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Incontinentius Buttocks 22-10-2004 12:35 AM

Care and feeding of flour tortillas
 
Hi all,
reverting to my old handle because I´m too tired to remember the
password to my correct name.

The Teflon install on my Villamex tortilla press worked out great,
and the restaurant opened this week. One problem I´m finding is that
some customers are commenting that the tortillas are kind of hard and
rubbery at the edges. Let me describe how we´re making them, and
invite your suggestions.

The recipe is flour, milk, a bit of oil, yeast, and salt. We press
the tortillas with enough heat to "set" them, then wrap them and put
them in the fridge for a day or so, passing them over the grill to
cook them before putting them out to be served within a few hours. If
the tortillas are not consumed within about three hours, the edges
start to get hard and rubbery, thought otherwise they are still soft
and tasty. Today I bought hygienic plastic bags to store the cooked
tortillas, with a clean towel inside to absorb the
"sweat", but the problem persists. Any ideas on what I should do?

Thanks,

JMA

Incontinentius Buttocks 22-10-2004 01:21 PM

I just switched this morning from chemical yeast to natural yeast. I
was going to use up all the chemical stuff first for economy, but
decided to switch sooner for taste. Now it occurs to me: could the
type of yeast be part of the problem?

JMA

(Incontinentius Buttocks) wrote in message . com>...
> Hi all,
> reverting to my old handle because I´m too tired to remember the
> password to my correct name.
>
> The Teflon install on my Villamex tortilla press worked out great,
> and the restaurant opened this week. One problem I´m finding is that
> some customers are commenting that the tortillas are kind of hard and
> rubbery at the edges. Let me describe how we´re making them, and
> invite your suggestions.
>
> The recipe is flour, milk, a bit of oil, yeast, and salt. We press
> the tortillas with enough heat to "set" them, then wrap them and put
> them in the fridge for a day or so, passing them over the grill to
> cook them before putting them out to be served within a few hours. If
> the tortillas are not consumed within about three hours, the edges
> start to get hard and rubbery, thought otherwise they are still soft
> and tasty. Today I bought hygienic plastic bags to store the cooked
> tortillas, with a clean towel inside to absorb the
> "sweat", but the problem persists. Any ideas on what I should do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JMA


pulido 24-10-2004 08:35 AM

hi

you are using the wrong recipe!

try thisone





I N G R E D I E N T S
3/4 pound (2-3/4 cups ) all purpose flour, plus a little extra for rolling
the tortillas
5 tablespoons lard or vegetable shortening, or a mixture of the two
3/4 teaspoon salt
about 3/4 cup very warm tap water


I N S T R U C T I O N S
Put the flour in a large bowl and rub the lard or shortening into the flour
using your fingertips. Add the salt to the water to dissolve. Mix the
water into the flour a small amount at a time until you form a stiff dough.

Turn the dough onto a floured work surface and kneed it for about 10-15
minutes until it is elastic.

Divide the dough into 12 pieces and roll each one into a ball with the palm
of your hands. Cover the pieces with plastic wrap while you work. When
you are finished cover all the pieces and allow to rest for 30 minutes.

Roll out each ball on a lightly floured surface using a thin rolling pin.
Rotate the tortilla one quarter with each roll to keep the shape even. (This
takes a lot of practice so do not be disheartened if your first attempts
don't make perfect round tortillas). Keep rolling until the tortilla is
about 12".

Warm a comal over medium heat. Place one tortilla at a time on the surface
(ungreased) and cook for about 45 seconds to 1 minute until the surface
beings to blister and lightly brown. Turn the tortilla over and cook the
other side for an additional minute.

Wrap the tortillas in a clean dish towel to keep them warm as you heat the
rest.



never use milk, your recipe is like for pancakes not for tortillas!



jl

http://members.chello.nl/j.pulido1/



"Incontinentius Buttocks" > schreef in
bericht om...
> Hi all,
> reverting to my old handle because I´m too tired to remember the
> password to my correct name.
>
> The Teflon install on my Villamex tortilla press worked out great,
> and the restaurant opened this week. One problem I´m finding is that
> some customers are commenting that the tortillas are kind of hard and
> rubbery at the edges. Let me describe how we´re making them, and
> invite your suggestions.
>
> The recipe is flour, milk, a bit of oil, yeast, and salt. We press
> the tortillas with enough heat to "set" them, then wrap them and put
> them in the fridge for a day or so, passing them over the grill to
> cook them before putting them out to be served within a few hours. If
> the tortillas are not consumed within about three hours, the edges
> start to get hard and rubbery, thought otherwise they are still soft
> and tasty. Today I bought hygienic plastic bags to store the cooked
> tortillas, with a clean towel inside to absorb the
> "sweat", but the problem persists. Any ideas on what I should do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JMA




John213a 25-10-2004 01:06 AM

<< you are using the wrong recipe! >><BR><BR>

Yeah, I have never seen "yeast" in a tortia recipe.
Years back, when up in the wilds of Canada before Taco bell got out into the
boonies, I used to get a craving for Tortillas, so I rolled my own. Just
flour, shortning, and water and a little salt. Rolled them out by hand with a
rolling pin and cooked them in an electric skillet. Worked and tasted fine. I
don't even think I have ever heard of "milk" in a tortilla recipe.
Try the one the fellow posted and use that in the press, I think you might find
that it works and tastes a lot better.

krusty kritter 25-10-2004 04:11 PM

>From: (John213a)

>Yeah, I have never seen "yeast" in a tortia recipe.


With flour and milk and yeast, all that would be necessary would be an egg in
the recipe and you'd have some kind of self-rising cake...

Leave the yeast out, and it's a recipe for a noodle...

I was surprised by the inclusion of yeast in a tortilla recipe, did a web
search, and found that some people are adding *baking powder* to their tortilla
recipes also...

Wandering in the wilderness, the Hebrews had no time to wait for their bread to
rise, so they made flat bread without yeast...

The whole idea of any flat bread, whether it's a tortilla, pizza crust, pita,
or nan, is that it's *unleavened* bread, it's not supposed to rise because it's
a "quick and dirty" form of bread that can be made over an open fire out in a
camp in whatever country the peasants are living in...

A tortilla is bread, acting as an edible plate and more. A tortilla is edible
flatware that can be used to scoop up chile and meat and sauce as well as to
wrap up a burrito or hold taco meat and lettuce on its way to the mouth...

But, all such "soul foods" eventually get imported into America by expatriates
who start their own ethnic food restaurants in the older parts of town where
they can afford to live and then American entrepreneurs "discover" the ethnic
foods and start "doctoring" the original recipes to satisfy American tastes and
notions of whether this or that ingredient is healthful...

And, very soon, there are all sorts of "gimmick" taco chains popping up all
through the newer parts of town that are frequented by yuppies, and you start
finding upscale gentrified tortillas made with milk and yeast, and you find
yuppies complaining that their tortillas are "rubbery" around the edges...

# * 0 * #
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forte agent 27-10-2004 01:12 PM

my experience with makeing tortillas is that if you put to much lard
in them they get really hard, the less i use, the softer they are,at
times it is like eating a slice of bread if i don't use much lard.
marvin


On 21 Oct 2004 16:35:25 -0700,
(Incontinentius Buttocks) wrote:

>Hi all,
> reverting to my old handle because I´m too tired to remember the
>password to my correct name.
>
> The Teflon install on my Villamex tortilla press worked out great,
>and the restaurant opened this week. One problem I´m finding is that
>some customers are commenting that the tortillas are kind of hard and
>rubbery at the edges. Let me describe how we´re making them, and
>invite your suggestions.
>
> The recipe is flour, milk, a bit of oil, yeast, and salt. We press
>the tortillas with enough heat to "set" them, then wrap them and put
>them in the fridge for a day or so, passing them over the grill to
>cook them before putting them out to be served within a few hours. If
>the tortillas are not consumed within about three hours, the edges
>start to get hard and rubbery, thought otherwise they are still soft
>and tasty. Today I bought hygienic plastic bags to store the cooked
>tortillas, with a clean towel inside to absorb the
>"sweat", but the problem persists. Any ideas on what I should do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JMA



John Droge 14-11-2004 11:34 PM


"krusty kritter" > wrote in message
...
> >From: (John213a)

>
> >Yeah, I have never seen "yeast" in a tortia recipe.

>
> With flour and milk and yeast, all that would be necessary would be an egg

in
> the recipe and you'd have some kind of self-rising cake...
>
> Leave the yeast out, and it's a recipe for a noodle.


You make noodles with yeast??

John



John Droge 14-11-2004 11:34 PM


"krusty kritter" > wrote in message
...
> >From: (John213a)

>
> >Yeah, I have never seen "yeast" in a tortia recipe.

>
> With flour and milk and yeast, all that would be necessary would be an egg

in
> the recipe and you'd have some kind of self-rising cake...
>
> Leave the yeast out, and it's a recipe for a noodle.


You make noodles with yeast??

John



Art Sackett 15-11-2004 12:26 AM

krusty kritter > wrote:

> The whole idea of any flat bread, whether it's a tortilla, pizza crust, pita,
> or nan, is that it's *unleavened* bread, it's not supposed to rise because it's
> a "quick and dirty" form of bread that can be made over an open fire out in a
> camp in whatever country the peasants are living in...


Hmmmm... I've been making pizza crusts with sourdough for years, just
depriving them of a long fermentation time. Maybe I'm doing something
wrong?

I will admit that I've never heard of using yeast in a tortilla until
recently, and only in this newsgroup. I sometimes add some baking
powder to mine, depending upon how they're to be used. The baking
powder makes for a lighter, slightly puffier tortilla.

--
Art Sackett,
Patron Saint of Drunken Fornication


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