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soTWEEDLEjourn 29-06-2004 11:20 PM

Hot water bath processing question
 
Hello

I want to make some cantaloupe pickles and googled some great
idea-some origionally from this group!

The question I have is this- the hot water bath processing time
differs from 5 minutes to 15 minutes from when the water comes to a
boil.

I'll be using 250 ml jars (I hate metric- I grew up with Imperial
measurements!) I think this works out to about 8 oz. I just measured
it out...)

Anyway- thanks kindly for any and all advice. I really appreciate your
help.




The Joneses 30-06-2004 12:38 AM

Hot water bath processing question
 
soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:

> Hello
> I want to make some cantaloupe pickles and googled some great
> idea-some origionally from this group!
> The question I have is this- the hot water bath processing time
> differs from 5 minutes to 15 minutes from when the water comes to a
> boil.
> I'll be using 250 ml jars (I hate metric- I grew up with Imperial
> measurements!) I think this works out to about 8 oz. I just measured
> it out...)
> Anyway- thanks kindly for any and all advice. I really appreciate your
> help.


I love metric, much easier to * and /. Fractions slurp. I made
cantaloupe pickles the first year I started. By then I'd made so many
different kinds I never wanted to taste sweet-sour pickles again. I
thought they were marvelously fragrant, but kinda of a pain to make for so
little gain. And they were deathly sweet. We'd rather have cantaloupes
fresh. If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles. I usually cut 5' for half pints. &
add mins as needed for altitude.
Edrena, lost in the clouds at 4,000 feet.





soTWEEDLEjourn 30-06-2004 04:08 PM

Hot water bath processing question
 


The Joneses wrote:

> soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
>
> > Hello
> > I want to make some cantaloupe pickles and googled some great
> > idea-some origionally from this group!
> > The question I have is this- the hot water bath processing time
> > differs from 5 minutes to 15 minutes from when the water comes to a
> > boil.
> > I'll be using 250 ml jars (I hate metric- I grew up with Imperial
> > measurements!) I think this works out to about 8 oz. I just measured
> > it out...)
> > Anyway- thanks kindly for any and all advice. I really appreciate your
> > help.

>
> I love metric, much easier to * and /. Fractions slurp. I made
> cantaloupe pickles the first year I started. By then I'd made so many
> different kinds I never wanted to taste sweet-sour pickles again. I
> thought they were marvelously fragrant, but kinda of a pain to make for so
> little gain. And they were deathly sweet. We'd rather have cantaloupes
> fresh. If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles. I usually cut 5' for half pints. &
> add mins as needed for altitude.
> Edrena, lost in the clouds at 4,000 feet.


I'm not really sure what the altitude is where I am: there are mountains
northwest of here in Collingwood, Ont (for any Ontarians reading this) and
it's part of the system that runs from the Niagara Escarpment and ends at the
Scarborough bluffs in Toronto. In between the limestone escarpment peaks and
then runs underground near Holland Marsh, rises again at Mt. Albert and so on.
It's an up and down rollercoaster ride heading up Hwy 48 (please let an
Ontarian help out with altitude). the 'valleys deep, mountains high'.

Unfortunately it kind of puts me at a loss for knowing how to process. Is
there a safe but happy medium? Would 10 minutes be safe? If it's any kind of
indicator, I don't have problems baking and don't have to adjust baking times
for altitude.

If I had to guess to be safe, I'd put it at 1,000-1,500'.

Thanks for your patience, it's really appreciated!

Annie


The Joneses 30-06-2004 04:56 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:

> The Joneses wrote:
>
> > soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> > If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> > for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles. I usually cut 5' for half pints. &
> > add mins as needed for altitude.
> > Edrena, lost in the clouds at 4,000 feet.

>
> I'm not really sure what the altitude is where I am: there are mountains
> northwest of here in Collingwood, Ont (for any Ontarians reading this) and
> it's part of the system that runs from the Niagara Escarpment and ends at the
> Scarborough bluffs in Toronto. In between the limestone escarpment peaks and
> then runs underground near Holland Marsh, rises again at Mt. Albert and so on.
> It's an up and down rollercoaster ride heading up Hwy 48 (please let an
> Ontarian help out with altitude). the 'valleys deep, mountains high'.
> Unfortunately it kind of puts me at a loss for knowing how to process. Is
> there a safe but happy medium? Would 10 minutes be safe? If it's any kind of
> indicator, I don't have problems baking and don't have to adjust baking times
> for altitude. If I had to guess to be safe, I'd put it at 1,000-1,500'.


Annie didja know your community has a website?
http://www.town.collingwood.on.ca/index.cfm
I didn't see anything in particular, but you could call perhaps the town hall who
has property records and have them research it. Maybe the liberry has something.
But first check the survey for your home. Mine is listed there.
Anyone else can check our FAQ which *used to* have a USA link to check elevations
as well as some recipes.. Here's one I found:

http://erg.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/booklet.../elvadist.html

I did find a Canadian site, but didn't check it out cause it wanted to download a
pile of stuff. Purports to have elevations for Canada.

http://etopo.ca/downloads.html#etopo

Edrena




Melba's Jammin' 30-06-2004 05:04 PM

Hot water bath processing question
 
In article > ,
wrote:

> The Joneses wrote:
>
> > soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:


> I'm not really sure what the altitude is where I am: there are
> mountains northwest of here in Collingwood, Ont (for any Ontarians
> reading this) and it's part of the system that runs from the Niagara
> Escarpment and ends at the Scarborough bluffs in Toronto. In between
> the limestone escarpment peaks and then runs underground near Holland
> Marsh, rises again at Mt. Albert and so on. It's an up and down
> rollercoaster ride heading up Hwy 48 (please let an Ontarian help out
> with altitude). the 'valleys deep, mountains high'.
>
> Unfortunately it kind of puts me at a loss for knowing how to
> process. Is there a safe but happy medium? Would 10 minutes be safe?
> If it's any kind of indicator, I don't have problems baking and don't
> have to adjust baking times for altitude.
>
> If I had to guess to be safe, I'd put it at 1,000-1,500'.
>
> Thanks for your patience, it's really appreciated!


>
> Annie
>

Check this out, Annie:
http://www.agen.ufl.edu/~foodsaf/he205.html
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 6/27/04.


Brian Mailman 30-06-2004 05:23 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
The Joneses wrote:
>
> soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
>
> > The Joneses wrote:
> >
> > > soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> > > If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> > > for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....


Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?

B/

George Shirley 30-06-2004 06:48 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
Brian Mailman wrote:
> The Joneses wrote:
>
>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Joneses wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
>>>> If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
>>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....

>
>
> Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?
>
> B/


I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
metric though. I'm not sure if the Canadians have something like the US
Geological Survey but would bet they do. If so you can get the altitude
for any part of the country. I checked mine with my buddies GPS, I live
at every bit of 29 feet above sea level. I don't think I have to make
allowances in canning for that height. <BSEG>

George


Melba's Jammin' 30-06-2004 08:00 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
In article >, George Shirley
> wrote:

> Brian Mailman wrote:
> > The Joneses wrote:
> >
> >>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The Joneses wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>>> If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> >>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....

> >
> >
> > Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?
> >
> > B/

>
> I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
> metric though. I'm not sure if the Canadians have something like the US
> Geological Survey but would bet they do. If so you can get the altitude
> for any part of the country. I checked mine with my buddies GPS, I live
> at every bit of 29 feet above sea level. I don't think I have to make
> allowances in canning for that height. <BSEG>


You need a snorkel for your adjustments.
>
> George
>

--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 6/27/04.


Brian Mailman 01-07-2004 01:01 AM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
George Shirley wrote:
>
> Brian Mailman wrote:
> > The Joneses wrote:
> >
> >>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The Joneses wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>>> If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> >>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....

> >
> >
> > Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?


> I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
> metric though.


I'm told often around here I'm too subtle :(

B/

George Shirley 01-07-2004 01:16 AM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
Brian Mailman wrote:

> George Shirley wrote:
>
>>Brian Mailman wrote:
>>
>>>The Joneses wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Joneses wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
>>>>>>If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
>>>>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....
>>>
>>>
>>>Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?

>
>
>>I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
>>metric though.

>
>
> I'm told often around here I'm too subtle :(
>
> B/


I actually caught it Brian, just couldn't refuse a chance to take a dig
at the folks who live in our biggest national park. Young folks may not
remember it but the Canadian dollar used to be worth about a dime more
than the US one. IIRC the Canadian dollar was pegged to the British
pound at the time. At that time my Canadian friends used to send me
letters offering to exchange my US dollars for "real" money. All good
fun of course.

George


soTWEEDLEjourn 01-07-2004 02:25 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
> <snipped>
>
> Edrena


Edrena you're fantastic! Thanks for all the nifty links! I didn't know they existed
and I'm sure going to check them out. Many, many thanks for all your help :) :) :)

Annie



soTWEEDLEjourn 01-07-2004 02:28 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 


Brian Mailman wrote:

> The Joneses wrote:
> >
> > soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >
> > > The Joneses wrote:
> > >
> > > > soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> > > > If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> > > > for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....

>
> Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?
>
> B/


Not necessarily~ two items come to mind:

In Winnipeg, Manitoba the Red River Floods up every year from Dakota
because that area of Manitoba is lower in altitude.

The Mississippi anciently ran west to east until an earthquake changed its'
flow. Origionally the lands were lower west to east.

Only two examples but if you look at the configuration of the Great Lakes
as well as Lake Champlain you'll see other examples too.

Annie


soTWEEDLEjourn 01-07-2004 02:33 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 


George Shirley wrote:

> Brian Mailman wrote:
> > The Joneses wrote:
> >
> >>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The Joneses wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>>> If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> >>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....

> >
> >
> > Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?
> >
> > B/

>
> I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
> metric though. I'm not sure if the Canadians have something like the US
> Geological Survey but would bet they do. If so you can get the altitude
> for any part of the country. I checked mine with my buddies GPS, I live
> at every bit of 29 feet above sea level. I don't think I have to make
> allowances in canning for that height. <BSEG>
>
> George


Hi George :)

Yes- our money is lower <g> It's sort of like a peso compared to the
strength of your dollar:
$1.00 US = $1.50 Cdn (more or less. It fluctuates.)

We also have the Geological Survey of Canada. If you're into rock
collecting, you can buy some superb maps.

regards,
Annie


soTWEEDLEjourn 01-07-2004 02:33 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 


Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >, George Shirley
> > wrote:
>
> > Brian Mailman wrote:
> > > The Joneses wrote:
> > >
> > >>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>The Joneses wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> > >>>> If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> > >>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....
> > >
> > >
> > > Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?
> > >
> > > B/

> >
> > I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
> > metric though. I'm not sure if the Canadians have something like the US
> > Geological Survey but would bet they do. If so you can get the altitude
> > for any part of the country. I checked mine with my buddies GPS, I live
> > at every bit of 29 feet above sea level. I don't think I have to make
> > allowances in canning for that height. <BSEG>

>
> You need a snorkel for your adjustments.


LOL!!

>
> >
> > George
> >

> --
> -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 6/27/04.
>



soTWEEDLEjourn 01-07-2004 02:37 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 


George Shirley wrote:

> Brian Mailman wrote:
>
> > George Shirley wrote:
> >
> >>Brian Mailman wrote:
> >>
> >>>The Joneses wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The Joneses wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:
> >>>>>>If you're at or less than 1000' elevation, JOP calls for 10 min.
> >>>>>>for pint jars for cantaloupe pickles....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Isn't Canadian altitude some percentage lower than US altitude?

> >
> >
> >>I think their money is a percentage less, altitude should be the same in
> >>metric though.

> >
> >
> > I'm told often around here I'm too subtle :(
> >
> > B/

>
> I actually caught it Brian, just couldn't refuse a chance to take a dig
> at the folks who live in our biggest national park. Young folks may not
> remember it but the Canadian dollar used to be worth about a dime more
> than the US one. IIRC the Canadian dollar was pegged to the British
> pound at the time. At that time my Canadian friends used to send me
> letters offering to exchange my US dollars for "real" money. All good
> fun of course.
>
> George


Hi again :)

Yes- I'm old enough to remember those days when our dollar was worth more than
yours. Those were short-lived glory days indeed. Then the Liberal politicians
decided that Canada should be turned into a socialists' paradise and our
country went straight to hell (defininately a lower altitude!) in a
handcart...

There was a time when our dollar was pinned to gold as wel. *whoooosh* out the
window and our dollar has been in freefall ever since. Heaven save us from
politicians!!

Annie


soTWEEDLEjourn 01-07-2004 02:39 PM

Hot water bath processing question
 


Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article > ,
> wrote:
>
> > The Joneses wrote:
> >
> > > soTWEEDLEjourn wrote:

>
> > I'm not really sure what the altitude is where I am: there are
> > mountains northwest of here in Collingwood, Ont (for any Ontarians
> > reading this) and it's part of the system that runs from the Niagara
> > Escarpment and ends at the Scarborough bluffs in Toronto. In between
> > the limestone escarpment peaks and then runs underground near Holland
> > Marsh, rises again at Mt. Albert and so on. It's an up and down
> > rollercoaster ride heading up Hwy 48 (please let an Ontarian help out
> > with altitude). the 'valleys deep, mountains high'.
> >
> > Unfortunately it kind of puts me at a loss for knowing how to
> > process. Is there a safe but happy medium? Would 10 minutes be safe?
> > If it's any kind of indicator, I don't have problems baking and don't
> > have to adjust baking times for altitude.
> >
> > If I had to guess to be safe, I'd put it at 1,000-1,500'.
> >
> > Thanks for your patience, it's really appreciated!

>
> >
> > Annie
> >

> Check this out, Annie:
>
http://www.agen.ufl.edu/~foodsaf/he205.html
> --
> -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 6/27/04.
>


Fantastic! Thanks kindly! :) I just grabbed the pdf for future reference.

Thanks again :)

Annie


Melba's Jammin' 01-07-2004 03:56 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 
In article >, The Joneses
> wrote:
(snip)
> I didn't see anything in particular, but you could call perhaps the
> town hall who has property records and have them research it. Maybe
> the liberry has something. But first check the survey for your home.
> Mine is listed there. Anyone else can check our FAQ which *used to*
> have a USA link to check elevations as well as some recipes..


Call the nearest airport for altitudes - they should know.
-Thus Spake my Former County Extension Weenie
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 6/27/04.


soTWEEDLEjourn 02-07-2004 02:36 PM

Canadian & USA altitudes
 


Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >, The Joneses
> > wrote:
> (snip)
> > I didn't see anything in particular, but you could call perhaps the
> > town hall who has property records and have them research it. Maybe
> > the liberry has something. But first check the survey for your home.
> > Mine is listed there. Anyone else can check our FAQ which *used to*
> > have a USA link to check elevations as well as some recipes..

>
> Call the nearest airport for altitudes - they should know.
> -Thus Spake my Former County Extension Weenie
> --
> -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 6/27/04.
>


I never thought of that. Perfect! Thanks and have a great weekend :)

Annie



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