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I haven't heard of this happening, but maybe someone else has. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...UG3KJDKLC1.DTL or http://tinyurl.com/j76dk -- Ham and eggs. A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. |
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sf wrote: > I haven't heard of this happening, but maybe someone else has. > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...UG3KJDKLC1.DTL > or > http://tinyurl.com/j76dk Honest folks needn't be concerned. "ChargeBack Bureau could be engaging in an unfair business practice under state law. "The purpose of this looks to be to prevent people from using [abusing] their legal rights," she said. " Hmm, don't they mean *abusing*? No legitimate company is going to blacklist any customer who *occasionally* makes returns (for whatever reason), otherwise they'd all be out of business. But people who make purchases knowing full well in advance that they are only going to use the merchandise once or twice and then return it are a big problem, especially for those of us honest consumers, they raise costs same as shoplifters. Retailers have rights too, they need to protect themselves and their honest customers from the thieves. Individual businesses have always kept a list of the deadbeats and scam artists (they'd be imbeciles if they didn't), maintaining a national chargeback list is a great idea. And remember, credit is a privilege, not a right... credit cards can be revoked at any time, so can credit purchases be denied... no business is required to extend anyone credit. This is especially good news for the restaurant business. Restaurants accept credit cards as a convenience, but they are not required to. Restaurants get stiffed often by the douchebags who order expensive meals, pay with plastic, and then send off a dispute note to the credit card company (in large cities the meal scammers can eat out often for many years and never pay) . But don't think the credit card companies don't keep tabs an those who regularly dispute payment, at some point they'll revoke the card, and they already have been notifiying other card companies of these scum.... a list of credit disputes comes up on credit check reports. Sheldon |
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> I haven't heard of this happening, but maybe someone else has. > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...UG3KJDKLC1.DTL > or > http://tinyurl.com/j76dk I don't see the problem. They didn't say they want to take away the ability to chargeback as the article implies but establish a rating system to spot offenders. I don't even see why the typical chargeback items they cite would even require a chargeback. Such as you order a red one and get a blue one. Wouldn't you just notify the merchant? I know a few people who are proud of themselves for scamming merchants. Such people would get on the list and be treated accordingly. We all pay if they don't. |
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"Sheldon" > wrote in
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On 2006-06-14, Andy <q> wrote:
> The fact that the company is based in Panama, protected from U.S. > regulations doesn't bother you? A bogus contact phone number? P.O. Box > only address? Owner name disputes? Not replying to U.S. investigative e- > mail enquiries? Do I smell email addy harvesting? > It's the first "offshore" junk credit rating system for subscribing > companies to abuse that I've ever heard of. .....today!! nb |
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notbob > wrote in
: > On 2006-06-14, Andy <q> wrote: > >> The fact that the company is based in Panama, protected from U.S. >> regulations doesn't bother you? A bogus contact phone number? P.O. Box >> only address? Owner name disputes? Not replying to U.S. investigative e- >> mail enquiries? > > Do I smell email addy harvesting? > >> It's the first "offshore" junk credit rating system for subscribing >> companies to abuse that I've ever heard of. > > ....today!! > > nb nb, http://chargebackbureau.org/ "because the customer is not always right" UNBELIEVABLE. Andy |
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> > http://chargebackbureau.org/ > > "because the customer is not always right" > > UNBELIEVABLE. > > Andy Unfortunately things like this are necessary because of the certain percentage of people who scam merchants that we all pay for. |
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George > wrote in
: > Andy wrote: > >> >> http://chargebackbureau.org/ >> >> "because the customer is not always right" >> >> UNBELIEVABLE. >> >> Andy > > Unfortunately things like this are necessary because of the certain > percentage of people who scam merchants that we all pay for. But that's the credit card issuer's problem now isn't it?!!! After a few too many cancelled charges pile up they will simply cancel your card and be rid of you. They grow tired of being the imbetween party real fast! You trust a company in Panama to do a better job??? GIMMEABREAK! Andy |
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Andy wrote:
>>Unfortunately things like this are necessary because of the certain >>percentage of people who scam merchants that we all pay for. > > > > But that's the credit card issuer's problem now isn't it?!!! After a few > too many cancelled charges pile up they will simply cancel your card and > be rid of you. They grow tired of being the imbetween party real fast! > > You trust a company in Panama to do a better job??? > > GIMMEABREAK! > > Andy > I can see where you are going about Panama and not saying its a good thing but outfits in India and the Phillipines for example have access to all of our information now. It can't work without a central database though. Say you scam a bunch of merchants and have a Citicard and they dump you. You could sinply go to the next bank, get a new CC and keep on scamming. You may not realize it but scamming merchants is a big problem and I can understand why they would try to limit it. |
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Andy wrote:
> George > wrote in news:F-- > : > > >>Say you scam a bunch of >>merchants and have a Citicard and they dump you. You could sinply go > > to > >>the next bank, get a new CC and keep on scamming. > > > > George, > > Yeah but it's a matter of diminishing returns. Your record will be > passed across banks via the trusted credit agencies and your credit card > request will be denied in short order. > > You sound like a fraud yourself with your adamant foreign relations > support. > > Andy Any reason for the personal attack? I supplied polite and reasonable responses to you. Just because you have a problem reading for content is not a reason to attack someone. |
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George wrote:
> Andy wrote: > >>> Unfortunately things like this are necessary because of the certain >>> percentage of people who scam merchants that we all pay for. >> >> >> >> But that's the credit card issuer's problem now isn't it?!!! After a >> few too many cancelled charges pile up they will simply cancel your >> card and be rid of you. They grow tired of being the imbetween party >> real fast! >> >> You trust a company in Panama to do a better job??? >> >> GIMMEABREAK! >> >> Andy >> > > I can see where you are going about Panama and not saying its a good > thing but outfits in India and the Phillipines for example have > access to all of our > information now. > The problem is, the phone number listed by the company is bogus. You can't contact this alleged Panamanian company if you want to talk to someone. That, in itself, makes the whole thing suspect. I'd expect to start getting emails from some poor widow in Panama who will share her husband's million dollar estate if you will only give her your bank account information... then she'll move to Nigeria! Jill |
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Sheldon > wrote:
> sf wrote: > > I haven't heard of this happening, but maybe someone else has. > > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...UG3KJDKLC1.DTL > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/j76dk > Honest folks needn't be concerned. > chargeback list is a great idea. And remember, credit is a privilege, > not a right... credit cards can be revoked at any time, so can credit > purchases be denied... no business is required to extend anyone credit. While credit card companies can, and will, revoke credit cards if somebody makes too big a habit of demanding chargebacks, the merchant agreements say the merchant must accept all credit cards of the particular type (e.g.Visa, Mastercard) if they accept any. The merchant is not allowed to refuse one person's Visa card while accepting others' unless the transaction gets refused by the credit card company. Though I suppose it is unlikely a scammer would complain to the credit card company. A merchant could get around it by refusing the customer entirely. Not even accepting cash from that person. Bill Ranck Blacksburg, Va. |
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