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Ward Abbott wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:48:27 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
> > This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at
> > quickie marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."

>
> Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
> here.


I guarantee that if you've pumped a tank of gas already, they'll figure
out a way to take your $100 bill. Of course, not many places let you
pump before paying these days.



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The simple act of gaming your change to shill for a bigger tip
disqualified her from deserving any tip, and qualified her for firing
in most restaurants.

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> It's not a restaurant's responsibility to give change in any specific
> denomination.


Sheldon, utter ****ing moron and persistent asshole, is wrong again.

Any retail establishment that fails to keep adequate change on hand
does not deserve to be in business.

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> > And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't
> > have singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

>
> Not at all) We always make sure we have change Really it isn't
> rocket science We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL.
> Any one pound coins we get we put into a pot


I was a paper boy. When I went out collecting I always made sure that I had
change because I expected that if I said I didn't have change I would be
told to come back when I did.



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Sheldon wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article .com>,
> > "Sheldon" > wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > Bullshit. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
> > > waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's always
> > > ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own change when
> > > they go out to eat.

> >
> > > We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

>
> I don't like your method, even on the few occasions that I do pay with
> plastic I still tip in cash... the server is entitled to receive their
> tip in CASH, in HAND, and when service is rendered. Obviously you
> never worked a job where tips were the major portion of your income.
>
> Those who *choose* to use cash are obligated to have proper funds... I
> choose to pay with green money, I can't remember the last time I
> required change back at a restaurant. As a cash person I know it's
> ABCs basic to carry cash in proper denominations so that I never need
> to receive change back (just like your plastic). And as I've said many
> times previously, I ALWAYS place the tip directly into the server's
> hand, I NEVER leave it on the table (and would never dine anywhere
> where the gratuity is included). I hand over the tip when the bill
> arrives... I knew what my bill will be when I placed the order, don't
> really need to see the bill to figure the tip... I pay the server
> before I pay the house. Service and merchandise are two separate
> transactions.... the tip is wages same as if the server were in my
> employ, in fact they are. It's none of the bosses beeswax how much I
> tip, that's between me and the server. And I'm a very good tipper,
> places I frequent know it, in fact I generally get the same waitress
> all the time and get attended to as soon as I walk in the door. And
> yes, call it what you will, but I do indeed tip well for cleavage... I
> consider T & A an important part of my dining pleasure... otherwise I'd
> eat at home, I really don't need anyone to cook for me... but I do
> enjoy my meal much more a la bazooms... and there are no pretentions
> about it, I know and so does she... a little innocent ogling creates a
> much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her. There is no law
> forbidding looking... women do it too, and far more than men. The
> trick is to know how without being cheap/tawdry.
>
> Sheldon


Let's face it, dogturd, it's the closest you'll ever get to the real
thing! And as for "cheap and tawdry", if you're there, it's cheap and
tawdry!



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Dave Smith wrote:
> salgud wrote:
>
> > -L. wrote:
> > > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > > I've had cabdrivers do similar here in Chicago by claiming "I don't have
> > > > change for a twenty...".
> > >
> > > They do that shit in Mexico too. If you ever go to Mexico bring a ton
> > > of $1 with you.
> > >
> > > >I mean come on, it's not like a twenty is a real
> > > > rare commodity anymore. In these particular cases I'll make the cabdriver
> > > > go in somewhere and GET change AFTER the meter is turned off; I'll make a
> > > > point of not tipping and if he's especially surly I'll report him...
> > > >
> > > > The vast majority of cabbies that pull this stunt are Middle Easterners, I
> > > > mean hey, this AIN'T Damascus...
> > >
> > > Oh, you've done a scientific study? Or are you just another rfc racist
> > > asshole?
> > > -L.

> >
> > By now, L, you should know that us white folks never cheat or lie. Just
> > them thar people of color! Just ask Ken Lay, Andrew Fastow, or dozens
> > of other honest white businessmen. I'm sure the cabbies are the same!

>
> yeah but..... their schemes were a little more meticulously worked out to make
> megabucks and avoid detection. The "no change" gimmick is just a cheap scam....
> and widespread. I realize that some people just try to be too damned PC to admit
> the truth.


Yes, a cheap scam that only people of color do!

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> "D.Currie" wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, last time we had this same waitress, she screwed
>> something up, told us she'd give us a free round of drinks, but the
>> drinks
>> were on the bill anyway. Every other waiter/waitress we've ever had has
>> been
>> much better than this one. She's relatively new (but not a youngster,
>> btw) -- in fact, *waitresses* here are relatively new -- up until
>> recently,
>> they only had waiters at theis particular restaurant. I figure either
>> she'll
>> get better or quit.

>
> Hold on a sec. You ask her for change (so you can leave a tip) and she
> conveniently runs out of change (hoping you will leave the larger tip....
> and
> you do. She tells you that she is giving you a free round of drinks and
> then
> charges you for them. ?????
>
> Holy cow. Do you have a big tattoo across your forehead that says "Sucker"
> ?
>


I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. There's a bit of a language
problem. Well, maybe a lot of a language problem.


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
. uk...
>
> "D.Currie" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> . uk...
>>>
>>> "D.Currie" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to
>>>> pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She came
>>>> back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about "sorry, no
>>>> change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but even though she
>>>> wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to leave that little. We
>>>> go to this place often, and we've had this waitress before. But the
>>>> full $10 was more than 20 percent and that bugged me. Half of me was
>>>> thinking she was just a little too dumb to understand that I needed the
>>>> singles for the tip, but the other half of me was thinking that she was
>>>> pushing me to make the choice between the $5 and the $10 and figuring
>>>> she'd get the better tip.
>>>>
>>>> Considering I specifically asked her to make change, I was more annoyed
>>>> than when a server has come back with just big bills. The smart ones
>>>> will usually break at least one of the bills down so you've got a ten,
>>>> a five, and singles instead of a twenty, but sometimes they just come
>>>> back with the change in whatever form is easiest. But I don't think
>>>> I've ever asked someone to make change and had them say there was none.
>>>>
>>>> I did some waitressing when I was a teenager, and one of the things I
>>>> learned early was that you made sure the customer had good change to
>>>> leave a tip.
>>>>
>>>> In this case, DH went to the cash register and got change. Didn't seem
>>>> to be a shortage there. Next time we go there, I'll make sure I've got
>>>> the right change for tipping.
>>>
>>> We eat out every Sunday and we know approx what it costs. We always
>>> make sure we have enough change to give a proper tip.
>>>
>>> Ophelia
>>>

>>
>> And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't have
>> singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

>
> Not at all) We always make sure we have change Really it isn't rocket
> science We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL. Any one
> pound coins we get we put into a pot
>


Well, I haven't reached that level of perfection yet.

Quite often my small bills and quarters go into my business's cash register
so I can give my customers change when they pay with larger bills. So I'm
much more likely to be carrying twenties than singles. It never dawned on me
that a business would have an issue with giving out change to customers.
Sometime you run out, but in my neighborhood, the nearby businesses would
often stop at each other's shops and ask to make change for a customer if
the register was short. And when you have a chance, you run to the bank.

I really fail to see why I need to carry exact change for a tip,
particularly when I don't know what the bill and tip are going to be. When I
was a waitress, I always had plenty of singles and change, so it never
really struck me as critical that I have exact change when I'm a customer at
a restaurant or any other business. I like to have the change when I go to a
restaurant, just because it's easier for me not to have to wait for change,
but I'm finding it interesting how many people think it's some sort of
"rule" that you have to have exact change.


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> The simple act of gaming your change to shill for a bigger tip
> disqualified her from deserving any tip, and qualified her for firing
> in most restaurants.
>
> --Blair
>


I'm chalking it up to a language problem. She may very well have though
"change" meant "coins" and I didn't get any of those back.


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I began delivering papers when I was 12 years old,
> by 16 years old I learned all there was to learn about life. thanks to
> the NY World Telegram and Sun and the Dalton sisters.
>


I'm trying to imagine what my life would be if I had learned all there
was to learn about life by the time I was 16. I think I'd have shot
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"D.Currie" wrote:

> I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. There's a bit of a language
> problem. Well, maybe a lot of a language problem.


There's no language problem. She has read you like a book :-)


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Sheldon wrote:
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> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> In article .com>,
>> "Sheldon" > wrote:
>> (snip)
>> > Bullshit. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
>> > waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's always
>> > ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own change when
>> > they go out to eat.

>>
>> > We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem solved.

>
> I don't like your method, even on the few occasions that I do pay with
> plastic I still tip in cash... the server is entitled to receive their
> tip in CASH, in HAND, and when service is rendered. Obviously you
> never worked a job where tips were the major portion of your income.
>
>


I wonder if this is a generational or regional thing. I never ever EVER carry
more than $40 cash on me. If I am depositing Money or hiting the atm I might
get $40 out for coffee or incidentals, but I don't carry any cash of
consequence on me and neither do any of my friends. We've talked about it and
we just think it's weird. I pay for just about everything with my debit card.
I don't like carrying cash on me, it's creepy.

Both my parents (dad from new jersey and mom from upstate new york) always
have larger sums of cash on them.

I first noticed this when I worked at the theatre. Generally, tickets would
sell from $50 to $70 each and it was rare to see anyone paying in cash and
there was a weird feeling whenever they did (not that they were weird, I just
think Minnesotans love their plastic more).

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ensenadajim wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2006 22:44:11 -0800, "-L." > wrote:
>
>>
>> D.Currie wrote:
>>> We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time
>>> to pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her.
>>> She came back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about
>>> "sorry, no change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but
>>> even though she wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to
>>> leave that little. We go to this place often, and we've had this
>>> waitress before. But the full $10 was more than 20 percent and that
>>> bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was just a little too dumb
>>> to understand that I needed the singles for the tip, but the other
>>> half of me was thinking that she was pushing me to make the choice
>>> between the $5 and the $10 and figuring she'd get the better tip.

>>
>> I would have left her the $5 and left. She asked for it.
>> -L.

>
> My sentiments too.
>
> jim


More than likely she was figuring it would be easier for Donna and her DH to
leave the higher tip than to go get change for themselves. It's an all too
common, not to mention blatantly obvious, ploy and it's irritating as hell.
I'd have left the $5 and told her on the way out "Sorry, didn't have change"


Jill


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jmcquown wrote:

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>
> More than likely she was figuring it would be easier for Donna and her DH to
> leave the higher tip than to go get change for themselves. It's an all too
> common, not to mention blatantly obvious, ploy and it's irritating as hell.
> I'd have left the $5 and told her on the way out "Sorry, didn't have change"
>


And don't forget to add that you asked her for it but she didn't bring it.


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"salgud" > writes:

>Restaurants are not banks. What does that have to do with anything?
>Restaurants are businesses! When you are in business, you do everything
>possible to make it easy for the customer.


You're right. I can't imagine any business not having change for
customers. A restaurant is no different.
The couple of times I've been somewhere that didn't have change, they
always apologized and said it was because of some strange circumstances.

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>On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:41:45 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:


>>In that instance after paying and getting back the change, I would have
>>handed her the $5 directly and say "Thank you but talk to the chef, the
>>food tasted metallic."
>>
>>Psychologically let it be a matter she can wrongfully take out on the
>>chef after you leave. No hard feelings between you and the waitress.


>That's *horrible*. Have her blame someone for something they didn't
>do, to keep "no hard feelings" between a customer and a server who
>treated him badly? What kind of sense does that make?


I know, it's revolting. Andy's advocating making these two co-workers
mad at each other because he couldn't (hypothetically) 'fess up to why
he gave a smaller than normal tip. These people have to work with each
other every day. Plus lying about the food could get the cook in
trouble or fired.
Seriously, Andy, what are you thinking here?

Stacia

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>> yes, call it what you will, but I do indeed tip well for cleavage... I
>> consider T & A an important part of my dining pleasure... otherwise I'd
>> eat at home, I really don't need anyone to cook for me... but I do
>> enjoy my meal much more a la bazooms... and there are no pretentions
>> about it, I know and so does she... a little innocent ogling creates a
>> much more enjoyable experience, for me and for her.


>Well written. ;-)


For your sake, I hope you are joking. This is one of the more
disgusting things I've read on Usenet lately, and there's a lot of crap
on Usenet to choose from. It's good that someone tips an underpaid
waitress based on breast size? It's good to expect women to debase
themselves for a couple bucks in tip and "enjoy" it to boot?
The winky smiley meant you were joking. Right? Right?!

Stacia

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Dave Smith > writes:

>order to pay their employees. What you don't get is wait staff wearing
>stupid "glitter"


It's called "flair" According to the movie "Office Space", anyway.

>Who is the cheapo *******? Is it the person who doesn't leave a tip
>(often for reason), or is it the restaurant owner who pays such a
>paltry wage that servers needs tips to earn a living wage?


You said it. If waitstaff were paid appropriately then this tip
situation wouldn't exist. It sucks having to choose between tipping
because you know the server makes no money, or not tipping because you
don't want to feed into the current unfair system.

Stacia

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Dave Smith wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
> >
> > > And if, on Sunday, you wanted to go out for breakfast but you didn't
> > > have singles or coins enough to make the proper tip, you'd stay home?

> >
> > Not at all) We always make sure we have change Really it isn't
> > rocket science We always have change to tip the paper boy too LOL.
> > Any one pound coins we get we put into a pot

>
> I was a paper boy. When I went out collecting I always made sure that I had
> change because I expected that if I said I didn't have change I would be
> told to come back when I did.


Nonsense. What kind of change?!?!? I was a paper boy for 4 years, I
delivered more than 300 papers every day, by bicycle, I had three
routes in Brooklyn: both sides of Ocean Parkway from Ave. L to Kings
Highway, and E. 3rd St. from Ave. L to Kings Highway. The vast
majority of my customers were with me since day one. In all that time
I never missed a day. I was the exception, most kids were very
irresponsible, they didn't last more than a month or two, and many
didn't even deliver, they tossed the papers down the sewer. Every
Saturday was collection day. Each customer was a different story, some
left the money under the door mat, or in the milk box, etc... some
required I knock. But without exception none required change, why
would they... the weeks worth of papers came to a big 40¢... 5¢ each
weekday and 10¢ for the Sunday paper. When any of my customers was
going to be away for a few weeks they told me to not deliver but still
paid, in advance. Without exception every customer gave me $1 for the
week and wanted no change. I got good tips for Christmas too, at least
$5, many gave $10, a few gave me $25. My very best customer were the
Dalton sisters, a couple of 40 something year old spinsters, not only
did they tip well, one or both would answer the door wearing nothing
but a thin robe... I began delivering papers when I was 12 years old,
by 16 years old I learned all there was to learn about life. thanks to
the NY World Telegram and Sun and the Dalton sisters.

I also delivered prescription drugs for the corner Whalen's Drug Store
at 25¢ each delivery, I was all of 10 years old and delivering Rx
drugs... was a different world back then, in many ways a much better
world. I carried no change. They paid in cash in a sealed envelope,
my usual tip was 50¢... in those days half dollar coins were common.
During summers, along with my paper routes I also delivered groceries
with a truck bike (don't think I can pedal that sucker anymore).
Again, I didn't carry change, they knew the price and gave me the exact
amount, my tip was separate, often a case of deposit bottles. I'll
never forget one little old lady, about 70 years old, she'd make me
open her two bottles of Hoffman ginger ale and stuff a wad of toilet
paper into each, she had very arthritic hands. And yes, she was always
fully dressed. Besides, her apartment stunk so badly with that old
lady stench, I always tried to not breathe. LOL

Sheldon

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"salgud" > writes:
>Sheldon wrote:


>> Just now counted the cash in my wallet:
>> $20 - eleven
>> $10 - two
>> $5 - three
>> $1 - twenty six
>>
>> This is typical for me...
>>
>> Oh, I also have a hundred and 2 fiftys in a secret compartment.


>Ok, everybody stand up, applaud, and say together, "We're impressed,
>dogturd!"


After I stopped giggling at Sir Spendsalot bragging about his wad, I
realized that I really do NOT want to know more about his "secret
compartment". That stopped the giggling pretty quickly.

Stacia



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Glitter Ninja wrote:
:: serene > writes:
::
::: On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:41:45 -0600, Andy <q> wrote:
::
:::: In that instance after paying and getting back the change, I
would have
:::: handed her the $5 directly and say "Thank you but talk to the
chef, the
:::: food tasted metallic."
::::
:::: Psychologically let it be a matter she can wrongfully take out on
the
:::: chef after you leave. No hard feelings between you and the
waitress.
::
::: That's *horrible*. Have her blame someone for something they
didn't
::: do, to keep "no hard feelings" between a customer and a server who
::: treated him badly? What kind of sense does that make?
::
:: I know, it's revolting. Andy's advocating making these two
co-workers
:: mad at each other because he couldn't (hypothetically) 'fess up to
why
:: he gave a smaller than normal tip. These people have to work with
each
:: other every day. Plus lying about the food could get the cook in
:: trouble or fired.
:: Seriously, Andy, what are you thinking here?
::
:: Stacia

All Andy's thinking about is what off topic joke he can post tomorrow.
He's not a member of the real world.

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Nancy Young wrote:
.. On a related note, people have been
> told they cannot pay their parking fine/court ordered whatever with
> sacks of pennies.
>


OMG, must share a story here (short version)

My ex and I were trying to determine child support. His daddy was a
lawyer, so daddy's partner handled all his legal work for him free.

The court appointed a guardian-ad-litem in the case. She was to be paid
by us, 60/40, which was the income split being used to determine child
support. I was billed around $250 and paid it. He was billed around
$320 or so, and resented the hell out of having to actually give any
money to a lawyer (this was all a big game to him)

So, he went down to the bank and got approx $320 in change - nickels,
dimes, and quarters. He puts it all in a couple trash bags and goes to
the lawyers office. Proceeds to empty the trash bags on the secretary's
desk, telling her its payment for his bill!!!!

They wouldn't take it, of course. They told him they WOULD accept
rolled change for payment, but of course the secretary was NT about to
count his $320 in loosew random change and write a receipt for him.

He got ****ed and went ballistic. Ended up with criminal assault
charges against him. Did not win him any points with our child support
jusge!

Folks, learn a lesson here. Change is fine if it's rolled into normed
amounts. Not if it's loose and in a baggie. Did I mention that the ex
is a MORON???

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"Jude" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
> . On a related note, people have been
>> told they cannot pay their parking fine/court ordered whatever with
>> sacks of pennies.


> OMG, must share a story here (short version)


> Folks, learn a lesson here. Change is fine if it's rolled into normed
> amounts. Not if it's loose and in a baggie. Did I mention that the ex
> is a MORON???


(laugh!) I've read stories like that in the past, and notice I said
'court ordered whatever' ... you know I mean crap in a divorce.

What a weinie. Glad you're done with him.

nancy


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Sheldon wrote:
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>> We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to
>> pay, I needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She
>> came back with a five and a ten, and muttered something about
>> "sorry, no change." Grrr. Five bucks was less than 15 percent, but
>> even though she wasn't a spectacular waitress, I didn't want to
>> leave that little. We go to this place often, and we've had this
>> waitress before. But the full $10 was more than 20 percent and that
>> bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was just a little too dumb to
>> understand that I needed the singles for the tip, but the other half
>> of me was thinking that she was pushing me to make the choice
>> between the $5 and the $10 and figuring she'd get the better tip.
>>

>
> Bullshit. In no way whatsoever is it the responsibility of the
> waitperson to make change (you think it's a friggin' bank), it's
> always ultimately the patron's responsibility to have their own
> change when
> they go out to eat.


Sheldon, this is not at all true. Even if the waitperson doesn't have small
bills for change, it's always available from the register at the bar and the
manager keeps a "bank" for just such occasions as well. You don't think a
restaurant opens in the mornings with absolutely nothing in the register
tills, do you? Or that the management doesn't have extra money locked up in
the back? The only time I've run into servers running short on singles is
because they cashed in that ton of quarters, dimes and nickles so they
wouldn't walk around jingling like a kid's piggy bank and got the largest
bills possible to make up for all that change. Even after that there are
plenty of small bills available for the server to offer change correctly so
as not to appear to be trolling for bigger tips.

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> "pgluth1" > wrote in message
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>
>> OMG, I find myself agreeing with Sheldon.
>>

> To be honest, I think she may not completely understand what we're
> saying sometimes. Which is why I gave her the benefit of the doubt
> and gave her the better tip. I'm also hoping we'll get one of the old
> waiters next time we go there.
>

Make a point of learning the names of the "good" servers. It's always a
plus when a server gets 'call customers'; that is, someone who specifically
asks to be seated in their section. When a server gets repeat customers,
you'll find you get better and better service as time goes on because the
server appreciates the recognition just as much as an appropriate tip.

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> Goomba38 wrote:
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, calm down! LOL!
>>> We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem
>>> solved.

>>
>>
>> As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff prefers
>> cash or card? Does it short change them in any way to have it put on
>> the
>> card? Anyone know?
>> Goomba

>
> AFAIK, tips put on a credit card are paid out the same as cash tips.
> How that particular establishment requires the waitstaff to tip out
> varies.
> I suppose if a waiter/ess gets most of their tips on credit cards, it
> would mean they would have to pay taxes on those tips, whereas if more
> of those tips were cash, they might be actually making more than what
> the government assumes they will be making in tips, but not claim them
> as income.


My dad never puts a tip on his credit card. To his way of thinking, if he
has had a wonderful meal and wants to tip the server 25%, the IRS regs only
require them to report a percentage of sales. Let's face it, all too many
people don't tip nearly enough but they have to report the percentage when
the server made that much or not. It's Dad's way of trying to make up for
it a little bit. But yeah, I think tipping is an archaic practice. Being a
server is *hard work*.

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Doug Kanter wrote:
> "sarah bennett" > wrote in message
> t...
>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>> "Goomba38" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>
>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, calm down! LOL!
>>>>> We usually pay with plastic and put the tip on the card. Problem
>>>>> solved.
>>>>
>>>> As I usually do too, but I wonder at times if the waitstaff
>>>> prefers cash or card? Does it short change them in any way to have
>>>> it put on the card? Anyone know?
>>>> Goomba
>>>
>>>
>>> Many restaurants deduct the bank's credit card fee from the
>>> waitress' tips. They do prefer cash.

>>
>> Is that legal? Where I work, and at the pizza shop next door, and at
>> the restaurant across the way, tips are paid out directly to the
>> employee earning them. The onus for the credit card fee is on the
>> business, not the employee!
>>
>> saerah

>
> I don't know if it's legal, but it happens.


When I was on my last trip in February we had to drive to the next county to
buy alcohol. The liquor/wine/beer shop over the county line didn't take
credit cards, period. Why? They didn't want to be charged for the credit
transactions. The guy who worked there told us it was either don't process
credit cards or wind up increasing the cost of that bottle of wine, etc.,
ultimately making the customer pay more. I would guess the restaurants in
the same situation are adding the costs to the menu price, not subtracting
it from the servers tips. The server has no control over the method of
payment a customer chooses to use.

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"Default User" > wrote in message
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> Ward Abbott wrote:
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>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:48:27 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at
>> > quickie marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."

>>
>> Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
>> here.

>
> I guarantee that if you've pumped a tank of gas already, they'll figure
> out a way to take your $100 bill. Of course, not many places let you
> pump before paying these days.
>


Yes, but you may have to wait until enough customers come in to gather up
the change. Most stations have safes and anything over a small amount is
stuffed into it for security reasons.

Of course at today's prices, that $100 bill barely covers a fill up. Local
regular is 2.55 today.


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D.Currie wrote:

> Considering I specifically asked her to make change, I was more annoyed than
> when a server has come back with just big bills.



I haven't read the whole thread with all the responses so forgive me if
this has been brought up before, but do you remember your exact words
when you asked her for change? I ask because, if I pay for a $5
purchase with a $20 bill, getting a ten and a five back IS change
according to the way the word is commonly used. If there's no purchase,
and I just ask for change for a twenty, I might get back 2 tens. That's
considered change. Or the cashier might ask me specifically how I'd
like it and give me the chance to say I'd like a ten, a five and 5 ones.
From the way your original post is written, I'd say the waitress was
busy and low on singles. She may have been doing her reasonable best,
came back with the news that there was no change to convey the idea that
she couldn't find singles and thought it more important to bring you
your money quickly. Her error might have been more in using the wrong
turn of phrase than in conniving or lying.


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"Jude" > writes:

>So, he went down to the bank and got approx $320 in change - nickels,
>dimes, and quarters. He puts it all in a couple trash bags and goes to
>the lawyers office. Proceeds to empty the trash bags on the secretary's
>desk, telling her its payment for his bill!!!!

[snip]

>He got ****ed and went ballistic. Ended up with criminal assault
>charges against him. Did not win him any points with our child support
>jusge!


Holy cow. If I was the secretary, I would have ended up with charges
against me because I would have kicked his ass. Seriously, I'm not a
pleasant person at work, if some jerk had come in and dumped $320 worth
of change on my desk because he was being a whiny baby, I would have
punched him in the neck.

Stacia

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
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>
>>Ward Abbott wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:48:27 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at
>>>>quickie marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."
>>>
>>>Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
>>>here.

>>
>>I guarantee that if you've pumped a tank of gas already, they'll figure
>>out a way to take your $100 bill. Of course, not many places let you
>>pump before paying these days.
>>

>
>
> Yes, but you may have to wait until enough customers come in to gather up
> the change. Most stations have safes and anything over a small amount is
> stuffed into it for security reasons.
>
> Of course at today's prices, that $100 bill barely covers a fill up. Local
> regular is 2.55 today.
>
>


I could fill up for a quarter of that

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Peter Aitken wrote:
> "Food Snob" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > D.Currie wrote:
> >> We went out to dinner tonight to a local place. When it came time to pay,
> >> I
> >> needed the waitress to make change so I could tip her. She came back with
> >> a
> >> five and a ten, and muttered something about "sorry, no change." Grrr.
> >> Five
> >> bucks was less than 15 percent, but even though she wasn't a spectacular
> >> waitress, I didn't want to leave that little. We go to this place often,
> >> and
> >> we've had this waitress before. But the full $10 was more than 20 percent
> >> and that bugged me. Half of me was thinking she was just a little too
> >> dumb
> >> to understand that I needed the singles for the tip, but the other half
> >> of
> >> me was thinking that she was pushing me to make the choice between the $5
> >> and the $10 and figuring she'd get the better tip.

> >
> > At the one restaurant where we are regulars, I tip very well, but
> > expect great service. If my son and I go there for lunch, and the bill
> > is $10, I tip $2 for marginal service, $3 for good service, or most
> > likely, $4 for excellent service. The servers know this, and bring me
> > salsa before I run out, and always keep my water glass from running
> > dry. If my wife is with us, the check will likely be ~$18, for which I
> > leave $4, $5, or more likely $6. Is $2, $3, even $5 or $10 too much to
> > pay for VIP treatment?
> >
> > Let's take the $18 check. 15% rounded up to the nearest dollar would
> > be a $3, making the meal total $21. A $6 (which is ~33%) tip would
> > bring the meal total to $24. $24 is only ~14% more than $21, but that
> > extra 14% has a huge effect on the overall pleasure of the dining
> > experience.
> >
> > When we go in there and are assigned a server who doesn't know us,
> > (s)he brings water and chips&salsa, just like for every customer.
> > After the server goes back to the back, (s)he acts differently,
> > obviously having been told by other staff that I am a huge tipper, but
> > only for spectacular service. I also often tip with $2 bills, which
> > just serves to highlight the size of the gratuity.
> >
> > In addition to the benefits I derive, there's the plus of knowing
> > you've done a good thing, even if your motives were not primarily
> > altruistic.

>
> All well and good, but what about people who do not go to a restaurant
> regularly? It's nice to be known and treated well because of your tipping,
> but relatively few people I think patronize any restaurant that frequently.


Really? I know people who have favorite restaurants, and the owners
know some of them by name.
>
> And then what about the other patrons? Suppose I came to your restaurant as
> an unknown. Is my service going to be slighted because the waitress is busy
> attending to her known big tippers?
>

Are you suggesting that economic relationships in the American economy
are based on fairness? Perhaps you get what you pay for. It took me
a while to develop the economic relationship, doing the dance back and
forth. I reckon that's analogous to having accumulated capital. Now I
can use said capital to acquire benefits that a person who does not
have capital does not have access to. In this narrow circumstance, I
am considered by the system to be better than equal to others. I merit
special priveleges.

In the big wide world, those who possess wealth can use it to great
benefit.

Read this:

Equal Justice

In twelfth century England, the rules of chivalry dictated
that nobles, when captured by their rivals were no longer to
be put to death, as had been the practice in earlier times.
However, in the preceding battles many common soldiers were
killed or maimed.

Today, in America, working class criminals are treated far
more harshly than white-collar criminals. After non-
confiscatory fines and short or suspended prison sentences,
corporate criminals are allowed to resume their opulent
lifestyle. Fairness would dictate a confiscation of all assets
for serious property crimes. Also, why would the CEO of a
corporation who knowingly endangers the lives of citizens,
and ultimately causes their deaths, not be held to the same
standard of guilt as an armed robber who murders in the
commission of his or her crime of greed?

Current law reflects a current mindset that suggests that
the very lives of these two classes of people are of a different
value. This, I utterly reject!
--Bobo Bonobo

I don't have much pecuniary capital, and my minor celebrity status and
$2.95 will buy me a latte at Kaldi's, but I think what I've done in the
circumstance is, on the whole, positive. I wrote that Equal Justice
piece several years ago, and while I see greed as an emotion
undevorcible from the human condition*, I don't see it as something to
be admired. I don't see my restaurant thing as a zero sum thing**.
Servers put out say, X amount of effort, distributed among their
customers. Might they not still put out just as much effort for the
rest, but ramp up their total output because they have a marked
increase in productivity in dealing with myself and others who follow
the same tip-well-for-excellent-service scheme?

Your post opened what I think is an interesting can of worms. Too bad
so few people bother to fish anymore.
>
> --
> Peter Aitken


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Glitter Ninja wrote:
> "Jude" > writes:
>
> >So, he went down to the bank and got approx $320 in change - nickels,
> >dimes, and quarters. He puts it all in a couple trash bags and goes to
> >the lawyers office. Proceeds to empty the trash bags on the secretary's
> >desk, telling her its payment for his bill!!!!

> [snip]
>
> >He got ****ed and went ballistic. Ended up with criminal assault
> >charges against him. Did not win him any points with our child support
> >jusge!

>
> Holy cow. If I was the secretary, I would have ended up with charges
> against me because I would have kicked his ass. Seriously, I'm not a
> pleasant person at work, if some jerk had come in and dumped $320 worth
> of change on my desk because he was being a whiny baby, I would have
> punched him in the neck.
>
> Stacia



Yes, but you see, he's ENTITLED. Unlike us peons. =)

Did I mention that he's my EX?

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On 2006-03-18, jmcquown > wrote:

> My dad never puts a tip on his credit card.


I'll second that. If I pay by credit card, I still tip in cash. Just
make sure you put -none-, or some such written negation in the tip
fill-in spot on the credit card bill. Just putting a zero is an
opening for abuse.


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> All Andy's thinking about is what off topic joke he can post tomorrow.
> He's not a member of the real world.
>
> BOB



BOBO,

No, actually I think about what to have for breakfast. You on the other
hand are a moron for continuing to read my CotDs. If you feel my comic
posts aren't funny and you had a brain you'd have killfiled me awhile back.

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> When I was on my last trip in February we had to drive to the next county to
> buy alcohol. The liquor/wine/beer shop over the county line didn't take
> credit cards, period. Why? They didn't want to be charged for the credit
> transactions. The guy who worked there told us it was either don't process
> credit cards or wind up increasing the cost of that bottle of wine, etc.,
> ultimately making the customer pay more. I would guess the restaurants in
> the same situation are adding the costs to the menu price, not subtracting
> it from the servers tips. The server has no control over the method of
> payment a customer chooses to use.


I live in a small town. The local hardware store changed hands a number of years
ago and the new owner refused to take cheques or credit cards because he thought
it was too much hassle. At the end of the day he would have the extra hassle of
dealing with the extra paperwork. He eventually discovered that his customers
didn't always have cash and he lost a lot of sales. He ended up changing his
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Jude wrote:
>
> OMG, must share a story here (short version)
>
> My ex and I were trying to determine child support. His daddy was a
> lawyer, so daddy's partner handled all his legal work for him free.
>
> The court appointed a guardian-ad-litem in the case. She was to be paid
> by us, 60/40, which was the income split being used to determine child
> support. I was billed around $250 and paid it. He was billed around
> $320 or so, and resented the hell out of having to actually give any
> money to a lawyer (this was all a big game to him)
>
> So, he went down to the bank and got approx $320 in change - nickels,
> dimes, and quarters. He puts it all in a couple trash bags and goes to
> the lawyers office. Proceeds to empty the trash bags on the secretary's
> desk, telling her its payment for his bill!!!!
>
> They wouldn't take it, of course. They told him they WOULD accept
> rolled change for payment, but of course the secretary was NT about to
> count his $320 in loosew random change and write a receipt for him.
>
> He got ****ed and went ballistic. Ended up with criminal assault
> charges against him. Did not win him any points with our child support
> jusge!
>
> Folks, learn a lesson here. Change is fine if it's rolled into normed
> amounts. Not if it's loose and in a baggie. Did I mention that the ex
> is a MORON???


Did I mention that you are a LIAR???

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In article >,
Ward Abbott > wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:48:27 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
> >This thread got me thinking - I sure we have all seen signs at quickie
> >marts - "No $50 or $100 bills accepted."

>
> Gas and convenience stations have done this for years....nothing new
> here.


As far as I know, as long as payment is not requested before the sale,
there is no debt and that rule does not apply. Same at fast food places,
most require payment BEFORE the sale, not after.

Than again, I have seen some people get change for large denomination
bills despite signs being posted that a merchant does not do that.
Usually, this involves some inconvenience to the customer by having to
wait for a manager to handle the transaction.
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The Bubbo > wrote:

> I wonder if this is a generational or regional thing. I never ever EVER carry
> more than $40 cash on me. If I am depositing Money or hiting the atm I might
> get $40 out for coffee or incidentals, but I don't carry any cash of
> consequence on me and neither do any of my friends. We've talked about it and
> we just think it's weird. I pay for just about everything with my debit card.
> I don't like carrying cash on me, it's creepy.
>
> Both my parents (dad from new jersey and mom from upstate new york) always
> have larger sums of cash on them.
>
> I first noticed this when I worked at the theatre. Generally, tickets would
> sell from $50 to $70 each and it was rare to see anyone paying in cash and
> there was a weird feeling whenever they did (not that they were weird, I just
> think Minnesotans love their plastic more).


I rarely carry much cash, either. The other problem with cash is
that it disappears and there's nothing left to show where it went;
at least with a debit card there's (usually) a receipt.

It's changing, but when I moved to Minnesota 20-ump years ago, the
paper check was king around here. Dang, Minnesotans wrote checks for
_everything_. "Your burger came to $3.35." "Okay, here's my check."
"Newspaper, mister?" "Sure." "That's 35 cents." "OK. [rip] Here you
are." In fact, when the Mall-o opened, they warned merchants that,
no matter what their check-writing policies were at their _other_
stores, Minnesotan expected to be able to write checks, so they'd
better except their MoA stores.

Now writing a check is about as easy as paying with dollar coins and
two-dollar bills. So it seems most folks here are using plastic.
But, yeah, the behavior hasn't changed much.

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