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Derek
 
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[ Edited for top posting ]

It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> "Ripon" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Derek > wrote in message

> >...
>>
>> > There's a lot of people in the world who drink tea, and most
>> > of them don't post here.

>>
>> Derek:
>>
>> Thats a very important point. Some one here always forget it.

>
> Remember you need his permission to use that in a book. Idjut.
>
> Jim


"Idjut"? This coming from the guy who thinks opinions expressed in
this group are unique to this group?

Good grief.

That's it. I'm going to Vancouver. I need a vacation.

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Derek

Quitters never win. Winners never quit.
But those who never win and never quit are idiots.
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When they start to repeat themselves it is time to bail out. The rest of
the world won't
give a squat about another tea book. Reminds me of a time when some buffoon
from Britain was trying to impress me with his knowledge of tea and never
heard of o'clock teas. So take your sticky notes with the website tea
addresses and order the oldest puerh you can find and report back how fresh
it tastes.

Jim

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
> > There's a big difference between suggestions in the group on
> > better cups of tea from multiple infusions and the market
> > practice of selling expensive teas to gullible customers
> > suggesting they recoup their costs by reusing the leaves.

>
> Yes, so? What the heck does this have to do with copyright of
> usenet posts, especially considering that I've had the same
> conversation offline?
>
> > The rest of the world doesn't buy tea from a website or tea
> > shoppe.

>
> The "rest of the world" doesn't post here, either. That doesn't
> mean that our ideas are unique or necessarily original.
>
> --
> Derek




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It's the first time it's been used in this ng. When you see the [Edited for
top posting] the spelling and grammar flames aren't far behind. Common
sense would tell me VCBC would be ideal for discovering teas. It isn't. We
had that discussion several years ago in the group. That alone shows the
group knowledge not available elsewhere.

Jim

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> [ Edited for top posting ]
>
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
> > "Ripon" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> Derek > wrote in message

> > >...
> >>
> >> > There's a lot of people in the world who drink tea, and most
> >> > of them don't post here.
> >>
> >> Derek:
> >>
> >> Thats a very important point. Some one here always forget it.

> >
> > Remember you need his permission to use that in a book. Idjut.
> >
> > Jim

>
> "Idjut"? This coming from the guy who thinks opinions expressed in
> this group are unique to this group?
>
> Good grief.
>
> That's it. I'm going to Vancouver. I need a vacation.
>
> --
> Derek




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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> It's the first time it's been used in this ng. When you see the
> [Edited for top posting] the spelling and grammar flames aren't
> far behind.


No, it doesn't - unless one is trying to be defensive. It means
that I reordered the posts for coherence should anyone else ever
read it.

> Common sense would tell me VCBC would be ideal for
> discovering teas. It isn't. We had that discussion several
> years ago in the group.


And you know, with 100% certainty, that this was only EVER
discussed in this group?

> That alone shows the group knowledge not available elsewhere.


No, it doesn't. It means that members of this group have not been
exposed to that knowledge elsewhere or that they haven't talked
about it with others.

That does not make it exclusive information.

--
Derek

If you never try anything new, you'll miss out on many of life's
great disappointments.
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If you're having trouble following posts get a threaded newsreader. If
you're cheap like me Google is threaded so you can catch up there. Nothing
worse than N levels of > in a thread. Anybody who edits ain't doing you a
favor. In this case the edit is for sound bites and not a substantive
argument. You know something like the bright idea of there is nothing new
under the sun retort. Wait that would be an oxyidjut. I thought I'd save
you a trip to VCBC looking for tea. It ain't worth my time or the taxpayers
money to have the local library look it up on Nexus. One of the mantras in
my posts is always to give you insight into tea you won't find anywhere
else. I'm in an Indian store the other day stocking up on Indian masala for
my traditional holiday Chai Eggnog. Anyway the store was empty and the
owner was in a talkative mood explaining the future expansion of his store.
I told him I buy teapots from all over the world and NEVER ONCE bought one
from India. There are Indian import stores galore and you would expect your
choice of teapots. Anyway he said teapots are an English craze. He said
Indians and Chinese as far as he knew brew and drink tea from the same cup.
They consider it an individual health drink and not a social beverage for
'tea gossip'. Here is a case of generalization expressed in words and now
protected by copyright. You are now required to quote me relating the
information gathered from the owner. BTW 'OXYIDJUT' has never been used in
USENET and is the sole copyright of yours truly. I think I've succeeded to
the GOOGLE highest eschlon and slang dictionaries by creating a first word
use.

Jim

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
> > It's the first time it's been used in this ng. When you see the
> > [Edited for top posting] the spelling and grammar flames aren't
> > far behind.

>
> No, it doesn't - unless one is trying to be defensive. It means
> that I reordered the posts for coherence should anyone else ever
> read it.
>
> > Common sense would tell me VCBC would be ideal for
> > discovering teas. It isn't. We had that discussion several
> > years ago in the group.

>
> And you know, with 100% certainty, that this was only EVER
> discussed in this group?
>
> > That alone shows the group knowledge not available elsewhere.

>
> No, it doesn't. It means that members of this group have not been
> exposed to that knowledge elsewhere or that they haven't talked
> about it with others.
>
> That does not make it exclusive information.
>
> --
> Derek




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Space Cowboy wrote:

> If you're having trouble following posts get a threaded newsreader. If
> you're cheap like me Google is threaded so you can catch up there. Nothing
> worse than N levels of > in a thread. Anybody who edits ain't doing you a


If you're cheap like me, you can use Mozilla Thunderbird, which is
threaded and a free download (unless you pay for connect time).

dmh

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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> If you're having trouble following posts get a threaded
> newsreader. If you're cheap like me Google is threaded so you
> can catch up there.


Wonderful logic. Especially given that I've watched my own posts
not show up on my own newsserver and yet replies to them do. Funny
how things can disappear from threads.

(It also happens when people use "X-No-Archive" headers.)

> Nothing worse than N levels of > in a thread.


I can agree with that.

> Anybody who edits ain't doing you a favor. In this
> case the edit is for sound bites and not a substantive argument.


No, in this "case" the edit was to put things in chronological
order. Nothing was removed from what you wrote. And the fact that
you disagree with my post doesn't not make my point insubstantive.

> You know something like the bright idea of there is nothing new
> under the sun retort. Wait that would be an oxyidjut. I
> thought I'd save you a trip to VCBC looking for tea.


I didn't go to BC searching for tea, genius. Nor did I have time
while I was there to even consider visiting Chinatown.

> It ain't
> worth my time or the taxpayers money to have the local library
> look it up on Nexus. One of the mantras in my posts is always
> to give you insight into tea you won't find anywhere else.


Over the years, I've noticed that you often write as if all of your
"insights" are completely new and unique. I hate to break it to
you, but they're not all new.

> I'm
> in an Indian store the other day stocking up on Indian masala
> for my traditional holiday Chai Eggnog. Anyway the store was
> empty and the owner was in a talkative mood explaining the
> future expansion of his store. I told him I buy teapots from all
> over the world and NEVER ONCE bought one from India. There are
> Indian import stores galore and you would expect your choice of
> teapots. Anyway he said teapots are an English craze. He said
> Indians and Chinese as far as he knew brew and drink tea from
> the same cup. They consider it an individual health drink and
> not a social beverage for 'tea gossip'.


No kidding. Oops. I'm sorry. I'm not supposed to have known this
information before you posted it, am I?

> Here is a case of
> generalization expressed in words and now protected by
> copyright. You are now required to quote me relating the
> information gathered from the owner.


Either that, or I can quote the response from the guy at my local
teashop when I asked him the same question a few years back.

> BTW 'OXYIDJUT' has never
> been used in USENET and is the sole copyright of yours truly. I
> think I've succeeded to the GOOGLE highest eschlon and slang
> dictionaries by creating a first word use.


If I ever do use it, I will be sure to cite the appropriate source.
It is, at least, new.

--
Derek

It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a
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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when David M.
Harris stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> Space Cowboy wrote:
>
>> If you're having trouble following posts get a threaded
>> newsreader. If you're cheap like me Google is threaded so you
>> can catch up there. Nothing worse than N levels of > in a
>> thread. Anybody who edits ain't doing you a

>
> If you're cheap like me, you can use Mozilla Thunderbird, which
> is threaded and a free download (unless you pay for connect
> time).


Or be cheap like me and use Xnews which is free and use the
news.individual.net servers, which are also free.

The only charge is connection.

--
Derek

It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a
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Derek > wrote in :

> Or be cheap like me and use Xnews which is free and use the
> news.individual.net servers, which are also free.
>
> The only charge is connection.


What cheap has to do using Google, I don't know. Reading news via a Web
interface for any length of time is excruciatiing, IMO. Possibly it could
induce grumpiness in posters; none in evidence in this thread, of course,
no, none at all.

Like you, I love Xnews, and there are several other great "free" clients.
Where is it written that one must pay through cash or else through
suffering?

And certainly "threading" doesn't excuse or explain posting on top of
quoted material one bit.

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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when fLameDogg
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> Derek > wrote in
> :
>
>> Or be cheap like me and use Xnews which is free and use the
>> news.individual.net servers, which are also free.
>>
>> The only charge is connection.

>
> What cheap has to do using Google, I don't know. Reading news
> via a Web interface for any length of time is excruciatiing,
> IMO. Possibly it could induce grumpiness in posters; none in
> evidence in this thread, of course, no, none at all.


Web based interfaces for just about anything are a pain. The only
exceptions I've seen are some very nice Blogging programs, and some
of the automated classroom systems (WebCT & Blackboard) that do a
very nice job of creating an online adjunct to the classroom
experience.

> Like you, I love Xnews, and there are several other great "free"
> clients. Where is it written that one must pay through cash or
> else through suffering?


Umm....the EULAs for Microsoft products? Oh, wait. That's
"both...and" not "or else".

--
Derek

If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.


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The other side reminds me of listening too Mister Cheez Buga complaining how
he became addicted to illegal street painkillers used to dull the ache of
illegal street diet pills so he wouldn't have to listen to conservative
groupies complaining about giving handjobs to fat guys whose arbitrary
relative moral compass avoided the shoals of masturbation but landed on the
rocks of addiction and recovery. James Joyce would probably give me a
copyright for that. Anyway there is a difference between threading and
archiving. Threading is for arguments and archiving for reference. Google
does both and nobody else. If one is lost the meaning is garbled for both
types of posts providing one is consistent in the use of each. As far as my
threads I don't need to rehash the posts of anybody else. The other
knowledgeable contributors follow suit. In all my years I've only had to
quote myself once to make a point. I think it is more earth shaking to
relate anecdotal evidence of no Indian teapots than discussing with
employees of a tea shoppe chain how many cups of tea you can get from an
expensive tea while their only corporate benefit is a coffee pot in the
back. In the future if you ever become confused on the origin of oxyidjut
you'll have to use Google because you cropped a top post reference which
necesitated it's use in the first place. I use to be one of those
tic-for-tac posting perves but after awhile realized it is an an obsession
of Bill O'Reilly wannabees. (If there was a Survivor series of such types
it would be about cannibalism.) Besides I have a passion for tea and I try
to express myself as such and let the ideas and insights fall where they may
but certainly not in a book without my permission. I will never bore you
with my travel itenary which doesn't include a visit to Chinatown looking
for tea and would be eternally greatfull to somebody for pointing out it
would be a waste of time if I did.

Jim
"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
> > If you're having trouble following posts get a threaded
> > newsreader. If you're cheap like me Google is threaded so you
> > can catch up there.

>
> Wonderful logic. Especially given that I've watched my own posts
> not show up on my own newsserver and yet replies to them do. Funny
> how things can disappear from threads.
>
> (It also happens when people use "X-No-Archive" headers.)
>
> > Nothing worse than N levels of > in a thread.

>
> I can agree with that.
>
> > Anybody who edits ain't doing you a favor. In this
> > case the edit is for sound bites and not a substantive argument.

>
> No, in this "case" the edit was to put things in chronological
> order. Nothing was removed from what you wrote. And the fact that
> you disagree with my post doesn't not make my point insubstantive.
>
> > You know something like the bright idea of there is nothing new
> > under the sun retort. Wait that would be an oxyidjut. I
> > thought I'd save you a trip to VCBC looking for tea.

>
> I didn't go to BC searching for tea, genius. Nor did I have time
> while I was there to even consider visiting Chinatown.
>
> > It ain't
> > worth my time or the taxpayers money to have the local library
> > look it up on Nexus. One of the mantras in my posts is always
> > to give you insight into tea you won't find anywhere else.

>
> Over the years, I've noticed that you often write as if all of your
> "insights" are completely new and unique. I hate to break it to
> you, but they're not all new.
>
> > I'm
> > in an Indian store the other day stocking up on Indian masala
> > for my traditional holiday Chai Eggnog. Anyway the store was
> > empty and the owner was in a talkative mood explaining the
> > future expansion of his store. I told him I buy teapots from all
> > over the world and NEVER ONCE bought one from India. There are
> > Indian import stores galore and you would expect your choice of
> > teapots. Anyway he said teapots are an English craze. He said
> > Indians and Chinese as far as he knew brew and drink tea from
> > the same cup. They consider it an individual health drink and
> > not a social beverage for 'tea gossip'.

>
> No kidding. Oops. I'm sorry. I'm not supposed to have known this
> information before you posted it, am I?
>
> > Here is a case of
> > generalization expressed in words and now protected by
> > copyright. You are now required to quote me relating the
> > information gathered from the owner.

>
> Either that, or I can quote the response from the guy at my local
> teashop when I asked him the same question a few years back.
>
> > BTW 'OXYIDJUT' has never
> > been used in USENET and is the sole copyright of yours truly. I
> > think I've succeeded to the GOOGLE highest eschlon and slang
> > dictionaries by creating a first word use.

>
> If I ever do use it, I will be sure to cite the appropriate source.
> It is, at least, new.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a
> warning to others.


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I completely agree with your assertion that anecdotal evidence of
the absence of Indian teapots is more interesting than chatting
with a store peon about multiple infusions.

But the issue at hand is not whether anecdotal evidence is better
than corporate profiteering. The issue is whether or not your posts
are unique sources of this information. Short of direct quotation,
they are not. After all, you got your information from somewhere or
someone else just like the rest of us.

As for being a "tic-for-tac posting perve," I didn't edit your
message because top posting bothers me. I edited because I wanted
to keep the text in chronological order. And I will always
acknowledge when I have changed someone else's post - even simply
the order. If that still bothers you...I really don't care.

As for not being grateful for your advice - it wasn't advice. It
was written to repeat an erroneous point about the inherent
uniqueness of the information in this group. If I had asked for
advice on where to find good tea in Vancouver, I would have
appreciated any given. But I am not going to feign gratuity for
something that is unsolicited and, in fact, not really assistance.

--
Derek

Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total
failure to make any progress.


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Space thlink.net11/25/03


> The other side reminds me of listening too Mister Cheez Buga complaining how
> he became addicted to illegal street painkillers used to dull the ache of
> illegal street diet pills so he wouldn't have to listen to conservative
> groupies complaining about giving handjobs to fat guys whose arbitrary
> relative moral compass avoided the shoals of masturbation but landed on the
> rocks of addiction and recovery. James Joyce would probably give me a
> copyright for that.


Sunny Jim -- a reference not to yourself, I fear -- would have unabashedly
copied your text into a little notebook and used it with no credit to you
and no hint of copyright. Get real. But any reference at all to Joyce makes
me just a little happier.

snip snip snip

> I think it is more earth shaking to
> relate anecdotal evidence of no Indian teapots than discussing with
> employees of a tea shoppe chain how many cups of tea you can get from an
> expensive tea while their only corporate benefit is a coffee pot in the
> back.


I'm too old for earth shaking. Please tone down. Thanks.

>In the future if you ever become confused on the origin of oxyidjut
> you'll have to use Google because you cropped a top post reference which
> necesitated it's use in the first place.


Oxyidjut is *not* a legitimate word in the English lexicon until I use it.
Personally, I think most of you are bloody oxyidjuts. There. Happy now?

snip snip snip

>Besides I have a passion for tea and I try
> to express myself as such and let the ideas and insights fall where they may
> but certainly not in a book without my permission.


My upcoming tome has an entire chapter dedicated to your rfdt posts.

>I will never bore you...


Well, I dunno. I'm sure you'll find a way. As do we all.

Michael

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Top post edits, now bottom post edits, what next a white space post edit
where nothing is said because really there's nothing new from the other side
except paraphrasing what he previously said on the subject which was so
conveniently edited under the guise of chronological order but nothing more
than a vailed attempt to conceal the fact he has nothing new to say because
if he did he'd have to admit somebody else said it first and dismissed any
examples under the ubiquitous catchall theory that the chicken came first
because if it was said here it was learned or derived elsewhere contrary to
the fact that imagination and inspiration allows us to ask new questions why
certain teapots aren't more plentifull and some teas taste better with
multiple infusions for many more reasons than price ie., questions precede
discovery which allows us to say things not found elsewhere irregardless of
common public banality QED which leads me to elevate myself to the highest
status as a Google icon symbol for creating the second word or phrase never
before used on the planet in subsequent days and as a byproduct receiving a
third possible Google honoraria of the longest run on sentence where some
ingrate will have to edit the sentence which is consistent with my mantra of
always including something fresh while the only claim of fame for some leech
is tagging along for a ride on my posts but has been preceded by other
bloodsuckers who only whine and don't contribute except to say the world is
round because it is common knowledge or any other trivial mundane specious
argument you can find in any other usenet post on any subject simply used by
people who idle their cars at the gas pump who don't have a clue.

Jim

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> I completely agree with your assertion that anecdotal evidence of
> the absence of Indian teapots is more interesting than chatting
> with a store peon about multiple infusions.
>
> But the issue at hand is not whether anecdotal evidence is better
> than corporate profiteering. The issue is whether or not your posts
> are unique sources of this information. Short of direct quotation,
> they are not. After all, you got your information from somewhere or
> someone else just like the rest of us.
>
> As for being a "tic-for-tac posting perve," I didn't edit your
> message because top posting bothers me. I edited because I wanted
> to keep the text in chronological order. And I will always
> acknowledge when I have changed someone else's post - even simply
> the order. If that still bothers you...I really don't care.
>
> As for not being grateful for your advice - it wasn't advice. It
> was written to repeat an erroneous point about the inherent
> uniqueness of the information in this group. If I had asked for
> advice on where to find good tea in Vancouver, I would have
> appreciated any given. But I am not going to feign gratuity for
> something that is unsolicited and, in fact, not really assistance.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total
> failure to make any progress.
>
>


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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> Top post edits, now bottom post edits, what next a white space
> post edit where nothing is said because really there's nothing
> new from the other side except paraphrasing what he previously
> said on the subject which was so conveniently edited under the
> guise of chronological order but nothing more than a vailed
> attempt to conceal the fact he has nothing new to say because
> if he did he'd have to admit somebody else said it first and
> dismissed any examples under the ubiquitous catchall theory that
> the chicken came first because if it was said here it was
> learned or derived elsewhere contrary to the fact that
> imagination and inspiration allows us to ask new questions why
> certain teapots aren't more plentifull and some teas taste
> better with multiple infusions for many more reasons than price
> ie., questions precede discovery which allows us to say things
> not found elsewhere irregardless of common public banality QED
> which leads me to elevate myself to the highest status as a
> Google icon symbol for creating the second word or phrase never
> before used on the planet in subsequent days and as a byproduct
> receiving a third possible Google honoraria of the longest run
> on sentence where some ingrate will have to edit the sentence
> which is consistent with my mantra of always including something
> fresh while the only claim of fame for some leech is tagging
> along for a ride on my posts but has been preceded by other
> bloodsuckers who only whine and don't contribute except to say
> the world is round because it is common knowledge or any other
> trivial mundane specious argument you can find in any other
> usenet post on any subject simply used by people who idle their
> cars at the gas pump who don't have a clue.


Rambling as an attempt to avoid responding to assertions?

Now there's something I've never seen before.

--
Derek

There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive
idiots.


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"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
> > Top post edits, now bottom post edits, what next a white space
> > post edit where nothing is said because really there's nothing
> > new from the other side except paraphrasing what he previously
> > said on the subject which was so conveniently edited under the
> > guise of chronological order but nothing more than a vailed
> > attempt to conceal the fact he has nothing new to say because
> > if he did he'd have to admit somebody else said it first and
> > dismissed any examples under the ubiquitous catchall theory that
> > the chicken came first because if it was said here it was
> > learned or derived elsewhere contrary to the fact that
> > imagination and inspiration allows us to ask new questions why
> > certain teapots aren't more plentifull and some teas taste
> > better with multiple infusions for many more reasons than price
> > ie., questions precede discovery which allows us to say things
> > not found elsewhere irregardless of common public banality QED
> > which leads me to elevate myself to the highest status as a
> > Google icon symbol for creating the second word or phrase never
> > before used on the planet in subsequent days and as a byproduct
> > receiving a third possible Google honoraria of the longest run
> > on sentence where some ingrate will have to edit the sentence
> > which is consistent with my mantra of always including something
> > fresh while the only claim of fame for some leech is tagging
> > along for a ride on my posts but has been preceded by other
> > bloodsuckers who only whine and don't contribute except to say
> > the world is round because it is common knowledge or any other
> > trivial mundane specious argument you can find in any other
> > usenet post on any subject simply used by people who idle their
> > cars at the gas pump who don't have a clue.

>
> Rambling as an attempt to avoid responding to assertions?
>
> Now there's something I've never seen before.
>
> --
> Derek
>
> There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive
> idiots.


I've seen it before. It's popular with high school students, people who
haven't thought out their beliefs, and the mentally ill.
Since none of us who post here regularly (except, possibly, Ripon) live in a
major tea-growing country, own a tea plantation, make teapots by hand, or
have written books on either of these subjects after privately interviewing
people who do any of those things, I'd say that we all learned our info from
someone else- which means it's not proprietary. That is true of all tea
lists which seem to be populated mainly by men and women in North America
and Western Europe- neither place being well known for producing tea or
original teapots, or tool that are used exclusively as part of a tea
ceremony.

Unless SC is getting his tea information directly through letters written by
a tea-drinking lama living on top of a mountain in Tibet, whom he me while
travelling there looking for unknown tea-lore, than everything he knows came
from sources that are available to everyone.


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Finally something new in rfdt. Now let go of my coattails and go find
somebody else to hold your hand.

Jim

"Derek" > wrote in message
...
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:


> Now there's something I've never seen before.
>
> --
> Derek


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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

> Finally something new in rfdt. Now let go of my coattails and
> go find somebody else to hold your hand.


I wouldn't ride on your coattails if I was crippled in both legs and
it was the only way I could cross the street to take a dump.

Now if you had wanted to talk about the rather duplicitous way that
Rippon was asking questions without informing us that it (apparently)
was research for a book, you might actually appear as intelligent as
you think you are.

--
Derek

Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off
now.
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Derek wrote:
>
> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
> > Finally something new in rfdt. Now let go of my coattails and
> > go find somebody else to hold your hand.

>
> I wouldn't ride on your coattails if I was crippled in both legs and
> it was the only way I could cross the street to take a dump.


Don't be so hasty. Skip the ride and just take a dump on his coattails.

--crymad
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> It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Space Cowboy
> stepped up to the microphone and muttered:
>
>> Finally something new in rfdt. Now let go of my coattails and
>> go find somebody else to hold your hand.

>
> I wouldn't ride on your coattails if I was crippled in both legs and
> it was the only way I could cross the street to take a dump.
>
> Now if you had wanted to talk about the rather duplicitous way that
> Rippon was asking questions without informing us that it (apparently)
> was research for a book, you might actually appear as intelligent as
> you think you are.



Derek,

I think you might be a bit hard ripping into poor Ripon; his "research"
questions certainly engendered a lot of interest among us, and I believe he
did tell us about his book. Cut the guy some slack. He's a pretty good
citizen here in the play pen. Just my opinion.

Michael




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It was open stage night in rec.food.drink.tea, when Michael Plant
stepped up to the microphone and muttered:

>> Now if you had wanted to talk about the rather duplicitous way
>> that Rippon was asking questions without informing us that it
>> (apparently) was research for a book, you might actually appear
>> as intelligent as you think you are.

>
>
> Derek,
>
> I think you might be a bit hard ripping into poor Ripon; his
> "research" questions certainly engendered a lot of interest
> among us, and I believe he did tell us about his book. Cut the
> guy some slack. He's a pretty good citizen here in the play pen.
> Just my opinion.


Michael,

I think the questions are good, and I don't intend to be "ripping
hard" into Ripon. This was, after all, the only time I made any
critical comments about him or the book.

Never the less, I do not remember any comment about writing a book
until someone specifically asked about it. Only then did we find
out (and only then did Jim pull out his soapbox).

I'm not "anti-Ripon" or even "anti-Ripon's-book." But it's not like
this was investigative reporting whereby telling us why he was
asking the questions would ruin the final product.

Now we know, and it's no big deal to me that the questions are for
a book. But I would have liked to have known from the beginning.
Not telling us until explicitly asked makes it *look* like there's
something to hide.

And that's the only point I was trying to make.

--
Derek

The only consistent feature of all of your dissatisfying
relationships is you.
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