Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?

"jw 1111" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
>
>
>

No. It's a matter of your taste. Drinking it straight is fine, but some
people find that a bit too potent, taste-wise. Mixing with good quality
water, perhaps 1 to 1 ratio, may be more to your liking. Try both and see
what you like! You should let your own taste be your guide and not someone
else's idea of what you "should" do. On the other hand, mixing good whiskey
with anything but water is a waste because the special tastes of the whiskey
will be covered up.


--
Peter Aitken
(who just remembered the bottle of 18 year old Glenfiddich in the closet and
is headed that way)

jw 1111 wrote:

> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
>


I prefer to sip it straight and enjoy the aroma more than the taste.
Full strength, it doesn't have much taste to me except slightly sweet
from the alcohol. Maybe the alcohol is too strong for the taste buds to
register. The proof is about 90 to 100 on the bourbon that I liked; I
also like Crown Royal at 80 proof IIRC.

When I dilute it with a little water or with ice, it tastes a lot
harsher and unpleasant, like cheap whiskey.

Bob

jw 1111 wrote:
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?

Try it and see what you like. It may depend on what kind of whisky it
is. Many aficionados of single malt scotch insist that a little bit of
pure cold water should be added but never any ice. Personally, I like
top quality bourbon neat, single malt scotch with a little water,
except that I like the really peaty ones neat. -aem

jw 1111 wrote:
>
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?

Depends on the whisky. Try it without any water and then with a small
amount of good water in it. Some whiskies taste better with a tiny bit
of water in them.
>

jw 1111 wrote:
>
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?

Only among the tiny minority of people who really
appreciate fine whiskey.

How do you know which type you are? Compare regular
Crown Royal and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special
Reserve. If the difference is barely perceptible,
fine whiskey is wasted on you. You'd be just as happy
with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola or something.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> jw 1111 wrote:
>>
>> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
>> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
>> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
>
> Only among the tiny minority of people who really
> appreciate fine whiskey.
>
> How do you know which type you are? Compare regular
> Crown Royal and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special
> Reserve. If the difference is barely perceptible,
> fine whiskey is wasted on you. You'd be just as happy
> with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola or something.

Bad idea. Canadian whiskey is the least interesting of all. It's like
testing your taste for beer by comparing Bud and Miller. Scotch and bourbon,
in that order, are vastly superior.


--
Peter Aitken

"jw 1111" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?

IMHO --- sort of -

IMHE, bourbon benefits from sips of ice-chip water between sips of whiskey.

Irish, scotch, bourbon, and cognac/brandy lose a little of the heaviness of
the peat/tannin when water is added, and they also lose some of the strength
of the bouquet - both essential elements of the "flavor".
Water also dilutes the "bite", part of the distilling effort - (bite,
which BTW makes up much of the flavor sensory experience for vodka
afficionados)

Can't speak to Canadian - never tried it with water.

fwiw...

>
>
>

Peter Aitken wrote:
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> jw 1111 wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was
>>> gently communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be
>>> in some way not lead to its real appreciation. Is this a
>>> generally accepted view?
>>
>> Only among the tiny minority of people who really appreciate fine
>> whiskey.
>>
>> How do you know which type you are? Compare regular Crown Royal
>> and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special Reserve. If the
>> difference is barely perceptible, fine whiskey is wasted on you.
>> You'd be just as happy with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola
>> or something.
>
>
> Bad idea. Canadian whiskey is the least interesting of all. It's like
> testing your taste for beer by comparing Bud and Miller. Scotch and
> bourbon, in that order, are vastly superior.
>
>


I like Bourbon much better than Scotch*, but maybe I'm just not old
enough to appreciate Scotch. The best whiskey I've tasted was Woodford
Reserve, but I usually drink Elijah Craig 12 y.o. Bourbon

*the Scotch I tried was Johnny Walker black label

Best regards,
Bob

In article >,
"jw 1111" > wrote:

> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
>
>
>

IMHO, yeah. ;-)

I never drink whiskey with water anyway!
I might pour it over just a little bit of crushed ice, then sip it.

Slowly...
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>
> I like Bourbon much better than Scotch*, but maybe I'm just not old
> enough to appreciate Scotch. The best whiskey I've tasted was
Woodford
> Reserve, but I usually drink Elijah Craig 12 y.o. Bourbon
>
> *the Scotch I tried was Johnny Walker black label
>

Both Bourbons are excellent quality. So is the Scotch.
So are the previously mentioned Canadian Ryes. So are
Cognacs and aged Tequilas and Armagnacs and carefully
made Vodkas and ... approach them all as individuals,
awaiting your discovery of their unique qualities. They all
have them; that is the beauty of good whiskeys. If you do
not like them straight add a bit of water, or a bit of ice, and
at some point you will think that it isn't all that bad. Then
you will be halfway there. You have a lifetime of fun ahead.

pavane

In article >,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > jw 1111 wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> >> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> >> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
> >
> > Only among the tiny minority of people who really
> > appreciate fine whiskey.
> >
> > How do you know which type you are? Compare regular
> > Crown Royal and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special
> > Reserve. If the difference is barely perceptible,
> > fine whiskey is wasted on you. You'd be just as happy
> > with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola or something.
>
> Bad idea. Canadian whiskey is the least interesting of all. It's like
> testing your taste for beer by comparing Bud and Miller. Scotch and bourbon,
> in that order, are vastly superior.

Even Williams.

Black Label. :-)
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

Peter Aitken wrote:

> > How do you know which type you are? Compare regular
> > Crown Royal and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special
> > Reserve. If the difference is barely perceptible,
> > fine whiskey is wasted on you. You'd be just as happy
> > with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola or something.
>
> Bad idea. Canadian whiskey is the least interesting of all. It's like
> testing your taste for beer by comparing Bud and Miller. Scotch and bourbon,
> in that order, are vastly superior.

Actually, it sounded like good advice to me. I am not sure Canadian whiskey is
the least interesting as long as there is still Bourbon around. I don't think
either of those compare with a good Scotch or even a nice Irish Whiskey. Never
the less, he had a good point about it being a waste if the OP can't tell the
difference. And if a person insists on mix with whiskey it would be a terrible
waste of the good stuff.

hob wrote:

>
> IMHE, bourbon benefits from sips of ice-chip water between sips of whiskey.
>
> Irish, scotch, bourbon, and cognac/brandy lose a little of the heaviness of
> the peat/tannin when water is added, and they also lose some of the strength
> of the bouquet - both essential elements of the "flavor".
> Water also dilutes the "bite", part of the distilling effort - (bite,
> which BTW makes up much of the flavor sensory experience for vodka
> afficionados)
>
> Can't speak to Canadian - never tried it with water.
>
> fwiw...

Good Canadian rye whiskey is not bad stuff, but it has to be the the good stuff.

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>
>
> IMHO, yeah. ;-)
>
> I never drink whiskey with water anyway!
> I might pour it over just a little bit of crushed ice, then sip it.
>
> Slowly...

There was episode on the Mary Tyler Moore show where Mr.Grant told mary how to
drink Scotch. His advice was to get a nice glass, but some ice in it and add a
hefty shot of Scotch. Then you swirl the whiskey around in the glass and have a
sip, and you do that a few times, and when there is just enough ice melted into the
whiskey you knock it back.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Peter Aitken" > wrote:
>
> > "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > jw 1111 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> > >> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way
not
> > >> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
> > >
> > > Only among the tiny minority of people who really
> > > appreciate fine whiskey.
> > >
> > > How do you know which type you are? Compare regular
> > > Crown Royal and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special
> > > Reserve. If the difference is barely perceptible,
> > > fine whiskey is wasted on you. You'd be just as happy
> > > with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola or something.
> >
> > Bad idea. Canadian whiskey is the least interesting of all. It's like
> > testing your taste for beer by comparing Bud and Miller. Scotch and
bourbon,
> > in that order, are vastly superior.
>
> Even Williams.
>
> Black Label. :-)
> --
> Peace, Om.
>

We sell a heck of a lot of both of those at our store, but I actually prefer
Black Velvet and it's cheap whiskey. I've had some really good expensive
whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
Velvet. It's very buttery tasting. Oh, and I drink it straight.

kili

jw 1111 wrote:
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
>
>
>
Not around these parts (these parts being the west of Ireland). Here,
many whiskey drinkers swear that a drop of spring water 'opens up' the
flavour of the drink, and there's always a carafe of it on the bar for
that purpose.

Jo

Henhouse > wrote in
:

> jw 1111 wrote:
>> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
>> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way
>> not lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
>>
>>
>>
> Not around these parts (these parts being the west of Ireland). Here,
> many whiskey drinkers swear that a drop of spring water 'opens up' the
> flavour of the drink, and there's always a carafe of it on the bar for
> that purpose.
>
> Jo

Mornin'

When I was in California last month, I was treated to some 12-year-old
whisky and my friend added a tiny amount of water to each glass. I have
no taste for the stuff but it tasted good. Heck, it had alcohol in it! We
ended up finishing the whole bottle and talking nonsense late into the
night, just short of howling at the moon. No wait. We did howl at the
moon!

Also, I learned from the FoodTV, if it's whiskey, it's bourbon. If it's
whisky, it's Scotch.

Andy

Andy wrote:
<snippage>

> Also, I learned from the FoodTV, if it's whiskey, it's bourbon. If it's
> whisky, it's Scotch.
>
> Andy

Irish whiskey is also whiskEy!

Jo

hob wrote:

>> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was
>> gently
>> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in
>> some
>> way not lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally
>> accepted
>> view?

> IMHE, bourbon benefits from sips of ice-chip water
> between sips of whiskey.

True, and that's the way whisky should be drank, just as cognac,
armagnac, rhum and many other liquors.
--
Vilco
Think Pink , Drink Rose'

In article >,
says...
> I've had some really good expensive
> whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
> Velvet.

Seconded. I have tried a bunch of different whiskeys and none of them work for
me. Black Velvet is about the only one I find remotely palatable. Heh.

De gustibus non disputandum esse ...

-P.

--
=========================================
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"Peter Huebner" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
> > I've had some really good expensive
> > whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
> > Velvet.
>
> Seconded. I have tried a bunch of different whiskeys and none of them work
for
> me. Black Velvet is about the only one I find remotely palatable. Heh.
>
> De gustibus non disputandum esse ...
>
> -P.
>

I'm drinkin' some now, Pete. :~)

kili

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:41:01 GMT, "jw 1111"
> replied:
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky

What type was it? That's rather important to help with your
follow-up.

> and it was gently communicated to me that to mix
> it with any water would be in some way not lead
> to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted
> view?

My FIL, of the older school of thought, feels that ice helps
smooth out the rough edges of scotch. He drinks JW Red Label as
his daily wind-down so, yeah, ice does help in this particular
case.

I prefer Cardhu, Balvenie (double-wood), Bruichladdich 15,
Auchentoshan 3 wood, and Midleton Irish whiskey. Adding water or
chilling the contents takes away the subtleties you're paying
extra for... I also won't waste these finer spirits on my FIL
because he requires the heavier-handed thugs (Ardbeg, Laphroaig,
and Lagavulin) to make him enjoy the taste.

The Ranger
--
"The Irish believe wiff a most-'oly furor that eatin' food shoul'
be a test of courage. If we can't boil it t' deff, fry it in a vat
o' grease, or stuff it in an animal intestine, we're posit've it
shouldn't be eaten."
-- John Woolery, London Underground, 1992

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:25:06 -0600, zxcvbob >
replied:
[snip]
> I prefer to sip it straight and enjoy the aroma more than
> the taste. Full strength, it doesn't have much taste to
> me except slightly sweet from the alcohol. Maybe the
> alcohol is too strong for the taste buds to register. The
> proof is about 90 to 100 on the bourbon that I liked; I
> also like Crown Royal at 80 proof IIRC.
>
> When I dilute it with a little water or with ice, it tastes a lot
> harsher and unpleasant, like cheap whiskey.

Have you tried any of the boutique bourbons yet (Hirsch, Baker's,
or Black Maple Hill)?

The Ranger
--
"All Scottish cooking is based on a dare"
Mike Meyers

The Ranger wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:25:06 -0600, zxcvbob >
> replied:
> [snip]
>
>>I prefer to sip it straight and enjoy the aroma more than
>>the taste. Full strength, it doesn't have much taste to
>>me except slightly sweet from the alcohol. Maybe the
>>alcohol is too strong for the taste buds to register. The
>>proof is about 90 to 100 on the bourbon that I liked; I
>>also like Crown Royal at 80 proof IIRC.
>>
>>When I dilute it with a little water or with ice, it tastes a lot
>>harsher and unpleasant, like cheap whiskey.
>
>
> Have you tried any of the boutique bourbons yet (Hirsch, Baker's,
> or Black Maple Hill)?
>


Does Woodford Reserve count? I really liked that one. I sipped it
neat, from a little snifter.

Bob

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:41:01 GMT, "jw 1111"
> > replied:
>> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky
>
> What type was it? That's rather important to help with your
> follow-up.
>
>> and it was gently communicated to me that to mix
>> it with any water would be in some way not lead
>> to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted
>> view?
>
> My FIL, of the older school of thought, feels that ice helps
> smooth out the rough edges of scotch. He drinks JW Red Label as
> his daily wind-down so, yeah, ice does help in this particular
> case.
>
> I prefer Cardhu, Balvenie (double-wood), Bruichladdich 15,
> Auchentoshan 3 wood, and Midleton Irish whiskey. Adding water or
> chilling the contents takes away the subtleties you're paying
> extra for... I also won't waste these finer spirits on my FIL
> because he requires the heavier-handed thugs (Ardbeg, Laphroaig,
> and Lagavulin) to make him enjoy the taste.

Give Dalwhinnie a try!

Peter Huebner wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > I've had some really good expensive
> > whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
> > Velvet.
>
> Seconded. I have tried a bunch of different whiskeys and none of them work for
> me. Black Velvet is about the only one I find remotely palatable. Heh.

You guys can't be serious. That is one of the worst. It is an example of the
benefits of crafty marketing, because it would never stand up on its own.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > IMHO, yeah. ;-)
> >
> > I never drink whiskey with water anyway!
> > I might pour it over just a little bit of crushed ice, then sip it.
> >
> > Slowly...
>
> There was episode on the Mary Tyler Moore show where Mr.Grant told mary how
> to
> drink Scotch. His advice was to get a nice glass, but some ice in it and add
> a
> hefty shot of Scotch. Then you swirl the whiskey around in the glass and have
> a
> sip, and you do that a few times, and when there is just enough ice melted
> into the
> whiskey you knock it back.
>

I never "knock back" booze...

IMHO what's the point?

If you want to just drink to get drunk, put a bottle of cheap vodka in
the freezer, freeze a few shotglasses, then go from there.....
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Peter Aitken" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > jw 1111 wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> > > >> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way
> not
> > > >> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?
> > > >
> > > > Only among the tiny minority of people who really
> > > > appreciate fine whiskey.
> > > >
> > > > How do you know which type you are? Compare regular
> > > > Crown Royal and (at twice the price) Crown Royal Special
> > > > Reserve. If the difference is barely perceptible,
> > > > fine whiskey is wasted on you. You'd be just as happy
> > > > with any good whiskey mixed with Coca-Cola or something.
> > >
> > > Bad idea. Canadian whiskey is the least interesting of all. It's like
> > > testing your taste for beer by comparing Bud and Miller. Scotch and
> bourbon,
> > > in that order, are vastly superior.
> >
> > Even Williams.
> >
> > Black Label. :-)
> > --
> > Peace, Om.
> >
>
> We sell a heck of a lot of both of those at our store, but I actually prefer
> Black Velvet and it's cheap whiskey. I've had some really good expensive
> whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
> Velvet. It's very buttery tasting. Oh, and I drink it straight.
>
> kili
>
>

That's been an area of debate for ages. :-)

Similar to wine.

For some reason, the more expensive the wine, the LESS I like it!
I drink Ballatoire champagne for a start, the spumante is very nice.
Beringer wines are excellent and on the upper end of inexpensive.
Almaden is not bad, neither is Carlo Rossi and it's CHEAP by the gallon.
I like their Sangria and Burgundy.

My favorite Merlot's come out of Austria.
"Falling star" is #1 for that. Nice fruity aftertaste and not quite as
tannic or dry as most merlot's.

There has been a growing number of Australian wines on the market here
lately. I've been impressed with most of them and they are priced in the
lower ranges.

For Tequila, well, the best I've had so far was a recent purchase of
Cuervo white tequila. Rich, only slightly smokey and without that overly
sweet carmelized tastes of the gold tequila. It was used for sipping and
a 750 ml. bottle lasted me 3 weeks as I savored it. It was $13.00.
Mid range price for Tequila at the moment.

As for whiskey, the one I truly dislike is Jack Daniels!!! Tastes like
creosote. :-P
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Peter Huebner wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > I've had some really good expensive
>> > whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
>> > Velvet.
>>
>> Seconded. I have tried a bunch of different whiskeys and none of them
>> work for
>> me. Black Velvet is about the only one I find remotely palatable. Heh.
>
> You guys can't be serious. That is one of the worst. It is an example of
> the
> benefits of crafty marketing, because it would never stand up on its own.
>

I think that Black Velvet is "whiskey for people who don't like whiskey."
Sort of the Budweiser of whiskeys.


--
Peter Aitken

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > IMHO, yeah. ;-)
>> >
>> > I never drink whiskey with water anyway!
>> > I might pour it over just a little bit of crushed ice, then sip it.
>> >
>> > Slowly...
>>
>> There was episode on the Mary Tyler Moore show where Mr.Grant told mary
>> how
>> to
>> drink Scotch. His advice was to get a nice glass, but some ice in it and
>> add
>> a
>> hefty shot of Scotch. Then you swirl the whiskey around in the glass and
>> have
>> a
>> sip, and you do that a few times, and when there is just enough ice
>> melted
>> into the
>> whiskey you knock it back.
>>
>
> I never "knock back" booze...
>
> IMHO what's the point?
>
> If you want to just drink to get drunk, put a bottle of cheap vodka in
> the freezer, freeze a few shotglasses, then go from there.....
> --

Precisely. Or drink one of the many mixed drinks or alco-pops that are
designed to completely hide the taste of the booze.

When I was young and didn't know any better, my dad gave me a dressing down
for mixing his Johnnie Walker Black Label with ginger ale.


--
Peter Aitken

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "kilikini" > wrote:
>
> > We sell a heck of a lot of both of those at our store, but I actually
prefer
> > Black Velvet and it's cheap whiskey. I've had some really good
expensive
> > whiskey, bourbon and Scotch, but for some reason, I prefer cheap Black
> > Velvet. It's very buttery tasting. Oh, and I drink it straight.
> >
> > kili
> >
> >
>
> That's been an area of debate for ages. :-)
>
> Similar to wine.
>
> For some reason, the more expensive the wine, the LESS I like it!
> I drink Ballatoire champagne for a start, the spumante is very nice.
> Beringer wines are excellent and on the upper end of inexpensive.
> Almaden is not bad, neither is Carlo Rossi and it's CHEAP by the gallon.
> I like their Sangria and Burgundy.
>
> My favorite Merlot's come out of Austria.
> "Falling star" is #1 for that. Nice fruity aftertaste and not quite as
> tannic or dry as most merlot's.
>
> There has been a growing number of Australian wines on the market here
> lately. I've been impressed with most of them and they are priced in the
> lower ranges.
>
> For Tequila, well, the best I've had so far was a recent purchase of
> Cuervo white tequila. Rich, only slightly smokey and without that overly
> sweet carmelized tastes of the gold tequila. It was used for sipping and
> a 750 ml. bottle lasted me 3 weeks as I savored it. It was $13.00.
> Mid range price for Tequila at the moment.
>
> As for whiskey, the one I truly dislike is Jack Daniels!!! Tastes like
> creosote. :-P
> --

Tastes like creosote! LOL. I don't care for Jack, Jim Beam, Evan Williams,
Crown Royal, Glenlivet, Johnny Walker or for tequila, Jose Cuervo. If I'm
going to drink tequila, I drink it straight and I do prefer Patron or
Sauza - not cheap tequila by any means! If I have a margarita, I don't care
what goes into it because you can't taste it anyway.

kili

In article >,
"kilikini" > wrote:

> > As for whiskey, the one I truly dislike is Jack Daniels!!! Tastes like
> > creosote. :-P
> > --
>
> Tastes like creosote! LOL. I don't care for Jack, Jim Beam, Evan Williams,
> Crown Royal, Glenlivet, Johnny Walker or for tequila, Jose Cuervo. If I'm
> going to drink tequila, I drink it straight and I do prefer Patron or
> Sauza - not cheap tequila by any means! If I have a margarita, I don't care
> what goes into it because you can't taste it anyway.

Uh, Sauza is cheaper than Cuervo... :-)
At least around here!

The cheapest Tequila is Montezuma.
It's good, but I use it mostly for Margaritas.
Orange extract, lime juice, and the mixer liquid is sugar free lemon
cool-aid to make it low carb! <G> It works.

I don't drink a lot of whisky. It's a bit too toxic IMHO.

Brandy or rum are generally mixed into sugar free hot cocoa, or cocoa
and coffee for a mocha drink with heavy cream. ;-d

My mainstay is Vodka, or Clear Springs diluted at the rate of 1 shot per
pint of liquid. <G>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

In article >,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Dave Smith > wrote:
> >
> >> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > IMHO, yeah. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > I never drink whiskey with water anyway!
> >> > I might pour it over just a little bit of crushed ice, then sip it.
> >> >
> >> > Slowly...
> >>
> >> There was episode on the Mary Tyler Moore show where Mr.Grant told mary
> >> how
> >> to
> >> drink Scotch. His advice was to get a nice glass, but some ice in it and
> >> add
> >> a
> >> hefty shot of Scotch. Then you swirl the whiskey around in the glass and
> >> have
> >> a
> >> sip, and you do that a few times, and when there is just enough ice
> >> melted
> >> into the
> >> whiskey you knock it back.
> >>
> >
> > I never "knock back" booze...
> >
> > IMHO what's the point?
> >
> > If you want to just drink to get drunk, put a bottle of cheap vodka in
> > the freezer, freeze a few shotglasses, then go from there.....
> > --
>
> Precisely. Or drink one of the many mixed drinks or alco-pops that are
> designed to completely hide the taste of the booze.

Ew! Too sweet! :-)

I'll mix my own cocktails thanks! <lol>

>
> When I was young and didn't know any better, my dad gave me a dressing down
> for mixing his Johnnie Walker Black Label with ginger ale.

ROFL!!!

We chewed out a friend of dad's one night when he knocked back a shot of
Irish Mist!!!

That stuff's powerful, delicious and EXPENSIVE!

It's what I buy when I splurge.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>
> We chewed out a friend of dad's one night when he knocked back a shot of
> Irish Mist!!!
>
> That stuff's powerful, delicious and EXPENSIVE!
>
> It's what I buy when I splurge.

I was not thrilled when some heavy drinking friends went through the best part of a
bottle of my Gran Marnier. I would not have minded it they had not been dumping it
in their coffee.

And what about Chivas regal? It is a good whisky and here is a bit expensive
in comparison with the others.
Cheers
pandora
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"Ophelia" > ha scritto nel messaggio
. uk...
>
> "The Ranger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:41:01 GMT, "jw 1111"
>> > replied:
>>> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky
>>
>> What type was it? That's rather important to help with your
>> follow-up.
>>
>>> and it was gently communicated to me that to mix
>>> it with any water would be in some way not lead
>>> to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted
>>> view?
>>
>> My FIL, of the older school of thought, feels that ice helps
>> smooth out the rough edges of scotch. He drinks JW Red Label as
>> his daily wind-down so, yeah, ice does help in this particular
>> case.
>>
>> I prefer Cardhu, Balvenie (double-wood), Bruichladdich 15,
>> Auchentoshan 3 wood, and Midleton Irish whiskey. Adding water or
>> chilling the contents takes away the subtleties you're paying
>> extra for... I also won't waste these finer spirits on my FIL
>> because he requires the heavier-handed thugs (Ardbeg, Laphroaig,
>> and Lagavulin) to make him enjoy the taste.
>
> Give Dalwhinnie a try!


>
>

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> >
> > We chewed out a friend of dad's one night when he knocked back a shot of
> > Irish Mist!!!
> >
> > That stuff's powerful, delicious and EXPENSIVE!
> >
> > It's what I buy when I splurge.
>
> I was not thrilled when some heavy drinking friends went through the best
> part of a
> bottle of my Gran Marnier. I would not have minded it they had not been
> dumping it
> in their coffee.
>
>

Oh lordy...

Didn't have any triple sec on hand to hand them eh?

We are nursing a very small bottle right now of Chambord......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

jw 1111 wrote:
> Hi, i was recently offered some very good whisky and it was gently
> communicated to me that to mix it with any water would be in some way not
> lead to its real appreciation. Is this a generally accepted view?

Yes and no (as has been mentioned). Here's the science:

Above about 70 proof, average tastebuds are affected by alcohol in an
adverse way, causing us to be unable to taste the liquor fully. The
solution is to get some water and add enough to dilute the liquor to
about 70 proof, or a tad less.

How-ever. This number is not cast in stone, and like many biologically
determined parameters may vary from person to person, situation to
situation, and time to time.

Therefore, I generally sip a new spirit first, then determine whether
it needs diluting.

I order it neat with a glass of ice on the side and nary a bartender
bats a wicket at me. Makes the process of getting water, if necessary,
take less time.

For most drams, one or two small ice cubes and a swirl is plenty; when
it reaches perfection, I can fish out the ice. I rarely do, though.
You can actually observe the whisk(e)y "open up" as the flavor profile
changes while the ice is melting, and in the end it's mild and smooth,
and you've had your period where it was "perfect" already, and you know
exactly what to aim for next time, if you like. (Temperature can also
affect flavor, so sometimes water is better than ice).

I've got a bottle of cask-strength Macallan (116-118 proof), and I
wouldn't dishonor it by trying to drink it straight, burning my tongue,
and tasting none of it.

Oh, and I've heard the best water to use is the same water that went
into the still with the mash. But who's got a hose running to Islay?
So the best bottled water you can find, will do. The best I can find
a 1) Hildon water, imported from England, and 2) the stuff that
comes from the local water store (living in Phoenix, I have a crock and
a stable of 3-gallon jugs that I refill every few weeks, because the
taps pour something closer to spackle than springwater).

Now you've made me thirsty at lunchtime on a weekday...

--Blair

Peter Aitken wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, yeah. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I never drink whiskey with water anyway!
>>>> I might pour it over just a little bit of crushed ice, then sip it.
>>>>
>>>> Slowly...
>>>
>>> There was episode on the Mary Tyler Moore show where Mr.Grant told
>>> mary how
>>> to
>>> drink Scotch. His advice was to get a nice glass, but some ice in
>>> it and add
>>> a
>>> hefty shot of Scotch. Then you swirl the whiskey around in the
>>> glass and have
>>> a
>>> sip, and you do that a few times, and when there is just enough ice
>>> melted
>>> into the
>>> whiskey you knock it back.
>>>
>>
>> I never "knock back" booze...
>>
>> IMHO what's the point?
>>
>> If you want to just drink to get drunk, put a bottle of cheap vodka
>> in the freezer, freeze a few shotglasses, then go from there.....
>> --
>
> Precisely. Or drink one of the many mixed drinks or alco-pops that are
> designed to completely hide the taste of the booze.
>
> When I was young and didn't know any better, my dad gave me a
> dressing down for mixing his Johnnie Walker Black Label with ginger
> ale.

Heheh, that's funny! My Scottish grandparents *always* added a splash of
ginger ale to their whisky. So did my mom. Come to think of it, so did my
friend Brian (aka "Scotty") and his brogue was as thick as they get!

I'm not a whisky fan but if I drink it, it's neat. No water, no ice. I
bought a nice Glen Ord single malt for my LLL a couple of years ago for his
birthday. That was some smooooooth whisky!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Heheh, that's funny! My Scottish grandparents *always* added a splash of
> ginger ale to their whisky. So did my mom. Come to think of it, so did my
> friend Brian (aka "Scotty") and his brogue was as thick as they get!

That's okay to do, but for peat's sake do it with the low-end product
from the good distillery.

If I saw someone doing that to a Macallan 25 I'd cry. I would.

> I'm not a whisky fan but if I drink it, it's neat. No water, no ice. I
> bought a nice Glen Ord single malt for my LLL a couple of years ago for his
> birthday. That was some smooooooth whisky!

There are sooo many whiskeys... and soooooo few non-"school" nights...

Actually, what I could go for is a shot of Tullamore Dew. Not because
it's special, but because I've never had it and it's bugging the hell
out of me that I never get it anywhere they have it.

--Blair
"Get it? 'Peat's sake'. Bartender!"