Hello All!

I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder if
the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know people in the US who
insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the form of two pieces
2x1x0.5 inches and for about an hour I thought it was wonderful :-)

When I was a child during WWII a canned fish from South Africa called
snoek was sold for a little while. I believe snoek is an other name for
escolar and I can understand why it was no great success.

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On Apr 24, 10:48*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> I know I cannot *eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder if
> the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know people in the US who
> insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the form of two pieces
> 2x1x0.5 inches and for about an hour I thought it was wonderful :-)

Bringing this on-topic: I see to its credit that Chez Papa Bistrot (on
Potrero Hill) has ceased making Escolar an entree on its prix fixe
menu.

Noted patriarchy-blamer Jill Posey-Smith wrote the definitive article
on Escolar-eating for the St. Louis altweekly some years ago.

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:48 am, "James Silverton" >
> wrote:
>
>>Hello All!
>>
>>I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder if
>>the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know people in the US who
>>insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the form of two pieces
>>2x1x0.5 inches and for about an hour I thought it was wonderful :-)
>
>
> Bringing this on-topic: I see to its credit that Chez Papa Bistrot (on
> Potrero Hill) has ceased making Escolar an entree on its prix fixe
> menu.
>
> Noted patriarchy-blamer Jill Posey-Smith wrote the definitive article
> on Escolar-eating for the St. Louis altweekly some years ago.

I've noted a wider use of escolar/oilfish in the US. More and more sushi
bars are carrying it. No one in my family seems to suffer any ill effects
from eating it, even in large amounts. I hope it does not go away any time
soon.

--
Dan

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:

> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...

I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
And it was very short lived.

Don't be such a pussy.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>
>
>>I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>
>
> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
> And it was very short lived.
>
> Don't be such a pussy.

Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may not be
able to handle any at all.

--
Dan

Dan wrote on Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:38:35 -0400:

>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>
>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and only
>> on the second night did I notice anything unusual
>> down there. And it was very short lived.
>>
>> Don't be such a pussy.

> Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may
> not be able to handle any at all.

Since Squirts has been blocked for obvious reasons, I only see it
sometimes in quotes. I wonder why the Japanese government agrees with
me?

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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James Silverton wrote:
>
> Dan wrote on Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:38:35 -0400:
>
> > Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may
> > not be able to handle any at all.
>
> Since Squirts has been blocked for obvious reasons, I only see it
> sometimes in quotes. I wonder why the Japanese government agrees with
> me?

What? They block Sqwertz too?

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>
> > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>
> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
> And it was very short lived.
>
> Don't be such a pussy.
>
> -sw

I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
Is there another common name for it?
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>
>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>> And it was very short lived.
>>
>> Don't be such a pussy.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> Is there another common name for it?


Here's 236,000 hits from a Google search for "escolar fish":

http://tinyurl.com/2f2qcat

AKA the ex lax fish! ;-)

On 2010-04-24 14:38:35 -0700, Dan Logcher said:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>
>>
>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>> And it was very short lived.
>>
>> Don't be such a pussy.

Responding to that I guess people eat all kinds of crap they wouldn't
otherwise. Better to eat pond scum that show "weakness".

> Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may not be
> able to handle any at all.

I like to avoid fish that generally makes a lot of people ill, even if
I don't feel ill. That is, based only on reputation alone, I'll be
glad to ditch it. When vast commercial interests are involved, my
default assumption is that they don't care whether I live or die as
long as I give them money--FIRST.

For that reason I even avoid buying frozen fish from China in the local
Vietnamese store. There's only been a few scares with frozen fish that
were contaminated and filled with **** and poison by the time they got
to the US. In the meantime, I'll assume that means ALL of them.

I'm a happy, healthy pussy, I suppose. I wish I could "man up" and
start eating poop straight out of dog's butt, but can't seem to find
the "courage" for it. I kinda think that's one whole element of
sushi-diner's. Thems that ain't afeared of eating RAW FISH! :-)
--
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On 2010-04-24 17:32:28 -0700, Omelet said:

> In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>
>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>> And it was very short lived.
>>
>> Don't be such a pussy.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> Is there another common name for it?

It's also called "the shits", "the trots", and "the Hershey squirts".
I think that last one is vulgar frankly, but in the interest of
completeness...
--
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"Paco" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> In article >,
>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>>
>>> > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>>
>>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>>> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>>> And it was very short lived.
>>>
>>> Don't be such a pussy.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
>> Is there another common name for it?
>
>
> Here's 236,000 hits from a Google search for "escolar fish":
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2f2qcat
>
> AKA the ex lax fish! ;-)

Oops! Copied the url from the wrong page.

http://tinyurl.com/2eyugxy

The first tinyurl was for something like 44 million hits for just escolar.

Omelet > wrote:
> Sqwertz > wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
> >
> > > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
> >
> > I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
> > only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
> > And it was very short lived.
> >
> > Don't be such a pussy.

> I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> Is there another common name for it?

Oilfish (Ruvettus pretiosus).

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In article >,
"Paco" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
> >>
> >> > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
> >>
> >> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
> >> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
> >> And it was very short lived.
> >>
> >> Don't be such a pussy.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> > Is there another common name for it?
>
>
> Here's 236,000 hits from a Google search for "escolar fish":
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2f2qcat
>
> AKA the ex lax fish! ;-)

Ok, guess I'll give it a "pass" if I ever see it for sale, thanks.<g>
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In article <2010042418124329147-somewhere@sunnycalif>,
Gerry > wrote:

> On 2010-04-24 17:32:28 -0700, Omelet said:
>
> > In article >,
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
> >>
> >>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
> >>
> >> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
> >> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
> >> And it was very short lived.
> >>
> >> Don't be such a pussy.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> > Is there another common name for it?
>
> It's also called "the shits", "the trots", and "the Hershey squirts".
> I think that last one is vulgar frankly, but in the interest of
> completeness...

Thanks... I think. ;-)
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In article >,
Nick Cramer > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
> > >
> > > I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
> > > only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
> > > And it was very short lived.
> > >
> > > Don't be such a pussy.
>
> > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> > Is there another common name for it?
>
> Oilfish (Ruvettus pretiosus).

Thanks.

So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
similar side effect to Olestra?

I mean really?

No thanks...
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On 2010-04-24 18:50:39 -0700, Omelet said:

> In article >,
> So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
> similar side effect to Olestra?
>
> I mean really?

It tastes good--or so it's said. I wouldn't know. The first time I
was offered it under one of it's camoflage names , "white tun" if
memory serves, I had already heard about it's bonus effects.

"You want some white tuna?"
"Isn't that escolar?", I asked.
"Yeah" the sushi chef said.
"Is it good?"
"A lot of people like it", he said.
"How about you. Do you eat it?"
"No," he said looking away. "No I wouldn't eat it."
"I think I'll have the saba."
"Okay."

I've had a similar conversation with three chefs like that. I didn't
know any of theese guys when these chats took place. As for my regular
sushi chefs over the years, some 5 or 6, not one has ever offered it
for sale that I know of; not to me or to others that I'm aware of. Not
one. In all candor, that's the main reason I avoid it.
--
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"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Paco" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > In article >,
>> > Sqwertz > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>> >>
>> >> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>> >> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>> >> And it was very short lived.
>> >>
>> >> Don't be such a pussy.
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >
>> > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
>> > Is there another common name for it?
>>
>>
>> Here's 236,000 hits from a Google search for "escolar fish":
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2f2qcat
>>
>> AKA the ex lax fish! ;-)
>
> Ok, guess I'll give it a "pass" if I ever see it for sale, thanks.<g>


Yeah. Steve can have my share!

Omelet > wrote:
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
> > Omelet > wrote:
> > > [ . . . ]
> > > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for
> > > it. Is there another common name for it?
> >
> > Oilfish (Ruvettus pretiosus).
>
> Thanks.
>
> So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
> similar side effect to Olestra?

I have no idea. Supposedly it tastes good. I love mackerel, but won't try
escolar!

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Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Nick Cramer > wrote:
>
>
>>Omelet > wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>>>
>>>>I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>>>>only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>>>>And it was very short lived.
>>>>
>>>>Don't be such a pussy.
>>
>>>I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
>>>Is there another common name for it?
>>
>>Oilfish (Ruvettus pretiosus).
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
> similar side effect to Olestra?
>
> I mean really?
>
> No thanks...

It doesn't effect me and the taste and texture are fantastic!
Like super hamachi. I've been eating it for years and never had
any ill effects. Why ban it if its only a problem for some? Or wait,
I guess we should ban salt, smoking, and swearing too. Bad bad bad!

--
Dan

On Apr 24, 2:38�pm, Dan Logcher > wrote:

> Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may not be
> able to handle any at all.

A favorite restaurant of mine sometimes offers Walu - which
I understand is escolar. I love it and it doesn't bother me.
YMMV

KevinS > wrote:

>On Apr 24, 2:38�pm, Dan Logcher > wrote:

>> Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may not be
>> able to handle any at all.

>A favorite restaurant of mine sometimes offers Walu - which
>I understand is escolar. I love it and it doesn't bother me.

Are you in Hawaii?

Fishbase lists _ruvettus pretiosus_ as one of the species commonly
called walu, but only in Hawaii.

(It also lists a bunch of additional species that might be
called escolar, whereas this seems to be the predominant species
that is called oilfish.)


Steve

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:45:17 -0400, James Silverton wrote:

> Dan wrote on Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:38:35 -0400:
>
>>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>>
>>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and only
>>> on the second night did I notice anything unusual
>>> down there. And it was very short lived.
>>>
>>> Don't be such a pussy.
>
>> Every person is different.. some people's digestive system may
>> not be able to handle any at all.
>
> Since Squirts has been blocked for obvious reasons, I only see it
> sometimes in quotes. I wonder why the Japanese government agrees with
> me?

IOW: You can't handle Jilla nd I always "picking on you" for you
being a total ignoramous with lousy logic skills.

Pussy!

-sw

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:11:20 -0700, Gerry wrote:

> On 2010-04-24 14:38:35 -0700, Dan Logcher said:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:26 -0400, James Silverton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences...
>>>
>>> I had two 6oz fillets on (1 each on two consecutive nights), and
>>> only on the second night did I notice anything unusual down there.
>>> And it was very short lived.
>>>
>>> Don't be such a pussy.
>
> Responding to that I guess people eat all kinds of crap they wouldn't
> otherwise. Better to eat pond scum that show "weakness".

It's a perfectly edible fish. I tried after hearing several raves
about this great "pond scum". So I tried it twice. Nothing bad
happened. I didn't eat it to prove any sort of point; I never even
mentioned it to anybody until now, butt****er.

It's people like you and James that perpetuate foods' bad
reputations. You ain't going to stop me.

-sw

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:32:28 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> Is there another common name for it?

Not at Central Market, which is the only place that carries it
seasonally.

I wish more people would get the shits so the price would go down.

-sw

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:47:30 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> Ok, guess I'll give it a "pass" if I ever see it for sale, thanks.<g>

And another one bites the dust without even trying it.

Fine by me.

-sw

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:12:43 -0700, Gerry wrote:

> It's also called "the shits", "the trots", and "the Hershey squirts".
> I think that last one is vulgar frankly, but in the interest of
> completeness...

Maybe after you try it, then you'll be equipped to remark on the
fish and it's effects. Until then you're just making more of an
ignorant, pompous ass of yourself.

-sw

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 00:05:09 -0400, Dan Logcher wrote:

> It doesn't effect me and the taste and texture are fantastic!
> Like super hamachi. I've been eating it for years and never had
> any ill effects. Why ban it if its only a problem for some? Or wait,
> I guess we should ban salt, smoking, and swearing too. Bad bad bad!

Thank you.

Don't forget to add cilantro, lamb, and gefilte to the list.

Hmm.. Gefilte... something I've never had. Is Manachewitz brand any
good? It's the only one I see out there.

-sw

In article <201004241908315821-somewhere@sunnycalif>,
Gerry > wrote:

> On 2010-04-24 18:50:39 -0700, Omelet said:
>
> > In article >,
> > So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
> > similar side effect to Olestra?
> >
> > I mean really?
>
> It tastes good--or so it's said. I wouldn't know. The first time I
> was offered it under one of it's camoflage names , "white tun" if
> memory serves, I had already heard about it's bonus effects.
>
> "You want some white tuna?"
> "Isn't that escolar?", I asked.
> "Yeah" the sushi chef said.
> "Is it good?"
> "A lot of people like it", he said.
> "How about you. Do you eat it?"
> "No," he said looking away. "No I wouldn't eat it."
> "I think I'll have the saba."
> "Okay."
>
> I've had a similar conversation with three chefs like that. I didn't
> know any of theese guys when these chats took place. As for my regular
> sushi chefs over the years, some 5 or 6, not one has ever offered it
> for sale that I know of; not to me or to others that I'm aware of. Not
> one. In all candor, that's the main reason I avoid it.

All the more reason for me to not try it. There are too many other
options. <g>
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In article >,
Nick Cramer > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
> > Nick Cramer > wrote:
> > > Omelet > wrote:
> > > > [ . . . ]
> > > > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for
> > > > it. Is there another common name for it?
> > >
> > > Oilfish (Ruvettus pretiosus).
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
> > similar side effect to Olestra?
>
> I have no idea. Supposedly it tastes good. I love mackerel, but won't try
> escolar!
>
> --
> Nick

Thanks!

Just let the poor things live in infamy. <g>
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In article >,
Dan Logcher > wrote:

> > So tell me, what is the attraction in eating fish flesh that has a
> > similar side effect to Olestra?
> >
> > I mean really?
> >
> > No thanks...
>
> It doesn't effect me and the taste and texture are fantastic!
> Like super hamachi. I've been eating it for years and never had
> any ill effects. Why ban it if its only a problem for some? Or wait,
> I guess we should ban salt, smoking, and swearing too. Bad bad bad!
>
> --
> Dan

I'm not in to banning anything Dan.
Just publish a warning with it. ;-)

Loose bowels I can handle. Nausea and vomiting? No thanks...
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In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:32:28 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > I've never seen nor heard of it and I did do a bit of googling for it.
> > Is there another common name for it?
>
> Not at Central Market, which is the only place that carries it
> seasonally.
>
> I wish more people would get the shits so the price would go down.
>
> -sw

What does it run? (No pun intended <g>)
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In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:47:30 -0500, Omelet wrote:
>
> > Ok, guess I'll give it a "pass" if I ever see it for sale, thanks.<g>
>
> And another one bites the dust without even trying it.
>
> Fine by me.
>
> -sw

It'd have to be really inexpensive for me to dare it!
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On 2010-04-24 22:55:06 -0700, Sqwertz said:

>>>> Don't be such a pussy.
>>
>> Responding to that I guess people eat all kinds of crap they wouldn't
>> otherwise. Better to eat pond scum that show "weakness".
>
> It's a perfectly edible fish. I tried after hearing several raves
> about this great "pond scum". So I tried it twice. Nothing bad
> happened. I didn't eat it to prove any sort of point; I never even
> mentioned it to anybody until now, butt****er.
>
> It's people like you and James that perpetuate foods' bad
> reputations. You ain't going to stop me.

It's just me, James, and the the laws of countries like Japan that
don't consider it a "food product". On the other hand It's people like
you that call others "pussy" and "butt****er" when we won't eat the
stuff you like. That sounds like a tedious dinner party, ne?

How about we eat what we want, you eat what you want and then you carp
about it?
--
Dogmatism kills jazz. Iconoclasm kills rock. Rock dulls scissors.

On 2010-04-24 23:00:22 -0700, Sqwertz said:

> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:12:43 -0700, Gerry wrote:
>
>> It's also called "the shits", "the trots", and "the Hershey squirts".
>> I think that last one is vulgar frankly, but in the interest of
>> completeness...
>
> Maybe after you try it, then you'll be equipped to remark on the
> fish and it's effects. Until then you're just making more of an
> ignorant, pompous ass of yourself.

If the chef won't eat it, I won't eat it. That's information I can use.

"A guy named Sqwertz says he didn't get the shits when he ate it."
That's not what I call a useful tip.
--
Dogmatism kills jazz. Iconoclasm kills rock. Rock dulls scissors.

sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
> Hello All!
>
> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder if
> the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know people in the US who
> insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the form of two pieces
> 2x1x0.5 inches and for about an hour I thought it was wonderful :-)
>
> When I was a child during WWII a canned fish from South Africa called
> snoek was sold for a little while. I believe snoek is an other name for
> escolar and I can understand why it was no great success.
>

I noticed yesterday that we were again entering into the discussion of
Escolar and that in itself isn't a bad thing. But, then this morning I come
to check emails and after months of quiet, there are now 34 emails
responding. Wow I thought for about half a moment until I looked at the
responders who rarely comment in a.f.s and had a thought.

Sure enough, the original post was cross-posted to rec.food.cooking, where
467 pieces were posted since yesterday. Enough said. I try not to cross-post
nor to perpetuate a thread which is cross-posted. I do not filter out
posters, like you do James. If you don't like certain posters, you probably
shouldn't invite them home to play.

OT: I like Escolar and suffer nothing from eating it and my wife likewise
enjoys it without consequence. That is to the extent it is ever properly
identified, which usually it isn't. I go by looks, taste & texture and might
be wrong after that. Super White Tuna is the only way I've ever seen it on
the menu board.
--
Wilson 44.69, -67.3

Wilson wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:26:48 -0400:

> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
>> Hello All!
>>
>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder
>> if the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know
>> people in the US who insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the
>> form of two pieces 2x1x0.5 inches and for about an
>> hour I thought it was wonderful :-)
>>
>> When I was a child during WWII a canned fish from South
>> Africa called snoek was sold for a little while. I believe
>> snoek is an other name for escolar and I can understand why
>> it was no great success.
>>
> I noticed yesterday that we were again entering into the
> discussion of Escolar and that in itself isn't a bad thing.
> But, then this morning I come to check emails and after months
> of quiet, there are now 34 emails responding. Wow I thought
> for about half a moment until I looked at the responders who
> rarely comment in a.f.s and had a thought.

> Sure enough, the original post was cross-posted to
> rec.food.cooking, where 467 pieces were posted since
> yesterday. Enough said. I try not to cross-post nor to
> perpetuate a thread which is cross-posted. I do not filter out
> posters, like you do James. If you don't like certain posters,
> you probably shouldn't invite them home to play.

The size of the response was a little surprising but interesting. Many
people claim, and I believe practically all of them, that they can eat
escolar with impunity. However, I would think that the rules of a
fish-eating country like Japan do indicate that a large number of people
are ill-advised to eat the stuff.
I was just interested in whether the Japanese had changed their minds
and, as far as I can tell, they have not.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
> Wilson wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:26:48 -0400:
>
>> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
>>> Hello All!
>>>
>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder
>>> if the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know
>>> people in the US who insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the
>>> form of two pieces 2x1x0.5 inches and for about an
>>> hour I thought it was wonderful :-)
>>>
>>> When I was a child during WWII a canned fish from South
>>> Africa called snoek was sold for a little while. I believe
>>> snoek is an other name for escolar and I can understand why
>>> it was no great success.
>>>
>> I noticed yesterday that we were again entering into the
>> discussion of Escolar and that in itself isn't a bad thing.
>> But, then this morning I come to check emails and after months
>> of quiet, there are now 34 emails responding. Wow I thought
>> for about half a moment until I looked at the responders who
>> rarely comment in a.f.s and had a thought.
>
>> Sure enough, the original post was cross-posted to
>> rec.food.cooking, where 467 pieces were posted since
>> yesterday. Enough said. I try not to cross-post nor to
>> perpetuate a thread which is cross-posted. I do not filter out
>> posters, like you do James. If you don't like certain posters,
>> you probably shouldn't invite them home to play.
>
> The size of the response was a little surprising but interesting. Many
> people claim, and I believe practically all of them, that they can eat
> escolar with impunity. However, I would think that the rules of a
> fish-eating country like Japan do indicate that a large number of people
> are ill-advised to eat the stuff.
> I was just interested in whether the Japanese had changed their minds
> and, as far as I can tell, they have not.
>
I can't really comment on the logic of the Japanese government or whoever
runs their food regulations, but I do find it curious that it's perfectly
acceptable to eat Fugu which could kill you, but not Escolar. Unless you
consider their penchant to eat everything in the ocean, maybe they are
saving the *best* for last lol. Certainly, they snub their noses at the rest
of the world while hunting whales, pursue the wholesale slaughter of
dolphins, employ mid-ocean drift netting, and insist on the descimation of
Blue Fin tuna etc. While I admire, somewhat, their old culture, I find their
new *progress* self-serving and short-sighted.

--
Wilson 44.69, -67.3

On Apr 24, 9:38�pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:

> Are you in Hawaii?

> Fishbase lists _ruvettus pretiosus_ as one of the species commonly
> called walu, but only in Hawaii.

Like you, I'm in northern CA (Santa Clara County). The restaurant is
in Portland, OR.

Wilson wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:16:29 -0400:

> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
>> Wilson wrote on Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:26:48 -0400:
>>
>>> sometime in the recent past James Silverton posted this:
>>>> Hello All!
>>>>
>>>> I know I cannot eat escolar without dire consequences but I wonder
>>>> if the Japanese government still bans its sale? I know people in
>>>> the US who insist on eating it but I ate it *once* in the form of
>>>> two pieces 2x1x0.5 inches and for
>>>> about an hour I thought it was wonderful :-)
>>>>
>>>> When I was a child during WWII a canned fish from South
>>>> Africa called snoek was sold for a little while. I believe
>>>> snoek is an other name for escolar and I can understand why
>>>> it was no great success.
>>>>
>>> I noticed yesterday that we were again entering into the
>>> discussion of Escolar and that in itself isn't a bad thing.
>>> But, then this morning I come to check emails and after
>>> months of quiet, there are now 34 emails responding. Wow I
>>> thought for about half a moment until I looked at the
>>> responders who rarely comment in a.f.s and had a thought.
>>
>>> Sure enough, the original post was cross-posted to
>>> rec.food.cooking, where 467 pieces were posted since
>>> yesterday. Enough said. I try not to cross-post nor to
>>> perpetuate a thread which is cross-posted. I do not filter
>>> out posters, like you do James. If you don't like certain
>>> posters, you probably shouldn't invite them home to play.
>>
>> The size of the response was a little surprising but
>> interesting. Many people claim, and I believe practically all
>> of them, that they can eat escolar with impunity. However, I
>> would think that the rules of a fish-eating country like
>> Japan do indicate that a large number of people are
>> ill-advised to eat the stuff. I was just interested in
>> whether the Japanese had changed their minds and, as far as I
>> can tell, they have not.
>>
> I can't really comment on the logic of the Japanese government
> or whoever runs their food regulations, but I do find it
> curious that it's perfectly acceptable to eat Fugu which could
> kill you, but not Escolar. Unless you consider their penchant to eat
> everything in the ocean, maybe they are saving the
> *best* for last lol. Certainly, they snub their noses at the
> rest of the world while hunting whales, pursue the wholesale
> slaughter of dolphins, employ mid-ocean drift netting, and
> insist on the descimation of Blue Fin tuna etc. While I
> admire, somewhat, their old culture, I find their new
> *progress* self-serving and short-sighted.

I don't think the comparison with fugu is particularly valid since fugu,
unlike escolar, can be prepared to be relatively safe even if the
remnant toxin produces an interesting tingle in the mouth. Like all
governments, the Japanese are inconsistent and I thoroughly disapprove
of their "scientific" hypocrisy about whales and short-sighted actions
on blue-fin tuna. Well, there aren't going to be many more large tuna
and we'll see what they make of it. Whaling is something else to those
who suspect that whales are marginally self aware.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not