Tea (rec.drink.tea) Discussion relating to tea, the world's second most consumed beverage (after water), made by infusing or boiling the leaves of the tea plant (C. sinensis or close relatives) in water.

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Marten Nilsson
 
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Hi all.

I've heard that in Russia it's tradition to drink tea from some sort of glass.
Does anyone know what these look like?

What kind of tea does people drink in Russia? Are there any other traditions
connected with it?

/Marten
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Russians drink tea from teacups and also thin tea glasses with a metal
holder, called "podstakannik" - or glass-holder.You can find them here at
"Sovetskoj Collection" catalog and web site.
http://secure.sovietski.com/cgi-bin/...ct/View/142211
The best are made of fine silver. The ones above are not and are
ridiculously expensive.

If you do some serach on this forum you will find several threads on Russian
tea drinking.
Normally Russians drink Ceylon and Indian black teas. Nowadays Chinese and
Japanese teas are getting lots of attention. Large cities have many
sophisticated teaclubs with gong-fu, etc., as my friends who live there tell
me.
Traditionally strong black tea with sugar and lemon made with samovar was
"the" Russian tea.

Sasha.

"Marten Nilsson" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all.
>
> I've heard that in Russia it's tradition to drink tea from some sort of
> glass.
> Does anyone know what these look like?
>
> What kind of tea does people drink in Russia? Are there any other
> traditions
> connected with it?
>
> /Marten



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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:59:53 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:

> Russians drink tea from teacups and also thin tea glasses with a metal
> holder, called "podstakannik" - or glass-holder.You can find them here at
> "Sovetskoj Collection" catalog and web site.
> http://secure.sovietski.com/cgi-bin/...ct/View/142211
> The best are made of fine silver. The ones above are not and are
> ridiculously expensive.


Sovietski Collection is always a bit overpriced. On the other hand, my
mother bought me a set of podstakanniki from them 10 years ago, and I
still use them.

You can also find them on eBay, although none of the ones I saw listed
this morning included the glasses themselves.

However, I have found that they are really only good if you're having
a tea break. They have very little thermal density to keep tea warm
over a longer period of time. As I tend to drink slowly throughout the
course of the day while sitting at the computer, my podstakanniki tend
to stay on the shelf.

--
Derek

If Wile E. Coyote had enough money to buy all those things from ACME,
why didn't he just order a pizza?
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Sasha, tell me about Russians sometimes adding jam to sweeten their tea
with, I thought I read this somewhere. What kind of jam do they use? Is
there a class distinction between using a sugar lump/cube and using jam?

Melinda


"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
. com...
> Russians drink tea from teacups and also thin tea glasses with a metal
> holder, called "podstakannik" - or glass-holder.You can find them here at
> "Sovetskoj Collection" catalog and web site.
> http://secure.sovietski.com/cgi-bin/...ct/View/142211
> The best are made of fine silver. The ones above are not and are
> ridiculously expensive.
>
> If you do some serach on this forum you will find several threads on
> Russian tea drinking.
> Normally Russians drink Ceylon and Indian black teas. Nowadays Chinese and
> Japanese teas are getting lots of attention. Large cities have many
> sophisticated teaclubs with gong-fu, etc., as my friends who live there
> tell me.
> Traditionally strong black tea with sugar and lemon made with samovar was
> "the" Russian tea.
>
> Sasha.
>
> "Marten Nilsson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I've heard that in Russia it's tradition to drink tea from some sort of
>> glass.
>> Does anyone know what these look like?
>>
>> What kind of tea does people drink in Russia? Are there any other
>> traditions
>> connected with it?
>>
>> /Marten

>
>



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Sasha, tell me about Russians sometimes adding jam to sweeten their tea
with, I thought I read this somewhere. What kind of jam do they use? Is
there a class distinction between using a sugar lump/cube and using jam?

Melinda


"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
. com...
> Russians drink tea from teacups and also thin tea glasses with a metal
> holder, called "podstakannik" - or glass-holder.You can find them here at
> "Sovetskoj Collection" catalog and web site.
> http://secure.sovietski.com/cgi-bin/...ct/View/142211
> The best are made of fine silver. The ones above are not and are
> ridiculously expensive.
>
> If you do some serach on this forum you will find several threads on
> Russian tea drinking.
> Normally Russians drink Ceylon and Indian black teas. Nowadays Chinese and
> Japanese teas are getting lots of attention. Large cities have many
> sophisticated teaclubs with gong-fu, etc., as my friends who live there
> tell me.
> Traditionally strong black tea with sugar and lemon made with samovar was
> "the" Russian tea.
>
> Sasha.
>
> "Marten Nilsson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I've heard that in Russia it's tradition to drink tea from some sort of
>> glass.
>> Does anyone know what these look like?
>>
>> What kind of tea does people drink in Russia? Are there any other
>> traditions
>> connected with it?
>>
>> /Marten

>
>





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People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right before
bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get rid of
cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

There are two ways to drink tea with sugar Russian style - just adding any
type sugar to your tea and what we call "wprikusku" - sugar limp tea
drinking (biting off a small piece of sugar and sip tea through it). The
latter is considered to be lower class but is actually enjoyable when sweet
things are in shortage (third month in Siberian taiga). But again - the real
classic Russian tea is strong Ceylon with or without lemon and no sugar, but
many sweet baked things - different cakes and pies (especially pies with
wild berries, like a blueberry, blackberry, black and red currants, etc.).
Believe me a blueberry pie with wild blueberry is nothing like the ones you
find at your local supermarket. My favorite - wild cranberry (also very
different from industrial variety here - it is soft and very, very juicy)
and lingonberry (you can find that at your local IKEA store) - it has very
complicated taste with sour and bitter undertones, very good in pies with
tea. OK, OK, I an salivating drooling and need to grab a can of lingonberry
jam... take care!

Sasha.


"Melinda" > wrote in message
...
> Sasha, tell me about Russians sometimes adding jam to sweeten their tea
> with, I thought I read this somewhere. What kind of jam do they use? Is
> there a class distinction between using a sugar lump/cube and using jam?
>
> Melinda
>
>
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> Russians drink tea from teacups and also thin tea glasses with a metal
>> holder, called "podstakannik" - or glass-holder.You can find them here at
>> "Sovetskoj Collection" catalog and web site.
>> http://secure.sovietski.com/cgi-bin/...ct/View/142211
>> The best are made of fine silver. The ones above are not and are
>> ridiculously expensive.
>>
>> If you do some serach on this forum you will find several threads on
>> Russian tea drinking.
>> Normally Russians drink Ceylon and Indian black teas. Nowadays Chinese
>> and Japanese teas are getting lots of attention. Large cities have many
>> sophisticated teaclubs with gong-fu, etc., as my friends who live there
>> tell me.
>> Traditionally strong black tea with sugar and lemon made with samovar was
>> "the" Russian tea.
>>
>> Sasha.
>>
>> "Marten Nilsson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I've heard that in Russia it's tradition to drink tea from some sort of
>>> glass.
>>> Does anyone know what these look like?
>>>
>>> What kind of tea does people drink in Russia? Are there any other
>>> traditions
>>> connected with it?
>>>
>>> /Marten

>>
>>

>
>



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People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right before
bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get rid of
cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

There are two ways to drink tea with sugar Russian style - just adding any
type sugar to your tea and what we call "wprikusku" - sugar limp tea
drinking (biting off a small piece of sugar and sip tea through it). The
latter is considered to be lower class but is actually enjoyable when sweet
things are in shortage (third month in Siberian taiga). But again - the real
classic Russian tea is strong Ceylon with or without lemon and no sugar, but
many sweet baked things - different cakes and pies (especially pies with
wild berries, like a blueberry, blackberry, black and red currants, etc.).
Believe me a blueberry pie with wild blueberry is nothing like the ones you
find at your local supermarket. My favorite - wild cranberry (also very
different from industrial variety here - it is soft and very, very juicy)
and lingonberry (you can find that at your local IKEA store) - it has very
complicated taste with sour and bitter undertones, very good in pies with
tea. OK, OK, I an salivating drooling and need to grab a can of lingonberry
jam... take care!

Sasha.


"Melinda" > wrote in message
...
> Sasha, tell me about Russians sometimes adding jam to sweeten their tea
> with, I thought I read this somewhere. What kind of jam do they use? Is
> there a class distinction between using a sugar lump/cube and using jam?
>
> Melinda
>
>
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> Russians drink tea from teacups and also thin tea glasses with a metal
>> holder, called "podstakannik" - or glass-holder.You can find them here at
>> "Sovetskoj Collection" catalog and web site.
>> http://secure.sovietski.com/cgi-bin/...ct/View/142211
>> The best are made of fine silver. The ones above are not and are
>> ridiculously expensive.
>>
>> If you do some serach on this forum you will find several threads on
>> Russian tea drinking.
>> Normally Russians drink Ceylon and Indian black teas. Nowadays Chinese
>> and Japanese teas are getting lots of attention. Large cities have many
>> sophisticated teaclubs with gong-fu, etc., as my friends who live there
>> tell me.
>> Traditionally strong black tea with sugar and lemon made with samovar was
>> "the" Russian tea.
>>
>> Sasha.
>>
>> "Marten Nilsson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I've heard that in Russia it's tradition to drink tea from some sort of
>>> glass.
>>> Does anyone know what these look like?
>>>
>>> What kind of tea does people drink in Russia? Are there any other
>>> traditions
>>> connected with it?
>>>
>>> /Marten

>>
>>

>
>



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"Alex Chaihorsky" > writes:

> Another uniquely Russian style of low class tea drinking is to drink
> it from the tea cup saucer - holding it on the level with your mouth
> and drink the tea from it with unique noisy sound for which I have
> no English word.


"Slurp"?

/Lew
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"Alex Chaihorsky" > writes:

> Another uniquely Russian style of low class tea drinking is to drink
> it from the tea cup saucer - holding it on the level with your mouth
> and drink the tea from it with unique noisy sound for which I have
> no English word.


"Slurp"?

/Lew
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"Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
news
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > writes:
>
>> Another uniquely Russian style of low class tea drinking is to drink
>> it from the tea cup saucer - holding it on the level with your mouth
>> and drink the tea from it with unique noisy sound for which I have
>> no English word.

>
> "Slurp"?
>
> /Lew


Exactly!

Sasha.




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"Lewis Perin" > wrote in message
news
> "Alex Chaihorsky" > writes:
>
>> Another uniquely Russian style of low class tea drinking is to drink
>> it from the tea cup saucer - holding it on the level with your mouth
>> and drink the tea from it with unique noisy sound for which I have
>> no English word.

>
> "Slurp"?
>
> /Lew


Exactly!

Sasha.


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"Melinda" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks a lot, those are great paintings. I wonder if Great Britain has
> such a collection of pictures of people drinking tea, and if not why not.
>
> I know what you mean about the blueberries...I spent some time in Iceland
> and the low-bush blueberries there were all over the place, very tasty. I
> never got a pie made from them though. And the people I was staying with
> all drank coffee. Come to think of it, I didn't see tea once while I was
> there. Not even iced bottled tea.
>
> Melinda


Vikings were always known or their rough tastes and bad manners. Can you
imagine a Viking being invited by a samurai to share tea with a fellow
warrior?
I recently was asked to show my reaserch to a Icelander who happens to be a
friend of a very close friend of mine and just sold his beer business in
Russia and wanted to "better the world" with his money. He never even get
back at me with a polite word of thanks, let alone return any of my
confidential documents. I have no idea if this is common in Iceland today,
but it definitely fits their medieval reputation. In my practice this was
the first case like that.

Sasha.


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Sasha,

In the event that I ever fail to do so adequately again, I want to
thank you for rekindling my interest in things Russian. I have begun
to remember that I didn't spend 5 years studying the language because
I fell in love with words that had 5 consonants stuck together. It
always came back to the history, culture and people.

So thank you. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts, have been
reminded of what I had forgotten, and have learned some things new.

--
Derek

Not all pain is gain.
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Sasha,

In the event that I ever fail to do so adequately again, I want to
thank you for rekindling my interest in things Russian. I have begun
to remember that I didn't spend 5 years studying the language because
I fell in love with words that had 5 consonants stuck together. It
always came back to the history, culture and people.

So thank you. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts, have been
reminded of what I had forgotten, and have learned some things new.

--
Derek

Not all pain is gain.
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Sasha,

In the event that I ever fail to do so adequately again, I want to
thank you for rekindling my interest in things Russian. I have begun
to remember that I didn't spend 5 years studying the language because
I fell in love with words that had 5 consonants stuck together. It
always came back to the history, culture and people.

So thank you. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts, have been
reminded of what I had forgotten, and have learned some things new.

--
Derek

Not all pain is gain.


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Derek -

Where do you study and when? Where are you now? What do you do?

Sasha.

"Derek" > wrote in message ...
> Sasha,
>
> In the event that I ever fail to do so adequately again, I want to
> thank you for rekindling my interest in things Russian. I have begun
> to remember that I didn't spend 5 years studying the language because
> I fell in love with words that had 5 consonants stuck together. It
> always came back to the history, culture and people.
>
> So thank you. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts, have been
> reminded of what I had forgotten, and have learned some things new.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> Not all pain is gain.



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Derek -

Where do you study and when? Where are you now? What do you do?

Sasha.

"Derek" > wrote in message ...
> Sasha,
>
> In the event that I ever fail to do so adequately again, I want to
> thank you for rekindling my interest in things Russian. I have begun
> to remember that I didn't spend 5 years studying the language because
> I fell in love with words that had 5 consonants stuck together. It
> always came back to the history, culture and people.
>
> So thank you. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts, have been
> reminded of what I had forgotten, and have learned some things new.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> Not all pain is gain.



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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:24:14 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:

> Derek -
>
> Where do you study and when? Where are you now? What do you do?
>
> Sasha.


I did my undergraduate work at the University of Kentucky. I majored
in Individual & Family Development and Family Resource Management. I
got cheated out of a minor in Russian because, at the last minute,
they told me that I couldn't use an independent study course for
credit toward a minor. So when I had a year to kill before graduate
school, I worked part time and completed the courses I needed to
finish the degree in Russian studies.

Now, I'm in Minnesota. I have been in graduate school for the last 10
years - both MA and, currently, a stalled Ph.D. - in Family Social
Science. Unfortunately, in the mean time, I lost my opportunities to
practice speaking in Russian and have forgotten much of it, although I
did immediately recognize the roots of "podstakanik".

I currently work from home on a contract with a local social service
program to coordinate a family education program for Somali refugees
in the Twin Cities. This allows us to keep our toddler at home rather
than dumping him in daycare. Of course, he's also the main reason the
Ph.D. stalled.

In my spare time, I like to pretend that I'm knowledgeable about tea.

--
Derek

It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
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> In my spare time, I like to pretend that I'm knowledgeable about tea.
>
> --
> Derek


We all do.

But where did you study in Russia and when?

Sasha.



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"Falky foo" > wrote in message
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> Why would someone drink from the saucer?
>
>


Tea from samovar is always boiling hot. It does not cool down fast in large
teacups. If you put it in a saucer it cools down.

Sasha.




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I spent 10 years in the Southwest working and visiting reservations.
If you traveled Saturday nights on back roads you drove no faster than
headlights because people passed out in middle of road. I think
Indians use alchohol for induced visionary stupor because of a gene.

Jim

Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
> And as someone who came from a drinking country I say - and what is

good of
> it? You really cannot imagine what toll does heavy drinking take on a

coutry
> and a culture. Here in the US there is no heavy drinking (to those of

yu who
> think there is - you are so lucky that you really have no idea...)

and
> getting drunk and seeing people get drunk once in a while seem like

"heavy
> fun". But believe me - its a real monster in drinking countries and a

real
> tragedy. I lost so many of my friends at home to alchogol, educated,

clever,
> funny, friends to the last drop of blood.... And the wrecked

families,
> devastated children... Oh, well... Sorry.
>
> Sasha.


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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:00:45 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:

>> In my spare time, I like to pretend that I'm knowledgeable about tea.
>>
>> --
>> Derek

>
> We all do.
>
> But where did you study in Russia and when?
>
> Sasha.


Oh, that.. (Duh!)

1993. Vladimir. It was just a summer, but it was a good summer.

--
Derek

Mediocrity takes a lot less time and most people won't notice the
difference until it's too late.
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Back to tea glasses - I just can't help mentioning two of my favorite
words, which are relevant he "finjan" and "zarf". A finjan is a
handleless glass or ceramic container for drinking tea, and a zarf is
a kind of metal holder for it. These are Arabic. I don't know the
Russian, but I imagine that Sasha can tell us.

Alex Chaihorsky > wrote:
> People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
> Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
> popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right before
> bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get rid of
> cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.


Well, that's the trouble with a socialist paradise - nothing ever
happens (if I get a visit late tonight from a guy named Levrenti and
am never heard from again, I'm counting on you to raise a fuss).

Anyway, what's wrong with a bit of raspberry preserve in a strong
breakfast tea? At Madison's farmer's market (and I bet at one near
you too) one can find farm-canned preserves of such epicurian
sultriness as to dim the memories of even Sasha's apparently decadent
youth. You have my permission to buy a jar and put a teaspoonful in
your tea. Get a loaf of fresh bread or a scone while your there too.

Last, as long as I'm riding a train of irrelevance here, why would you
say that Russian Jewish women drive you crazy? I'm married to an
American-born but pure blooded specimen and (in case she's reading
this) must say that she is as meek as a lamb. No trouble at all. My
thinning hair, stagger, nervous tics, extreme reactions to loud noises
and spontaneous weeping are all due to other causes.

Your obedient servant,

Rick.


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"Rick Chappell" > wrote in message
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> Back to tea glasses - I just can't help mentioning two of my favorite
> words, which are relevant he "finjan" and "zarf". A finjan is a
> handleless glass or ceramic container for drinking tea, and a zarf is
> a kind of metal holder for it. These are Arabic. I don't know the
> Russian, but I imagine that Sasha can tell us.


I am not very knowledgable about Arabic culture (Alas!) but I always thought
finjans are coffee cups. Israelis also call a large coffee pot (with a
bird-like beak and a metal handle a finjan. In Azerbaijzhan peopel drink tea
from small glass or chrystal glasses which have a "waist" which make them a
little bit like hourglass shape, but these are no finjan and they are not
used with any zarfs.
And these are just small pieces oif my ignorance for the mountains of your
wisdom. And Allah knows best.


> Alex Chaihorsky > wrote:
>> People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
>> Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
>> popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right
>> before
>> bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get rid
>> of
>> cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

>
> Well, that's the trouble with a socialist paradise - nothing ever
> happens (if I get a visit late tonight from a guy named Levrenti and
> am never heard from again, I'm counting on you to raise a fuss).


Rich, what the hell are you talking about? (BTW, Beria's name was LAvrenti,
not LEvrenti). You should read his son's book. Fascinating.

> Last, as long as I'm riding a train of irrelevance here, why would you
> say that Russian Jewish women drive you crazy? I'm married to an
> American-born but pure blooded specimen and (in case she's reading
> this) must say that she is as meek as a lamb. No trouble at all. My
> thinning hair, stagger, nervous tics, extreme reactions to loud noises
> and spontaneous weeping are all due to other causes.


I am very glad to hear about your happy marriage. If Her Highness would read
these lines of yours, I am sure you will be duly rewarded, your thinning
hair, nervous tics, etc. notwithstanding. Certainly we are not here to
accuse every lady of Hebrew descent of being an intolerable, loud,
opinionated, jewelry-greedy and loud (or did I mentioned loud before?).
However, for reasons unknown to me, among Russian women these treats are not
distributed evenly and are much more common among the descendants of former
Egyptian slaves. However we also have to say here that on the bed of
passion, Jewish women of Russia retain the ancient vigor which is not at all
tempered by post-Mosesqian piousness (due to growing up in an atheistic
society?) and can make you completely forget about the previously-mentioned
shortcomings. No need for home gym if you have one of these ladies share
your house. But I (as a Jewish boy) still very much recommend a Slavic
Russian lady with the eyes full of deep-gray pool waters, her heart made of
kindness and tenderness itself, her smile capable of stopping a raging water
buffalo. And yes, you will experience plenty of love and passion, but in a
less WWF manner
http://www.wwe.com/ You spontaneous weeping WILL go away. And may be even
you tic.
But nothing better than Russian Jewish wife if you want to better yourself,
be challenged, educated, learn how to expect a nuclear attack at any moment,
develop a feeling for threatening flying objects, fight ten adversaries
blind-folded and develop a stomach of pure iron. If you can withstand this
training for more than several years, all the Special Forces and Blind
Samurai in the world will be not good enough to wipe your ass. In skill of
which, BTW, you will also be thoroughly trained.

Sasha.



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"Rick Chappell" > wrote in message
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> Back to tea glasses - I just can't help mentioning two of my favorite
> words, which are relevant he "finjan" and "zarf". A finjan is a
> handleless glass or ceramic container for drinking tea, and a zarf is
> a kind of metal holder for it. These are Arabic. I don't know the
> Russian, but I imagine that Sasha can tell us.


I am not very knowledgable about Arabic culture (Alas!) but I always thought
finjans are coffee cups. Israelis also call a large coffee pot (with a
bird-like beak and a metal handle a finjan. In Azerbaijzhan peopel drink tea
from small glass or chrystal glasses which have a "waist" which make them a
little bit like hourglass shape, but these are no finjan and they are not
used with any zarfs.
And these are just small pieces oif my ignorance for the mountains of your
wisdom. And Allah knows best.


> Alex Chaihorsky > wrote:
>> People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
>> Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
>> popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right
>> before
>> bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get rid
>> of
>> cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

>
> Well, that's the trouble with a socialist paradise - nothing ever
> happens (if I get a visit late tonight from a guy named Levrenti and
> am never heard from again, I'm counting on you to raise a fuss).


Rich, what the hell are you talking about? (BTW, Beria's name was LAvrenti,
not LEvrenti). You should read his son's book. Fascinating.

> Last, as long as I'm riding a train of irrelevance here, why would you
> say that Russian Jewish women drive you crazy? I'm married to an
> American-born but pure blooded specimen and (in case she's reading
> this) must say that she is as meek as a lamb. No trouble at all. My
> thinning hair, stagger, nervous tics, extreme reactions to loud noises
> and spontaneous weeping are all due to other causes.


I am very glad to hear about your happy marriage. If Her Highness would read
these lines of yours, I am sure you will be duly rewarded, your thinning
hair, nervous tics, etc. notwithstanding. Certainly we are not here to
accuse every lady of Hebrew descent of being an intolerable, loud,
opinionated, jewelry-greedy and loud (or did I mentioned loud before?).
However, for reasons unknown to me, among Russian women these treats are not
distributed evenly and are much more common among the descendants of former
Egyptian slaves. However we also have to say here that on the bed of
passion, Jewish women of Russia retain the ancient vigor which is not at all
tempered by post-Mosesqian piousness (due to growing up in an atheistic
society?) and can make you completely forget about the previously-mentioned
shortcomings. No need for home gym if you have one of these ladies share
your house. But I (as a Jewish boy) still very much recommend a Slavic
Russian lady with the eyes full of deep-gray pool waters, her heart made of
kindness and tenderness itself, her smile capable of stopping a raging water
buffalo. And yes, you will experience plenty of love and passion, but in a
less WWF manner
http://www.wwe.com/ You spontaneous weeping WILL go away. And may be even
you tic.
But nothing better than Russian Jewish wife if you want to better yourself,
be challenged, educated, learn how to expect a nuclear attack at any moment,
develop a feeling for threatening flying objects, fight ten adversaries
blind-folded and develop a stomach of pure iron. If you can withstand this
training for more than several years, all the Special Forces and Blind
Samurai in the world will be not good enough to wipe your ass. In skill of
which, BTW, you will also be thoroughly trained.

Sasha.





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I see!


"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Falky foo" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > Why would someone drink from the saucer?
> >
> >

>
> Tea from samovar is always boiling hot. It does not cool down fast in

large
> teacups. If you put it in a saucer it cools down.
>
> Sasha.
>
>



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"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Rick Chappell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Back to tea glasses - I just can't help mentioning two of my favorite
> > words, which are relevant he "finjan" and "zarf". A finjan is a
> > handleless glass or ceramic container for drinking tea, and a zarf is
> > a kind of metal holder for it. These are Arabic. I don't know the
> > Russian, but I imagine that Sasha can tell us.

>
> I am not very knowledgable about Arabic culture (Alas!) but I always

thought
> finjans are coffee cups. Israelis also call a large coffee pot (with a
> bird-like beak and a metal handle a finjan. In Azerbaijzhan peopel drink

tea
> from small glass or chrystal glasses which have a "waist" which make them

a
> little bit like hourglass shape, but these are no finjan and they are not
> used with any zarfs.
> And these are just small pieces oif my ignorance for the mountains of your
> wisdom. And Allah knows best.
>
>
> > Alex Chaihorsky > wrote:
> >> People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
> >> Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
> >> popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right
> >> before
> >> bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get

rid
> >> of
> >> cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

> >
> > Well, that's the trouble with a socialist paradise - nothing ever
> > happens (if I get a visit late tonight from a guy named Levrenti and
> > am never heard from again, I'm counting on you to raise a fuss).

>
> Rich, what the hell are you talking about? (BTW, Beria's name was

LAvrenti,
> not LEvrenti). You should read his son's book. Fascinating.
>
> > Last, as long as I'm riding a train of irrelevance here, why would you
> > say that Russian Jewish women drive you crazy? I'm married to an
> > American-born but pure blooded specimen and (in case she's reading
> > this) must say that she is as meek as a lamb. No trouble at all. My
> > thinning hair, stagger, nervous tics, extreme reactions to loud noises
> > and spontaneous weeping are all due to other causes.

>
> I am very glad to hear about your happy marriage. If Her Highness would

read
> these lines of yours, I am sure you will be duly rewarded, your thinning
> hair, nervous tics, etc. notwithstanding. Certainly we are not here to
> accuse every lady of Hebrew descent of being an intolerable, loud,
> opinionated, jewelry-greedy and loud (or did I mentioned loud before?).


True- after all, not all of them are Ashkenazi; there are plenty of
Sephardim and Oriental Jews still around..
(Un)fortunately, as a New Yorker and as the former wife of a Jewish guy, I
am now Jewish by injection. Unfortunate in the sense that I am definitely
opinionated (but that's a trait in my family, anyway). Fortunate in the
sense that I'm not loud except after three drinks, I don't adore jewelry,
and I've been told that I'm tolerable.

> However, for reasons unknown to me, among Russian women these treats are

not
> distributed evenly and are much more common among the descendants of

former
> Egyptian slaves. However we also have to say here that on the bed of
> passion, Jewish women of Russia retain the ancient vigor which is not at

all
> tempered by post-Mosesqian piousness (due to growing up in an atheistic
> society?) and can make you completely forget about the

previously-mentioned
> shortcomings. No need for home gym if you have one of these ladies share
> your house. But I (as a Jewish boy) still very much recommend a Slavic
> Russian lady with the eyes full of deep-gray pool waters, her heart made

of
> kindness and tenderness itself, her smile capable of stopping a raging

water
> buffalo. And yes, you will experience plenty of love and passion, but in a
> less WWF manner
> http://www.wwe.com/ You spontaneous weeping WILL go away. And may be

even
> you tic.
> But nothing better than Russian Jewish wife if you want to better

yourself,
> be challenged, educated, learn how to expect a nuclear attack at any

moment,
> develop a feeling for threatening flying objects, fight ten adversaries
> blind-folded and develop a stomach of pure iron. If you can withstand this
> training for more than several years, all the Special Forces and Blind
> Samurai in the world will be not good enough to wipe your ass. In skill of
> which, BTW, you will also be thoroughly trained.
>
> Sasha.


HAH! I say- HAH!

If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are dependable,
loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course, I
wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light speed
on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next to
our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will also
help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>
>
>



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Tea
 
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"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Rick Chappell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Back to tea glasses - I just can't help mentioning two of my favorite
> > words, which are relevant he "finjan" and "zarf". A finjan is a
> > handleless glass or ceramic container for drinking tea, and a zarf is
> > a kind of metal holder for it. These are Arabic. I don't know the
> > Russian, but I imagine that Sasha can tell us.

>
> I am not very knowledgable about Arabic culture (Alas!) but I always

thought
> finjans are coffee cups. Israelis also call a large coffee pot (with a
> bird-like beak and a metal handle a finjan. In Azerbaijzhan peopel drink

tea
> from small glass or chrystal glasses which have a "waist" which make them

a
> little bit like hourglass shape, but these are no finjan and they are not
> used with any zarfs.
> And these are just small pieces oif my ignorance for the mountains of your
> wisdom. And Allah knows best.
>
>
> > Alex Chaihorsky > wrote:
> >> People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
> >> Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
> >> popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right
> >> before
> >> bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get

rid
> >> of
> >> cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

> >
> > Well, that's the trouble with a socialist paradise - nothing ever
> > happens (if I get a visit late tonight from a guy named Levrenti and
> > am never heard from again, I'm counting on you to raise a fuss).

>
> Rich, what the hell are you talking about? (BTW, Beria's name was

LAvrenti,
> not LEvrenti). You should read his son's book. Fascinating.
>
> > Last, as long as I'm riding a train of irrelevance here, why would you
> > say that Russian Jewish women drive you crazy? I'm married to an
> > American-born but pure blooded specimen and (in case she's reading
> > this) must say that she is as meek as a lamb. No trouble at all. My
> > thinning hair, stagger, nervous tics, extreme reactions to loud noises
> > and spontaneous weeping are all due to other causes.

>
> I am very glad to hear about your happy marriage. If Her Highness would

read
> these lines of yours, I am sure you will be duly rewarded, your thinning
> hair, nervous tics, etc. notwithstanding. Certainly we are not here to
> accuse every lady of Hebrew descent of being an intolerable, loud,
> opinionated, jewelry-greedy and loud (or did I mentioned loud before?).


True- after all, not all of them are Ashkenazi; there are plenty of
Sephardim and Oriental Jews still around..
(Un)fortunately, as a New Yorker and as the former wife of a Jewish guy, I
am now Jewish by injection. Unfortunate in the sense that I am definitely
opinionated (but that's a trait in my family, anyway). Fortunate in the
sense that I'm not loud except after three drinks, I don't adore jewelry,
and I've been told that I'm tolerable.

> However, for reasons unknown to me, among Russian women these treats are

not
> distributed evenly and are much more common among the descendants of

former
> Egyptian slaves. However we also have to say here that on the bed of
> passion, Jewish women of Russia retain the ancient vigor which is not at

all
> tempered by post-Mosesqian piousness (due to growing up in an atheistic
> society?) and can make you completely forget about the

previously-mentioned
> shortcomings. No need for home gym if you have one of these ladies share
> your house. But I (as a Jewish boy) still very much recommend a Slavic
> Russian lady with the eyes full of deep-gray pool waters, her heart made

of
> kindness and tenderness itself, her smile capable of stopping a raging

water
> buffalo. And yes, you will experience plenty of love and passion, but in a
> less WWF manner
> http://www.wwe.com/ You spontaneous weeping WILL go away. And may be

even
> you tic.
> But nothing better than Russian Jewish wife if you want to better

yourself,
> be challenged, educated, learn how to expect a nuclear attack at any

moment,
> develop a feeling for threatening flying objects, fight ten adversaries
> blind-folded and develop a stomach of pure iron. If you can withstand this
> training for more than several years, all the Special Forces and Blind
> Samurai in the world will be not good enough to wipe your ass. In skill of
> which, BTW, you will also be thoroughly trained.
>
> Sasha.


HAH! I say- HAH!

If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are dependable,
loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course, I
wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light speed
on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next to
our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will also
help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>
>
>



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"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Rick Chappell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Back to tea glasses - I just can't help mentioning two of my favorite
> > words, which are relevant he "finjan" and "zarf". A finjan is a
> > handleless glass or ceramic container for drinking tea, and a zarf is
> > a kind of metal holder for it. These are Arabic. I don't know the
> > Russian, but I imagine that Sasha can tell us.

>
> I am not very knowledgable about Arabic culture (Alas!) but I always

thought
> finjans are coffee cups. Israelis also call a large coffee pot (with a
> bird-like beak and a metal handle a finjan. In Azerbaijzhan peopel drink

tea
> from small glass or chrystal glasses which have a "waist" which make them

a
> little bit like hourglass shape, but these are no finjan and they are not
> used with any zarfs.
> And these are just small pieces oif my ignorance for the mountains of your
> wisdom. And Allah knows best.
>
>
> > Alex Chaihorsky > wrote:
> >> People use many of these, which are more like preserves than jams.
> >> Real tea-drinkers wouldn't do that to a good tea. However there is one
> >> popular anti-cold remedy - raspberry preserve with very hot tea right
> >> before
> >> bed that makes you sweat hard while you sleep and really helps to get

rid
> >> of
> >> cold and wake up and go build socialist paradise like nothing happened.

> >
> > Well, that's the trouble with a socialist paradise - nothing ever
> > happens (if I get a visit late tonight from a guy named Levrenti and
> > am never heard from again, I'm counting on you to raise a fuss).

>
> Rich, what the hell are you talking about? (BTW, Beria's name was

LAvrenti,
> not LEvrenti). You should read his son's book. Fascinating.
>
> > Last, as long as I'm riding a train of irrelevance here, why would you
> > say that Russian Jewish women drive you crazy? I'm married to an
> > American-born but pure blooded specimen and (in case she's reading
> > this) must say that she is as meek as a lamb. No trouble at all. My
> > thinning hair, stagger, nervous tics, extreme reactions to loud noises
> > and spontaneous weeping are all due to other causes.

>
> I am very glad to hear about your happy marriage. If Her Highness would

read
> these lines of yours, I am sure you will be duly rewarded, your thinning
> hair, nervous tics, etc. notwithstanding. Certainly we are not here to
> accuse every lady of Hebrew descent of being an intolerable, loud,
> opinionated, jewelry-greedy and loud (or did I mentioned loud before?).


True- after all, not all of them are Ashkenazi; there are plenty of
Sephardim and Oriental Jews still around..
(Un)fortunately, as a New Yorker and as the former wife of a Jewish guy, I
am now Jewish by injection. Unfortunate in the sense that I am definitely
opinionated (but that's a trait in my family, anyway). Fortunate in the
sense that I'm not loud except after three drinks, I don't adore jewelry,
and I've been told that I'm tolerable.

> However, for reasons unknown to me, among Russian women these treats are

not
> distributed evenly and are much more common among the descendants of

former
> Egyptian slaves. However we also have to say here that on the bed of
> passion, Jewish women of Russia retain the ancient vigor which is not at

all
> tempered by post-Mosesqian piousness (due to growing up in an atheistic
> society?) and can make you completely forget about the

previously-mentioned
> shortcomings. No need for home gym if you have one of these ladies share
> your house. But I (as a Jewish boy) still very much recommend a Slavic
> Russian lady with the eyes full of deep-gray pool waters, her heart made

of
> kindness and tenderness itself, her smile capable of stopping a raging

water
> buffalo. And yes, you will experience plenty of love and passion, but in a
> less WWF manner
> http://www.wwe.com/ You spontaneous weeping WILL go away. And may be

even
> you tic.
> But nothing better than Russian Jewish wife if you want to better

yourself,
> be challenged, educated, learn how to expect a nuclear attack at any

moment,
> develop a feeling for threatening flying objects, fight ten adversaries
> blind-folded and develop a stomach of pure iron. If you can withstand this
> training for more than several years, all the Special Forces and Blind
> Samurai in the world will be not good enough to wipe your ass. In skill of
> which, BTW, you will also be thoroughly trained.
>
> Sasha.


HAH! I say- HAH!

If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are dependable,
loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course, I
wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light speed
on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next to
our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will also
help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>
>
>



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"Tea" > wrote in message
...
>


>
> HAH! I say- HAH!
>
> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
> dependable,
> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course,
> I
> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
> speed
> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next
> to
> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
> also
> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>>


Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to experience a
black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this and
it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are all
for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
(both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks never
show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
together. What a hypocrisy.

Sashay.




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"Tea" > wrote in message
...
>


>
> HAH! I say- HAH!
>
> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
> dependable,
> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course,
> I
> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
> speed
> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next
> to
> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
> also
> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>>


Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to experience a
black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this and
it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are all
for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
(both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks never
show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
together. What a hypocrisy.

Sashay.


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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:04:42 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:

> "Tea" > wrote in message
> ...
>>

>
>>
>> HAH! I say- HAH!
>>
>> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
>> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
>> dependable,
>> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
>> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course,
>> I
>> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
>> speed
>> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next
>> to
>> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
>> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
>> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
>> also
>> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>>>

>
> Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to experience a
> black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
> happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
> obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
> In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this and
> it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are all
> for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
> (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks never
> show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
> more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
> together. What a hypocrisy.
>
> Sashay.


My family surname is Welsh in origin and can literally be translated
as "pasty white honky." And yet my uncle's third wife is black - and a
wonderful lady, to boot.

Unfortunately, while the Washington, DC, area has been good to them,
they're approaching retirement age. And all the locations they've
seriously considered for their post-employment life have proven to be
less than welcoming to a multi-racial couple.

Truth be told, my uncle's a better man because of my aunt. Period.
It's a shame that people get their knickers in a knot over something
that is really so inconsequential.

--
Derek

Sometimes the end doesn't justify the jeans.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:04:42 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:

> "Tea" > wrote in message
> ...
>>

>
>>
>> HAH! I say- HAH!
>>
>> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
>> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
>> dependable,
>> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love us
>> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of course,
>> I
>> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
>> speed
>> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next
>> to
>> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
>> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time anyway.
>> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
>> also
>> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>>>

>
> Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to experience a
> black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
> happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
> obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
> In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this and
> it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are all
> for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
> (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks never
> show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
> more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
> together. What a hypocrisy.
>
> Sashay.


My family surname is Welsh in origin and can literally be translated
as "pasty white honky." And yet my uncle's third wife is black - and a
wonderful lady, to boot.

Unfortunately, while the Washington, DC, area has been good to them,
they're approaching retirement age. And all the locations they've
seriously considered for their post-employment life have proven to be
less than welcoming to a multi-racial couple.

Truth be told, my uncle's a better man because of my aunt. Period.
It's a shame that people get their knickers in a knot over something
that is really so inconsequential.

--
Derek

Sometimes the end doesn't justify the jeans.
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Tea
 
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"Alex Chaihorsky" > wrote in message
om...
>
> "Tea" > wrote in message
> ...
> >

>
> >
> > HAH! I say- HAH!
> >
> > If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
> > passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
> > dependable,
> > loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love

us
> > may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of

course,
> > I
> > wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
> > speed
> > on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull next
> > to
> > our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us, because
> > there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time

anyway.
> > Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
> > also
> > help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
> >>

>
> Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to experience

a
> black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
> happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
> obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
> In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this

and
> it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are

all
> for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
> (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks

never
> show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
> more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
> together. What a hypocrisy.
>
> Sashay.


Actually, ER had a mixed-race plotline for quite a bit, between two
principal characters. Buffy the Vampire Slayer had Giles matter of factly
dating a black woman, and Angel had Fred (a white woman) being shown
interest by Gunn (a black guy).

It depends on where you are from. In the South, while mixed race dating can
be fraught, it's not the big deal it used to be for most people. My mom
loved my husband (she wished he was black, but moms tend to be like that)
and likes my new boyfriend, who is Scots-Irish. She also liked quite a few
of the white guys I dated better than the black ones because they were more
compatible with me.

While I have had black people get really ****ed at me on the street and
other places for dating white guys, I've seen many more black-white pairings
on the streets lately than when I was younger. And on tv, talk shows often
have black/white pairings that are as dysfunctional as non-mixed ones.

Never having given two figs what some anomalous black community thinks (and
at least one Supreme Court Justice and a former head of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff seem to agree with me, to no ill effects), I've never concerned myself
with that. My favorite story is about the time my Jewish husband and I went
to see my relatives- I was afraid that they would ask him stupid questions
about Cha-noo-kuh. Instead, they were nice and ignored us the way the
pretty much ignore everybody. In other words, he was accepted. On the
other side, he was afraid to tell his mother I was black, even though she
was an old lefty. When he finally showed her a picture of me, she was
happy- she was afraid I was some Irish Catholic and would try to convert
him! In her mind, a black woman was almost as good as being part of the
'tribe', as it were.

You have to understand- people in my family range in color from cream to
bitter chocolate. Black-white dating is in my experience (and in the
experience of all of my black girlfriends, who have all dated white or
non-American men) more fraught for white people than it is for many of us.
We know more about 'white culture' than vice versa. I've found that the more
assimilated blacks and whites are to each other, the more likely they are to
date interracially. In other words, most black people in poverty areas of
NY wouldn't, but a certain number of college and prep-school educated ones
might. My husband and I, for instance, bot loved jazz and the blues, and he
introduced me to early R&B; his parents and my parents both had been
involved in the Civil Rights movement, and he and I had both gone to schools
for the gifted. I'd also grown up ina Jewish neighborhood, and he'd gone to
camp with Paul Robeson, Jr. Culturally we were perfect for each other. As
for the BF, he's a former military brat- to him, everyone is equally alien.
He was a 'minority' in his home town because he spoke with a Devon accent as
a child, and because he didn't think black people were different from anyone
else. He's been dating non-white women since the age of 18, and never had a
problem with his family.

With many white people, it's all about desire and shame. Shame in that
they've already 'mixed' with us (how did we get to be so many colors
anyway?) and desire (for instance, Italian-American men whose bloodlines are
from Sicily and lower Italy will often make it clear they are interested in
me- and I see more and more ads from Italian-American men who actually want
to date and marry black women). Black people feel desire and shame also,
because of slavery. This may be why most of my friends usually date
Europeans or ex-military guys or Jewish guys rather than home-grown American
white guys- there tends to be less baggage.

>
>



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"Derek" > wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:04:42 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
>
> > "Tea" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>

> >
> >>
> >> HAH! I say- HAH!
> >>
> >> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
> >> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
> >> dependable,
> >> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love

us
> >> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of

course,
> >> I
> >> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
> >> speed
> >> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull

next
> >> to
> >> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us,

because
> >> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time

anyway.
> >> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
> >> also
> >> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
> >>>

> >
> > Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to

experience a
> > black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
> > happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
> > obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
> > In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this

and
> > it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are

all
> > for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
> > (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks

never
> > show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
> > more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
> > together. What a hypocrisy.
> >
> > Sashay.

>
> My family surname is Welsh in origin and can literally be translated
> as "pasty white honky." And yet my uncle's third wife is black - and a
> wonderful lady, to boot.
>
> Unfortunately, while the Washington, DC, area has been good to them,
> they're approaching retirement age. And all the locations they've
> seriously considered for their post-employment life have proven to be
> less than welcoming to a multi-racial couple.
>
> Truth be told, my uncle's a better man because of my aunt. Period.
> It's a shame that people get their knickers in a knot over something
> that is really so inconsequential.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> Sometimes the end doesn't justify the jeans.


The BF and I have already had 'the talk'. He's planning on moving up here
next year because the opportunities are better and because there's still a
Klan group outside of his town in PA. Black people can be annoying, but
they don't burn down your house for dating non-black guys. The idea of
moving to an area where there are no other educated black people, where all
the gays have low-paying jobs and are seen as pariahs, and where the John
Birch Society is still big doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Have your aunt and uncle looked at Columbia, Maryland? They have delightful
houses there and it's a planned community- it was founded to be ethnically
diverse. Miami can be good, although the old people there are still living
in the past. And anywhere near NYC you can find places where you don't have
to shovel snow. There 's also the US Virgin Islands- money goes further and
they can live in peace. My mother is living in Owings Mills, Maryland, but
she finds it a bit dull after having lived in NYC.




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"Derek" > wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:04:42 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
>
> > "Tea" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>

> >
> >>
> >> HAH! I say- HAH!
> >>
> >> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
> >> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
> >> dependable,
> >> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love

us
> >> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of

course,
> >> I
> >> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
> >> speed
> >> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull

next
> >> to
> >> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us,

because
> >> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time

anyway.
> >> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
> >> also
> >> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
> >>>

> >
> > Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to

experience a
> > black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
> > happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
> > obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
> > In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this

and
> > it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are

all
> > for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
> > (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks

never
> > show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
> > more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
> > together. What a hypocrisy.
> >
> > Sashay.

>
> My family surname is Welsh in origin and can literally be translated
> as "pasty white honky." And yet my uncle's third wife is black - and a
> wonderful lady, to boot.
>
> Unfortunately, while the Washington, DC, area has been good to them,
> they're approaching retirement age. And all the locations they've
> seriously considered for their post-employment life have proven to be
> less than welcoming to a multi-racial couple.
>
> Truth be told, my uncle's a better man because of my aunt. Period.
> It's a shame that people get their knickers in a knot over something
> that is really so inconsequential.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> Sometimes the end doesn't justify the jeans.


The BF and I have already had 'the talk'. He's planning on moving up here
next year because the opportunities are better and because there's still a
Klan group outside of his town in PA. Black people can be annoying, but
they don't burn down your house for dating non-black guys. The idea of
moving to an area where there are no other educated black people, where all
the gays have low-paying jobs and are seen as pariahs, and where the John
Birch Society is still big doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Have your aunt and uncle looked at Columbia, Maryland? They have delightful
houses there and it's a planned community- it was founded to be ethnically
diverse. Miami can be good, although the old people there are still living
in the past. And anywhere near NYC you can find places where you don't have
to shovel snow. There 's also the US Virgin Islands- money goes further and
they can live in peace. My mother is living in Owings Mills, Maryland, but
she finds it a bit dull after having lived in NYC.


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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:46:17 GMT, Tea wrote:

> "Derek" > wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:04:42 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
>>
>>> "Tea" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> HAH! I say- HAH!
>>>>
>>>> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
>>>> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
>>>> dependable,
>>>> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love

> us
>>>> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of

> course,
>>>> I
>>>> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
>>>> speed
>>>> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull

> next
>>>> to
>>>> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us,

> because
>>>> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time

> anyway.
>>>> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
>>>> also
>>>> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to

> experience a
>>> black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
>>> happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
>>> obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
>>> In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this

> and
>>> it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are

> all
>>> for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
>>> (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks

> never
>>> show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
>>> more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
>>> together. What a hypocrisy.
>>>
>>> Sashay.

>>
>> My family surname is Welsh in origin and can literally be translated
>> as "pasty white honky." And yet my uncle's third wife is black - and a
>> wonderful lady, to boot.
>>
>> Unfortunately, while the Washington, DC, area has been good to them,
>> they're approaching retirement age. And all the locations they've
>> seriously considered for their post-employment life have proven to be
>> less than welcoming to a multi-racial couple.
>>
>> Truth be told, my uncle's a better man because of my aunt. Period.
>> It's a shame that people get their knickers in a knot over something
>> that is really so inconsequential.
>>
>> --
>> Derek
>>
>> Sometimes the end doesn't justify the jeans.

>
> The BF and I have already had 'the talk'. He's planning on moving up here
> next year because the opportunities are better and because there's still a
> Klan group outside of his town in PA. Black people can be annoying, but
> they don't burn down your house for dating non-black guys.


Nah, sometimes they just beat up the non-black guys. I've seen the
results of threatened and actual violence against non-black guys for
daring to date a "sister."

> The idea of
> moving to an area where there are no other educated black people, where all
> the gays have low-paying jobs and are seen as pariahs, and where the John
> Birch Society is still big doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
>
> Have your aunt and uncle looked at Columbia, Maryland? They have delightful
> houses there and it's a planned community- it was founded to be ethnically
> diverse. Miami can be good, although the old people there are still living
> in the past. And anywhere near NYC you can find places where you don't have
> to shovel snow. There 's also the US Virgin Islands- money goes further and
> they can live in peace. My mother is living in Owings Mills, Maryland, but
> she finds it a bit dull after having lived in NYC.


Well, the Virgin Islands actually causes more problems. They want to
retire near family, not away from it. But the DC area is too pricey.
They want to live as well as they are living now, but they won't be
able to pull it off on their retirement income.

Unfortunately, all the towns they find geographically, educationally,
and architecturally appealing are just south of the Mason-Dixon line.

--
Derek

"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shorline of
wonder." -- Ralph W. Sockman
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:46:17 GMT, Tea wrote:

> "Derek" > wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:04:42 GMT, Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
>>
>>> "Tea" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> HAH! I say- HAH!
>>>>
>>>> If you want a woman with a face like an angel and a nature that is
>>>> passionate and roiling, African-Americans are the best. We are
>>>> dependable,
>>>> loving and kind, and we can usually cook up a storm. The men who love

> us
>>>> may gain a few extra pounds, but they'll be well fed and happy. Of

> course,
>>>> I
>>>> wouldn't advise annoying us- objects have been known to move at light
>>>> speed
>>>> on occasion. Also, titanium razor blades have been known to be dull

> next
>>>> to
>>>> our tongues- there's no need for circumcision before meeting us,

> because
>>>> there's a good chance you'll lose some of your foreskin over time

> anyway.
>>>> Some of it will get worn away from all the hard use anyhow, which will
>>>> also
>>>> help you wear off the pounds from our cooking.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Majority of us, white guys unfortunately never had a chance to

> experience a
>>> black lady companionship in normal circumstances, because even when it
>>> happens, the scene is so overloaded with cultural, racial and behavioral
>>> obstacles that minefield walking on Kosovo-Serbian border feels safer.
>>> In addition to that, the black community does not look favorably on this

> and
>>> it never tries to hide that. Whites honestly want to look like they are

> all
>>> for it, but the negativity shines through, however the effort to hide it
>>> (both from themselves and from the couple). Knowing that, TV networks

> never
>>> show anything that would be seen as a mixed-race romancing, and there is
>>> more realty in these "family" shows that in all "reality" shows taken
>>> together. What a hypocrisy.
>>>
>>> Sashay.

>>
>> My family surname is Welsh in origin and can literally be translated
>> as "pasty white honky." And yet my uncle's third wife is black - and a
>> wonderful lady, to boot.
>>
>> Unfortunately, while the Washington, DC, area has been good to them,
>> they're approaching retirement age. And all the locations they've
>> seriously considered for their post-employment life have proven to be
>> less than welcoming to a multi-racial couple.
>>
>> Truth be told, my uncle's a better man because of my aunt. Period.
>> It's a shame that people get their knickers in a knot over something
>> that is really so inconsequential.
>>
>> --
>> Derek
>>
>> Sometimes the end doesn't justify the jeans.

>
> The BF and I have already had 'the talk'. He's planning on moving up here
> next year because the opportunities are better and because there's still a
> Klan group outside of his town in PA. Black people can be annoying, but
> they don't burn down your house for dating non-black guys.


Nah, sometimes they just beat up the non-black guys. I've seen the
results of threatened and actual violence against non-black guys for
daring to date a "sister."

> The idea of
> moving to an area where there are no other educated black people, where all
> the gays have low-paying jobs and are seen as pariahs, and where the John
> Birch Society is still big doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
>
> Have your aunt and uncle looked at Columbia, Maryland? They have delightful
> houses there and it's a planned community- it was founded to be ethnically
> diverse. Miami can be good, although the old people there are still living
> in the past. And anywhere near NYC you can find places where you don't have
> to shovel snow. There 's also the US Virgin Islands- money goes further and
> they can live in peace. My mother is living in Owings Mills, Maryland, but
> she finds it a bit dull after having lived in NYC.


Well, the Virgin Islands actually causes more problems. They want to
retire near family, not away from it. But the DC area is too pricey.
They want to live as well as they are living now, but they won't be
able to pull it off on their retirement income.

Unfortunately, all the towns they find geographically, educationally,
and architecturally appealing are just south of the Mason-Dixon line.

--
Derek

"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shorline of
wonder." -- Ralph W. Sockman
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:37:00 GMT, Tea wrote:

> Never having given two figs what some anomalous black community thinks (and
> at least one Supreme Court Justice and a former head of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff seem to agree with me, to no ill effects), I've never concerned myself
> with that.


Don't forget about the Secretary General of the U.N.

--
Derek

The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to
assume you're pretentious.
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:37:00 GMT, Tea wrote:

> Never having given two figs what some anomalous black community thinks (and
> at least one Supreme Court Justice and a former head of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff seem to agree with me, to no ill effects), I've never concerned myself
> with that.


Don't forget about the Secretary General of the U.N.

--
Derek

The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to
assume you're pretentious.


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