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i just tried posting with a prefix in the subject

[TEA] subject

but google groups did not show it as such!, just subject...

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seems (TEA) works
if you guys want to chime in as to usefulness of posting with a
prefixed subject
-may be better visible between spams
-unknowing posters may not know

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> but google groups did not show it as such!, just subject...


If you're trying out things like this, why not use alt.test?

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Lewis Perin wrote:
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>> i just tried posting with a prefix in the subject
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>> [TEA] subject
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>> but google groups did not show it as such!, just subject...

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> If you're trying out things like this, why not use alt.test?


Better yet, use a real news reader and news service.


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On Aug 2, 5:32 am, Alan Petrillo > wrote:
> Lewis Perin wrote:
> > SN > writes:

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> >> i just tried posting with a prefix in the subject

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> >> [TEA] subject

>
> >> but google groups did not show it as such!, just subject...

>
> > If you're trying out things like this, why not use alt.test?

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> Better yet, use a real news reader and news service.
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i dont think so
since google read+writes to usenet, how is that NOT a real news reader
or service?

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On Aug 2, 11:34 am, SN > wrote:
> On Aug 2, 5:32 am, Alan Petrillo > wrote:
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> > Lewis Perin wrote:
> > > SN > writes:

>
> > >> i just tried posting with a prefix in the subject

>
> > >> [TEA] subject

>
> > >> but google groups did not show it as such!, just subject...

>
> > > If you're trying out things like this, why not use alt.test?

>
> > Better yet, use a real news reader and news service.

>
> > AP

>
> i dont think so
> since google read+writes to usenet, how is that NOT a real news reader
> or service?


I've stayed out of all of the recent posts about spam and newsreaders/
usenet... but I'll hop in here just to clarify. Google is NOT a good
representation of the Usenet experience.

On the "reader" side, if you will, your interface to the newsgroups,
it is very limited and basic. It is like doing fine graphic work with
Microsoft Paint vs. a professional app like Photoshop. Sure, they are
both image editing programs but one can do thousands of things more
and better.

On the server side, Google's, they do very little beyond basic
interfacing with news servers. Sure you can post and read, but not
much else.

Now a true news client program has thousands of options and features
that address all of the problems you are facing. They allow you to
have a killfile to "ignore" individuals who post that you don't care
to read, or to block threads you deem SPAM that somehow passed the
servers filters, and much more.

A real news server does a lot of filtering for spam, crossposts, etc.
Google doesn't.

Of course this is a basic explanation but hopefully it helps clarify
some of Google's shortcomings. Google offers web-based news reading/
posting, no less no more. A real newsreader client in conjunction with
a real news server offers much more, more and much less, less.

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well, technically it is a 'real' news reader and server, yes, web
based, dumbed down, simplified.
since it manages to do the job of uuencoding, uudecoding, posting,
processing messages using the usenet nntp protocols, messages
propagate to other news servers, therefore it is able to communicate
using the required standards.

more than 10 years ago there was almost no newsgroup spam, so when
they didnt have enough filtering back then it means they were not
real ?

google groups may not be how some people like it but it doesnt mean
its not 'real'.

what you're trying to say by a 'real' server is a PAID newsservice
provider
and as you pay more, you get more (usually).

i dont know a newsreader software that has these 'thousands' of
features and options,
more like a dozen features.


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On Aug 2, 1:08 pm, SN > wrote:
> well, technically it is a 'real' news reader and server, yes, web
> based, dumbed down, simplified.
> since it manages to do the job of uuencoding, uudecoding, posting,
> processing messages using the usenet nntp protocols, messages
> propagate to other news servers, therefore it is able to communicate
> using the required standards.
>
> more than 10 years ago there was almost no newsgroup spam, so when
> they didnt have enough filtering back then it means they were not
> real ?
>
> google groups may not be how some people like it but it doesnt mean
> its not 'real'.
>
> what you're trying to say by a 'real' server is a PAID newsservice
> provider
> and as you pay more, you get more (usually).
>
> i dont know a newsreader software that has these 'thousands' of
> features and options,
> more like a dozen features.


Holy shit, are you serious? OK, time to go sit in the corner and take
your meds.

I was generalizing for the folks who aren't technical, but enjoy the
group and don't know a world exists outside of Google Groups. Please,
save your bullshit with me. I never said you had to pay for a news
server, see many people get access to their ISP's news server for
FREE, but never even know it. And FYI, many news clients are free/open
source so again no one has to pay for anything.

I honestly can't believe how inane people can be online at times. You
get a gold star for being one of the few on this NG to actually make
me angry with your trivial garbage.

- Dominic

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i will save my bullshit, store it in a ziploc, and promise to take my
meds next time!

but would you like to show me where this "bullshit" is at?

google reads&posts messages that propagate to all of usenet?
doesnt do files so it doesnt need the uuenc/yenc etc, ok with that. my
bad

paid server (NH)... most of the spam as here in google groups
isp server... most of the spam as well
would you like me to compare the list of messages for an exact
comparison?

free readers,
i can count (when im on the meds) but i dont see thousands of features
maybe you have the real reader with thousands of features,
but since you did not port it to windows i am not able to find/use
it!

i guess because you cant use news.google.com:119 you are very upset!

your reply is highly brutal and inane as well,
please drink some green tea and relax.



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"SN" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> seems (TEA) works
> if you guys want to chime in as to usefulness of posting with a
> prefixed subject
> -may be better visible between spams
> -unknowing posters may not know
>


If it's any help, I use Outlook express, access the group through my ISP,
and there's a spot in Expess where I can put in words that, if in a post,
will block the post. I'm not sure whether my ISP just has incredibly good
spam blockers or whether it's my list of spam words (or both), but I have
not received any of the adult spams (npot a single one), the only ones I get
(if you term them spam) are the drive-by teashop posters.

I'm sure there must be a Firefox newsgroup reader out there someplace, I
jsut haven't bothered to look since Express is filling my requirements right
now.

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On Aug 2, 9:37 pm, SN > wrote:
> i will save my bullshit, store it in a ziploc, and promise to take my
> meds next time!
>
> but would you like to show me where this "bullshit" is at?
>
> google reads&posts messages that propagate to all of usenet?
> doesnt do files so it doesnt need the uuenc/yenc etc, ok with that. my
> bad
>
> paid server (NH)... most of the spam as here in google groups
> isp server... most of the spam as well
> would you like me to compare the list of messages for an exact
> comparison?
>
> free readers,
> i can count (when im on the meds) but i dont see thousands of features
> maybe you have the real reader with thousands of features,
> but since you did not port it to windows i am not able to find/use
> it!
>
> i guess because you cant use news.google.com:119 you are very upset!
>
> your reply is highly brutal and inane as well,
> please drink some green tea and relax.


Look, I have precious little time to argue on the Internet about such
silly stuff. I come to RFDT to get away from that mentality that
pervades most online communication. I made it clear that I stay away
from these types of posts for exactly this reason, and you were there
to help illustrate my point quite well.

I was, and stated, generalizing... and yes even exaggerating to make a
point. I have used many news readers and yes I have seen many that
range into tons of options. When it comes to binaries, PAR,
compression, etc. on top of all the standard features, web-based
remote control, queuing, and on and on.

As I stated Google Groups is like using a watered down, basic,
application. For the folks who are unaware that any other way to
interface with this group exists I was offering some leads to follow
and research if they cared to without getting technical and specific.

Honestly, I could care less about your argument. My statements stand,
disagree if you want and preach about uuencoding to a bunch of folks
who like tea and could care less.

oh, and see there is this other feature a "real" news reader has
called a killfile... welcome to mine.

- Dominic

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SN > wrote:
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>more than 10 years ago there was almost no newsgroup spam, so when
>they didnt have enough filtering back then it means they were not
>real ?


Ten years ago, servers didn't have filtering and cleanfeed didn't exist.
BUT, the clients were the same.

Ten years ago the standard clients had EXTENSIVE filtering, not to deal
with spam, but to deal with the huge amount of legitimate traffic that
a user might not want to read. Ten years ago, the filtering available on
the most basic newsreader was far more extensive than anything google
has available.

>google groups may not be how some people like it but it doesnt mean
>its not 'real'.


It's an abomination. It is a phenomenally crude and slow interface.
It is run by idiots who make no attempt to control abusive users.
Google has done more to damage Usenet than anything else out there,
even AOL's now-discontinued fiasco.

>what you're trying to say by a 'real' server is a PAID newsservice
>provider
>and as you pay more, you get more (usually).


No, most ISPs provide NNTP service as part of your basic fee for internet
service. There is no reason to pay for a commercial NNTP provider unless
you are going to be reading news from a wide variety of different locations.

>i dont know a newsreader software that has these 'thousands' of
>features and options,
>more like a dozen features.


I am using rn, and have been for about twenty years now. It has regular
expressions for message selection, which is a couple thousand features
right there. It's about as crude as a newsreader gets, and it's a hell
of a lot more powerful than google.
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Melinda wrote:
> "SN" > wrote in message
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>> seems (TEA) works
>> if you guys want to chime in as to usefulness of posting with a
>> prefixed subject
>> -may be better visible between spams
>> -unknowing posters may not know
>>

>
> If it's any help, I use Outlook express, access the group through my ISP,
> and there's a spot in Expess where I can put in words that, if in a post,
> will block the post. I'm not sure whether my ISP just has incredibly good
> spam blockers or whether it's my list of spam words (or both), but I have
> not received any of the adult spams (npot a single one), the only ones I get
> (if you term them spam) are the drive-by teashop posters.
>
> I'm sure there must be a Firefox newsgroup reader out there someplace,


Yup. It's called Thunderbird.

> I
> jsut haven't bothered to look since Express is filling my requirements right
> now.


Best of luck in that.

I see you've found the switch to put your added text in the right place.
My compliments on that. Outhouse comes with it defaulted wrong, and
most people never change it.


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SN wrote:
> well, technically it is a 'real' news reader and server, yes, web
> based, dumbed down, simplified.


I think the adjective you're looking for is "stupidified".

> since it manages to do the job of uuencoding, uudecoding, posting,
> processing messages using the usenet nntp protocols, messages
> propagate to other news servers, therefore it is able to communicate
> using the required standards.


Nobody is really dising Google, but there are better ways of accessing
Usenet, and if you don't like Google then you should look them up,
rather than trying to bend Usenet behavior to suit Google.

> more than 10 years ago there was almost no newsgroup spam,


<chuckle>

Usenet is where spam got started. It was only later that people, oh, I
mean spammers, since spammers aren't really people, got the idea of
mining Usenet for email addresses and using broadcast email to get free
access to lots of eyeprints.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_&_Siegel

That happened in 1994, and by 1997 (that would be 10 year ago) spam was
still in its infancy. Back at that time I could still complain to the
abuse address for each and every spam message I received.

> so when
> they didnt have enough filtering back then it means they were not
> real ?


10 years ago Google did not exist.

Google Groups was formerly known as DejaNews, and Google acquired them
in 2001.

> google groups may not be how some people like it but it doesnt mean
> its not 'real'.


If you like it then use it. Just don't expect the internet to bend to
your will, or to Google's.

> what you're trying to say by a 'real' server is a PAID newsservice
> provider
> and as you pay more, you get more (usually).


Not at all. I use Brighthouse's news servers, which come with my
subscription to their internet service. OTOH, I do pay for it with my
subscription fee. After all, TANSTAAFL. The one thing that bothers me
about Brighthouse's Usenet feed is that I can't access their servers
outside of their network, so when I'm not at home I'm screwed. This is
really where paid internet services come in handy.

BTW: If you have an ISP that doesn't provide a Usenet feed as part of
your subscription then get a better ISP.

> i dont know a newsreader software that has these 'thousands' of
> features and options,
> more like a dozen features.


True. "Thousands" is an exaggeration, certainly. Same comment applies.


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Dominic T. wrote:
> On Aug 2, 9:37 pm, SN > wrote:
>> i will save my bullshit, store it in a ziploc, and promise to take my
>> meds next time!
>>
>> but would you like to show me where this "bullshit" is at?
>>
>> google reads&posts messages that propagate to all of usenet?
>> doesnt do files so it doesnt need the uuenc/yenc etc, ok with that. my
>> bad
>>
>> paid server (NH)... most of the spam as here in google groups
>> isp server... most of the spam as well
>> would you like me to compare the list of messages for an exact
>> comparison?
>>
>> free readers,
>> i can count (when im on the meds) but i dont see thousands of features
>> maybe you have the real reader with thousands of features,
>> but since you did not port it to windows i am not able to find/use
>> it!
>>
>> i guess because you cant use news.google.com:119 you are very upset!
>>
>> your reply is highly brutal and inane as well,
>> please drink some green tea and relax.

>
> Look, I have precious little time to argue on the Internet about such
> silly stuff.


So don't. Nobody is tying you to your chair and forcing you at gunpoint
to argue with noobs about how great Google groups is(n't).

> I come to RFDT to get away from that mentality that
> pervades most online communication. I made it clear that I stay away
> from these types of posts for exactly this reason, and you were there
> to help illustrate my point quite well.


So why are you still arguing this one?

Why don't you take his advice and drink some green tea and relax. Maybe
a tisane of Chamomile?


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On Aug 7, 12:35 pm, Alan Petrillo > wrote:
> Dominic T. wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 9:37 pm, SN > wrote:
> >> i will save my bullshit, store it in a ziploc, and promise to take my
> >> meds next time!

>
> >> but would you like to show me where this "bullshit" is at?

>
> >> google reads&posts messages that propagate to all of usenet?
> >> doesnt do files so it doesnt need the uuenc/yenc etc, ok with that. my
> >> bad

>
> >> paid server (NH)... most of the spam as here in google groups
> >> isp server... most of the spam as well
> >> would you like me to compare the list of messages for an exact
> >> comparison?

>
> >> free readers,
> >> i can count (when im on the meds) but i dont see thousands of features
> >> maybe you have the real reader with thousands of features,
> >> but since you did not port it to windows i am not able to find/use
> >> it!

>
> >> i guess because you cant use news.google.com:119 you are very upset!

>
> >> your reply is highly brutal and inane as well,
> >> please drink some green tea and relax.

>
> > Look, I have precious little time to argue on the Internet about such
> > silly stuff.

>
> So don't. Nobody is tying you to your chair and forcing you at gunpoint
> to argue with noobs about how great Google groups is(n't).
>
> > I come to RFDT to get away from that mentality that
> > pervades most online communication. I made it clear that I stay away
> > from these types of posts for exactly this reason, and you were there
> > to help illustrate my point quite well.

>
> So why are you still arguing this one?
>
> Why don't you take his advice and drink some green tea and relax. Maybe
> a tisane of Chamomile?
>
> AP


So, you came by 4 days later and decided to offer me that suggestion,
eh? Johnny on the spot there. Ugh, the joys of the Intarwebs. I hate
to say it, but I think my time at RFDT is coming to an end... enjoy
blogging about such amazing topics as Martha Stewart and K-Mart and
trying to sound high-and-mighty on "teh Intartoobz." I'll just go back
to enjoying tea and not obsessing. I am here to offer people a level-
headed view of tea and how to begin and grow in enjoying tea.

I have worked in IT for over 13 years now, and have worked on
classified projects that help keep you safe daily... arguing about a
newsreader and newsgroups is not high on my list. People like you and
SN enjoy that sort of thing, I don't. I simply jumped into this thread
because misinformation was beginning to get out of hand and I wanted
to offer folks who only know of Google Groups a glimpse at what is out
there and options due to the current state of affairs. I knew it was a
mistake (as it always is because everyone is an expert on the
Internet) and it was. Again, thanks for hammering that point home even
further than it already was.

Goodnight.
- Dominic

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> So, you came by 4 days later and decided to offer me that suggestion,
> eh? Johnny on the spot there.


Sorry my turnaround time isn't up to your standards.

> Ugh, the joys of the Intarwebs. I hate
> to say it, but I think my time at RFDT is coming to an end... enjoy
> blogging about such amazing topics as Martha Stewart and K-Mart


Again, sorry if my blog isn't up to date enough for you. You'll note
that it is no more, or less, inane than 99.9% of the other blogs on the
internet. And I, frankly, don't care to live my life in public on the
internet, as many bloggers seem to do.

> ...and
> trying to sound high-and-mighty on "teh Intartoobz."


I didn't go near that subject, DON'T put words in my mouth.

> I'll just go back
> to enjoying tea and not obsessing. I am here to offer people a level-
> headed view of tea and how to begin and grow in enjoying tea.


That sounds like the best idea.

Your opinions on tea are well regarded, and you seem to be able to keep
decent manners when writing about it.

> I have worked in IT for over 13 years now,


I have had a connection to the internet almost continuously since 1983.
Do you even remember the pre-DNS internet?

My best friend has worked in IT for 25 years.

I have never worked in IT myself. I'm not nearly autistic enough. I
spend to much time IRL.

> ...and have worked on
> classified projects that help keep you safe daily...


Oh, how many times have I heard that?

My father in law wrote a piece of the code for Ohio class submarines,
and another piece of the code for Aegis class cruisers. A friend of
mine programs cockpit applications for the Space Shuttle. Another
friend wrote some of the code for the Boeing 757/767 control systems.
And another friend works for a TLA he doesn't talk about. I myself
spent some time in the shooting end US Army Aviation.

Sorry, Dominic. I'm not impressed.

> ...arguing about a
> newsreader and newsgroups is not high on my list. People like you and
> SN enjoy that sort of thing, I don't. I simply jumped into this thread
> because misinformation was beginning to get out of hand and I wanted
> to offer folks who only know of Google Groups a glimpse at what is out
> there and options due to the current state of affairs.


Granted, but you could do it without coming to the edge of verbally
abusing a newbie.

> I knew it was a
> mistake (as it always is because everyone is an expert on the
> Internet) and it was.


I'm an old hand, but I never claimed to be an expert. You know the old
saying, "An 'ex' is a has-been, and a 'spurt' is a drip under pressure."

> Again, thanks for hammering that point home even
> further than it already was.


You're welcome.

And on that note I'm going to let this thread drop. You can have the
last word, Dominic, if you're amind to.


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On Aug 8, 12:36 am, Alan Petrillo > wrote:
> And on that note I'm going to let this thread drop. You can have the
> last word, Dominic, if you're amind to.
>
> AP


Yep, I'm amind to. You have no idea about what you speak, but if it
makes you feel better, go for it. You are nothing to me, this
discussion is nothing to me, your uninformed opinion of what I know
and have experienced is ignorant at best and means nothing to me. I
will not defend myself, I'm tired of this drivel, and it is time for
me to break away from RFDT. It has sadly fallen far away from what it
was, if it ever comes back around I'll be the first to help it back on
track.

Your profile shows that you offer very little in substance or original
content but enjoy arguing and strongly tossing your opinions around as
fact on all manner of issues. Typical Internet style (pre or post
DNS). Please step up in the group and prove me wrong, you can fill my
shoes easily.

- Dominic



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I've had those days. The only reason I stick around is I still learn
a thing or two. I think the newest trend are the posts of the
embedded tea drinkers in China and India. Even there you have to
separate the wheat from the chaff.

Jim

PS You can't go away till you tell us what Boba with KudingCha tastes
like. I'll take your word for it. :-) I'm more into tisanes these
days. I'm very happy with my tea blossoms since I found the right cup
for brewing and drinking.

Dominic T. wrote:
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> me to break away from RFDT. It has sadly fallen far away from what it
> was, if it ever comes back around I'll be the first to help it back on
> track.


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