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(cross-posted from chadao.blogspot.com/)
I happened to find myself in the SF area for a photonics conference (as one so often does), and managed to drop into a few tea spots between wavicles. There seems to be a proliferation of such, similar in style but very different in atmosphere. In case it's useful to anyone, here are a few sententious comments: - Imperial Tea Court, Chinatown and the Ferry Building. I prefer the original location for dimmer, quieter, more retreat-like atmosphere. The new location is separated from the (rather classy) Ferry Building mall by not much more than a partial lattice, and on this nasty January day was reasonably quiet but frigid. Have yet to meet Roy Fong, who seems ever to be in the warehouse or out buying; but Grace is a charming presence. They have a bunch of above-average pots and other useful teaware, though the best pots are NFS. Plenty of tea on offer in both locations, at high prices - generally, however, commensurate with quality. Tastings are a bargain by comparison. Service by elegant young men. (Why so rarely women in this business?) The Ferry Building ITC location has a fair amount of food on offer; most people there seemed to be more dining than drinking. Combined with admittedly pleasant aromas from the center's other food and personal-care vendors, I found this to be somewhat distracting. Personally, were I in that neighborhood, I'd save my caloric quota for Yank Sing, an upscale dim sum house in the heart of the Rincon Center complex. Beyond the HK-class food, there's a kind of waterfall from the atrium ceiling that adds good feng shui or something. I can't speak for their tea, since I'd brought a very nice (code for "wanted it back right away") new Yixing pot and a bag of SRT's cheapest but IMO best-tasting fenghuang dan cong for my host. I was somewhat uncomfortable with the instructional style, which I did not experience directly (being a take-charge kinda guy) but repeatedly witnessed. My impression was that both server/teachers and customers were getting lost in mannered ritual at the expense of the tea. Watching people awkwardly slurp from gaiwans instead of decanting was vicariously embarrassing - nothing wrong with the act, but it was clearly out of character for those partaking. Worse, they seem to use near-boiling water indiscriminately. When I asked for something much cooler for our long jing (a delicate green), I was politely asked what temperature I'd like - a good response, but the wrong place to start. (I just asked for a pot of cold water to mix ad lib.) I'm wondering how many people who start the cha dao here (or in many other places) ever learn that green tea does not taste like spinach? Even many oolongs can't take this treatment. As long as I'm ranting, I'll also complain about the gaiwan we were given, much too large for the amount of leaf it contained. I dropped a broad hint, and was offered another a good 10% smaller. - Red Blossom Tea Company, Chinatown. This tiny, deep shop has just a couple of tasting tables between rows of paraphernalia, with most tea in the back. Pots and gaiwans fairly priced, though most a bit fancy to my taste. Not exactly a secluded experience, right on Grant St., but pleasant and informed service. And the staff seemed able to establish a quiet zone around each table. - Vital T-leaf, two Chinatown locations (head office in Seattle). The main store is a magnet for extroverts, open to Grant St. and with a riotous agglomeration of 20-something passersby enjoying free rounds at the bar with the friendly energy of a post- (winning) game beer crowd. Staff young as well, with Benihana-type cheerful showmanship blending with as much serious information as people seemed able to absorb. A very large range of teas, many flavored (not my cuppa) and flowers/herbs (even a couple types of kuding) in tins and open trays, which may be OK if turnover is high. Many Pu-erhs also on display, including presentation bing and zhuanchas of at least two kg and a 30-yo shu cake for $380. (Latter was plastic-wrapped, so the aroma was inaccessible. Looked authentic, though.) Many pots at fair prices, though again only a couple I'd want. My sense was that the staff was entirely prepared for a much more serious tasting experience during times quieter than a Saturday afternoon. A couple of blocks uphill is a more intimate satellite shop, with a representative stock (including the $380 shu bing) and less riotous atmosphere. - Teance, Berkeley. Best for last. This was supposed to be the penultimate scene of a day's nostalgia tour of Berkeley, following a walk around the Vine St. Gourmet Ghetto-as-was (where I used to buy coffee in his one shop from Mr. Peet) and before trooping up Grizzly Peak for a characteristically stunning sunset. A careful drive along Solano failed to produce this establishment, even as an emergency call to Joe K. confirmed the location. Fortunately, my friend's Blackberry was web-enabled, so we were able to discover that they had just moved down to the Flats. The unprepossessing neighborhood prompted speculation about marketing mistakes, but their new (of two months) home proved to be in the middle of a cluster of assorted shops and restaurants fine enough to qualify the whole as a Destination. Teance offers a stylishly sparse ambience reminiscent of, but more elegant than, the late Wild Lily Tea Room. (In fact, it has much the pleasant ambiance of NYC's Tea Gallery.) The front is an open shop, with an appropriate number of teas and some nice teaware of diverse styles - the celadon (per former establishment name) perhaps the best on offer; three exceptional Yixings were unfortunately NFS. The tasting area is a single circle of about a dozen seats in several nicely designed stations, so as to be serviceable by one or several people. Tasting are again a bargain for the quality. Our server, one Darius (I forbore the bibulous pun about one man's Mede being another's Persian) seemed quite well informed about the qualities of his stock, and helped us to a selection of interesting oolongs. Aware that we were not ignorant of technique, he also offered a broad range of pots and gaiwans, as well as mixing and serving gear. I was concerned at how empty the place was, given a sunny-Sunday mob in the environs. Perhaps they do mostly a take-out business. At least until it's (re-)discovered, though, I'd make it a top choice for area visitors with transportation. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ On a final note, I stopped into a number of Asian grocery stores, apothecaries and tchachke shops in the ongoing quest for cheap'n'cheerful shu Pu-erh to bring to Chinese restaurants. Every such place I looked had one, and only one, cheap bing on display: a 340g "black tea" from Hung Chong Tai in HK, of which maker Samarkand has written on RFDT: groups.google.com/group/rec.food.drink.tea/msg/3a2c4b18381e83ac. Is this a conspiracy? I did finally do the experiment of asking a back-alley TCM outfit for something better, but that's another story. DM |
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Hi, DM,
I actually live in Berkeley and I guess I have to disagree with you about Teance and also, Vital-tea. It was most likely a fluke that you actually got someone knowegable to work with you in Teance. I've been in a dozen times since they moved from their previous shop in Albany and have never once had a question answered harvest, source, or even the ability to actually see or smell the tea that is in all those very over-priced bags. Their selection is so limited and the teaware, although lovely is outrageously high. While searching locally for a Big Red Robe or Oriental Beauty, they carried neither. They had one Dan Cong that was stale and as of last week, it was impossible to buy any one part of a Gong Fu service separately. And, well, the place is empty because there are better tea establishments in the area. ITC has a lovely tasting room in Berkeley ( all women staff BTW) with a wonderful selection of very fine teas on Shattuck and Far Leaves on College, a much better selection than Teance at more reasonable prices, although they, too, are primarily pre-packaged. You are right about the lack of pu-erh. One shop does carry pu-erh in limited selection in Oakland Chinatown on the corner of 9th and Broadway. However, it's hit or miss. They do have a broad selection of oolongs and there is a new little shop "Golden Teahouse" across the street. Vital-teas in SF Chinatown keeps all their teas in glass jars exposed to a lot of florescent light.They are expensive beyond compare in the Bay Area and like much else on Grant Avenue are really in the business of hustling tourists. Red Blossom is owned by a brother and sister team who are third generation in the tea and herb business. Their father owned the shop in previous incarnation and I bought my Chinese patent medicines and herbs there for many years.Their teas are kept very well, purchased from specialized farms and top notch. They really never charge for a tasting and are very accomodating in explaining teas to the novice. As for the boiling water, it seems to be the going thing in Chinatown, particularly. But, there is hardly a moment when "just looking" tourists are not asking for lychee or jasmine and really don't want to buy much else when you can get 3 tee shirts for $10.00 or your name on a chop. Red Blossom, ITC and Samovar (Castro and downtown -Yerba Buena) all over scheduled poresentations and classes for the more than curious. Everything in the Bay Area is costly, no doubt about it. But, some of these shops really work at keeping their quality up and their teas accessible. Email me next time you're in town and perhaps we can go tasting or have a really great dim sum in a less fancy, but more authentic Oakland Chinatown restaurant where the Bo-Lay is pretty good. Shen On Jan 29, 8:28 pm, DogMa > wrote: > (cross-posted from chadao.blogspot.com/) > > I happened to find myself in the SF area for a photonics conference (as > one so often does), and managed to drop into a few tea spots between > wavicles. There seems to be a proliferation of such, similar in style > but very different in atmosphere. In case it's useful to anyone, here > are a few sententious comments: > > - Imperial Tea Court, Chinatown and the Ferry Building. > I prefer the original location for dimmer, quieter, more retreat-like > atmosphere. The new location is separated from the (rather classy) Ferry > Building mall by not much more than a partial lattice, and on this nasty > January day was reasonably quiet but frigid. Have yet to meet Roy Fong, > who seems ever to be in the warehouse or out buying; but Grace is a > charming presence. They have a bunch of above-average pots and other > useful teaware, though the best pots are NFS. Plenty of tea on offer in > both locations, at high prices - generally, however, commensurate with > quality. Tastings are a bargain by comparison. Service by elegant young > men. (Why so rarely women in this business?) > > The Ferry Building ITC location has a fair amount of food on offer; most > people there seemed to be more dining than drinking. Combined with > admittedly pleasant aromas from the center's other food and > personal-care vendors, I found this to be somewhat distracting. > Personally, were I in that neighborhood, I'd save my caloric quota for > Yank Sing, an upscale dim sum house in the heart of the Rincon Center > complex. Beyond the HK-class food, there's a kind of waterfall from the > atrium ceiling that adds good feng shui or something. I can't speak for > their tea, since I'd brought a very nice (code for "wanted it back right > away") new Yixing pot and a bag of SRT's cheapest but IMO best-tasting > fenghuang dan cong for my host. > > I was somewhat uncomfortable with the instructional style, which I did > not experience directly (being a take-charge kinda guy) but repeatedly > witnessed. My impression was that both server/teachers and customers > were getting lost in mannered ritual at the expense of the tea. Watching > people awkwardly slurp from gaiwans instead of decanting was vicariously > embarrassing - nothing wrong with the act, but it was clearly out of > character for those partaking. Worse, they seem to use near-boiling > water indiscriminately. When I asked for something much cooler for our > long jing (a delicate green), I was politely asked what temperature I'd > like - a good response, but the wrong place to start. (I just asked for > a pot of cold water to mix ad lib.) I'm wondering how many people who > start the cha dao here (or in many other places) ever learn that green > tea does not taste like spinach? Even many oolongs can't take this > treatment. As long as I'm ranting, I'll also complain about the gaiwan > we were given, much too large for the amount of leaf it contained. I > dropped a broad hint, and was offered another a good 10% smaller. > > - Red Blossom Tea Company, Chinatown. > This tiny, deep shop has just a couple of tasting tables between rows of > paraphernalia, with most tea in the back. Pots and gaiwans fairly > priced, though most a bit fancy to my taste. Not exactly a secluded > experience, right on Grant St., but pleasant and informed service. And > the staff seemed able to establish a quiet zone around each table. > > - Vital T-leaf, two Chinatown locations (head office in Seattle). > The main store is a magnet for extroverts, open to Grant St. and with a > riotous agglomeration of 20-something passersby enjoying free rounds at > the bar with the friendly energy of a post- (winning) game beer crowd. > Staff young as well, with Benihana-type cheerful showmanship blending > with as much serious information as people seemed able to absorb. A very > large range of teas, many flavored (not my cuppa) and flowers/herbs > (even a couple types of kuding) in tins and open trays, which may be OK > if turnover is high. Many Pu-erhs also on display, including > presentation bing and zhuanchas of at least two kg and a 30-yo shu cake > for $380. (Latter was plastic-wrapped, so the aroma was inaccessible. > Looked authentic, though.) Many pots at fair prices, though again only a > couple I'd want. My sense was that the staff was entirely prepared for a > much more serious tasting experience during times quieter than a > Saturday afternoon. > > A couple of blocks uphill is a more intimate satellite shop, with a > representative stock (including the $380 shu bing) and less riotous > atmosphere. > > - Teance, Berkeley. Best for last. > This was supposed to be the penultimate scene of a day's nostalgia tour > of Berkeley, following a walk around the Vine St. Gourmet Ghetto-as-was > (where I used to buy coffee in his one shop from Mr. Peet) and before > trooping up Grizzly Peak for a characteristically stunning sunset. A > careful drive along Solano failed to produce this establishment, even as > an emergency call to Joe K. confirmed the location. Fortunately, my > friend's Blackberry was web-enabled, so we were able to discover that > they had just moved down to the Flats. The unprepossessing neighborhood > prompted speculation about marketing mistakes, but their new (of two > months) home proved to be in the middle of a cluster of assorted shops > and restaurants fine enough to qualify the whole as a Destination. > > Teance offers a stylishly sparse ambience reminiscent of, but more > elegant than, the late Wild Lily Tea Room. (In fact, it has much the > pleasant ambiance of NYC's Tea Gallery.) The front is an open shop, with > an appropriate number of teas and some nice teaware of diverse styles - > the celadon (per former establishment name) perhaps the best on offer; > three exceptional Yixings were unfortunately NFS. > > The tasting area is a single circle of about a dozen seats in several > nicely designed stations, so as to be serviceable by one or several > people. Tasting are again a bargain for the quality. Our server, one > Darius (I forbore the bibulous pun about one man's Mede being another's > Persian) seemed quite well informed about the qualities of his stock, > and helped us to a selection of interesting oolongs. Aware that we were > not ignorant of technique, he also offered a broad range of pots and > gaiwans, as well as mixing and serving gear. > > I was concerned at how empty the place was, given a sunny-Sunday mob in > the environs. Perhaps they do mostly a take-out business. At least until > it's (re-)discovered, though, I'd make it a top choice for area visitors > with transportation. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > On a final note, I stopped into a number of Asian grocery stores, > apothecaries and tchachke shops in the ongoing quest for > cheap'n'cheerful shu Pu-erh to bring to Chinese restaurants. Every such > place I looked had one, and only one, cheap bing on display: a 340g > "black tea" from Hung Chong Tai in HK, of which maker Samarkand has > written on RFDT: > groups.google.com/group/rec.food.drink.tea/msg/3a2c4b18381e83ac. Is this > a conspiracy? I did finally do the experiment of asking a back-alley TCM > outfit for something better, but that's another story. > > DM |
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My local tea shoppe holds tea tastings after hours on occasions.
People simply compare notes. If you really like something you come back the next day during business hours. Nothing worse than a dog and pony followed by which one you buy? I don't attend the tastings at my tea shoppe. It's not important anymore I like or dislike the taste. Sooner or later I'll end up changing my mind over the long haul. I rather have it on my shelf than not. Today I'll be adding Java Batavia and South Korea King Green and get a cup of the new Emperor Green Sencha to go. Jim PS Great post DogMa. You made me feel your pain ;-). I axed it just to make my point on tea tastings. I enjoy tea in public but just to relax in the moment. I'm surprised you couldn't find CNNP shu bing somewhere. The Hung Chong Tai taste different than the Yunnan. Danny suggested it might be from Vietnam but factory unknown. On Jan 29, 9:28 pm, DogMa > wrote: > (cross-posted from chadao.blogspot.com/) > I was somewhat uncomfortable with the instructional style, which I did > not experience directly (being a take-charge kinda guy) but repeatedly > witnessed. My impression was that both server/teachers and customers > were getting lost in mannered ritual at the expense of the tea. Watching > people awkwardly slurp from gaiwans instead of decanting was vicariously > embarrassing - nothing wrong with the act, but it was clearly out of > character for those partaking. > On a final note, I stopped into a number of Asian grocery stores, > apothecaries and tchachke shops in the ongoing quest for > cheap'n'cheerful shu Pu-erh to bring to Chinese restaurants. Every such > place I looked had one, and only one, cheap bing on display: a 340g > "black tea" from Hung Chong Tai in HK, of which maker Samarkand has > written on RFDT: > groups.google.com/group/rec.food.drink.tea/msg/3a2c4b18381e83ac. Is this > a conspiracy? I did finally do the experiment of asking a back-alley TCM > outfit for something better, but that's another story. > > DM |
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"Shen" > wrote in message ups.com... > ITC has a lovely tasting room in Berkeley ( all women staff BTW) with > a wonderful selection of very fine teas on Shattuck and Far Leaves on > College, I still prefer the old Chinatown location, but I have to agree with Shen - Shattuck location is very nice. Sasha. |
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Great posts both, thank you.
Shen wrote: > or your name on a chop. You can't just leave it like that without providing more details. I have visions of pork products with custom copperplate lettering. Please illuminate me. Toodlepip, Hobbes |
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On Jan 31, 2:02 am, "HobbesOxon" > wrote:
> Great posts both, thank you. > > Shen wrote: > > or your name on a chop. > > You can't just leave it like that without providing more details. I > have visions of pork products with custom copperplate lettering. > Please illuminate me. > > Toodlepip, > > Hobbes Forgive me if I have used the incorrect, generic word for the stone, engraved block with which you can stamp you name or, in this case, "football" team (tourists - this time of the year), in Chinese characters. The tourist shops on Grant Avenue in Chinatown San Francisco sell them. The notion of custom plated bacon, though is quite intertesting and may be a good idea for marketing the stuff in Nieman Marcus's Christmas catalog! Shen |
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"HobbesOxon" > wrote in message oups.com... > Great posts both, thank you. > > Shen wrote: >> or your name on a chop. > > You can't just leave it like that without providing more details. I > have visions of pork products with custom copperplate lettering. > Please illuminate me. > > > Toodlepip, > > Hobbes > All over the world in Chinatowns you can have your name in Chinese carved on a stone or bone "chop" to be used as a personal seal. See http://www.char4u.com/index.php?ref=...Mkggo dFTyBQQ for example. Sasha. |
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