most of my tea drinking from small 2oz. Japanese cups, probably like
the one you refer to. I have one at the office that I use with my Zisha
Gaiwan to brew and drink green puerh. At home in the evening my wife and I
usually drink some Japanese green or an oolong in the same type cups. I
agree that it encouraged sipping and savoring. Somehow the tea just seems
to taste better from them. Maybe it's because I tend to slurp a bit of air
with each sip. Could help bring out the aroma in the taste.

I don't minds mugs for black or some greens such as gunpowder. I must admit
to occasionally brewing several steeps of sencha and filling a large travel
mug when I'm on the go. I'd like to get a clear glass gaiwan to brew greens
and oolongs at home.

Blues




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pilo_ > writes:

> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the drinking vessel can and
> should be to the tea experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green from so gross a
> construction would seem to be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot
> of oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un- finished red-clay
> cup made in india. it adds immeasurably.


You mean a railroad chai cup? Is the idea to have the cup taste of
oolong even when you drink water from it?

> for greens i have a small japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use adds to your overall
> tea experience..........p*


My favorite cup these days is a tall, thin-walled porcelain cup that
rarely gets filled even halfway. There's plenty of room for the
vapors to swim around.

/Lew
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i ejoy drinking my tea in several different types of vessels depending on
type of tea and/or how i feel-


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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT
pilo_ > wrote:

>
>
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*



I have my morning tea - a very malty assam - with milk - in a heavy
glass 18oz beer mug

It adds to my overall experience by being easy to handle when I'm half
awake, and by being more convenient than two 8oz mugs.

At work it's a tempered glass mug with walls so thin I fear that if it
ever breaks it will lop a finger clean off, or at least slice me to
ribbons.

It is an integral part of my tea ritual at work. It just wouldn't make
any sense any other way.

Other times, it's 6oz glass mugs. Yes, I do see a pattern forming.

I'm considering finding a rocket ship or sputnuk themed podstakannik to
complement hours spent reading polish science fiction, since i'm really
just a big, grown up nerd anyway.

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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT
pilo_ > wrote:

>
>
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*



I have my morning tea - a very malty assam - with milk - in a heavy
glass 18oz beer mug

It adds to my overall experience by being easy to handle when I'm half
awake, and by being more convenient than two 8oz mugs.

At work it's a tempered glass mug with walls so thin I fear that if it
ever breaks it will lop a finger clean off, or at least slice me to
ribbons.

It is an integral part of my tea ritual at work. It just wouldn't make
any sense any other way.

Other times, it's 6oz glass mugs. Yes, I do see a pattern forming.

I'm considering finding a rocket ship or sputnuk themed podstakannik to
complement hours spent reading polish science fiction, since i'm really
just a big, grown up nerd anyway.

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I'm not advanced enough to distinguish tastes from different drinking
vessels, so I just try to follow whatever's recommended.

I use a very thin glass cup for most green teas and oolong, so that I can
let the water cool down faster, look at the leaves sink and the hair ("mao")
floating in the water.

If I'm brewing with a tea pot, I use a cup that's big enough for all the
tea. My green tea pot is 16 oz --> big glass mug, and my Pu-er pot is 7
oz -->my normal porcelain cup.

For teas steeped with a teaball, I use porcelain cup.

When I'm in the mood, I look around cupboards for something fancy.

I'm thinking of getting some little clay cups though.

Now, when traveling.... I don't enjoy using my thermos... the colour changes
and the taste is sort of lost. I'm thinking of, instead of putting steeped
tea in the thermos, I'll put hot water in it, and bring along tea leaves to
brew wherever I am.

Katie Tam




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Hi Pilo,

The cup is at least as important as the surroundings which should be
pleasant.

A cup should be :

-thin...thick material has a negative impact on your taste buds
-white
-shallow and not too deep to see the colour of the tea
-nice to look at.....you must like t look at the cup to begin with
- out of china bone
-easy to handle in your hands
-appropiate for the type of tea
Best
Kalle Grieger


pilo_ schrieb:
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*


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"pilo_" > wrote in message
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>
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*


Yes, definitely. For black teas, I like the cup that came in a Brown Betty
Tea-for-One set or a glass mug. For green teas, I usually use the glass mug
if I'm feeling thirsty or a small Asian-style cup for regular sipping. For
white tea, it's gotta be an 8 oz bone china mug because the thin wall and
turned edge go so well with the delicate color and flavor. For rooibos, it's
another tall, 12 oz mug.

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"pilo_" > wrote in message
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>
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*


Yes, definitely. For black teas, I like the cup that came in a Brown Betty
Tea-for-One set or a glass mug. For green teas, I usually use the glass mug
if I'm feeling thirsty or a small Asian-style cup for regular sipping. For
white tea, it's gotta be an 8 oz bone china mug because the thin wall and
turned edge go so well with the delicate color and flavor. For rooibos, it's
another tall, 12 oz mug.

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Eric Jorgensen > writes:

> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT
> pilo_ > wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >
> > i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> > adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

>
> I have my morning tea - a very malty assam - with milk - in a heavy
> glass 18oz beer mug


Have you been able to develop a decent head on that brew?

/Lew
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KALLE GRIEGER > writes:

> Hi Pilo,
>
> The cup is at least as important as the surroundings which should be
> pleasant.
>
> A cup should be :
>
> -thin...thick material has a negative impact on your taste buds


I like thin cups too, but ... taste buds?!

> -white


Yes, to see the color of the tea.

> -shallow and not too deep to see the colour of the tea


I don't think depth gets in the way of seeing the tea, but shallowness
prevents the aroma from concentrating in the space over the surface of
the liquor.

/Lew
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On 03 Apr 2005 11:43:44 -0400
Lewis Perin > wrote:

> Eric Jorgensen > writes:
>
> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT
> > pilo_ > wrote:
> >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> > > adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

> >
> > I have my morning tea - a very malty assam - with milk - in a heavy
> > glass 18oz beer mug

>
> Have you been able to develop a decent head on that brew?



Just a little foam from the milk.
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"KALLE GRIEGER" > wrote in message

> A cup should be :
>
> -thin...thick material has a negative impact on your taste buds


Heavy thick hand-made clay cups have a dramatic effect on my taste buds.
Even water seems tastier in them.

> -white


I also have cups that are white, white inside or whitish, if you use them
too much, that gives a feeling of being in an old laboratory. It's a
pleasure to enjoy a same tea in different color environments.
I have a fascination for green tea in black-blue bowls or deep turkish blue,
white-blue* and celadon cups. I find macha in white bowls very unappetising.

*in Japanese light blue is mizu-iro and the color of the liquor is sui-shoku
but both are written with the same characters, so seeing sui-shoku in
mizu-iro is always fun for me.

> -shallow and not too deep to see the colour of the tea
> -nice to look at.....you must like t look at the cup to begin with
> - out of china bone
> -easy to handle in your hands
> -appropiate for the type of tea


I guess I don't drink much of the type of tea appropriated for your thin
white china cup.

Kuri


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I drink my tea almost exclusively (both at home and at work) from bone
china mugs. Upton tea has a nice selection of Roy Kirkham mugs, and I
have a nice set of 4 that I got from Smithsonian catalog. They are not
at all cheap, but they are worth it to me.

I also have a set of 4 asian tea cups that a friend brought back to me
from Japan. These I use occasionally.

I will absolutely NOT drink tea from paper or styrofoam. To me, they
ruin the taste.
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Lewis Perin wrote:

> My favorite cup these days is a tall, thin-walled porcelain cup
> that rarely gets filled even halfway. There's plenty of room
> for the vapors to swim around.


Filling half way is also more comforting, in an humble, ascetic
way. Just imagine if those Japanese tea bowls were filled to the
brim.

--crymad
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Lewis Perin wrote:

> My favorite cup these days is a tall, thin-walled porcelain cup
> that rarely gets filled even halfway. There's plenty of room
> for the vapors to swim around.


Filling half way is also more comforting, in an humble, ascetic
way. Just imagine if those Japanese tea bowls were filled to the
brim.

--crymad


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The tea offered in paper or styrofoam is already ruined tea- stale and
over sweetened. Diet cola is a better choice. toci

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4/2/05

> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT, pilo_ wrote:
>
>> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
>> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

>
> First of all, I want to acknowledge that drinking from different
> vessels, say a guywan or a tasting cup, does affect the experience of
> drinking tea. I have a set of Russian podstakani that we use for
> "special occasions." How one consumes the beverage does have an
> effect.
>
> But, for the most part, we (my wife and I) simply don't care. We use
> mugs. We use teacups with saucers. We use insulated travel mugs while
> commuting. We typically drink tea for the flavor and the caffeine, not
> for the "experience" of drinking it.
>
> Admittedly, this is a rather pedestrian approach - especially in the
> presence of those who admire and practice Asian ceremonies. But it's
> life. Neither my wife nor I like coffee. We drink tea because we're
> craving a hot beverage with caffeine. We love the flavors and we love
> trying new types - scented, flavored, blended, or otherwise
> unadulterated.
>
> Ceremony is nice, but I don't have time to dwell on ceremony when I'm
> working. I just want my tea (and I get a little cranky without it).
>
> Admittedly, that makes me a "tea gourmand" and not a gourmet. But so
> be it. I'll wear that label proudly.
>
> At least I don't use bags.



Sometimes it's ceremony. Sometimes it's a mug. Occasionally it's the mug
ceremony. At least you don't use bags. I can't say the same. Now, to look up
gourmand and gourmet.

Michael

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4/2/05

> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT, pilo_ wrote:
>
>> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
>> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

>
> First of all, I want to acknowledge that drinking from different
> vessels, say a guywan or a tasting cup, does affect the experience of
> drinking tea. I have a set of Russian podstakani that we use for
> "special occasions." How one consumes the beverage does have an
> effect.
>
> But, for the most part, we (my wife and I) simply don't care. We use
> mugs. We use teacups with saucers. We use insulated travel mugs while
> commuting. We typically drink tea for the flavor and the caffeine, not
> for the "experience" of drinking it.
>
> Admittedly, this is a rather pedestrian approach - especially in the
> presence of those who admire and practice Asian ceremonies. But it's
> life. Neither my wife nor I like coffee. We drink tea because we're
> craving a hot beverage with caffeine. We love the flavors and we love
> trying new types - scented, flavored, blended, or otherwise
> unadulterated.
>
> Ceremony is nice, but I don't have time to dwell on ceremony when I'm
> working. I just want my tea (and I get a little cranky without it).
>
> Admittedly, that makes me a "tea gourmand" and not a gourmet. But so
> be it. I'll wear that label proudly.
>
> At least I don't use bags.



Sometimes it's ceremony. Sometimes it's a mug. Occasionally it's the mug
ceremony. At least you don't use bags. I can't say the same. Now, to look up
gourmand and gourmet.

Michael

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4/2/05

> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:54:15 GMT, pilo_ wrote:
>
>> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
>> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

>
> First of all, I want to acknowledge that drinking from different
> vessels, say a guywan or a tasting cup, does affect the experience of
> drinking tea. I have a set of Russian podstakani that we use for
> "special occasions." How one consumes the beverage does have an
> effect.
>
> But, for the most part, we (my wife and I) simply don't care. We use
> mugs. We use teacups with saucers. We use insulated travel mugs while
> commuting. We typically drink tea for the flavor and the caffeine, not
> for the "experience" of drinking it.
>
> Admittedly, this is a rather pedestrian approach - especially in the
> presence of those who admire and practice Asian ceremonies. But it's
> life. Neither my wife nor I like coffee. We drink tea because we're
> craving a hot beverage with caffeine. We love the flavors and we love
> trying new types - scented, flavored, blended, or otherwise
> unadulterated.
>
> Ceremony is nice, but I don't have time to dwell on ceremony when I'm
> working. I just want my tea (and I get a little cranky without it).
>
> Admittedly, that makes me a "tea gourmand" and not a gourmet. But so
> be it. I'll wear that label proudly.
>
> At least I don't use bags.



Sometimes it's ceremony. Sometimes it's a mug. Occasionally it's the mug
ceremony. At least you don't use bags. I can't say the same. Now, to look up
gourmand and gourmet.

Michael

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Hi,

For tea, I use off-white Gung-fu sized cups or Shino glazed saki cups at
home when we have no guests.. In the office I use five ounce, white
interior, Japanese cylindrical cups or porcelain Gung-fu cups. All depends
on mood. For company, I use Gung-fu cups that work with the tea-stuff and
the tea. Often I use aroma cups. The mood of the moment has a lot to do with
it. At Starbucks, I use a paper cup and a teabag.

Michael


KALLE 4/3/05

> Hi Pilo,
>
> The cup is at least as important as the surroundings which should be
> pleasant.
>
> A cup should be :
>
> -thin...thick material has a negative impact on your taste buds
> -white
> -shallow and not too deep to see the colour of the tea
> -nice to look at.....you must like t look at the cup to begin with
> - out of china bone
> -easy to handle in your hands
> -appropiate for the type of tea
> Best
> Kalle Grieger
>
>
> pilo_ schrieb:
>> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
>> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
>> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
>> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
>> from so gross a construction would seem to
>> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
>> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
>> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
>> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
>> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
>> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>>
>> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
>> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*

>




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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:27:50 GMT, Michael Plant wrote:

> Sometimes it's ceremony. Sometimes it's a mug. Occasionally it's the mug
> ceremony. At least you don't use bags. I can't say the same. Now, to look up
> gourmand and gourmet.


I have to confess to using bags as last resorts - such as when at a
conference and the only other thing at the beverage table is coffee,
or I'm out with friends when they decide to stop for coffee. I figure
grousing about the tea will just annoy the people around me, so I just
suck it up and use the bag.

I've also made my own bags of my loose leaf teas for travel. They
don't work so well, so I bought an ingenuitea to take with me on
trips.

As for the gourmand/gourmet dichotomy, a gourmet is a connoisseur -
only the best will do, and it has to be served properly. A gourmand is
just interested in good food and drink. In most instances, I fall into
the latter category.

This is probably why my local shop owner grimaces when I tell him that
we drink scented teas at breakfast.

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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:27:50 GMT, Michael Plant wrote:

> Sometimes it's ceremony. Sometimes it's a mug. Occasionally it's the mug
> ceremony. At least you don't use bags. I can't say the same. Now, to look up
> gourmand and gourmet.


I have to confess to using bags as last resorts - such as when at a
conference and the only other thing at the beverage table is coffee,
or I'm out with friends when they decide to stop for coffee. I figure
grousing about the tea will just annoy the people around me, so I just
suck it up and use the bag.

I've also made my own bags of my loose leaf teas for travel. They
don't work so well, so I bought an ingenuitea to take with me on
trips.

As for the gourmand/gourmet dichotomy, a gourmet is a connoisseur -
only the best will do, and it has to be served properly. A gourmand is
just interested in good food and drink. In most instances, I fall into
the latter category.

This is probably why my local shop owner grimaces when I tell him that
we drink scented teas at breakfast.

--
Derek

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I've given up on everything but glass. It is easier to clean plus
added visual aesthetics. When you pull the innards from a Tea Press it
makes a nice glass cup. That rim spout makes a wonderful sipping
trough. I also modify the innards and use them as a teapot. My
smallest is 100ml and largest 1.5l. I just wait to find them at
discount. They've just started to appear in Asian stores and much
cheaper than the equivalent Western retail. And I use my share of
styrofoam cups. They also come in various sizes. It's good for
judging color and instant pristine odor/taste free cup. You can only
use them once because tea will leave signature footprint immediately.
I'll sometimes do that to measure the relative strengths of multiple
infusions. A styrofoam cup never forgets. I picked this habit up from
my local tea shoppe because they only use styrofoam for takeout and I'm
too cheap to dinein and pay $1.50 more for a pot.

Jim

pilo_ wrote:
> it occurs to me this morning how crucial the
> drinking vessel can and should be to the tea
> experience. for example, i cannot drink ANY
> tea out of a mug. to drink a delicate green
> from so gross a construction would seem to
> be a bad thing. i've been drinking a lot of
> oolong lately, and for that i use a small, un-
> finished red-clay cup made in india. it adds
> immeasurably. for greens i have a small
> japan-made cup, like a little tea-bowl.
> these encourage sipping and savoring.
>
> i'd be interested to know if the cup you use
> adds to your overall tea experience..........p*


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"Derek" > wrote in message ...
>
> As for the gourmand/gourmet dichotomy, a gourmet is a connoisseur -
> only the best will do, and it has to be served properly. A gourmand is
> just interested in good food and drink.


Ahem! *just* interested?

From
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...urmand&x=0&y=0
(emphasis mine):

One entry found for gourmand.

Main Entry: gour·mand
Pronunciation: 'gur-"mänd, -m&nd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gourmant
1 : one who is _EXCESSIVELY_ fond of eating and drinking
2 : one who is _HEARTILY_ interested in good food and drink

> In most instances, I fall into the latter category.


Me, too. It's a good thing that tea doesn't add to one's waistline.

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"Derek" > wrote in message ...
>
> As for the gourmand/gourmet dichotomy, a gourmet is a connoisseur -
> only the best will do, and it has to be served properly. A gourmand is
> just interested in good food and drink.


Ahem! *just* interested?

From
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...urmand&x=0&y=0
(emphasis mine):

One entry found for gourmand.

Main Entry: gour·mand
Pronunciation: 'gur-"mänd, -m&nd
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gourmant
1 : one who is _EXCESSIVELY_ fond of eating and drinking
2 : one who is _HEARTILY_ interested in good food and drink

> In most instances, I fall into the latter category.


Me, too. It's a good thing that tea doesn't add to one's waistline.

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"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
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> I've given up on everything but glass. It is easier to clean plus
> added visual aesthetics.


Yes, that's why I use a glass mug, but I can't drag myself away from the
others, yet. The mug that I now use for rooibos used to be my black tea mug
before I got the BB cup and glass mug. I still like it, but it's
significantly harder to clean and rooibos doesn't stain.

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"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
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> I've given up on everything but glass. It is easier to clean plus
> added visual aesthetics.


Yes, that's why I use a glass mug, but I can't drag myself away from the
others, yet. The mug that I now use for rooibos used to be my black tea mug
before I got the BB cup and glass mug. I still like it, but it's
significantly harder to clean and rooibos doesn't stain.

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"Space Cowboy" > wrote in message
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> I've given up on everything but glass. It is easier to clean plus
> added visual aesthetics.


Yes, that's why I use a glass mug, but I can't drag myself away from the
others, yet. The mug that I now use for rooibos used to be my black tea mug
before I got the BB cup and glass mug. I still like it, but it's
significantly harder to clean and rooibos doesn't stain.

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Which raises a question I don't think discussed before. Does your
spouse/so also drink tea? In my domicile I pick and prepare the tea
with my wife drinking the whatever so long as it isn't some smokey
Chinese. On the weekends she'll drink hot tea but the weekdays she
likes it cold from the refrigerator after work. We have a ritual where
any tea I buy she gets to smell first too let me know if she can drink
it even is some innocuous Ceylon. It has to pass her smokey test. The
last TGY I bought just about passed that test. I was so close. She
said she could probably drink it weak and chilled with lime. She knows
when I make the Chinese teas she doesn't like and she'll let me know in
a condescending way. Other than that we're on the same tea scale. She
knows what to buy in tea accoutrements. She bought some $10 closeout
tetsubins for Christmas.

Jim

Derek wrote:
> Neither my wife nor I like coffee. We drink tea because we're
> craving a hot beverage with caffeine. We love the flavors and we love
> trying new types - scented, flavored, blended, or otherwise
> unadulterated.


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Which raises a question I don't think discussed before. Does your
spouse/so also drink tea? In my domicile I pick and prepare the tea
with my wife drinking the whatever so long as it isn't some smokey
Chinese. On the weekends she'll drink hot tea but the weekdays she
likes it cold from the refrigerator after work. We have a ritual where
any tea I buy she gets to smell first too let me know if she can drink
it even is some innocuous Ceylon. It has to pass her smokey test. The
last TGY I bought just about passed that test. I was so close. She
said she could probably drink it weak and chilled with lime. She knows
when I make the Chinese teas she doesn't like and she'll let me know in
a condescending way. Other than that we're on the same tea scale. She
knows what to buy in tea accoutrements. She bought some $10 closeout
tetsubins for Christmas.

Jim

Derek wrote:
> Neither my wife nor I like coffee. We drink tea because we're
> craving a hot beverage with caffeine. We love the flavors and we love
> trying new types - scented, flavored, blended, or otherwise
> unadulterated.




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>
> "Derek" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> As for the gourmand/gourmet dichotomy, a gourmet is a connoisseur -
>> only the best will do, and it has to be served properly. A gourmand is
>> just interested in good food and drink.

>
> Ahem! *just* interested?
>
> From
>
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...urmand&x=0&y=0
> (emphasis mine):
>
> One entry found for gourmand.
>
> Main Entry: gour


So, the first is the professional and the second the amateur, in a sense.
I'll be the latter. I'm not brainy enough for the former, and besides,
knowledge is the booby prize of life. I actually looked in the dictionary --
American Heritage, 4th ed. BTW, since you can now get a copy of MW Third
International for around $40.00 in NYC, are they on the verge of putting out
another edition, anyone?

Michael

I'm drinking a Tie Lo Han, which is quite nice with touches of sweetness in
a rich body alternating light wood and a toasty roasty bit that's not
overdone and so not obtrusive. There's a little metal thing in the aroma and
in the taste when you steep longer, but not a bad one.

I'm listening to the earliest Bessie Smith recordings I've got (from
1923,24).



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>
> "Derek" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> As for the gourmand/gourmet dichotomy, a gourmet is a connoisseur -
>> only the best will do, and it has to be served properly. A gourmand is
>> just interested in good food and drink.

>
> Ahem! *just* interested?
>
> From
>
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...urmand&x=0&y=0
> (emphasis mine):
>
> One entry found for gourmand.
>
> Main Entry: gour


So, the first is the professional and the second the amateur, in a sense.
I'll be the latter. I'm not brainy enough for the former, and besides,
knowledge is the booby prize of life. I actually looked in the dictionary --
American Heritage, 4th ed. BTW, since you can now get a copy of MW Third
International for around $40.00 in NYC, are they on the verge of putting out
another edition, anyone?

Michael

I'm drinking a Tie Lo Han, which is quite nice with touches of sweetness in
a rich body alternating light wood and a toasty roasty bit that's not
overdone and so not obtrusive. There's a little metal thing in the aroma and
in the taste when you steep longer, but not a bad one.

I'm listening to the earliest Bessie Smith recordings I've got (from
1923,24).



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> Michael
>
> I'm drinking a Tie Lo Han, which is quite nice with touches of sweetness
> in
> a rich body alternating light wood and a toasty roasty bit that's not
> overdone and so not obtrusive. There's a little metal thing in the aroma
> and
> in the taste when you steep longer, but not a bad one.
>
> I'm listening to the earliest Bessie Smith recordings I've got (from
> 1923,24).
>


Don't know about Ti Lo Han, but Bessie is tasty!

Blues


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> Michael
>
> I'm drinking a Tie Lo Han, which is quite nice with touches of sweetness
> in
> a rich body alternating light wood and a toasty roasty bit that's not
> overdone and so not obtrusive. There's a little metal thing in the aroma
> and
> in the taste when you steep longer, but not a bad one.
>
> I'm listening to the earliest Bessie Smith recordings I've got (from
> 1923,24).
>


Don't know about Ti Lo Han, but Bessie is tasty!

Blues


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