I never intended to go to Las Vegas, it's just someplace I
don't have a particular yen to see. So, imagine my surprise
when I found that the opportunity was presented to me that ...
they have In n Out Burgers there!!! Well, now we're talkin!

Stuff to do the first couple of days, of course, driving around
here and there, all the time I'm saying, I'm not leaving Las Vegas
until I get myself around an In n Out burger.

Became a little refrain, let's go here, then me, and we'll have
In n Out burgers. Annoying. On the way to the Hoover Dam,
hey, we'll stop for lunch on the way, In n Out ... you get the idea.
Well, we wound up stopping at a Burger King where they seemed
determined to prove that it's not fast food. What a chore.

Finally, after a long drive through the desert, I was not to be
denied, whipped out the phone book and found one. Wasn't
easy, but we got there.

What a menu!! Loved it. You want a hot dog? Forget it.
Chicken nuggets? NO. Menu: Double Double cheeseburger,
hamburger or cheeseburger. Fries. Soda. Shakes. That's it.

Me: Double Double and a chocolate shake. I was a happy
girl. I make them at home but I wasn't going to be happy until
I had a real one. Freshly made fries cut right there in the store,
actual lettuce, not shreds.

Yup, in the land of Emeril and Wolfgang, et al, I was thrilled with my
fast food burger.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Me: Double Double and a chocolate shake. I was a happy
> girl. I make them at home but I wasn't going to be happy until
> I had a real one. Freshly made fries cut right there in the store,
> actual lettuce, not shreds.

They have a secret menu

I always ordered either a triple triple animal style, or a quad quad
animal style.

http://www.in-n-out.com/secretmenu.asp

"Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen" > wrote
>
> http://www.in-n-out.com/secretmenu.asp

That's hilarious. Thanks.

nancy

"Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen" > wrote

> http://www.in-n-out.com/secretmenu.asp

Imagine? I didn't get the whole thing for some reason,
but I got enough. That's a helluva burger. Me? I have
no business polishing off even a double double, but I
did. And maybe I'll make them tomorrow night for dinner.
Perhaps. Tonight it's grilled london broil with baked potatoes
and a tossed salad.


Top Secret Recipes
version of In-N-Out Double-Double
by Todd Wilbur

This is a recipe for making what I believe is the best hamburger in
the world. The secret to duplicating this and other fast-food burgers is
getting the beef patties real thin...about 1/4 inch-thick. If you like,
you can press the beef thin onto wax paper and freeze the patties ahead
of time. This makes them easier to work with on the hot pan.


1 plain hamburger bun
1/3 pound ground beef
Dash salt
1 tablespoon Kraft Thousand Island dressing
1 large tomato slice (or 2 small slices)
1 large lettuce leaf
4 slices American cheese (Singles)
-or- 2 slices real American cheese
1 whole onion slice (sliced thin)


1. Preheat a frying pan over medium heat.
2. Lightly toast the both halves of the hamburger bun, face down in the
pan. Set aside.
3. Separate the beef into two even portions, and form each half into a
thin patty slightly larger than the bun.
4. Lightly salt each patty and cook for 2-3 minutes on the first side.
5. Flip the patties over and immediately place two slices of cheese on
each one. Cook for 2-3 minutes.
6. Assemble the burger in the following stacking order from the bottom
up:
bottom bun
dressing
tomato
lettuce
beef patty with cheese
onion slice
beef patty with cheese
top bun.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in news:e2qir4$g29$1
@news.monmouth.com:

> I never intended to go to Las Vegas, it's just someplace I
> don't have a particular yen to see. So, imagine my surprise
> when I found that the opportunity was presented to me that ...
> they have In n Out Burgers there!!! Well, now we're talkin!
>
> Stuff to do the first couple of days, of course, driving around
> here and there, all the time I'm saying, I'm not leaving Las Vegas
> until I get myself around an In n Out burger.
>
> Became a little refrain, let's go here, then me, and we'll have
> In n Out burgers. Annoying. On the way to the Hoover Dam,
> hey, we'll stop for lunch on the way, In n Out ... you get the idea.
> Well, we wound up stopping at a Burger King where they seemed
> determined to prove that it's not fast food. What a chore.
>
> Finally, after a long drive through the desert, I was not to be
> denied, whipped out the phone book and found one. Wasn't
> easy, but we got there.
>
> What a menu!! Loved it. You want a hot dog? Forget it.
> Chicken nuggets? NO. Menu: Double Double cheeseburger,
> hamburger or cheeseburger. Fries. Soda. Shakes. That's it.
>
> Me: Double Double and a chocolate shake. I was a happy
> girl. I make them at home but I wasn't going to be happy until
> I had a real one. Freshly made fries cut right there in the store,
> actual lettuce, not shreds.
>
> Yup, in the land of Emeril and Wolfgang, et al, I was thrilled with my
> fast food burger.
>
> nancy


That's so funny! Almost like Mission Impossible. Glad you enjoyed yours.
They are great. Also they are clean and they don't hide the kitchen from
the public. It's tough to duplicate their success.

Still, with all the buffets in Lost Wages, your determination is
commendable. My compliments!

Andy

Nancy Young wrote:
> [snip]
> Me: Double Double and a chocolate shake. I was a happy
> girl. I make them at home but I wasn't going to be happy until
> I had a real one. Freshly made fries cut right there in the store,
> actual lettuce, not shreds.
>
> Yup, in the land of Emeril and Wolfgang, et al, I was thrilled with my
> fast food burger.
>
Glad you finally got to experience In 'n Out. Our favorite for
decades. I always get the double-double with grilled onions. Since
they make each burger fresh when you order it there's time to grill the
onion. When we drive to Vegas, rather than flying, the routine is to
stop at In 'n Out on our way out of town. Freeway convenient. So far,
at least, we've always had enough cash left to pay for our oders.....
-aem

Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen wrote:
>
> http://www.in-n-out.com/secretmenu.asp


Okay, I'll bite (pun intended) - what the hell is
"hand-leafed" lettuce. You gotta be kidding me.
And American cheese? Sheesh! No matter how great
their burgers are they've got to be brought down
quite a few pegs by the American cheese. Sheesh!

And what is a "mustard cooked" burger? Mustard mixed
into the ground meat?

I've always heard In 'n Out Burgers were supposed to
be great. But in all the 13.5 years I lived in the L. A.
area I never managed to get to one. I guess now I
don't feel all that bad about it.

And speaking of burgers, after all that burger talk a
couple of weeks ago I was jonesing for burgers my-style.
So I got some ground meat and some good buns, iceberg
lettuce, tomatoes, onions, cheddar, and MW. Boy were
they yummy. Had them for dinners on the weekends for
several weeks.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> Chronic gamblers set aside just enough gas money to get home, and
> bury it in the desert on the way into town. You could do the same
> with your I&O money - bury it just down the road from the I&O.
>
> -sw


Steve,

Chronic gamblers don't drive to Vegas. They go to Los Angeles' Indian
casinos minutes from home in almost any direction. And probably walking
distance to In 'n' Outs.

I knew a chronic gambler. He was a talented guy when it came to anything
BUT gambling.

Andy

Kate Connally > wrote in :

> Sheesh! No matter how great
> their burgers are they've got to be brought down
> quite a few pegs by the American cheese. Sheesh!


Kate,

Not only is it American cheese... it's orange! When I lived in CA there was
no such thing as white American cheese. When I got to PA and ordered a
sandwich with American cheese, I thought somebody put the wrong cheese on
it, until I was informed that "white American cheese" was a redundancy of
terms. Shook my world!

Andy

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:37:39 -0500, Andy wrote:
>
> > Steve Wertz > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> Chronic gamblers set aside just enough gas money to get home, and
> >> bury it in the desert on the way into town. You could do the same
> >> with your I&O money - bury it just down the road from the I&O.
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Chronic gamblers don't drive to Vegas. They go to Los Angeles' Indian
> > casinos minutes from home in almost any direction. And probably walking
> > distance to In 'n' Outs.
>
> The comps are better in Nevada :-) AT least when they're out of
> money, they can still eat.
>
The Indian casinos still don't have craps tables or blackjack with
decent rules. You have to be not only a chronic gambler but a dumb one
to go to those places. -aem

"aem" > wrote in
ps.com:

>
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:37:39 -0500, Andy wrote:
>>
>> > Steve Wertz > wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> >> Chronic gamblers set aside just enough gas money to get home, and
>> >> bury it in the desert on the way into town. You could do the same
>> >> with your I&O money - bury it just down the road from the I&O.
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> >
>> > Chronic gamblers don't drive to Vegas. They go to Los Angeles'
>> > Indian casinos minutes from home in almost any direction. And
>> > probably walking distance to In 'n' Outs.
>>
>> The comps are better in Nevada :-) AT least when they're out of
>> money, they can still eat.
>>
> The Indian casinos still don't have craps tables or blackjack with
> decent rules. You have to be not only a chronic gambler but a dumb
> one to go to those places. -aem


aem,

Agreed. My gambler ex-friend would pawn anything to me, for next to
nothing but I always declined. I don't miss him.

I've never set foot in one but I heard they can't use dice for craps but
the work-around is to use two shuffled sets of 1-6 cards the user picks
from.

I've also heard of a winner "tax" fee at the tables.

Thinking back to that computer in the movie "War Games" "The only way to
win is not to play."

Andy
Sorry, it's so OT!

In article >,
Kate Connally > wrote:

> And speaking of burgers, after all that burger talk a
> couple of weeks ago I was jonesing for burgers my-style.
> So I got some ground meat and some good buns, iceberg
> lettuce, tomatoes, onions, cheddar, and MW. Boy were
> they yummy. Had them for dinners on the weekends for
> several weeks.

Okay, you take umbrage with American cheese (which if it is the
actual cheese and not processed cheese food can be good), but use
Miracle Whip?

Regards,
Ranee

Remove do not & spam to e-mail me.

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/

Kate Connally wrote:
>
> Okay, I'll bite (pun intended) - what the hell is
> "hand-leafed" lettuce. You gotta be kidding me.

No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
lettuce. -aem

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:34:20 +0200, Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen
> wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>> Me: Double Double and a chocolate shake. I was a happy
>> girl. I make them at home but I wasn't going to be happy until
>> I had a real one. Freshly made fries cut right there in the store,
>> actual lettuce, not shreds.
>
>They have a secret menu
>
>I always ordered either a triple triple animal style, or a quad quad
>animal style.


My teenaged son once ordered the 4x4. Made me ill to watch him eat
that thing LOL!

Nancy Young wrote on Thursday, April 27, 2006:

> I never intended to go to Las Vegas, it's just someplace I
> don't have a particular yen to see. So, imagine my surprise
> when I found that the opportunity was presented to me that ...
> they have In n Out Burgers there!!! Well, now we're talkin!

<snip>

Hmm, you go to Las Vegas from the east coast and you get to
In-n-Out before I do, and I live in Northern California. I moved here
about a year ago. Never heard of INO before moving here. Never
been in one. Can't recall ever driving past one, although the website
says there are several in my area. Well, if I ever go by one, I'll stop
and
check it out.

For the record, I've been to Las Vegas twice. I liked it but it doesn't
draw
me back.

Andy wrote:
>
> Kate Connally > wrote in :
>
> > Sheesh! No matter how great
> > their burgers are they've got to be brought down
> > quite a few pegs by the American cheese. Sheesh!
>
> Kate,
>
> Not only is it American cheese... it's orange! When I lived in CA there was
> no such thing as white American cheese. When I got to PA and ordered a
> sandwich with American cheese, I thought somebody put the wrong cheese on
> it, until I was informed that "white American cheese" was a redundancy of
> terms. Shook my world!
>
> Andy

When I first saw "white" American I assumed it was to
real Swiss cheese what the orange American is to real
cheddar cheese. In any case I avoid American cheese of
any color.

Kate
--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

aem wrote:
>
> Kate Connally wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I'll bite (pun intended) - what the hell is
> > "hand-leafed" lettuce. You gotta be kidding me.
>
> No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
> that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
> lettuce. -aem

Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?). But
if that's the case then the terminology they are used is really
awkward and weird. Anyway, I don't mind packaged, pre-shredded
lettuce as it tends to be iceberg and I'd much rather have that
than "leaf" lettuce. So, anyway, why don't they just say they
use whole lettuce leaves?

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Kate Connally wrote:
>
> When I first saw "white" American I assumed it was to
> real Swiss cheese what the orange American is to real
> cheddar cheese. In any case I avoid American cheese of
> any color.

That's not logical reasoning (sounds like previously decided prejudice
towards things American). Normal brained people might consider
comparing white and yellow American cheese with white and yellow
cheddar cheese... but Swiss cheese... I've never heard of dyed Swiss
cheese (not that it's not out there, I've jsut never encountered any),
and many Swiss cheeses are pretty foul, even those from Switzerland,
especially those from Switzerland.

American cheese may not be some people's choice but it's as legitimate
a cheese as any other. There are many mild cheeses out there and all
cheeses come in various grades, some are just awful... I'm far more
disappointed with a Brie that purports to be the real thing but turns
out to be flavorless crap. At perhaps $10/lb that crappy brie is far
more offensive to my sensibilities than a $4/lb American cheese.

Sheldon

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:
>
> > No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
> > that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
> > lettuce. -aem
>
> Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).
>
Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem

"aem" > wrote in news:1146250987.622104.55120
@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:
>>
>> > No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
>> > that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
>> > lettuce. -aem
>>
>> Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).
>>
> Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
> any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
> my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
> that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
> of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
> greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem

aem,

You HAD to remind me... Melrose and Vermont. We called it Tomaine
Tommy's. With the bathroom style napkin dispensers every two (?) feet.

A true L.A. tradition, agreed!!!

Andy

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:
>
>> Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
>> any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years,
so
>> my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
>> that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
>> of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for
that
>> greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem
>
> I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
> not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
> no less tasty.
>
> The only thing dofferent about I&O and other fast food joints -
> again IMO - is they pay/treat their employees (and managers)
> *very* well and the food takes longer to get to you.
>
> -sw

"In 'n' Out, In 'n' Out, that's what a hamburger's all about."



Andy

Andy wrote:

> "aem" > wrote in news:1146250987.622104.55120
> @y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>Steve Wertz wrote:
>>
>>>On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
>>>>that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
>>>>lettuce. -aem
>>>
>>>Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).
>>>
>>
>>Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
>>any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
>>my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
>>that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
>>of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
>>greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem
>
>
> aem,
>
> You HAD to remind me... Melrose and Vermont. We called it Tomaine
> Tommy's. With the bathroom style napkin dispensers every two (?) feet.
>
> A true L.A. tradition, agreed!!!
>
> Andy
>
I have recommended a restaurant called Raleigh's in Berkeley on
Telegraph near campus here before, but i was in there the other day and
had the favourite "Blue Cheese Burger" and was mightily disappointed.

They used to incorporate the blue cheese in the burger as well as place
some on top, and serve it on an artichoke bread bun, with a fresh
lettuce and a vinaigrette.

The other day it was on a white bread commercial hamburger bun, over
done meat, with a glop of barely discernible "blue cheese" served with
ketchup and yellow mustard. I sent it back. And ordered a chinese
chicken salad, i was hungry so i ate it but it will be a long time
before i do more than have a beer at that place again.
---
JL

Andy wrote:

> Steve Wertz > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
>>>any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years,
>
> so
>
>>>my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
>>>that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
>>>of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for
>
> that
>
>>>greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem
>>
>>I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
>>not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
>>no less tasty.
>>
>>The only thing dofferent about I&O and other fast food joints -
>>again IMO - is they pay/treat their employees (and managers)
>>*very* well and the food takes longer to get to you.
>>
>>-sw
>
>
> "In 'n' Out, In 'n' Out, that's what a hamburger's all about."
>
>
>
> Andy
>

I once watched Julia Child put a 'walnut sized' piece of herbal butter
inside a hamburger patty and pan fry it.

This inspired me to do the same thing with a piece of blue cheese, i
really, really like a big lump of blue cheese in my burger.
---
JL

"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote

> They used to incorporate the blue cheese in the burger as well as place
> some on top, and serve it on an artichoke bread bun, with a fresh lettuce
> and a vinaigrette.
>
> The other day it was on a white bread commercial hamburger bun, over done
> meat, with a glop of barely discernible "blue cheese" served with ketchup
> and yellow mustard.

Oh, what a letdown. I just wilt when an old standby favorite goes
down the tubes like that. Bummer.

nancy

Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in news:2Hw4g.65389$F_
:

> Andy wrote:
>
>> "aem" > wrote in news:1146250987.622104.55120
>> @y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>Steve Wertz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 27 Apr 2006 16:32:55 -0700, aem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>No kidding. In 'n Out uses leaves of real lettuce. The bad joke is
>>>>>that all the other fast food burger places use packaged shredded
>>>>>lettuce. -aem
>>>>
>>>>Jack in the Box doesn't (except maybe on their tacos).
>>>>
>>>
>>>Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
>>>any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years,
so
>>>my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
>>>that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
>>>of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for
that
>>>greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem
>>
>>
>> aem,
>>
>> You HAD to remind me... Melrose and Vermont. We called it Tomaine
>> Tommy's. With the bathroom style napkin dispensers every two (?) feet.
>>
>> A true L.A. tradition, agreed!!!
>>
>> Andy
>>
> I have recommended a restaurant called Raleigh's in Berkeley on
> Telegraph near campus here before, but i was in there the other day and
> had the favourite "Blue Cheese Burger" and was mightily disappointed.
>
> They used to incorporate the blue cheese in the burger as well as place
> some on top, and serve it on an artichoke bread bun, with a fresh
> lettuce and a vinaigrette.
>
> The other day it was on a white bread commercial hamburger bun, over
> done meat, with a glop of barely discernible "blue cheese" served with
> ketchup and yellow mustard. I sent it back. And ordered a chinese
> chicken salad, i was hungry so i ate it but it will be a long time
> before i do more than have a beer at that place again.
> ---
> JL


JL,

If you liked more plain hamburgers/cheeseburgers, The Smokehouse, a few
blocks north of Alcatraz Ave, on Telegraph Ave. is the best in Berkeley
or quite possibly the world, imho.

Andy
[drooling]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:16:07 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Kate Connally > wrote:
>
>>Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
>>And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
>>they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
>>and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?). But
>>if that's the case then the terminology they are used is really
>>awkward and weird.
>
>There's a practice of harvesting leaves of lettuce a few at
>a time without harvesting the entire plant. Perhaps this
>is what is being describe.

I seriously doubt that In-N-Out has a lettuce patch at each location.

serene

Kate Connally > wrote:

>Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
>And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
>they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
>and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?). But
>if that's the case then the terminology they are used is really
>awkward and weird.

There's a practice of harvesting leaves of lettuce a few at
a time without harvesting the entire plant. Perhaps this
is what is being describe.

Steve

In article .com>,
"KevinS" > wrote:


> Hmm, you go to Las Vegas from the east coast and you get to
> In-n-Out before I do, and I live in Northern California. I moved here
> about a year ago. Never heard of INO before moving here. Never
> been in one. Can't recall ever driving past one, although the website
> says there are several in my area. Well, if I ever go by one, I'll stop
> and
> check it out.

You should do that just to see what the fuss is about. Just don't get
your hopes too high. I will say that I prefer IO to Mc Duck's, BK, Jack,
and Wendy, especially if they are all near the same off-ramp. They are
freshly cooked but it's still an industrial fast-food burger. And if
you factor in the the frequently longer wait...

D.M.

"Donald Martinich" > wrote

> "KevinS" > wrote:

>> Hmm, you go to Las Vegas from the east coast and you get to
>> In-n-Out before I do, and I live in Northern California. I moved here
>> about a year ago. Never heard of INO before moving here. Never
>> been in one. Can't recall ever driving past one, although the website
>> says there are several in my area. Well, if I ever go by one, I'll stop
>> and
>> check it out.
>
> You should do that just to see what the fuss is about. Just don't get
> your hopes too high. I will say that I prefer IO to Mc Duck's, BK, Jack,
> and Wendy, especially if they are all near the same off-ramp. They are
> freshly cooked but it's still an industrial fast-food burger. And if
> you factor in the the frequently longer wait...

Well, geez, no one said it was the holy grail of burgers or
anything. Glad I didn't ask for opinions before I went. I
enjoyed it and had fun looking for one, that's all.

nancy

Steve Pope wrote:
> Kate Connally > wrote:
>
> >Yeah, but, the package, shredded lettuce is still real lettuce.
> >And "hand-leafed" is just a totally weird term. I would guess
> >they're implying that someone there takes a whole head of lettuce
> >and removes the leaves by hand (how else would you do it?).

That's exactly what it means, as opposed to whacking away at the entire
head.

> There's a practice of harvesting leaves of lettuce a few at
> a time without harvesting the entire plant. Perhaps this
> is what is being describe.

That's counter productive, harvessting the outer leaves of lettuce
plants causes bolting. Allowing lettuce to become too mature also
causes bolting. Once lettuce has begun to bolt it's bitter. To
increase the havesting season stagger planting and harvest entire
lettuce plants while still young... two young heads are better than one
large one... also conserves gardening space and ultimately yields a
larger crop from the same space.

Sheldon

Donald Martinich wrote:

> You should do that just to see what the fuss is about. Just don't get
> your hopes too high.

My sense of it is that I would be getting an above average fast food
hamburger.

Is this the outfit that has the family feud going on for control of the
company? The
story shows up in the SJ Mercury News every few months. Or, maybe I'm
thinking
of something else.

Joseph Littleshoes > writes:
> This inspired me to do the same thing with a piece of blue cheese, i
> really, really like a big lump of blue cheese in my burger.

Cheese embedded in a burger can be very tasty. Heck, several places
in Minnesota specialized in just that (known locally as a Jucy Lucy),
although usually with cheap American Cheese[sic]. Still, it was
actually quite good, if artery hardening.

--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

"KevinS" > writes:
> Is this the outfit that has the family feud going on for control of the
> company? The
> story shows up in the SJ Mercury News every few months. Or, maybe I'm
> thinking
> of something else.

Yeah, that's In-n-Out, which is privately owned, and various family
members and estate trustees have been squabling over the last few
years.

Oh well, I hope they don't mess with the burgers---which I like,
although they aren't the holy grail that many make them out to be.
I'll just grab a double-double[1] animal style and rare french fries
and be happy, and enjoy eating at a place where the staff actually
doesn't seem to hate their job.


[1] Not to be confused with a Tim Horton's double-double

--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:
>
> > Busted! Okay, I confess. I have not eaten a burger of any kind from
> > any of the other fast food burger places for more than twenty years, so
> > my prejudice in favor of In 'n Out is entirely ignorant. I just know
> > that the In'nOut product is fresh and high quality. Once every couple
> > of years I get a Tommy's burger (L.A. institution), but that's for that
> > greasy chili your stomach craves at 2 a.m. -aem
>
> I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
> not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
> no less tasty.

What I want is 100% beef, with no added seasoning in the beef, and
preferably little/none on it other than maybe hickory from cooking it
over real wood. I want it medium rare. Today I got a burger that I
ordered med rare. If I'd gotten rare or medium, I would have been OK
with that, but it came med well, almost well. If my wife hadn't been
on her lunch hour from work and I hadn't had a coupon, I might have
sent it back. The problem with frozen patties is that if they're not
properly thawed, it's hard for them to get the doneness right.
>
> The only thing dofferent about I&O and other fast food joints -
> again IMO - is they pay/treat their employees (and managers)
> *very* well and the food takes longer to get to you.

That is good. I always tip well for service (not an issue with fast
food joints), but I want quality food, and that means reasonably lean,
fresh beef, not cooked to death. If the interior is mostly or totally
gray, I won't pay premium prices. I live in St. Louis, where you can
get burgers cooked rare all over town, and McD's has well done Big'n
Tastys for $1. If I have to pay double, triple or more, I expect more,
a lot more.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

Steve Wertz wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:
> I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
> not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
> no less tasty.

It changes the structure and it tends to become dry. When I shape the
patty from thawed ground beef, I feels it is rather watery (which is
less bound to the meat than before it was fozen), and the fat has
seperated from the meat and sticks as a thin layer to my hand.

im a kiwi girl so i dont know what some of the american food outlets
are ...... whats an in and out burger and whats a double double ????

tessa

butterflyangel wrote:
> im a kiwi girl so i dont know what some of the american food outlets
> are ...... whats an in and out burger and whats a double double ????

http://www.in-n-out.com/secretmenu.asp

Give my regards to Peter Jackson and tell him to make The Hobbit film.

It depends on how it's frozen. When you put it in your kitchen freezer
the freezing process is slow causing the water in the cells to expand and
burst the cell wall. That's why there's so much blood and water in the
wrapper when you thaw it. Commercially frozen meat is flash frozen and the
effect is minimized.

"Michael Archon Sequoia Nielsen" > wrote in
message ...
> Steve Wertz wrote:
>> On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:
>> I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
>> not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
>> no less tasty.
>
> It changes the structure and it tends to become dry. When I shape the
> patty from thawed ground beef, I feels it is rather watery (which is less
> bound to the meat than before it was fozen), and the fat has seperated
> from the meat and sticks as a thin layer to my hand.

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 01 May 2006 11:52:09 +0200, Michael Archon Sequoia
> Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Steve Wertz wrote:
>>> On 28 Apr 2006 12:03:07 -0700, aem wrote:
>>> I&O's claim is that they never use frozen hamburger. IMO, that's
>>> not much of a marketing gimmick. Frozen hamburger is safer and
>>> no less tasty.
>>
>> It changes the structure and it tends to become dry. When I shape the
>> patty from thawed ground beef, I feels it is rather watery (which is
>> less bound to the meat than before it was fozen), and the fat has
>> seperated from the meat and sticks as a thin layer to my hand.
>
> I find I don't have that problem when I let the meat thaw in the
> fridge. If I know I'm making hamburgers, I shape the meat before
> I freeze (like the distributors do).
>
> -sw


The frozen sirloin burgers the distributors make in 16 (?) packs are half
grease and half beef anyway. My bbq caught on fire because of the
drippings igniting.

Burger is so cheap why freeze in the first place? Gonna have a crowd, go
to your wholesale store and buy fresh 5 or more pounds of 80/20 and
hamburger press 'em and grill 'em.

Or for tonight, buy a pound and pan fry/steam them covered and let 'em
plump.

Dress to kill and serve!

Maybe...

Andy