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I'm not sure one can legally add CONCENTRATED grape juice
to wine must in California. Regular grape juice, yes.

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Steve Pope wrote:
I'm not sure one can legally add CONCENTRATED grape juice
to wine must in California. Regular grape juice, yes.


I believe this is the relevant regulation:

http://www.wineinstitute.org/industr.../dhs_17010.htm

Also see: http://tinyurl.com/3xc8md


The following provisions shall apply to wines produced in California:

(a) Sugar Use. No sugar, or material containing sugar, other than
pure condensed grape must, and no water in excess of the minimum
amount necessary to facilitate normal fermentation, may be used
in the production or cellar treatment of any grape wine ...

Note that "condensed grape must" is explicitly legal. If not, the
wineries would be more careful to hide those blue barrels...

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axlq wrote:

I wonder if the difference can be tasted?


Depends on how much concentrate is used. A little, used to
add color, will have less impact than a lot (used to add
sugar).

For two reasons:

1. Wine is made from raw grapes, whereas concentrated grape juice is
(as far as I know) made from heated grape juice, which effectively
pasteurizes it and changes the flavor. Sort of like the difference
between fresh-squeezed orange juice and frozen concentrated orange
juice; the latter has been cooked, and tastes that way.


Of course.

2. Concentrated grape juice (at least the frozen kind you buy in the
grocery store) is made from Concord grapes, which have a decidedly
different flavor than most wine varietals.


One can concentrate any kind of grape juice, including varietal grapes.

Maybe the concentrate is used only in blended wines? I can't see a
winemaker using it for varietal wines.


I can think of several examples of where concentrate (aka condensed
grape must) has been used in varietal wines. If you're adding just
a little for color and/or to raise residual sugar, it won't change
the varietal flavor, at least not much. Think of red wines that
are a bit "light", for example...

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Dana Myers wrote:

Steve Pope wrote:


I'm not sure one can legally add CONCENTRATED grape juice
to wine must in California. Regular grape juice, yes.


I believe this is the relevant regulation:


Thanks.

Steve


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