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Tea (rec.drink.tea) Discussion relating to tea, the world's second most consumed beverage (after water), made by infusing or boiling the leaves of the tea plant (C. sinensis or close relatives) in water. |
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While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Tuesday, August 12,
2008, Derek rolled initiative and posted the following: Acid rain in the eastern half of the state is created by pollution on the West Coast. Apologies. That should read "eastern half of the United States" -- Derek Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. |
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On Aug 12, 5:19*pm, Derek wrote:
No such thread exists for discussing tap water .. I've already covered that. According to Google's archive, it does. Was someone else posting from your account? Can you tell me the exact name and I'll research it. TIA. I give you "UV for killing bacteria in water" from alt.home.repair. That's my own post! ...and it's under Home Repair, a far cry from "TAP WATER VS BOTTLED WATER." And while it is true that your original question was about bottled water, the discussion quickly moved to tap water. And you, yourself, later commented in the thread about the harmful stuff present in your tap water. and? |
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On Aug 12, 5:33*pm, Derek wrote:
While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Tuesday, August 12, Evaporation produces H20 in the air. It's still water. It doesn't produce nitrogen or free-standing oxygen, which make up the majority of our air. So what does it produce? Dirt? What does steam produce? Dirt? Funny how you never answer this. Water vapor from evaporation later condenses in the high atmosphere and comes back down as precipitation. "Later" what about "sooner" and "in between time"? Air. You breathe some amount of evaporated water every day and with every breath. Why do you continue to duck this fact? It never stops being water. Beeep. Wrong answer. Water can shed oxygen (do you understand H2O?). Evaporation occurs continuously everywhere. That "air" gets mixed in with the rest and that's what we breathe. There's no other scenario. Oxygen, Nitrogen, and Argon make up over 99% of the air we breathe. Depending on what "scientific" source you believe. And not all air is the same. The air is full of stuff. Furthermore oxygen levels were much higher thousands of years ago depending on what sources you believe. It is incorrect to suggest that "air" gets mixed into water vapor. What?! You've said so yourself when you claimed evaporation rises into the upper atmosphere. What, it magically vanished from the surface and popped up on top of the atmosphere? You've turned to debating yourself! To say "There's no other scenario" isn't scientific, it's dogma. B.S. Why can't you provide all the alternatives for us now? Rewording your original premise makes you repetitive, not right. Nor does it make me wrong. I've reworded for you to understand better. I understand that you're still making statements that are overly simplified and scientifically incorrect. I'll ask you again to spell them out. There is, in fact, an argument to be made in your favor. But you're not making it. B.S. I've backed myself up every time. It is you who shoots blanks. |
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On Aug 12, 5:41*pm, Derek wrote:
While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Tuesday, August 12, 2008, rolled initiative and posted the following: On Aug 12, 7:20*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: I take it you have never lived next to a big coal-fired generator plant? --scott Do I need to? Ever hear of Youtube or tv? Fact is coal is awful, but times that by at least 1000 and this is how bad all the accumulated auto exhaust is. Furthermore, who lives near coal plants? 1%. Who lives in and around cities? 90%. Weak argument. Sorry to see you lose that one bigtime. Actually, one does not have to live near a coal plan to be affected. The other goof strongly suggested that, not I My main argument was that auto pollution coal factory pollution. However the levels are the greatest downwind from a coal factory and as you move away, it dissipates to lower levels. In fact, living farther away can be more problematic. Acid rain in the eastern half of the state is created by pollution on the West Coast. Airborne pollution doesn't stay put. The farther away the better. Upwind the best. Your statistics on coal versus cars also seem a bit off. In 2000, carbon emissions in the U.S. from transportation are estimated to be 513 million metric tons. Carbon emissions from coal are estimated to be 570 million metric tons. That suggests parity in the pollution, not a thousandfold difference. Let's say your figures are correct .. which I hardly trust. I'm still right, more people are adversely affected by auto emissions X 1000 fold or more. Nice try. If I had time, I could prove the math is in my favor. Just figure out the TRUE number of coal factories versus the 500 million+ autos in use daily and then multiply each by the average levels of harmful chemicals. |
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On Aug 12, 6:57*pm, Derek wrote:
Of course it's your own post. You're being given credit for starting the thread. Go back and read what Dominic wrote. No, I meant no "TAP WATER VS BOTTLED WATER" NG exists. That's been my contention all along. Furthermore, why would anyone half sane provide a source which is my own ?? And while it is true that your original question was about bottled water, the discussion quickly moved to tap water. And you, yourself, later commented in the thread about the harmful stuff present in your tap water. and? And, in response to Dominic's reference (including group name) you said "No such thread exists for discussing tap water". And? What has one to do with the other ?? |
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On Aug 12, 7:39 pm, Derek wrote:
I argue that vaporization of water is insufficient for the creation of "air." Now it's insufficient?! So now you agree that I'm partly right. Pretty soon you'll be in full agreement with my first view lol. Evaporation produces H20 in the air. It's still water. It doesn't produce nitrogen or free-standing oxygen, which make up the majority of our air. So what does it produce? Dirt? What does steam produce? Dirt? Funny how you never answer this. Water vapor from evaporation later condenses in the high atmosphere and comes back down as precipitation. "Later" what about "sooner" and "in between time"? Air. You breathe some amount of evaporated water every day and with every breath. Why do you continue to duck this fact? I don't "duck" this fact. I argue that vaporization of water is insufficient for the creation of "air." You've just ducked it again. You won't admit that a portion of what we breathe is evaporated air! Admit I'm right and be done with it. It never stops being water. Beeep. Wrong answer. Water can shed oxygen (do you understand H2O?). Yes, if you subject it to electrolysis, which I've already mentioned. Boiling water produces H2O vapor, not H2 and O. Wrong again. Didn't you do this experiment in highschool? Maybe you haven't got that far yet. It's about grade 7. Heat a pint of water in a kettle with a huge balloon tied to the spout. The balloon will quickly fill so big it bursts. Stop before it bursts. Let it condense. The water will pool. Drain the water. What's left? You tell me. Don't play footsie here, answer the question. Depending on what "scientific" source you believe. And not all air is the same. The air is full of stuff. Furthermore oxygen levels were much higher thousands of years ago depending on what sources you believe. All of which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Higher levels of oxygen millennia ago do not mean that boiled water suddenly becomes unassociated hydrogen and oxygen. Who said it did? I said that water vapor mixes with air. Where? That was my argument almost word for word !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude what you been smoking? Honestly. I can't waste more time with you. You win! I give up. I cry uncle. At least you've been ontopic and I thank you for that. I'll wait for someone else to take the batton from you. |
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While intrepidly exploring the bowels of USENET on Tuesday, August 12,
2008, Derek rolled initiative and posted the following: No, I don't read further down. Danged grammar errors. I meant, "No, I don't. Read further down." Nertz. -- Derek "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat teamwork." -- Edward Abbey |
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On Aug 12, 8:11*pm, Derek wrote:
Yes, I did that experiment. The water vapor fills the balloon, as well as causing the existing air to warm and expand. If you let it cool down, ALL of the water vapor will condense back into a liquid. Wrong again squirt. You've obviously never did the experiment or lie because the balloon in the gaseous state is less than 5% water. You like being wrong a lot huh. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm getting tired of proving you wrong. |
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