I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The earliest
recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century - but there may be
earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian (?) "Snow ball"
recipes?

[1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.

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Martin S wrote:

> I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
> recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The earliest
> recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century - but there may
> be earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian (?) "Snow ball"
> recipes?
>
> [1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.
>
Or possibly something marengue-ish.

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Martin S wrote:
>
> I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
> recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The earliest
> recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century - but there may be
> earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian (?) "Snow ball"
> recipes?
>
> [1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.
>
>

The only thing I know as 'snow cream' is cream mixed with freshly-fallen
snow. That is likely to go as far back as people have had access to
cream and snow

Arri London wrote:

>
>
> Martin S wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
>> recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The
>> earliest recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century - but
>> there may be earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian (?)
>> "Snow ball" recipes?
>>
>> [1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.
>>
>>
>
> The only thing I know as 'snow cream' is cream mixed with freshly-fallen
> snow. That is likely to go as far back as people have had access to
> cream and snow

I did a write-up on Snow cream
(http://www.theoldecookerybook.com/~t...hp/To_eat_snow)
only to find that I'd been looking at the wrong Wikipedia entry... :/
*Oh well*


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On Thu 14 Aug 2008 04:42:57p, Arri London told us...

>
>
> Martin S wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
>> recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The
>> earliest recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century - but
>> there may be earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian
>> (?) "Snow ball" recipes?
>>
>> [1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.
>>
>>
>
> The only thing I know as 'snow cream' is cream mixed with freshly-fallen
> snow. That is likely to go as far back as people have had access to
> cream and snow

When I was a child, my grandmother used to make "Snow Ice Cream", just a
mixture of freshly fallen snow, cream, sugar, and vanilla. It was a very
rare treat, as my grandmother lived in Misissippi.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 14 Aug 2008 04:42:57p, Arri London told us...
>
>>
>> Martin S wrote:
>>> I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
>>> recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The
>>> earliest recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century - but
>>> there may be earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian
>>> (?) "Snow ball" recipes?
>>>
>>> [1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.
>>>
>>>
>> The only thing I know as 'snow cream' is cream mixed with freshly-fallen
>> snow. That is likely to go as far back as people have had access to
>> cream and snow
>
> When I was a child, my grandmother used to make "Snow Ice Cream", just a
> mixture of freshly fallen snow, cream, sugar, and vanilla. It was a very
> rare treat, as my grandmother lived in Misissippi.
>
In the Northeast, I have seen mention of maple and snow, but I
don't recall that cream was involved....

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Jean B. wrote:

> In the Northeast, I have seen mention of maple and snow, but I
> don't recall that cream was involved....

The oldest recipes contain mainly flavoured cream and no snow.
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Martin S wrote:
>
> Jean B. wrote:
>
> > In the Northeast, I have seen mention of maple and snow, but I
> > don't recall that cream was involved....
>
> The oldest recipes contain mainly flavoured cream and no snow.
>

Flavoured with what?

Arri London wrote:

>> > In the Northeast, I have seen mention of maple and snow, but I
>> > don't recall that cream was involved....
>>
>> The oldest recipes contain mainly flavoured cream and no snow.
>>
>
> Flavoured with what?
Basically sugar and rosewater. And you often add egg whites as well,
although that might not add much to the flavour.


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On Fri 15 Aug 2008 05:04:11a, Jean B. told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 14 Aug 2008 04:42:57p, Arri London told us...
>>
>>>
>>> Martin S wrote:
>>>> I'm going to do a write up on "Snow Cream" based on my collection of
>>>> recipes, as the entry on Wikipedia isn't entirely correct[1]. The
>>>> earliest recipe I know is from the first part of the 17th century -
but
>>>> there may be earlier? There might also be a relation to Scandinavian
>>>> (?) "Snow ball" recipes?
>>>>
>>>> [1] Snow Cream seems originally refer to flavoured whipped cream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The only thing I know as 'snow cream' is cream mixed with freshly-
fallen
>>> snow. That is likely to go as far back as people have had access to
cream
>>> and snow
>>
>> When I was a child, my grandmother used to make "Snow Ice Cream", just a
>> mixture of freshly fallen snow, cream, sugar, and vanilla. It was a
very
>> rare treat, as my grandmother lived in Misissippi.
>>
> In the Northeast, I have seen mention of maple and snow, but I
> don't recall that cream was involved....
>

No, no cream. IIRC, the maple syrup is drizzled all over the snow and
hardens a bit, but not mixed thoroughly through it like ice cream.

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Martin S wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
>
> >> > In the Northeast, I have seen mention of maple and snow, but I
> >> > don't recall that cream was involved....
> >>
> >> The oldest recipes contain mainly flavoured cream and no snow.
> >>
> >
> > Flavoured with what?
> Basically sugar and rosewater. And you often add egg whites as well,
> although that might not add much to the flavour.
>
>

Then the oldest recipe (snow and milk/cream) can't go back all that far
if sugar was involved. ONly the wealthiest in Europe would have had
ready access to sugar prior to the 1600s. Not much access (for the
poorer sorts) even after that until more colonisation in the new world.

Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.

Arri London wrote:

> Then the oldest recipe (snow and milk/cream) can't go back all that far
> if sugar was involved. ONly the wealthiest in Europe would have had
> ready access to sugar prior to the 1600s. Not much access (for the
> poorer sorts) even after that until more colonisation in the new world.

Both true and ... not so true.
True, the oldest recipes I've found/know of are dated at the end of the 16th
century (1591,1594) and known to be from a higher class setting. Still,
there is *no* indication that you used "real" snow in them. "Snow" in those
recipes refers to the process of whipping cream. Or so it seems from
phrases like "beat your Cream with this sticke... now as the Snow ariseth?

http://www.theoldecookerybook.com/~t...hp/To_eat_snow

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Arri London wrote:

> Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
> recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
> flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.

Actually the oldest recipe *without* snow I have is 1591. The oldest *with*
snow is 1845.


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Martin S wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
>
> > Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
> > recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
> > flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.
>
> Actually the oldest recipe *without* snow I have is 1591. The oldest *with*
> snow is 1845.
>
>

Think about it...who would bother to publish a 'recipe' for something
everyone (with or without an education) knew how to make?

Martin S wrote:
> Arri London wrote:
>
>> Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
>> recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
>> flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.
>
> Actually the oldest recipe *without* snow I have is 1591. The oldest *with*
> snow is 1845.
>
>
Actually, you can find recipes containing snow (not the cream
"snow" of which you spoke) in books to this day, although they
tend to be included more as oddities, or they are there for some
historic reason. I think you need to clarify that.

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Martin S wrote:
> Arri London wrote:
>
>> Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
>> recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
>> flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.
>
> Actually the oldest recipe *without* snow I have is 1591. The oldest *with*
> snow is 1845.
>
>
Being curious about this, and since I like doing searches, I just
started one. One of the first hits is:

http://www.chathamjournal.com/weekly...-recipes.shtml

This article from 2004 contains three recipes using snow, and they
seem not to be there as an oddity either.

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Martin S wrote:
> Arri London wrote:
>
>> Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
>> recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
>> flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.
>
> Actually the oldest recipe *without* snow I have is 1591. The oldest *with*
> snow is 1845.
>
>
And quickly perusing, the recipe here seems to be from 1560:

http://www.coquinaria.nl/english/rec...histrecept.htm

I dunno whether I will get around to checking this source or thkis
topic out further....

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Arri London wrote:

>> Actually the oldest recipe without snow I have is 1591. The oldest with
>> snow is 1845.
>>
>>
>
> Think about it...who would bother to publish a 'recipe' for something
> everyone (with or without an education) knew how to make?

You do have a point there, but on the other hand you can turn that argument
around. Who would bother to publish recipes for mashed potatoes or
omelettes as that (at least for later periods in time) is "something
everyone (with or without an education) knew how to make". But it was done.

But it could be that Cream Snow (the version with snow) was as old as the
whipped cream variety, but regarded as too plebian to be included in
cookery books. It would be interesting to see either recipes or
anthropological material on that. That the "snow and fruit syrup" variety
is widely known today, doesn't really tell us how old it is.

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Jean B. wrote:

> Martin S wrote:
>> Arri London wrote:
>>
>>> Adding eggwhites to snow seems pointless of course LOL. The oldest
>>> recipes still would be the snow-based ones; need much less cream to
>>> flavour snow than to whip into a sweetened concoction.
>>
>> Actually the oldest recipe *without* snow I have is 1591. The oldest
>> *with* snow is 1845.
>>
>>
> Actually, you can find recipes containing snow (not the cream
> "snow" of which you spoke) in books to this day, although they
> tend to be included more as oddities, or they are there for some
> historic reason. I think you need to clarify that.
>

Of course, but again, it doesn't tell us how old they are.

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