Russ, you may want to reconsider posting questions in this group. Like
Mike has stated, there are online forums and Yahoo groups where people are
very helpful, even if the question has been asked and answered many
times. Why bother doing it here where it's almost a certainty that you
will be attacked and/or criticized?

I am appalled at the mean-spiritedness of some members here.

Jeanne



>Message: 6
>Date: 19 Jan 2007 10:40:50 -0800
>From: "PastorDIC" >
>Subject: Novices and attitiudes WAS Humidity and sourdough
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>
>Maybe the people frustrated with novice questions should remember back
>to when they first started sourdough and remember what problems you had
>for a fresh perspective.
Russ

BJ > wrote:

>I am appalled at the mean-spiritedness of some members here.

I have always found this group helpful and polite. The proportion of
idiots is strikingly low; don't even think I have a killfile for
rec.food.sourdough.
But then, I'm not easily appalled.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

BJ wrote:

> Russ, you may want to reconsider posting questions in this group. Like
> Mike has stated, there are online forums and Yahoo groups where people are
> very helpful, even if the question has been asked and answered many
> times. Why bother doing it here where it's almost a certainty that you
> will be attacked and/or criticized?
>
> I am appalled at the mean-spiritedness of some members here.
>
> Jeanne

Jeanne

I can only speak for two yahoo groups one I help run which is very
informal and friendly and the other which is run like a Stalinist
regime governed by grandmothers who will bitch slap you like a pack of
rabid hyenas if you dare to any emotion other than : -), oh the irony
and hypocrisy is painful.

The two novices that have prompted your post are a little different
Russ is a little annoying in that he doesn't leave one feeling he is
listening. Which brings me to the other point. I have not seen you
answering his questions. What makes you feel qualified or justified in
criticising those that do get involved trying to help him make good
bread.

Then there's Jim H who asks but then responds with sarcasm. If you want
help you have to treat the people you see as helpers with respect and
assume that they have your interest at heart. They won't find much
better help in any forum I have belonged to than here. So how dare you
criticise the ones that give up their time each and every day to help
people make better bread. If you don't like what you read here, the
answer is simple. Don't read here. Russ and Jim H both have that same
choice. This is text that they choose to download and read. They are
not being abused or bullied in anyway whatsoever other than by their
own choosing.

It really gets my goat when people like you who don't do anything more
positive than moan about how bad other people are. You are like some
kind of vulture feeding on the shit of society and when you don't get
enough you shit out some more to dirty the place for your delectation.

You think you are so wise in your mumsy do goodery crap. Yet you
wouldn't know wisdom if it sat on a floating lotus flour and had flames
coming out of it's head.

Sure there are a few grumps on this forum. So what? they are the ones
with all the knowledge that the novices are in such need for. When I
first started reading here I was shocked by the rudeness of it all.
There was a few posters who were more intent on showing off than
helping. But so what? They got bored and went. So what if the wisdom
and compassion that you get here comes in the wrathful variety.
Wrathful compassion is still compassion. Perhaps you might know it as
tough love. Or perhaps like you yourself only are interested in the
criticism. You are very good at it.

Jim

BJ wrote:

> Russ, you may want to reconsider posting questions in this group. Like
> Mike has stated, there are online forums and Yahoo groups where people are
> very helpful, even if the question has been asked and answered many
> times. Why bother doing it here where it's almost a certainty that you
> will be attacked and/or criticized?
>
> I am appalled at the mean-spiritedness of some members here.
>
> Jeanne

Jeanne

I can only speak for two yahoo groups one I help run which is very
informal and friendly and the other which is run like a Stalinist
regime governed by grandmothers who will bitch slap you like a pack of
rabid hyenas if you dare to any emotion other than : -), oh the irony
and hypocrisy is painful.

The two novices that have prompted your post are a little different
Russ is a little annoying in that he doesn't leave one feeling he is
listening. Which brings me to the other point. I have not seen you
answering his questions. What makes you feel qualified or justified in
criticising those that do get involved trying to help him make good
bread.

Then there's Jim H who asks but then responds with sarcasm. If you want
help you have to treat the people you see as helpers with respect and
assume that they have your interest at heart. They won't find much
better help in any forum I have belonged to than here. So how dare you
criticise the ones that give up their time each and every day to help
people make better bread. If you don't like what you read here, the
answer is simple. Don't read here. Russ and Jim H both have that same
choice. This is text that they choose to download and read. They are
not being abused or bullied in anyway whatsoever other than by their
own choosing.

It really gets my goat when people like you who don't do anything more
positive than moan about how bad other people are. You are like some
kind of vulture feeding on the shit of society and when you don't get
enough you shit out some more to dirty the place for your delectation.

You think you are so wise in your mumsy do goodery crap. Yet you
wouldn't know wisdom if it sat on a floating lotus flour and had flames
coming out of it's head.

Sure there are a few grumps on this forum. So what? they are the ones
with all the knowledge that the novices are in such need for. When I
first started reading here I was shocked by the rudeness of it all.
There was a few posters who were more intent on showing off than
helping. But so what? They got bored and went. So what if the wisdom
and compassion that you get here comes in the wrathful variety.
Wrathful compassion is still compassion. Perhaps you might know it as
tough love. Or perhaps you are only interested in the criticism. You
are very good at it.

Jim

"BJ" > wrote in message news:mailman.29.1169239196.18804.rec.food.sourdoug ...

> I am appalled at the mean-spiritedness of some members here.

Yeah? Well, some are appalled at the stoopidity of the noobies.

--
Dicky

P.S. There are no members here. Participation is totally arbitrary.

On Jan 20, 8:54 am, "Dick Adams" > wrote:
>Yeah? Well, some are appalled at the stoopidity of the noobies.
> Dicky
>
> P.S. There are no members here. Participation is totally arbitrary.

If I weren't here to learn, I wouldn't be here. Since I am here to
learn, and then later provide help to people with questions, I am still
here, despite the stoopidity of some of the old timers :-)
Russ

PastorDIC wrote:

> On Jan 20, 8:54 am, "Dick Adams" > wrote:
>>Yeah? Well, some are appalled at the stoopidity of the noobies.
>> Dicky
>>
>> P.S. There are no members here. Participation is totally arbitrary.
>
> If I weren't here to learn, I wouldn't be here. Since I am here to
> learn, and then later provide help to people with questions, I am still
> here, despite the stoopidity of some of the old timers :-)

Perhaps the old timers seem "stoopid" because they care more about
baking sourdough and less about fussing on intangibles like
interpersonal relationships.

B/

Excellent candidate for the kill file . . . .

"TG" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> BJ wrote:
>
>> Russ, you may want to reconsider posting questions in this group. Like
>> Mike has stated, there are online forums and Yahoo groups where people
>> are
>> very helpful, even if the question has been asked and answered many
>> times. Why bother doing it here where it's almost a certainty that you
>> will be attacked and/or criticized?
>>
>> I am appalled at the mean-spiritedness of some members here.
>>
>> Jeanne
>
> Jeanne
>
> I can only speak for two yahoo groups one I help run which is very
> informal and friendly and the other which is run like a Stalinist
> regime governed by grandmothers who will bitch slap you like a pack of
> rabid hyenas if you dare to any emotion other than : -), oh the irony
> and hypocrisy is painful.
>
> The two novices that have prompted your post are a little different
> Russ is a little annoying in that he doesn't leave one feeling he is
> listening. Which brings me to the other point. I have not seen you
> answering his questions. What makes you feel qualified or justified in
> criticising those that do get involved trying to help him make good
> bread.
>
> Then there's Jim H who asks but then responds with sarcasm. If you want
> help you have to treat the people you see as helpers with respect and
> assume that they have your interest at heart. They won't find much
> better help in any forum I have belonged to than here. So how dare you
> criticise the ones that give up their time each and every day to help
> people make better bread. If you don't like what you read here, the
> answer is simple. Don't read here. Russ and Jim H both have that same
> choice. This is text that they choose to download and read. They are
> not being abused or bullied in anyway whatsoever other than by their
> own choosing.
>
> It really gets my goat when people like you who don't do anything more
> positive than moan about how bad other people are. You are like some
> kind of vulture feeding on the shit of society and when you don't get
> enough you shit out some more to dirty the place for your delectation.
>
> You think you are so wise in your mumsy do goodery crap. Yet you
> wouldn't know wisdom if it sat on a floating lotus flour and had flames
> coming out of it's head.
>
> Sure there are a few grumps on this forum. So what? they are the ones
> with all the knowledge that the novices are in such need for. When I
> first started reading here I was shocked by the rudeness of it all.
> There was a few posters who were more intent on showing off than
> helping. But so what? They got bored and went. So what if the wisdom
> and compassion that you get here comes in the wrathful variety.
> Wrathful compassion is still compassion. Perhaps you might know it as
> tough love. Or perhaps like you yourself only are interested in the
> criticism. You are very good at it.
>
> Jim
>

Phil wrote:

> Excellent candidate for the kill file . . . .

oooooh, is that the most constructive thing you can say? Most people
would just delete stuff they don't like. You obviously find the need to
tell all about it. Nice. You really got the moral high ground there
Phil. Funny how these people you hardly ever see suddenly get involved
when things get off topic. It's clear what interests you Phil it's
obviously not being intelligent and constructive.

Jim

"PastorDIC" > wrote in message ps.com...
> ... I am here to learn, and then later provide help to
> people with questions ...

You are a helping kind guy, like the Catcher in the Rye.
Whence we stumble and tumble amongst the whole grain,
you will catch us and steady us. We shall fear no overproof
nor rotteness of dough. Surely our starter crocks shall
runneth over.

> ... I am still here, despite the stoopidity of some of the
> old timers :-)

Definitely you are persistent. That cannot be denied.
You write grammatically and do not misspell*. Among
other things, you can find your caps key. You understand
the difference between the ">" and the ">>". No one
could possibly say that you are all bad.

--
Dicky

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*except for "stoopidity", of course