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Anybody done business with these guys?:
http://www.silkroadtrade.com/yixingzisha.htm I like the clay descriptions but I don't know them. --Tom -oo- ""\o~ ------------------------------------ "Homo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto." Terrance |
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what a lovely website-
i just placed a bid on a teapot- joanne "Michael Plant" > wrote in message ... > 12/30/03 > > > > Anybody done business with these guys?: > > > > http://www.silkroadtrade.com/yixingzisha.htm > > > > I like the clay descriptions but I don't know them. > > > > --Tom > > -oo- > > ""\o~ > > ------------------------------------ > > "Homo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto." > > Terrance > > Tom, > > I've been looking seriously and carefully at their site too. I also like the > clay descriptions, but the e-bay thing is annoying. Also, I haven't found a > pot quite exactly to my liking. Keep us posted on other companies; I'm in > the market for a little teapot, but it has to be just right -- whatever that > may mean. > > Michael > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03 |
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This site has some interesting Yixing teapots, as well as accessories http://funalliance.com/tea/teafamily.htm On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:22:24 GMT, "Joanne Rosen" > wrote: >what a lovely website- >i just placed a bid on a teapot- >joanne >"Michael Plant" > wrote in message ... >> 12/30/03 >> >> >> > Anybody done business with these guys?: >> > >> > http://www.silkroadtrade.com/yixingzisha.htm >> > >> > I like the clay descriptions but I don't know them. >> > >> > --Tom >> > -oo- >> > ""\o~ >> > ------------------------------------ >> > "Homo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto." >> > Terrance >> >> Tom, >> >> I've been looking seriously and carefully at their site too. I also like >the >> clay descriptions, but the e-bay thing is annoying. Also, I haven't found >a >> pot quite exactly to my liking. Keep us posted on other companies; I'm in >> the market for a little teapot, but it has to be just right -- whatever >that >> may mean. >> >> Michael >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03 > > |
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12/31/03 15:03Saracen
> > This site has some interesting Yixing teapots, as well as accessories > > http://funalliance.com/tea/teafamily.htm Thank you very much for the suggestion. I've been corresponding laely with the proprietors of Silkroadtrade and so far find their information and knowledge of their individual pots to be the best. (Thank you, person who recommended them.) Kam's pots are just a little too cute and cuddly for me, as are 99.999% of the yixing teapots available today. I think the whole industry is geared to a large degree to collecting and displaying. For actual use, I go for the simple, traditional and understated. The tea speaks for itself. (These are no more than expressions of personal taste; please don't let them upset you undrooly.) Best, Michael |
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Joanne,
[mentioned she bid for a silkroadtrade teapot on e-Bay...] Hope you win your teapot. Please share about it. I'm very interested. Michael |
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Yes, I bid and won the item-
shipping is $19 with insurance-a little expensive for an $8 tea pot- I will keep everyone informed about arrival, etc. "Michael Plant" > wrote in message ... > Joanne, > > [mentioned she bid for a silkroadtrade teapot on e-Bay...] > > Hope you win your teapot. Please share about it. I'm very interested. > > Michael > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03 |
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Joanne hlink.net1/2/04
> Yes, I bid and won the item- > shipping is $19 with insurance-a little expensive for an $8 tea pot- > I will keep everyone informed about arrival, etc. Joanne, Good for you. Which teapot was it? Michael |
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CHINESE YIXING ZISHA TEAPOT! ZHUNI COURTYARD
i enjoy brewing tea in attractive pots-i think it adds to the experience- joanne "Michael Plant" > wrote in message ... > Joanne hlink.net1/2/04 > > > > Yes, I bid and won the item- > > shipping is $19 with insurance-a little expensive for an $8 tea pot- > > I will keep everyone informed about arrival, etc. > > Joanne, > > Good for you. > Which teapot was it? > > Michael > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03 |
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"Michael Plant" > wrote > ... Kam's pots are just a little too cute and cuddly for me, > as are 99.999% of the yixing teapots available today. I think the whole > industry is geared to a large degree to collecting and displaying. For > actual use, I go for the simple, traditional and understated. My favorites are some simple but exquisitely elegant pots made from very thin clay that I picked up on business trips to Japan. Don't know if they are yixing copies, homegrown or what. Any big department store has lovely pots that are superbly made for $20~50: not cheap, but I've never seen anything as nice for sale in the US or UK, even in SF's Japan-town. I went a couple of times to a Tokyo satellite-city called Machida, which I'm told is notable for claywork. They have (or had, a few years back) shops just full of superb teaware. Wish I'd bought more, as I gave most away, and am unlikely to return. Does anyone have a site on which we could post photos for this NG? I'd be happy to contribute a few. -DM |
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Anyone, looking for top grade teapots directly from the artist or
China e-mail me I have personal contacts with many artist and can get you anything you want any price range any quality. I will not sell crap I do not sell crap I take my teapots serious most of my teapots are high-grade clay for daily use. I am not going to spam or anything here because I would love to read and write articles, you can guess my website by my e-mail address and feel free to e-mail me anytime. Sincerely, Michael Ryan |
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Anybody know how to date chinese teapots?
I just bought 4 more, 2 yixing, 1 jade & 1 turquois. I bought them because I like how they look. Several of the sellers made claims as to the age of these pieces. While I feel that I got good deals regardless of the age,I would love to know how much bull**** is accompanying my purchases. --Tom -oo- ""\o~ ------------------------------------ "Homo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto." Terrance |
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(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message >...
> In article > (Michael Ryan) writes: > >Anyone, looking for top grade teapots directly from the artist or > >China e-mail me I have personal contacts with many artist and can get > >you anything you want any price range..... > >Sincerely, > >Michael Ryan > > Extraordinarily beautiful pots at extraordinary prices ~$300. > > --Marshall Quality and art does not come cheap, these teapots are not even seen in the U.S because the comprehensions of such work is not widely appreciated yet out side of Asia. I sell teapots online for $15.00 that others sell for $65 (want to see and example just ask) I also sell $200 and over teapots online that others will not sell because they do not even know what they are or what the value of them are... expensive you bet the best offered online.. you bet! |
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Michael 1/15/04
> (Marshall Dermer) wrote in message > >... >> In article > >> (Michael Ryan) writes: >>> Anyone, looking for top grade teapots directly from the artist or >>> China e-mail me I have personal contacts with many artist and can get >>> you anything you want any price range..... >>> Sincerely, >>> Michael Ryan >> >> Extraordinarily beautiful pots at extraordinary prices ~$300. >> >> --Marshall > > Quality and art does not come cheap, these teapots are not even seen > in the U.S because the comprehensions of such work is not widely > appreciated yet out side of Asia. I sell teapots online for $15.00 > that others sell for $65 (want to see and example just ask) I also > sell $200 and over teapots online that others will not sell because > they do not even know what they are or what the value of them are... > expensive you bet the best offered online.. you bet! You can buy a Long Jin at the corner Chinese market for $8.00 a pound or you can buy it from ITC or another quality oriented company for $450.00 a pound. There is NOTHING wrong with the former; it's toasty qualities and lack of "complexity" might be the perfect thing for you or me. But, to another the latter's multilayered complexity, painstaking hand-picking and working and it's appearance in the cup and pot might render it well worth the price. The art world (note China of late) places intrinsic value. I've rambled enough. Michael |
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I explored previous posts on this group and discovered that
this header was used before. The thread contained a URL to a most remarkable site: http://www.silkroadtrade.com/yixingzisha.htm This URL can also lead you to the company's e-bay store. http://www.stores.ebay.com/silkroadtrade It is true that Yixing teapots are handmade but really the correct term would be "hand-assembled." Why? Because the teapot components are formed in molds into which clay slip is poured. As for buying a $300 teapot, I could not overlook the puffery in the quote below: "As for curing your teapot I will tell you what Xu Han Tang' s brother Xu Xui Tang says in his book about Yixing teapots. For your reference, in case you do no not know who Xu Han Tang is he is the best Yixing teapot artists alive today. They say he is as good as Gu Jing Zhou was when he was alive." Really, China has an estimated population of: 1,260,000,000! And someone is telling us that some unknow people "they" consider Xu Han Tang to be the best ....... --Marshall |
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(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message >...
> I explored previous posts on this group and discovered that > this header was used before. The thread contained a URL > to a most remarkable site: > > http://www.silkroadtrade.com/yixingzisha.htm > > This URL can also lead you to the company's e-bay store. > > http://www.stores.ebay.com/silkroadtrade > > It is true that Yixing teapots are handmade but really the correct > term would be "hand-assembled." Why? Because the teapot components > are formed in molds into which clay slip is poured. > > As for buying a $300 teapot, I could not overlook the > puffery in the quote below: > > "As for curing your teapot I will tell you what Xu Han Tang' s brother > Xu Xui Tang says in his book about Yixing teapots. For your > reference, in case you do no not know who Xu Han Tang is he is the > best Yixing teapot artists alive today. They say he is as good as Gu > Jing Zhou was when he was alive." > > Really, China has an estimated population of: 1,260,000,000! > And someone is telling us that some unknow people "they" consider > Xu Han Tang to be the best ....... > > --Marshall Hey, Marshall You are correct about slip clay being poured into a mold you can get these mass produces teapots very easily online for $9.99 and if you look in the right places (^^) you can even find them for $50-$60! However, not all Yixing teapots are made this way. Why are there so many Yixing teapot artists in China? Do they all sit around, pour clay into molds, and call themselves artist if so then I am an artist too? Maybe I can ask the 1.2 billion people in China who the best teapot mold maker is and have that person make a mold and then Xu Han Tang and someone who does not know a spout from a handle can just sit around everyday and make the exact same quality teapots all day long. If it were that simple then you would not see artist making them only factory workers. If you want hand "made items", you pay for the skill and the time of the person making it. Question: If Yixing teapots are, "hand-Assembled" as you call it then why collect them? Answer: People collect them because they have feeling and heart inside you cannot get that from a Mold. If you want, the slip poured "hand-Assembled" teapots I am sure your link that you provided above will get you to the right place for these types of teapots. I am no flaming anyone I am only putting in the other side of the story. mandjs |
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(Michael Ryan) writes: >> "As for curing your teapot I will tell you what Xu Han Tang' s brother >> Xu Xui Tang says in his book about Yixing teapots. For your >> reference, in case you do no not know who Xu Han Tang is he is the >> best Yixing teapot artists alive today. They say he is as good as Gu >> Jing Zhou was when he was alive." >> >> Really, China has an estimated population of: 1,260,000,000! >> And someone is telling us that some unknow people "they" consider >> Xu Han Tang to be the best ....... >> >> --Marshall > >Hey, Marshall > >You are correct about slip clay being poured into a mold you can get >these mass produces teapots very easily online for $9.99 and if you >look in the right places (^^) you can even find them for $50-$60! >However, not all Yixing teapots are made this way. OK Michael. Then I would think this distinction is important. But if the "high-end" pots you sell were not molded then their dimensions would vary greatly from pot-to-pot and the dimenions you cite would be highly inaccurate! So, tell us, are molds used to form the "high-end" pots you sell? >I am no flaming anyone I am only putting in the other side of the >story. I understand. You really sound like a reasonable guy. But advertising often contains "puffery": http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/deceptivead.pdf http://www.mises.org/freemarket_deta...rder=subjec t http://www.adlaw.com/rc/newsltrs/archive/arc_3_96c.html Claiming that X is the best Y in China is an instance of puffery. It is not illegal but many find it offensive. Michael, sincere thanks for your informative posts. My only gripe is with a bit of puffery. Let me put it this way: Your USENET posts are the most informative USENET posts ever! If you miss one of Michael Ryan's posts, then you're ill- prepared to drink your first daily cup of tea. You expect more from Michael and you get it! :-) --Marshall |
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(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message >...
> In article > > (Michael Ryan) writes: > >> "As for curing your teapot I will tell you what Xu Han Tang' s brother > >> Xu Xui Tang says in his book about Yixing teapots. For your > >> reference, in case you do no not know who Xu Han Tang is he is the > >> best Yixing teapot artists alive today. They say he is as good as Gu > >> Jing Zhou was when he was alive." > >> > >> Really, China has an estimated population of: 1,260,000,000! > >> And someone is telling us that some unknow people "they" consider > >> Xu Han Tang to be the best ....... > >> > >> --Marshall > > > >Hey, Marshall > > > >You are correct about slip clay being poured into a mold you can get > >these mass produces teapots very easily online for $9.99 and if you > >look in the right places (^^) you can even find them for $50-$60! > >However, not all Yixing teapots are made this way. > > OK Michael. Then I would think this distinction is important. > But if the "high-end" pots you sell were not molded then their > dimensions would vary greatly from pot-to-pot and the dimenions > you cite would be highly inaccurate! > > So, tell us, are molds used to form the "high-end" pots you > sell? > > >I am no flaming anyone I am only putting in the other side of the > >story. > > I understand. You really sound like a reasonable guy. But advertising > often contains "puffery": > > http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~caed/deceptivead.pdf > > http://www.mises.org/freemarket_deta...rder=subjec t > > http://www.adlaw.com/rc/newsltrs/archive/arc_3_96c.html > > Claiming that X is the best Y in China is an instance of puffery. > It is not illegal but many find it offensive. > > Michael, sincere thanks for your informative posts. My only gripe > is with a bit of puffery. > > Let me put it this way: > > Your USENET posts are the most informative USENET posts ever! > > If you miss one of Michael Ryan's posts, then you're ill- prepared to drink > your first daily cup of tea. > > You expect more from Michael and you get it! :-) > > --Marshall Hey Marshall, Here is how it is done, when an artist decides to make a teapot he knows, he is typically not going too just make one. Upon the first one, her/she will get the clay ready, not liquid slip clay but formable thick clay like molding clay and roll it out, as you would sugar cookie dough getting ready to be cut (that made me crave sugar cookies). They then use a drafting like compass to make a circle for the bottom of the teapot and the lid etc… They then cut a single strip for the body and then roll pieces for the handle and spout. Once all of these raw pieces are cut, they are measured and recorded. Here is where you could say some of the parts are mass-assembled, when they make a pot they do not make one base or lid at a time instead they use three or four sheets of clay and cut them at the same time ensuring that each one is cut with the recorded measurements each time. Imagine four sheets of clay all the same thickness sitting side by side and then cutting out a pre measured square or a circle through all three or four of them all at one sitting, this is where you get consistency. The more skillful the artists the more individual parts they can work on at one time to speed up the process. The next thing is to make is a basic mold for the handle and or spout (this typically will be the only molds on a hand made teapot). This mold is a very generic mold with only the basic shape in mind. They use this mold more like a press because the clay is too thick to pour. Handmade teapots are made this way. They for sure are not poured into a mold. Slip Clay Molds were not used in Yixing teapots until around the Cultural Revolution (1967-1977) because Zi Sha clay is not easily made into slip clay due to the larger rock fragments within the clay and its natural consistency. This is when the mass produced Yixing teapots made their way to you local China Town tourist trap. In China, the Chinese Central Arts & Crafts Association (CCACA for short this maybe not the official acronym) is a government ran organization they are the ones responsible for awarding and ranking artist in their field. There are two very big Yixing tea potters names in China, one of them is Xu Han Tang, and the other is Jiang Rong. Both Xu Han Tang and Jiang Rong are one of the few people classified as Master Artist in the CCACA. According to the CCACA Xu Han Tang is in the top five living Yixing teapot artist in his field (argued the best) of making traditional Yixing teapots. Jiang Rong is the top five living Yixing teapot artist in her field that makes non-traditional nature style teapots. You also have to look at it like this who says Monet, Degas, Renoir, and Van Gogh are the most famous artist in the world would one accuse me of Puffery if I said that? Nope, I do not sell their works and I do not sell Xu Han Tang teapots either, they are too darn expensive. Of course, if you want one I cam arrange a meeting and you can fly here and get one yourself because if you are going to spend eight grand on one of this less expensive teapots you better fly here and make sure he is the one making it. Thanks Marshall, for your kind comments I am happy to share anything I know about Tea & Teapots with all of you, just remember I do not claim to know everything and I will always take criticism in stride. If I thought, I knew it all I will would be incapable of learning anything. One more thing I will be visiting some friends in Yixing maybe in February I will take some pictures of artist making teapots for all of you to enjoy. That also may make my descriptions above more clear. mandjs |
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(Marshall Dermer) wrote in message >...
> In article > > (Michael Ryan) writes: > >Thanks Marshall, for your kind comments I am happy to share anything I > >know about Tea & Teapots with all of you, just remember I do not claim > >to know everything and I will always take criticism in stride. If I > >thought, I knew it all I will would be incapable of learning anything. > > > >One more thing I will be visiting some friends in Yixing maybe in > >February I will take some pictures of artist making teapots for all of > >you to enjoy. That also may make my descriptions above more clear. > > > >mandjs > > Thanks very much Michael for the additional information and your > potentially picturing these artists at work. > > You have well answered my (sceptical) questions. > > Sincerely, > > --Marshall > > PS: In an earlier post in this thread, I used the word "puffery" > and now I could not help but thing of this in relation to your > first name. Do you know what "Michael" means in Hebrew? "Who (is) like God?; Mikael, the name of an archangel and of nine Israelites:--Michael." I felt like I was on episode of Jeopardy there for a minute. |
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> > Sincerely, > > --Marshall > > PS: In an earlier post in this thread, I used the word "puffery" > and now I could not help but thing of this in relation to your > first name. Do you know what "Michael" means in Hebrew? Yes, I, for one, do; but, the Hebrew reference is not to Michael Ryan, it's to me. Sorry for the confusion. Michael Plant |
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okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D."
enough selling of your products and website "Michael Ryan" > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/04 |
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"Joanne Rosen" > wrote in message link.net>...
> okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D." > > enough selling of your products and website > > > "Michael Ryan" > > Dear Joanne, First of all I don't feel he is selling, and even if he wants to get some exposure that's fine with me. He knows what he is talking about and provides the group with valuable information. I personally very happy to see him here and I'm looking forward to seeing more of his revealing posts. |
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Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain credibility that most of us consumers just don't have. Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less than objective when everyone knows you have your own business. Just MHO, Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net remove the "filter" in my email address to reply |
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Mike Petro > wrote in message >. ..
snip > Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific > vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less > than objective when everyone knows you have your own business. > > Just MHO, Mike's point is well taken all 'round. BTW, Michael, do you know the English translation of the Hebrew that is our name? Or you Mike? Yuk, yuk. Whatever the "Lipton thing" was, and to add a bit of science to our discussion, let me share the results of some empirical, albeit anecdotal, evidence I've gathered in my many years of tea drinking: ***LIPTON SUCKS!!!*** There, I've said it again. Michael PS: Michael I'm looking forward to my Phoenices, which ought to arrive in time for the great weekend tasting. I'll let you know how they went/ drank. M |
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"Joanne Rosen" > wrote in message link.net>...
> okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D." > > enough selling of your products and website > > > "Michael Ryan" > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/04 I haven't found Michael at all bothersome. I think he's been quite helpful as a matter of fact. Cameron |
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Helpful & no noticible selling except the link to his shop. >Subject: STOP >From: (Cameron Lewis) >Date: 1/19/2004 12:38 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: > > >"Joanne Rosen" > wrote in message hlink.net>... >> okay it is my turn to play" Debbie D." >> >> enough selling of your products and website >> >> >> "Michael Ryan" > >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/04 > >I haven't found Michael at all bothersome. I think he's been quite >helpful as a matter of fact. > >Cameron > > > > > > --Tom -oo- ""\o~ ------------------------------------ "Homo sum, humani nil a me alienum puto." Terrance |
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Hi all,
The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google account with my new email address because died with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email popup while Googling, Yahoo  *&$&^%$#*&Jim Mike Petro > wrote in message >. .. > Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business > transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are > predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has > a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings > a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain > credibility that most of us consumers just don't have. > > Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific > vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less > than objective when everyone knows you have your own business. > > Just MHO, > > > Mike Petro |
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-- Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv British Map http://pub32.bravenet.com/guestmap/v...num=2692147218 World Map http://pub13.bravenet.com/guestmap/v...num=1064374771 "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message om... > Hi all, > > The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good > news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put > any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited > websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's > clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by > the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know > my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass > produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular > businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on > the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing > more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to > listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who > boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no > guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat > repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram > tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google > account with my new email address because died > with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email > popup while Googling, Yahoo *&$&^%$#*&> > Jim > > Mike Petro > wrote in message >. .. > > Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business > > transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are > > predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has > > a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings > > a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain > > credibility that most of us consumers just don't have. > > > > Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific > > vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less > > than objective when everyone knows you have your own business. > > > > Just MHO, > > > > > > Mike Petro |
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> "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message om...
> > Hi all, > > > > The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good > > news I can surf. Snip Hi, If you want a good reliable server which is free & has no comercial adverts or ties Go to http://news.individual.net/ This is the Berlin University server & many people in England use it because of its reliability. I have used it for about 7 years with no problems. You have to subscribe (Free) but they don't give out your EMail to anyone. (You can't access Porn sites but R.F.D.T. is covered) I hope this helps. -- Dave Croft Warrington England http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv |
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Thank you Jim, Hmmm...I never really thought of myself as a groupie. I stand by my opinion that WS and Michael have shared more about puerh than I have found anywhere else on the Internet. What is wrong with that? I dont have any local sources to learn these things. If you have another source I would be grateful if you would share it. BTW what ever happened to your webpage about ethnic languages and tea terms? On 21 Jan 2004 09:29:44 -0800, (Space Cowboy) wrote: >Hi all, > >The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good >news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put >any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited >websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's >clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by >the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know >my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass >produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular >businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on >the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing >more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to >listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who >boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no >guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat >repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram >tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google >account with my new email address because died >with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email >popup while Googling, Yahoo *&$&^%$#*&> >Jim > >Mike Petro > wrote in message >. .. >> Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business >> transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are >> predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has >> a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings >> a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain >> credibility that most of us consumers just don't have. >> >> Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific >> vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less >> than objective when everyone knows you have your own business. >> >> Just MHO, >> >> >> Mike Petro Mike Petro http://www.pu-erh.net remove the "filter" in my email address to reply |
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> Hi all, > > The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good > news I can surf. The bad news I have too redouble my efforts to put > any WWW site mentioned in this group in my browser's prohibited > websites. Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's > clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet. Now exacerbated by > the recent phenomenom of each site with it's own groupies. You know > my guy knows more about puerh than your guy or your yixing pot is mass > produced and my handcrafted by an artisan. How come this particular > businessman thinks you're so stupid? He hasn't said anything new on > the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles. It is nothing > more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to > listen to him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng. So for us who > boil water with no newsgroup server that only leaves Google with no > guarantee of any timelag turnaround so I'll miss my tit-for-tat > repartee but it'll give me more time to enjoy my expensive pence\gram > tea. If I ever figure how to do it again I'll get a new Google > account with my new email address because died > with the 14.4 dialup. Look a picture of a naked woman in an email > popup while Googling, Yahoo *&$&^%$#*&> > Jim > > Mike Petro > wrote in message >. .. > > Michael has helped me by educating me, above and beyond any business > > transactions. I, for one, appreciate his posts. I feel that they are > > predominantly informational with very little spam injected. Yes he has > > a business and might be a little overt at times, but I think he brings > > a lot to the table. Being in the business gives him a certain > > credibility that most of us consumers just don't have. > > > > Michael, I would refrain from directly criticizing other specific > > vendors though, like the Lipton thing. It comes across as being less > > than objective when everyone knows you have your own business. > > > > Just MHO, > > > > > > Mike Petro Just a little response to passionate 1480 comments snipped and quoted below. >"Nothing worse than surfing then to stumble across someone's clueless idea of where to buy tea on the Internet."< I thought the purpose of News Groups was to share information. In addition, I would think letting others know where to get some product that is not easy to find. Alternatively, referring someone to a source you have had good luck with this product this is sharing information and what News Groups are for or so I thought. >"How come this particular businessman thinks you're so stupid?"< When I posted information about tea and teapots, I said I never claimed to know everything. I posted this information based off my first hand experiences. If I made you or anyone else, feel stupid I am sorry about that, it was not my intention, maybe I should be more careful when sharing my experiences. >"He hasn't said anything new on the subject from yixing seasoning to cooking piles."< I only thought that maybe new users would want to see a fresh topic that was not from 1995 about the processing of tea and other things asked about often in the New Group, instead of having to dig to the bottom to find the answer. >"It is nothing more than la-de-da and pssst buy something from me while having to listen to >him and a buyer clarify an order over the ng."< It is ok if you do not buy anything from me I can accept that. I have plenty of very happy repeat customers. My intention was not to come here and sell my products it was to share information. In Hindsight posting that I sell teapots in this forum was for sure a mistake. I was only trying to be helpful to the group, but as the old sayings goes "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can not please all of the people all of the time." I will no longer post anything that refers to my business I will continue to ignore the abundant links to other companies left by users wanting to help others out by referring them to a source. In addition, as soon as I figure out how to change my e-mail address I will change it to something less revealing so that the more sensitive people are not offended or threatened by it. I will continue to post pertinent information when I find the time, or answer any questions asked of me to my best of my ability. I will no longer respond to these types of negative messages it is not worth the time and it is like trying to remove a ink dot from a paper the harder you try to remove it the more messy it gets. Thanks to all of you who backed me up, it is greatly appreciated. I am sorry if you think that I should have not responded to this however, I felt that I had to put in one last word regardless of the outcome. me |
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Mike Petro > wrote in message >. ..
> Thank you Jim, > > Hmmm...I never really thought of myself as a groupie. That's the polite term. See my other postings on johns and pimps disguised as buyers and sellers. You aren't the first or last to say 'Hey everybody look what I bought and from you know who'. If you want approval join a ten step program. > I stand by my opinion that WS and Michael have shared more about puerh > than I have found anywhere else on the Internet. What is wrong with > that? I dont have any local sources to learn these things. If you have > another source I would be grateful if you would share it. You came to the right place. What has been said recently on the subject has been said before in the ng. The only twist was the use of the word 'cooking' but in reality is connotative of others terms for the process. If you want real puerh find a Chinese apothacary. > BTW what ever happened to your webpage about ethnic languages and > tea terms? I hope you're not holding your breath but since you asked: Last year I bought a cheap USB digital camera for $35. It worked great for about a month but was sensitive to light and bright colors. Prior to the camera I used another USB device but since it was the first I damaged one of the two ports when I tried to insert it backwards. Yep you can do that with USB. After getting the camera to work on the one good port I decided to swap out the two external ports for two good ones. I opened up the skins and pulled the eight bin connector on the MB with the two attached ports. I took it the computer shop and nobody had seen such a combined connector. I ended up with two 4 pin connectors each with its own port. No matter how many permutations of motherboard connections I couldn't get any USB port to work. I reinserted the eight pin connector and couldn't get it to work again. I should know to ALWAYS mark wiring connections. I do that for cars even if I pull the battery cables. I'm about ready to toss my present MB and invest in USB 2.0. Now I got high speed internet access and when I listen to Internet radio stations all I get is a staccato because of a bad audio chip plus the buss locks up and I continually have to reboot. Don't even get me started why my telecom provider pairs up with MSN except for a modest discount and doesn't provide NNTP or POP3. Also no personal webpage space. I spew out the ethnic terms when the posts ask for it if it matches my experiences in the stores. Jim |
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Hi Dave,
Thanks mucho gusto. I always thought free NNTP servers on the Internet were a myth. I'll give it a whirl. I suspect somewhere there is a catch like you don't live on this side of the Atlantic or get the hell out of Iraq. Anyway my new ISP is suppose to have a new filter to identify dirty pictures to pigeon hole in special folders for adults only. However easy is that? No guessing. Jim "Dave Croft" > wrote in message >... > > "Space Cowboy" > wrote in message om... > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The good news I got dsl. The bad news no newsgroup server. The good > > > news I can surf. Snip > > Hi, If you want a good reliable server which is free & has no comercial adverts or ties > Go to http://news.individual.net/ > This is the Berlin University server & many people in England use it because of its reliability. > I have used it for about 7 years with no problems. > You have to subscribe (Free) but they don't give out your EMail to anyone. > (You can't access Porn sites but R.F.D.T. is covered) > I hope this helps. |
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